Friday morning stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 16, 2009 10:54 AM CST
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PrintWell, crisis averted. Michael Young is playing third base next season. He's not happy about it, but he's doing it.
Evan Grant has a blog entry at the DMN up, saying that, maybe, no one was wrong in this situation. The Rangers handled the situation as best as could reasonably be done, Young reacted like a player with pride in his ability, and at the end of the day, it all worked out.
Grant also notes that this has been a polarizing event, with the local response being (mostly) to rip management and the national response being (mostly) to rip Young. I think that displays the difference in perception of Young and, to an extent, Jon Daniels, on a local and national level. Young is perceived locally as a superstar Gold Glove shortstop who is the best thing about the Rangers, while he's perceived nationally as a good, not great, player with defensive issues and a bad contract. Daniels, meanwhile, is perceived locally as a buffoon who should go back to working at Dunkin' Donuts, while he's perceived nationally as a g.m. with a mixed track record, who has made a couple of terrible moves but has also done an excellent job rebuilding the team's farm system and setting the team up to succeed long-term.
Jim Reeves says those of us (and I say "us" because he includes "bloggers" in the list) who have defended the organization on this -- and he is clear that there are "very few" of us, in case anyone is under the misperception that it is anyone other than the wack-job fringe that doesn't think Daniels screwed up and should be fired over this -- just don't get it, because we haven't talked to Michael Young and don't understand how the issue is the lack of respect the Rangers showed Young.
The problem is, according to Reeves, the only proper way to approach Young would have been to go to him and give him the choice of moving to third base, and if he didn't want to do that, the team should have just let him stay at shortstop however long he wanted. That's a stupid argument.
Jeff Wilson has a bunch of quotes from Young at the S-T blog.
And in case anyone is interested, Jean-Jacques Taylor also piles on on the "Daniels blew it" theme.
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JJT
With the new sports reporting changes in the metroplex, does that mean JJT will stop commenting on the Rangers?
No, that means he is one of the few
that will still write about the rangers, but he is a columnist and not a beat writer. S-T is carrying the ranger info. DMN won’t.
Wait 'til the year after next
nevermind, thought JJT was with S-T
he is a columnist, so he can still write his crap without any knowledge or anything based in reality
Wait 'til the year after next
Reeves
it’s not about another money-grubbing player. This is Michael Young, for heaven’s sake. He’s got his money already and will be paid no matter what.
Umm, yeah. Maybe that’s exactly why he thinks he’s running this show.
And there are others who were born with the wisdom to know that nothing lasts.
These are the truly tough among us, the ones who can live without illusion, or without even the hope of illusion.
I am not that grown-up or up-to-date. I am a simpler creature, tied to more primitive patterns and cycles.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
Is there some way we could deport Reeves and JJT to one of those leper islands?
Do they still even have those leper islands?
Cause if so I say we start an online petition today.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
Only still functioning leper colony
in the US is in Southern Lousiana I believe….
That is not far enough away for my tastes
Ask Tebow
or if we need to know where the African orphans are, he has the market cornered on that too, according to the FOX broadcast team
I thought they were literally just going to cut to a picture of his penis at some point during that broadcast.
The Tebow handjoberry was that out of hand.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 16, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
had to make you cringe or laugh...
depending on your perspective when they wax eloquent about what a special kid he is with Christian values and then once the game is in hand he starts to taunt the OU defense. Classy move Tebow.
listening to the comments on Tebow
I thought, “this dude is scoreboarding Jesus himself”.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Now that I know JJT stands
I can finally get some sleep at night.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 16, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions
Wait for it. Waaait. Here it comes. It's almost here
The good news is Nolan Ryan managed to clean up most of Daniels’ mess.
BOOOM. Nailed it.
I was close:
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/1/15/725236/my-to-play-third#
And there are others who were born with the wisdom to know that nothing lasts.
These are the truly tough among us, the ones who can live without illusion, or without even the hope of illusion.
I am not that grown-up or up-to-date. I am a simpler creature, tied to more primitive patterns and cycles.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
Thoughts from Kinsler :
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/thoughts-from-ian-kinsler-1.html
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
x
Your thoughts on Michael Young’s decision.
