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Rob Neyer on Michael Young

Rob Neyer weighs in on the Michael Young situation, and has some cogent thoughts:

This situation has become a perfect storm of foolishness. Two years ago, the Rangers offered Young a five-year, $80 million contract covering the 2009-2013 seasons. This was foolish for a number of reasons. One, he was already under club control through 2008. Two, 2013 was (and still is) a long time away. And three, Young simply didn't project as an $80 million player. Not when considering his age and his limitations as a fielder. It was foolish when they did it and we said it was foolish and yet there it was (and still is) anyway.

 

Then came the biggest cherry on top in maybe the entire history of cherries on top: American League coaches and managers foolishly named Michael Young the best shortstop in the American League. Not an OK shortstop, nor a good shortstop. The best shortstop. This was also foolish when they did it (and we said it was foolish).

 

Add all this foolishness up and you may come to understand why Michael Young is upset.

* * *

I don't know who's primarily responsible for his contract. If general manager Jon Daniels thought this was a good idea, one might certainly question his judgment. If the contract has (as I suspect) owner Tom Hicks' fingerprints all over it, Daniels mostly deserves a pass (though a big part of a GM's job is convincing his bosses to avoid rank foolishness).

 

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How does this end, Adam?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 1:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dress Blues.

.38…any more questions?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice linkage, Adam.

Getting a link from ESPN. Our little man is moving into the big time.

*wipes a tear

by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's good he links them,

because I avoid that shithole like the plague.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, JD does not get a pass for extending

Young. This is his baby all the way.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heh. lol

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

Email Rob Neyer and tell him.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 12, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Adam,

do you think JD gets a pass on this one?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh? He's congratulating AJM on getting a shoutout from Neyer on the ESPN blog.

And Neyer’s not bad.

I always liked him.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Neyer.

I just abhor espn, in all forms.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rob Neyer is greatness.

Used to be some kind of assistant for the Great Bill James.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i can't imagine you and Rob Neyer agree on anything

perhaps you need to be locked in a room with bill james and rob neyer

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

neyer has no idea whose 'fingerprints' is on this contract

and he should realize it wasn’t that SIMPLE of an answer when it came to extending MY. There were a lot more factors involved and he should go read through some of Jamey’s reports right after the extension to educate himself on the reasoning behind it…

Neyer is sounding like an absolute tool in that last paragraph…

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The bottom line is

Locking in to a long term, over market contract to a player based on what he has done for you in the past is monumentally, unbelievably stupid. That this stupid franchise made that move isn’t at all surprising.

Its even more absurd of a move when you are becoming one of the low budget franchises.

Let’s face it, when it comes to the major league roster, JD has been pretty bad.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I do believe DJCahill and myself actually have room for agreement in this world.

I love the minor league system the Rangers have but it takes much more than that to build a consistent winning major league team. There are so many difficult decisions that GMs are required to make along the way.

Making the decision whether or not to extend MYoung when you have a small market payroll is a slam-dunk (you trade him JD) and it’s exactly why I’m more than a little pessimistic with JD having any input with this thing going forward.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My take

Singing him to a contract two years before it kicks-in was foolish. Technically, he won’t begin to be on that five-year extension until the 1st paycheck of the 2009 season is direct deposited into his bank account.

by faketeams on Jan 12, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No I dont think he sounds like a fool

You can make excuses about all the factors and complications involved but is the job of a GM and the responsibility of a smart owner to look past those and understand the long-term ramifications of such a substantial commitment. If the MY contract was acquiesced to under the pressure all of these ‘factors’ and without due consideration of what it does over the long haul, it only makes the front office look less competent.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, i think that's where the bonus and deferred money comes in

i don’t think 5 years and a bout 60MM is THAT bad of a deal here on out. i mean, it’s kinda bad, but not as bad as some people make it out to be, but i think that is the case because people like Olney and Neyer think that there is 80MM left not 60MM…i wish we could get clarification on this from someone on the Rangers…

Okay, PECOTA has him for about 35MM for the next 5 years…60 is bad, but not 80 BAD.

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think that mitigates it much

Its like saying that because we have 0 years/0 mil left on the second Gonzo deal it wasnt a bad deal. At the time it was signed we agreed to pay MY 80 mil for 5 years of service. I just dont see how you can think that as anything but foolish. A lot of casual fans (probably even me and many LSBers included) were happy with it, but the front office is supposed to have a keener insight into things than the average fan.

I do think if its 5/60 then that changes the trade landscape for MY. But it doesnt mean the original contract wasnt in the very least naive and probably foolish.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC...

…I voted “OK Deal” on the Young extension. But then again, if I had known that he would be adamantly refusing to play third base, I don’t think I would have thought that.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha i actually came across that a day or two ago

i dont know if it was just that no one predicted MY having such a steep decline or that LSBers have gotten smarter – my guess is a little of both. But I think it just proves that the will of the fanbase isnt always right. Maybe JD felt like his hands were tied but eesh you have to hope he is shrewder about doling out extensions in the future.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure

I was one of 23 voters in that poll.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

It’s shocking, huh :)

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No question that the deal was foolish.

I think where the debate is currently is that you have some of us saying the deal is not nearly the hinderance to a trade because there is only $60m left to actually be paid instead of $80m. It’s still not a great contract in terms of trade value, but it is certainly less onerous thanks to the bonus money already paid.

by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i absolutely get that, and its a valid point

thats not the issue longhorn brought up in his original post though.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 12, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that even accurate?

According to what I understand is the leading site on contracts there is no mention of 20M all ready been paid.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/texas-rangers.html

by gr7070 on Jan 12, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Forgive my ignorance, but what issues are you talking about?

I seriously don’t remember the report you reference here.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the search function over at Jamey’s site is pretty easy…

http://newbergreport.com/article1.asp

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jamey defending the MY signing at the time

with fan based reasoning. Whoulda thunk it.

Personally, I’ve always been fairly happy that Jamey is a fan who writes a newsletter rather than the GM.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

classic.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Jan 12, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, thanks.

You could’ve just told me what you were talking about instead of being rude, but, okay.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

didn't mean to be rude.

just saying, the search function over there is pretty nice…first time I’ve used it. Worked out well…

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, sorry. Shouldn't have jumped down your throat. But would you mind clarifying for me why you said this:
neyer has no idea whose ‘fingerprints’ is on this contract and he should realize it wasn’t that SIMPLE of an answer when it came to extending MY. There were a lot more factors involved and he should go read through some of Jamey’s reports right after the extension to educate himself on the reasoning behind it…

Neyer is sounding like an absolute tool in that last paragraph…

What are you implying regarding the reasoning for signing him to that extension?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fingerprints

The fingerprints all over that contract are John Hart’s.

by JBImaknee on Jan 12, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To quote John Cusack

Rob: That pretty much brings us up to date… Who needs a drink?

Its time...

by PM Productions on Jan 12, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

BAD Radio now discussing the Young situation.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

BAD Radio

says this is more about the $ 80 million owed Young than it is improving the defense of the team.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say both.

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BAD Radio says that no other Ranger

besides Pudge had the popularity of Young yet they made it known that “Pudge won’t work with pitchers” and then let him go. Rangers said he got the wake-up call after going to Florida.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ben and Skin hammering MY.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm really trying to give 105.3 a chance.

The Ticket is kind of “inclusive,” if that makes sense. If you don’t listen a whole lot, you’ll be pretty lost most of the time with the bits.

103.3 is my standby, but I’m interested to try 105.3. And so far, I like Ben and Skin.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

B&S

have been much much better since moving to 105.3

We’ll see how much they keep talking Rangers in January when the ratings come in.

There’s a reason all the stations are all cowboys all the time.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a third segment i love it

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 and then Jamey.

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

B&S are very good

but 105.3 is owned by the Rangers and I’m bracing for a management pov.

Just sayin’!

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindman comes in very pro-management (shocking)

and doesn’t address whether or not Andrus is ready for The Show.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they are coming back

for another segment, don’t worry.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's been on for eight minutes.

AND MIKE HINDMAN IS PAID BY THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, ONE OF THE MOST ANTI-HICKS ENTITIES IN EXISTENCE.