I’m just happy it’s all over with. I’m happy they can stop with the drama and the fans worrying about what’s best for this team. Michael knows what’s best now. He’s swallowed a tough pill and is ready to be an All-Star third baseman.
I just thought it was important to get it done as soon as possible so Mike could get his mind right, so Andrus can know what he has in store for him in spring training and the rest of the team knows who our third baseman is going to be. We know we have a third baseman and that’s big for the club. Michael is ready to move on so the rest of us are ready to move on.
How are you feeling?
I’m 100 percent and ready to go. I’ve been going hard. A lot of running, a lot of heavy lifting. Everything is great.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 16, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds good.
I’m skeptical Kinz can replicate last season’s ridiculousness, but I think he’s gonna be pretty darn good again this year.
I’m excited to see what he can do this year.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 16, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Mendoza Line
I have to admit, I’m pretty shocked how frequently and vocal the Pro-Management theme has been at LSB.
I love JD, the Blue Print, but, am I shocked M-Y took the this news hard? Being replaced by a AA Short Stop who will probably hit .220?
Will all you vocal people be supportive of Elvis when he’s hitting around the Mendoza line. Two on, two outs, 8th inning? Close game?
Young to 3rd is fair enough. But, timing is important. And 2009 is a tad early. My opinion.
i'd rather have the defense to be in the game
than have Metcalf come up in the same situation, with the same stats.
At least Andrus has the element of speed to his game that this team can use.
Wait 'til the year after next
Good Post
True as well. We will have a hole this year at 3rd or SS this year. Might as well make sure to get a young guy ready who will also greatly improve the defense
There is only one way to know what Andrus can do and that is to play him.
Elvis
Metcalf bores me to tears, I hate watching young players with little upside.
So, it will be very fun to watch Elvis at SS, M-Y at 3rd.
Since Elvis has a real future, I see his development as more delicate than some players. Major league pitching is obviously a big challenge. Seems like we’re rushing him. Despite the fact that I want to watch him play.
Has it been declared
that Andrus starts out in the big leagues this year? At the least I hope the Rangers hold him back long enough to delay free agency.
GRRR
Im so sick of reading that crap. If he can play put him on the field. You cant worry about crap like that.
Play the damn game
You're right
two-three weeks in exchange for another year of him to “Play the damn game” for the Rangers is crap. I apologize for perpetuating this ignorance.
And beyond that. . .
BHill was talking about holding him back long enough to delay free agency. What the hell is wrong with that?!
I think the situation you describe plays into the rangers favor...
you PH for Andrus, move Young to SS, Davis across the Diamond, and fill 1B with Blalock, Ramirez/Salty. Anyone, I think that will be an easy situation to deal with and to see Rangers fans on their feet watching some of the magic Andrus will pull off will be worth it.
I love watching great fielding and it has the potential to change a game from a momentum standpoint, and the Rangers infield looks to be a strength going forward because of Young’s deference.
Kudos to him, JD, and Ryan for making it work
I'm not sure I can buy all those changes late-game
It almost sounds like a volleyball team rotating after a point. I think you just PH for Andrus and slot your utility guy in at SS.
or MY to SS
and your utility guy to 3B. I don’t think I want Duran at SS.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
its called versatility
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
I thought that was
being able to use either hand?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Why am I so vocal in defending Daniels on this?
Because to blame him for how this turned out would just be a classic case of shooting the messenger. To blame Daniels while simultaneously praising Ryan or Washington (which Young and most of the local media have done) is to pretend that only Daniels wanted this done and the rest are just going along with it.
That’s ridiculous. It was an organizational decision that Daniels would never have brought to Young if the entire front office hadn’t thoroughly discussed and bought into. I don’t blame Young for reacting strongly to a change he wasn’t ready for, but for him to now not be talking to Daniels is kind of douchey. And for the local media to somehow paint Daniels as a jerk or an idiot and completely exonerate Ryan is just amazing. If you don’t like the move you have to criticize the ENTIRE front office, not just Daniels.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Players-Management
Actually, I agree with your take.
My point is, Young has been called a lot of names here lately.
It’s Jan 16th, he’s agreed to the change. People who are calling him “Douchebag” and worse here are clueless. He didn’t get a DWI, break a law, or miss a game. Why people blame him for HIS CONTRACT is beyond me. Blame management. I’ve never-ever-ever thought Michael Young was doing poorly because of his effort.
Yep, the name-calling
has been ugly, and that really bothers me, and also why I have stayed out of some of these threads.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
dont be a pussy
heh
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
You have multiple times told me people blame him for his contract.
And I have multiple times asked for an example. And you haven’t yet given one.
But yeah, if a guy throse a public tantrup and demands a trade instead of doing what the team tells him to do to make the team better, he’s a douchebag. If all players would do that, than all players are douchebags, but I’m not sure all players would. I don’t see players react as poorly as MY too often. Nevermind the fact that the club is giving him a lot more money than he’s worth and he doesn’t seem to recognize that.
And he’s still throwing out quotes that make him look like a little bitch. He has yet to accept being a team player gracefully.
i wont negotiate during the season
sound familiar?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
x
Will all you vocal people be supportive of Elvis when he’s hitting around the Mendoza line. Two on, two outs, 8th inning? Close game?
I most certainly will, because of the defense he’s going to provide, and because I know he’s not going to turn 20 till August.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
*21
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 16, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
What makes you think. . .
. . . that people think moving MY to third ASAP and rushing Andrus before he’s ready are mutually inclusive?
Also
i dont think anyone has mentioned that this is Young’s second move to make room for someone.
MY hats off to MY.
Rocky Mountain Ranger
He should move as often as the team tells him to.
And he should do it without public cry fests, without demanding to be traded and without saying he doesn’t feel like talking to his boss.
Especially when they’re paying him a lot more than he’s worth.
Concur...
I love how everyone thinks MY is back to being that great team player even though he acted like a selfish ass the last month and still says it’s the wrong move and time to make that move.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
JJT Is Good For One Thing
Throwing bombs.
He and Gramps over at the Starlegram are both one trick ponies when it comes to the Rangers. I wonder what local media will do when the organization and the team finally turn the corner into consistent winning and contention? I think we can all guess what the first move will be…but since they will only be able to give Nolan so many newsprint reacharounds, I wonder where else they will sprinkle their bitter praise.
Yah, Nolan and Face are gonna get all the credit when this thing gets going in the right direction.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 16, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
and I think
JD is going to be ok with that. He doesn’t seem to love being the center of attention like some other GMs. Its one of the main things I like about him.
He could have presented the club’s decision to young better, but no one can fault the guy for saying the right things as they working through this last week’s debacle
JJT's lack of knowledge when it comes to baseball is shocking.
As in I’m shocked anyone would pay him to write about it. But, then again, most people don’t know all that much about baseball I suppose, so there are few people to call him on his garbage, other than us fringe and blogger types.
by FuturePants on Jan 16, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Fringe
I’m 100% OK with being fringe, just as long as it means Anna Torv will stop by occasionally…
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
by RCCook on Jan 16, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
new website slogan
no one obsesses over the rangers, we’re fringe!
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
The more print columnists that disagree with me...
…the more I know I’m right.
We couldn't have known it at the time but we definitely killed the wrong Belushi brother.
by Chad Crudup on Jan 16, 2009 11:12 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
“We’d like to make another move before spring training, if we can,” Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein said earlier this week when discussing the team’s catching plans. “We’d like to add another name to that mix, but we’ll see.”
At the moment, there is no indication that the Sox are close to a deal with either the Arizona Diamondbacks (for Montero) or the Texas Rangers (for Saltalamacchia), though each club is an obvious fit if and when the Sox want to pay the corresponding price.
In the best-case scenario, with regard to their catching, the Red Sox would enter this season with Varitek serving as mentor to a younger catcher or apprentice, be it Saltalamacchia, Montero or anyone else. Despite the signing of Josh Bard (non-guaranteed contract), the Sox can still do so because signing Varitek and trading for another catcher are not mutually exclusive.
http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/massarotti/2009/01/sox_have_pitching_but_theres_a.html
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 16, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions
Okay this is getting utterly ridiculous
Everytime something goes well. It is all Nolan Ryan. Everytime something goes wrong it is JD. If ANY of the guys that JD drafted or traded for comes up and does, of course that is because of Nolan doing something to make them good. Ya know making water into wine. If they come up and do poorly, it is all JD’s fault because he acquired them. Am i getting it about right now?