Sweet merciful Flying Spaghetti Monster, are you hearing yourself?

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Reading Hindman's take in the DMN

and listening to him on B&S does nothing to dissuade my stance that he’s a stooge for Ranger management.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And reading your comments on this blog...

…does nothing to dissuade my stances that you are exceptionally anti-JD in every instance, regardless of contrary evidence presented to you.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked the Padilla trading

and extension.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that is convincing.

You mention one thing (that happened years ago!) after you are challenged. I am totally convinced that you are not a stooge for the anti-JD lobby.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Milton Bradley worked out well in the beginning

but ended up being a problem.

Marlon Byrd had some use.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

being a problem

wha?

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't play when they needed him

and it became a problem, shit for brains.

Am I going to fast?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, you're not going "to" fast.

You’re just “to” misguided in your logic.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pulled over by a grammar cop

when there is no edit button available.

you got me.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Awful touchy for someone who is resorting to name-calling.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

Wear it!

Just doesn’t pay to play that game, does it?

by jasonhh on Jan 12, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

couldn't play when they needed him

when exactly was that? they didn’t have suitable replacements? wasn’t boggs available?

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+Juan!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+REC

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the stooge for Ranger management

that still blasts the Danks deal any chance he gets.

dumbass

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He did more than just trash it

I can’t think of anyone that was more against that trade at the time it happened. Talking to Mike about that trade being good makes Josey’s crap sound like the company line.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There ain't a damn thing in the world

that would dissuade you from being trashing the Rangers front office on every subject. Say what you want about giving JD credit for the good moves, but those subjects are ones you won’t ever talk about for the specific reason that you really have absolutely nothing to bash Ranger management about. Though that doesn’t always stop you – see Kenny Lofton signing/playing/trade

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Lofton signing was a joke if he was supposed

to help the team make it to post-season.

The trade has a chance to help the big club.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know

I remember his contract actually specifically said, “you’re only goal is to take the Rangers to the playoffs single handedly”.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think a 303/380/438 line would help a club get to the playoffs?

I don’t care how old you are if thats what you get from your CF/leadoff man along with 40+ steals (thats what his pace was) and good defense you have one good piece to the puzzle

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jan 12, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Josey,

I guess it’s better to be a stooge for the Rangers than just a stooge like you have been. So, were you glad that the Rangers re-signed Young or not? I can imagine the things you would have had to say had the Rangers let MY walk after this season.

How much extension should the Rangers give to Hank now?

Your views change depending on what appears to be more anti-JD. It really makes you look inconsistent.

by Redcaps on Jan 12, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nice reference

to the FSM…I like it!

"For those booing me. Take that, beeep." - Ramon Vazquez

by 8legs2fangs on Jan 12, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

um

I think the word you want is exclusive

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...

…although that’s not really the idea I was trying to get across. But whatever. You know what I mean.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

actually

i think the word most appropriate is exclusionary

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody get me my thesaurus!

:)

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Michael Young's ego seems to be out of control right now."

-Ben

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

trying to stream both...

BaD radio didn’t say much at all. B&S have a few more segments it sounds like.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BAD Radio says that we can

expect to receive a couple of more “Baseball America prospects” for Young and then proceeded to chastize the Rangers (Bob) “C’mon, you’re better than that” (Dan) “Are they?”

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, and they mentioned if we get those prospects

we can be the best farm system in baseball. Um…we are already most likely going to be ranked #1 in all of baseball.

I don’t know what MY’s trade value is to bring 2 top prospects

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hold up

did i just here a 281 number for there show??

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*hear

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, that too

my English is horrible, i have no problem saying that here…

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!

That was like a skit…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BaD Radio sucked in their description

of the MY situation.

they aren’t forcing MY to leave, they want him to play freakin’ 3B. MY requested to leave. And, why would the Rangers leak this story? That would be the worst thing since that lowers his trade value. Ridiculous. Morons

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 2:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Next Topic for B&S

If MY is willing to move to 2B with another team, does this put pressure on Kinsler to say, ‘Hey, I’ll move to 3B to keep my buddy here’.