You're learning...
…make sure to bash penny-pinching Tom Hicks along the way. And deify slightly-above-averageness like MY.
We couldn't have known it at the time but we definitely killed the wrong Belushi brother.
by Chad Crudup on Jan 16, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
DING!
You’ve got it.
A quick recap:
-Michael Young can do no wrong
-Nolan Ryan can do no wrong
-Jon Daniels can do no right
-Every action Tom Hicks takes is penny-pinching
-Everyone loves hearing the Josh Hamilton story ad infinitum
-Any trade that doesn’t get Major League-ready pitching is a failure
What am I missing?
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
i guess you have to be in Dallas
to have that perception. If this site were one’s primary source for Rangers news, the first 3 points would be exactly the opposite.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
I think you missed the point...
…the points made recap the talking points of the local media.
And I would make the argument that Michael Young (pre-tantrum) was adequately praised on this site. Nolan Ryan is still very much respected on this site for the most part. And there’s plenty of Hicks-loathing going on here.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
Yeah
Ive been around baseball for a while and I just cant believe the idiocy of these columnists. Do they even read their own stuff? Or is it like when you take a crap? You know something came out but you dont dare look at it because it is so disgusting.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
You're right, in a way, but
that is only because many of us here feel the need to counter the incessant Daniels bashing by the local media. We’re venting. All of us have criticized the bad moves made by Daniels.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Exactly
When one side goes to such an extreme, as the local media has, it tends to push people like us to the opposite extreme. Even if that isnt necessarily the true stance.
Same thing tends to happen in all arguments. People on different sides tend to become more polarized on the points
Just an opinion
DFW fans are all about #1. Mostly based on Cowboys experience. And not the “in your face” #1 style of Boston or New York. But it’s deep seated, and extends down to HS football. As a consequence, there is a tendency not to trust management unless the person appointed is 45-50 years old with a ten year track record. Bump that down 5 years for college, and 8 years for HS sports. Opportunity here doesn’t come easy.
As old as I am, I’m not like that – crochety and terse and opinioneated sometimes, but only when distracted by something outside sports. Call it the roar of the greasepaint and the smell of the crowd.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 16, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Every time I read
what passes for a sports columnist from a local newspaper, I am reminded more and more on how absolutely irrelevent they are.
I think if DMN and FWST fired all their columnists, and kept their beat writers, I don’t think it would bother me at all.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 16, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
About a dozen times a day ...
… Dirkatron will rip off a 25 to 75-word Rangers-related rant that is far more informed and entertaining than whatever local columnist is throwing out there. And you can give instant feedback when he Eff’s up. And it’s free. All you gotta do is make sure he never runs out of Mr. Pibb and Red Vines or he’ll go limp.
by shroomer on Jan 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Mr. Pibb is a lame replica
he doesn’t even have a degree.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
lol, literally.
Thanks, Shroom… I think.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 16, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Problem is...
…(if you were a columnist), you would either insert the word “penis” one too many times for the editor, or you would want some kind of embedded video (in the online column) whereby you make the wanking off motion. Not sure either are acceptable by newspaper standards.
by FuturePants on Jan 16, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
reeves is almost as much of a joke as galloway, and jjt is even worse.
What gets me is that reeves actually prints that its a small number of bloggers who think young was in the wrong? what about those guys who write for espn who you know…. actually talk to gm’s around the league.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
JJT
is just stupid beyond stupid when it comes to baseball. I never understood why the DMN has given him such a prominent role, he’s halfway below avg when it comes to writing about the cowboys (although alot of it just seems redudant) and on every other topic he has no new ideas and always seems to be adapting the stupid ones. He’s just plain dumb, while Galloway has a bit and is somewhat smarter, but is too stubborn and senile to give any kind of head to any other way of thought.
Reeves, Galloway, etc
I just can’t get myself worked up about them. I really don’t care what they think – they are opinion columnists who get paid to be extreme. Early on, they pick good guys/bad guys in any issues – somewhat arbitrarily – and they generally stick with those sides regardless of what comes out. JD got on the “bad” list of these guys, and Young on the “good” list a long time ago. This particular issue and the actual right/wrongs of it have no bearing on anything. They aren’t paid to reason – they are just the Ann Coulter and Keith Olbermann of local sports.
Anyway, I think the papers do have some guys who are a little less “extreme” and more analytical. Those are the guys who are worth linking to and discussing. Posting “Galloway is dumb” or “Jim Reeves doesn’t get it” or “JJT is dissing you again” is kind of masochistic.
Well, since Reeves and Galloway are clown shoes ...
maybe JJT can be the big red nose.
The national media nailed this thing in their take, as did some of our local beat writers. Our local columnists, however, have been an embarrassment.
On the MLB Network last night
they did a pretty good job of explaining the difference between playing short and third. In their studio that is a mock field, they had Reynolds and Larkin talking about it (with Reynolds hitting soft liners at Larkin).
They were talking about pretty obvious things, but it put things in perspective, about how different the game will be for Young. You can actually catch the video if you go to texasrangers.com. It should be the primary video that plays on the right, when you go there. If not, you can click on that Video Corner link.
For those of you that don’t have the MLB Network… if you’re interested in the Hot Stove show, it seems like they’re doing a good job of posting most of their segments on the team sites that apply.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Did you get either of my e-mails about re-upping for next year's league?
I haven’t heard back and I’m not on the confirmed list yet so I’m worried they may be getting junked by your spam filter or maybe you’re mad at me for be so good at fantasy or something.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 16, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Actually...
I did get your wake-up email that made my blackberry go off this morning at 7:00am. Thanks for your dedication.
I think if you hit “reply” to my first email I sent out, it wasn’t sent to me, but instead it was sent to the fine people at espn.com. I’ve been meaning to send out a second email in case some folks did that.
I’ve been meaning to talk to you about your recent parole, you need to make sure you get on the fantasy baseball sex offender registry. They might be forced to give A-Rod back to Team Spriteman.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Thats why i hit reply to all, just hitting reply goes to espn and i was too lazy to paste your email in and/or remove everyone else’s.
Side note, are we allowed to trade before locking in keepers?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Off-season trades
I don’t think we’ve really had that conversation, but I don’t see any reason to oppose it. Off-season trades happen in real baseball, why not in our league. So start working the trade market if you want.
The only thing I don’t want anyone doing is picking up free agents (obviously they’re reserved for the draft).
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Yah, off season trades are cool by me.
It’s all about trying to get the 5 best keepers, so there are some interesting 2 for 1 possibilities out there if people want to explore them.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 16, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
like i have several keeper quality guys that i obviously can’t keep, maybe someone else has a need for one of those positions and has a guy i’d want to keep that they wouldnt .
just opens the doors wider for keepers.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Shoot some my way
The only keepers of mine that I like are Tex/Bossman Jr/Tacoby (mainly for his LF/CF/RF eligibility).
I'd love to get my hands on Bossman J. Upton.
What kind of return are you looking for?
ARod and MCab are off limits for BJ now that he’s losing 2b eligibility, but pretty much everyone else is fair game.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, thanks for reminding me
I don’t even check my email on the account I registered with.
HA HA HA!
That seriously made me laugh out loud.
I’m not sure whether to apologize or to rub it in…
Either way, that should provide you with even more incentive to try to whoop my ass this year ;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 16, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
What's funnier?
JJT writing a column about baseball or JJT writing a column about hockey?
Ugh..
Don’t get me started on his hockey columns.
Defending Big D: A Dallas Stars blog: easy to use, free to join.
by Brandon Worley on Jan 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
JJT
In his defense he wasn’t bad when he was the cowboys beat reporter.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Being forced to read JJT and Randy Galloway columns in the paper
Made me want to grow up to be a sportswriter.
Because I knew that there had to be a better way, a more legit angle to take, an actual amount of class to display when covering sports teams. If you think the only way to attract readers and attention to your columns is to be outrageous and polarizing then you must really not have that much faith in your writing to start with.
Defending Big D: A Dallas Stars blog: easy to use, free to join.
by Brandon Worley on Jan 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST reply actions
Honestly, I wonder how quickly this would have worked out without Nolan
I can’t blame a player for going to Nolan to talk about something. He’s probably the only guy in the front office that players truly feel comfortable talking to. If it has to be a good cop bad cop (JD) thing I’ve got 0 problems with that.