I say, heck no! MY doesn’t need to play anywhere in the middle (even though that’s where his bat fits). He needs to play 3B.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

do what your boss tells you to do.

you’re getting paid a ridiculous amount of money. and, like they said, “I think 80Million dollars shows alot of respect.”

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers don't want Young at 2B

because that means his contract is still on the payroll.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, because

that means the team is not better on the field.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindman says Young

was dramatically overpaid acting as though it is his fault.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, that means

that Young doesn’t have a leg to stand on if he feels the organization doesn’t appreciate him.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of what I've wondered

Young was a better secondbaseman than Kinsler is, and would probably be equivalent to Kinsler now, if not better. I wonder is they they considered moving Kinsler to third.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MY's last year as a 2B

he wasn’t very good. Still probably better than Kinsler, but still not much defensively.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Jan 12, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

But Young has actually been good at second base at one point in his career, so there is the possibility that he could be a decent secondbaseman again. I’m not sure Kinsler has ever posted an above average season at second, although I could be mistaken.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Jan 12, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What are Young's strengths as a fielder?

He has a strong arm and he does a good job of fielding what is hit near him. The arm thing goes down the crapper at 2B and you still suffer from the lack of range. Young wouldn’t be magically awesome at 2B if he played there again while he could be pretty good at 3B.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In 2007. . .

. . . Kinsler was 7 plays above average in +/-. And this season was about on par with Young’s last season at second.

Kinsler has a ton more range and is younger, to boot. I would much, much, much rather have Kinz at 2nd than MY.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler

He was also the second-worst second baseman in baseball last season, accoring to +/-.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Jan 12, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Of course, that being having a large enough sample at the position to have garnered the second largest +/-, but I know what you mean.

Point still stands.

by philkid3 on Jan 12, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindman now says

that Young has basically told Andrus “We don’t want you here.”

I’m not making this shit up. Unbelievable.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hindman

is also saying some positive things about Young, it’s funny how you’re not hurrying to post those.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindman is ripping his ass.

He just called him selfish.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You think Young

is being magnanamous?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think both parties

have a hidden agenda.

Young wants out of this freaking joke of a franchise and the Rangers, 22 months after giving him this contract (and two months before it is supposed to start) want out of the deal.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you think it's a joke of a franchise...

…go follow someone else. You’re entitled to your opinion, but nobody’s forcing you to be a fan.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We are the Sacramento Kings of major league baseball

sans the Chris Webber years.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you show the Rangers #1 ranked farm system

in Sacramento terms?

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HEY MAN!

ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE SHOW! THE SHOW! THE SHOW!

Nevermind that later this season and in 2010, when the farm system starts yielding benefits, Josey will be long gone, with all of his busted theories.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not going to work man

Josey feeds off this stuff. The harder we are on Young, the more he fills the comment section with anti-management propaganda….

by jcir454 on Jan 12, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they asked him to play 3B

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Enough with the namedropping, Hindman

“I sat down with JD last September”

“I met Michael Young when he first came up”

“Jerry Narron told me he went to the fence for this guy”

A management stooge looking for a few good pats on the head from the organization.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jealousy is so

becoming…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather here AJM or Jamey talking w/ Ben and Skin

I’ll say that.

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindman now cites decline of Young

and pretty much dismisses the notion that his broken fingers had anything to do with last year’s numbers.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He never mentioned the fingers.

So, uh, what?

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Young has been declining for the last few years

not just last year

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you think young will get better?

well you and rob neyer and probably bill james have somethign to disagree about.

and nolan ryan.

doesn’t it suck for all your heroes to disagree with you?

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindman just said MY would be Bill Mueller if he moved to 3b

stooge my ass.

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you hate Hindman?

He does talk with all of these people, and if they see him they recognize his face and say hi. I don’t see that as name dropping.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they're also saying this is an aborration for MY to act like this

he’s always been a standup guy

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Their stream

must be way behind OTA…I’m on a debt settlement commercial.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm listening live to radio

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I figured...I'll have to

turn my radio back on for Why Today Doesn’t Suck, though.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a third segment coming up on 105.3 about rangers

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gaaah!

I’m so torn…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is decent analysis here

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WTDS

happens everyday. 1 hour straight of Rangers talk on DFW radio never happens.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+infinity

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A-freakin'-men.

Ben and Skin are currently growing on me.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bring on jamey tomorrow

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

at 3:25 today.

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious?

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, very true.

< wieghs options >

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah this is great.

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"is there an I in I won't play Third base"

Amazing!!!!!!!

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ben?

is that you?

by mjh on Jan 12, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Enjoyed your appearance, MJH.

Don’t mind the trolls.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I miss the Ben & Skin crazyfest free-for-all

on Saturday mornings on the Ticket.

FireAntsPants that, Biotch!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing!

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

heh

I just posted that on the Monday AM thread.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

wow, thats scary

by laxtonto on Jan 12, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it was my first thought too

but I know you’ve bitched and moaned about making the drive from plano or whatever to the ballpark to watch that steaming pile so, I knew you wouldn’t be in ft worth.

That, and I know you don’t have the balls to call up and ask Hindman why he is a stooge for management.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not Gary either.

Not enough of a redneck accent.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, the current caller is an idiot.

Guarantees we’ll be a 60-win team for the next 5 years.

by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That's the Outlaw's thinking for you

Getting nearly 100 million dollars from a team for a little over 10 years of work means that the player is now bigger than the team.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hindman on Andrus

“He’s not going to come in and set the house on fire…but he is the kind of guy that if you look at his profile, he grows with experience.”

So there goes Josey’s argument that Hindman wouldn’t say that Andrus isn’t ready.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

4th segment WOOT!

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 2:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ben and Skin just stole my heart.

Reminder: it’s Jan. 12.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah this is great

only problem is — what happens when there’s not a controversy? We’ll be relegated to Pacman talk again.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...this mancrush has a "pending" on it.

But if they bring the goods come Spring Training time, I’m sold.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Woah, I just got the Mueller statement.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ken Rosenthal WOW!

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, B&S maybe be finding its niche. Holy crap.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe be?

I picked a hell of a day to quit sniffing glue.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

?

?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ken Rosenthal on Ben and Skin currently.

Un-teased, un-foreseen.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Suh-weet!

I’ll hang for that, for true!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

really nice

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Un-teased, un-foreseen,

& unforeskinned?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

didn't see that coming

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy shit

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

?

?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno, I'm streaming.

I’m all behind the convo

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rosenthal

“The market for Young is better at second base.”

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

wow rosenthal, hindman, newberg ALL on ben and skin?

wowwww

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 3:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

so what happens when he pulls a raffy

gets traded and veto’es it?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I admit

that I have not read all the comments…. but……

When MY says he is willing to play 2nd base is he trying to throw Ian kinsler under the bus.

I have nothing to say

by rldwb on Jan 12, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

well

he said he’d play 2nd base for another team. I think he specifically didn’t want to throw Kinsler under the bus by saying it.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Young in the past 24 hours has

-crapped on the Rangers franchise
-crapped on Andrus
-crapped on Kinsler

I can’t wait to see where he goes with this next.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2 Girls,

and a Cup?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

rec

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How?

How has he crapped on Kinsler?

by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't crap on Andrus either.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he did a little

he’s saying that andrus’s defense is not enough to warrant moving.

BTW, it is.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he would play 2nd elsewhere

you would have to assume he would play 2nd here, in other words move Kinsler. Why would he bring it up if that was not his intention

I have nothing to say

by rldwb on Jan 12, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're not understanding

He doesn’t want to move Kinsler off of 2nd.

He wants to get traded.

He’s letting teams know that he’ll move to 2nd to facilitate the trade.

Besides, he knows that the Rangers aren’t going to consider moving Kinsler anyway

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not

ab’s probably just reading what’s been written, which is that MY said he’d be willing to move to 2nd if traded.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jan 12, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I know it’s not their plan A or B, but I’d have to think moving Kinsler to 3rd and Young to 2nd has at least crossed their minds, especially if Young continues to selfishly hold the line about moving to 3rd.

by jcir454 on Jan 12, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well

I hope someone has nixed it

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's an odd assumption

He never said he would like to play second here but that he would somewhere else. Somehow that’s a shot a Kinsler?