Heck, maybe this is the way management planned it all along. JD makes the request/demand, MY gets predictably pissed, wait a bit, have Nolan, the ex-player and part of management, explain how things are, and everything gets worked out all according to plan.
And there are others who were born with the wisdom to know that nothing lasts.
These are the truly tough among us, the ones who can live without illusion, or without even the hope of illusion.
I am not that grown-up or up-to-date. I am a simpler creature, tied to more primitive patterns and cycles.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
Doubtful.
That sounds like a good way to run a daycare, not a professional organization.
by brettgardner on Jan 16, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe
But it’s not that much different than settlement negotiations. I take a hard line in initial offers which are certainly going to piss off the other side, but when it’s face to face time with the litigant, I just listen to the plaintiff or defendant’s ranting, nod my head, tell them I understand that they feel wronged, let them vent (half the time that’s what they’re looking for), etc., and try to smooth out all the emotions. It works pretty well whenever you’re dealing with individuals versus entities.
And there are others who were born with the wisdom to know that nothing lasts.
These are the truly tough among us, the ones who can live without illusion, or without even the hope of illusion.
I am not that grown-up or up-to-date. I am a simpler creature, tied to more primitive patterns and cycles.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
And drunk people
Basically anybody that’s irrational.
And there are others who were born with the wisdom to know that nothing lasts.
These are the truly tough among us, the ones who can live without illusion, or without even the hope of illusion.
I am not that grown-up or up-to-date. I am a simpler creature, tied to more primitive patterns and cycles.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
Funny
We just had to watch a shitty 80’s video with some lawyers pretending to negotiate in my LR&W class.
by brettgardner on Jan 16, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
The whole Nolan thing makes sense
He’s the #1 baseball figure in Texas, whether Adam likes it or not. When Nolan Ryan tells you to shut up and behave, odds are you’ll do it.
It does say something about Michael Young in general though. There is an arrogance in players that “only other players can understand me”. Well, so what? Most GMs in baseball are businessmen, not players. Young revealed that he doesn’t understand how the system works, which is both surprising and disappointing. You can’t be a clubhouse leader when you are that confused.
I would say two things: One, if Nolan was needed to convince MY, this is a huge indictment on Ron Washington, not JD. In theory, the manager is supposed to be the intermediary between management and the players – the guy who tells the players, “look, I understand how you feel, I went through something similar, but that’s the way the business works”. Washington didn’t do that. That’s a Fail.
Second, JD does take a hit on this, fair or not. It shows that he doesn’t understand something – either he doesn’t understand the nature of his relationship with the players, or he didn’t understand the protocol for handling this. Even assuming he did everything correctly, he should have been setting this up for a while – making sure the key franchise players knew the minor league system and the long-term organizational plan. If nothing else, Washington should have known and made the players aware of some of these looming questions.
I agree on the Washington thing
I get this image of him checking his watch at the meeting with JD and MY wondering if he can still make it to Shreveport to catch the buffet before he sits back and dumps a handful of quarters into the slots.
I heard an interview of him saying he likes to float in the casinos in the offseason.
well
everyone has their role, has their natural strengths, weaknesses. Seems like this team of Nolan/JD/Wash might be a very functional one.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
about JD and the disconnect u mention...
either he doesn’t understand the nature of his relationship with the players, or he didn’t understand the protocol for handling this
any1 here really think JD didnt sit with Nolan, AJ, Wash, et al and say, “Ok, we have figured out that FOTF is the future 3b for the rangers, whats the best way to go about doing this?”
did all of them shrug silently?
doubt it.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Agree.
And MY has had nothing but good things to say about Wash coming out of this.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I wonder how
those bozos(RG – JR) keep their jobs. Generally, speaking the S-T is a 5th Rate paper in a 3rd Rate Town. I wouldn’t use it for toliet paper.
However, all of this mess is bad pr, and bad pr does not sell tickets.
You're in San Diego
so I’ll point out that the Star Telegram is generally a better paper than the Union Tribune. Local papers generally suck, but the Star Telegram is pretty respectable for a city the size of Fort Worth. Their sports coverage is somewhat dated (probably because they lost both Kat O’Brien and TR Sullivan, and Galloway & Reeves have been around too long).