Couldn’t it also be looked at as a compliment to Kinlser?

by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If you state that you will play 2nd base

it is fair to assume that means here as well.

I have nothing to say

by rldwb on Jan 12, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No,

he’s pissed, he wants out, and saying that he’s open to playing 2nd gives him more options to be traded.

by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok I agree to disagree

I think he is selfish and immature or is afraid he is not good enough to play 3rd.

I have nothing to say

by rldwb on Jan 12, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that

I just don’t think he was taking a shot at Kinsler.

by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well dropping his no trade clause for anyone would do a hell of a lot more

to help his cause of being traded. And if he’s saying he’s open to play 2B, does that mean that if the Rangers ask him to play 2B next year instead of SS, he’ll still refuse? What’s he going to say then, that he is only a SS for the Rangers but he’ll be a SS or a 2B for someone else?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

at that point

it is at least admirable that he’ll refuse. If Kinsler says that he’s opposed at all, he’d probably side with Kinsler

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 12, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With what Young has said

Do you really think he is viewing this situation as anything other than what he wants to do? I don’t think Young right now is considering Kinsler’s opinion on where he (Kinsler) will play.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He did say

he sought the advice of teammates. There’s a better than 0 chance that Kinsler was one of them…

by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He sought advice

on whether he should move to 3B. Imagine that you are in Young’s situation and you are bitching to your friends about how you hate the thought of moving to third base. Do you really think your friends are going to tell you to do what management thinks is best?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

but you said

I don’t think Young right now is considering Kinsler’s opinion on where he (Kinsler) will play

by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look,

I’m not MY so I don’t really know, but I think he brought up playing second base to create additional interest in him in the market. Now not knowing MY, I think it’s safe to say that if he had a choice he wants to play SS. If playing 2nd base gets him out of here, then he’ll do it. Otherwise, I don’t beleive would like playing 2nd any more than he would like palying 3rd for the Rangers.

The Rangers have hurt his little SS feelings, so he will not be happy unless he is gone or at the position with the Rangers.

by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's not really crapping on him

but he is willing to move to 2B elsewhere and that puts pressure on Kinsler to try to volunteer moving to 3rd base which is pretty much the same thing Soriano did when he came here.

And Young has said that he isn’t moving for some prospect and has basically spit on the notion that Andrus can be worth anything.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Young said he wasn't moving to 3B.

He didn’t say anything about not moving for a prospect.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why else would he move?

I know putting 2 and 2 together can be exceedingly difficult for some at times, but that is why he needs to move, and everyone knows it.

by FuturePants on Jan 12, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For Josey

2+2= Boy Blunder

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2+2

- Team needing Young to move for a variety of reasons, I suspect a combination of Andrus and his shoddy defense.

- Young hearing he is being asked to move, assumes it is for Andrus.

- Young ripping Andrus to the media.

You end up with a player who feels he is being brushed aside for a AA prospect and doesn’t want to.

by FuturePants on Jan 12, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the Rangers are far from enamored with other 3B options.

At least, they don’t see a “championship-caliber” 3B option immediately available, except Young.

Go Rangers!

by rooster on Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like Rosenthal thinks

MY won’t be traded. IMo.

"And the Rangers looking to win it! The Rangers have won it!"
-- Josh Lewin, Sept 23, 2004

by Agreen07 on Jan 12, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yep.

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's the vibe I'm getting.

It’s too hard to trade him. Thinks that when push comes to shove, when he can’t be traded, he’ll go to third.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We’ll just be left with all the rosy, warm feelings of this entire deal for the rest of his time here. Which might be good, this could put an end to some of the insane hero-worship in the media.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno

when he started talking Smoltz and Hoffman – he sounded like it might be best for everyone if a deal happens eventually. This may be tough to turn into water under the bridge.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Water under the bridge"

The Rangers are doing a good job here so far of not publicly trashing Young or doing anything that publicly hurts their relationship with Young. Young right now is the only one damaging his image and if he ends up changing his mind and plays 3B, he can recover from it. If he still feels that way come ST, things are going to be a bit different.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i wish this would lead to MY getting boo'ed at BPiA on opening day.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If these guys will become the Rangers and Mavs gurus

they’ll have a tremendous following. Cowboys rule every other show in the metroplex. Make these two teams your bread and butter and you’ll pull a great deal of their fans over time.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yep

I’d listen alot more if that was the case for sure. I don’t mind cowboys talk in cowboys season. But, I don’t need 3 hours on minicamps in July.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely.

There is a niche for them if they want to become the authorities on Mavs/Rangers/Stars (though The Ticket is big on the Stars).

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

When you say The Ticket is big on the Stars

you just mean Bob and Dan right? There is rarely ever Stars talk on any other show.

by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's what I mean.

But, for example, 103.3 has exactly no Stars presence.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They already are the Mavs gurus.

They hosted the post-game on the Ticket for 2 years or so.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i recognize that...

securing a Rangers base makes them ‘Rangers and Mavs gurus’

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Jan 12, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They always talked a lot of Rangers

on the Ticket, before the change over. It looks to me like they are sticking with their personal likes.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rosenthal

saying its 60-62 million owed to Young

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Scary that Rosenthal says trade is the best option for both sides

interesting…

So I guess he is a shill for the Rangers as well?

by laxtonto on Jan 12, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No. Get it right!
He’s a stooge for Ranger management.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think a trade is the best for all concerned as

well and I’m hardly a stooge for management.

Interesting how Hindman wonders about how much damage Young has done to the clubhouse.

My guess is none.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 12, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why is that interesting?

It’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 12, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Listen

To Josey, you’re only a stooge or mouthpiece for management if you disagree with Josey Wales.

by FuturePants on Jan 12, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're more like a stool

for management.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 12, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

B&S moving on to Pacman briefly before Jamey.

Still…wow. As much as we rip on sports radio for not paying attention to the Rangers, you’ve got to give them credit when they do commit time and effort to them. And B&S definitely have done that.

A+, and they’ve earned at least one or two more days of my listenership.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeah I have to admit Istopped listent to local sportsradio becasue

of the lack of Rangers, MAvs and Stars input and overuse of drops and non sports content.

I guess I will listen a little more now

by laxtonto on Jan 12, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OT: How long until LSB crashes

over all this MY talk today?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

105.3

that hour of radio was really good. I’d never listened to them before, but there was a lot of good discusion and then a surprise visit from Rosenthal.

by Randy Richardson on Jan 12, 2009 3:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

that was my first time listening to the fan

and it was a hit with me. B&S have earned a big chunk of Ranger respect

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You know who I really want to hear from?

Evan Grant. I really wish we still had him as a source for Ranger talk.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Fuck Michael Young" -Coolaid

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 12, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No shiz...

I looked around for some news on him earlier…the most recent thing I found was Dec. 12.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 12, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to think that the DMN killed him

and this whole moving to the Cowboys thing is a cover up for that.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I'm kinda glad Evan isn't here for this one

After the way Evan played up the GG thing? He’d probably be telling us how insane the Rangers asking this of MY is, because of the GG, and how Andrus isn’t ready yet, and how they’ve asked him to change positions in the past, ext, ext.

I love nealry everything about Evan except him MY homerism.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And yes

I set a new record for how fast I could type a sentence on that last one.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing I loved about having Evan

was that he would actually talk with fans. He wouldn’t just be posting articles and writing on his blog, he would be responding to a fan’s question. Durrett and Wilson are the only 2 that have been talking with Young on this and I don’t expect to see them around here anytime soon shedding any new light on this.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well offiically we do...

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's Jamey.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Adam

when’s the next podcast?

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i never

thought that the Rangers would actually ask him to move but they did and im glad they did. So get rid of Young for a third baseman. sign sheets. have andrus up here in the middle of ’09 then win the WS in ’10. its so simple… :)

by Stevoo on Jan 12, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

from JD
“Obviously, Michael took issue with the word choice that I used, but I also wanted to put it honestly,” Daniels said. "Clearly this was the direction we felt we needed to go. Rather than sugarcoat it, I thought it was the best course of action to be honest and lay it out the way we wanted it to happen.

“I completely understand his sentiments, but I don’t agree with the term that we’re tearing his job away from him. If anything, we’re asking him to take on a more prominent role. Not necessarily moving from short to third — you can argue that either way. We’re asking him not only to play third base but also help a 20-year-old shortstop who could benefit from his experience and knowledge of the game. That’s a big reason why we think it will work.”

x

by Longhorn on Jan 12, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Of particular interest is this part:

We’re asking him not only to play third base but also help a 20-year-old shortstop who could benefit from his experience and knowledge of the game. That’s a big reason why we think it will work.

That’s a pretty strong endorsement of Mike Young the player and team leader. If Young stays on his present course, his reputation as THAT guy is simply gone. And that would be a huge stain on an otherwise strong reputation.

by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

imho

his rep is shot

if hes with the rangers i hope he gets boo’ed on opening day.

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

If MY comes out in a couple of weeks and says he has reconsidered, blah, blah best for team, blah, blah, no “I” in team, blah, blah dogpile on mound, blah, blah, blah, all will be forgiven

by BEW on Jan 12, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does it have to happen

in a couple weeks or just sometime before ST?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year

by RangerMad on Jan 12, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he still has to spend some time this offseason learning the position

But from the fanbase’s POV, I don’t think it matters when it happens, just as long as it does. Like the fanpost over on the right points out, a lot of casual Ranger fans are on MY’s side here.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Casual being the key word

Casual = have no clue

I have nothing to say

by rldwb on Jan 12, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, and unfortunately

Casual also = majority.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently JD should treat Young like a little kid

Young kept saying that he wish he was asked or whatever and basically wanted JD to lie to him and try to sugar coat things. Same on you Jon Daniels, for treating an adult like an adult.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 12, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yah, nice little passive agressive dig at FFace for being a petulant little vagina boy mcgee.

What a little sandy vagina he is.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you come up with this shit?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 12, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Deliberately over the top would have been my description

I think Dirk is flashing back to MY burning CJ on the clubhouse politics deal last year.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 12, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm a pretty weird dude.

And right now I don’t think very much of Michael Freaking Young.

I hope he, David Stern and Dwyade all go out this weekend and rent a party boat in the Gulf of Mexico. And then, Oh my God! Noooo! Engine trouble! And we’re caught in the middle of this sudden hurricane! And our radio doesn’t work! Nooooooooooo!!!!

The 40 Trumps All!!!

I don‘t know you who you are. I don‘t know what you want. If you‘re looking for me to be a man and move to third base for the good of the team, I can tell you, I don't have man parts. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills acquired over a very long career of secretly being a pretty huge douche. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you trade me now, that will be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don‘t, I will look for you, I will find you. And I will throw a gigantic hissy fit in the media.

by thedirkatron on Jan 13, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nice quote

Those sentiments make me hopeful that this debacle can be salvaged.

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Jan 12, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

again

here is my question

if hes willing to play 2b, but not 3b…does that mean he doesnt think he can cut it?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 12, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think there's something about the two MIF positions versus a CIF position. People look at the two MIF positions as being more closley related and more skill position-y, right or wrong.

Or that’s my impression, anyway.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

"You're gonna regret this the rest of your life. Both seconds of it." -Sylvester Stallone as John Spartan, A.K.A, "The Demolition Man", right before he beats a guy to death with a stick.

by thedirkatron on Jan 12, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

1 hr, 36 min on the Rangers.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 12, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

amen to that!

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 12, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Galloway is about to address the issue.

That ought to be some entertaining ranting.

On a side note, he just said his HOF ballot was Henderson, Rice, Dawson, Blyleven, and Raines. I’m glad to hear that.

by Athos on Jan 12, 2009 4:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

LSB HERESY!!! Take it back!

“I don’t know who’s primarily responsible for his contract. If general manager Jon Daniels thought this was a good idea, one might certainly question his judgment. If the contract has (as I suspect) owner Tom Hicks’ fingerprints all over it, Daniels mostly deserves a pass (though a big part of a GM’s job is convincing his bosses to avoid rank foolishness).”

I'm just killing time until I'm reincarnated.

by Clueless on Jan 13, 2009 5:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJI_m6gzNc

You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader

by iorange555 on Jan 13, 2009 10:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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