The Union Tribune is quite possibly the worst newspaper I’ve ever seen. On both local politics and sports its favoritism to certain people completely dominates their reporting.
I will bow to your opinion on this
I am relatively new to San Diego, so I haven’t read the Union Tribune for that long a period of time. However, I have read the Star-Telegram over 20 years, and never liked it, and always considered it a Small-Time paper. Maybe, because I grew up reading the Washington Post. I do like the Dallas Morning News though, even with it’s conservative bent. The DMN seems to have more international stories, and the S-T seems to focus on dumb local stuff, and ignores that there is life outside of the DFW area.
Then again, I am no fan of Fort Worth. Dallas is better generally speaking. Again, I lived in Fort Worth over 20 years, unfortunately. The smell of the Stockyards permates over the whole city, I mean village.
by SanDiegoKev on Jan 16, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
Well we’ll just have to disagree about Fort Worth. But if you are a big city guy, I can see why you don’t care for it too much. I guess I am similarly biased against San Diego despite living here for a long time.
The DMN and Post are a fundamentally different type of paper than the Star Telegram and Union Tribune – the first two are national or big regional papers (like the Houston Chronicle, which I really like, and the LA Times). The UT and ST are just local papers, you really can’t compare them to the big boys – people subscribe to them to find out whether the city council will allow them to walk their dogs in their park, or in San Diego’s case, to read about how ridiculously corrupt the city is. The difference is, Fort Worth is a small city with relatively mild local politics, it doesn’t need a major newspaper. San Diego is what, the 7th biggest city in the country? Its paper is a joke for a city this size.
I got the UT when I first moved out here for a while, and couldn’t bear it. The kid gloves that they use (or used to, since I haven’t read them in a while) in treating the debacles that are the Padres and Chargers are pathetic, just like their treatment of the city government. I’d rather have the ST’s extremism about the Rangers than the deferential la-la writing the UT has about the Padres.
I see what you mean about the U T
It seems pretty la-la, good description. And the local TV news here, it is awful!!! Talk about small-time. My wife forces me to watch it…
by SanDiegoKev on Jan 16, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
oh the local news is definitely painful
fortunately my wife gets mad and changes the channel whenever shows end and she sees them come on.
So, I feel strongly
that the Rangers loosing their Big City Coverage of the DMN is not good. So, now all we get are those two Country Bumpkin Rubes destroying the Rangers coverage, and beat writers that come and go. Evan Grant was the best!!!
I'm too lazy to do this
But I think somebody should save the links to the ridiculous articles that include any of the following content:
1) J.D. sucks and should have been fired ages ago.
2) The Tex trade did nothing to help this team immediately improve.
3) The Rangers refuse to spend money on pitching (as opposed to growing your own).
As soon as the Rangers are contending year in and year out, it would be nice to shove it up the ass of all these idiot columnists who churn out garbage content to meet a deadline.
"Congrats Rangers fans, you just found your replacement for Mark Teixeira. Just a crazy, crazy steal." -Goldstein
like said above
it won’t be JD that gets the credit. It will be Nolan Ryan, and probably Maddux if he stays.
Wait 'til the year after next
Well
I think everyone’s still waiting for Galloway’s retraction on his Herschel Walker trade column, so I wouldn’t hold your breath.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Care of Jamey Newberg ...
“The Cowboys got nothing more than a huge handful of Minnesota smoke. And who knows if there’ll ever be any fire. Love that steal for Minnesota.
.
"[G]ive it a year, or two, maybe three, then allow us to gather once again for a replay of Thursday’s events. Roll will be called as we are taking names and checking close to see who is doing the beaming and the gloating. We definitely will find out whose train was really robbed.”
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― Randy Galloway, Dallas Morning News, Oct. 13, 1989
Galloway's track record is never so clear
as in that comment.
he’ll eat his words about the rangers as well. At least, I hope.
Wait 'til the year after next
Sound familiar?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
The problem with the FWST website
is that after a while their links die. The DMN on the other hand lasts longer.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 16, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
sounds like another reason newspapers are dying
doesnt that end up forcingsum1 to create a blog and literally copy all those kinda collumns for archival reasons? then taking away potential advert $$ that would otherwise goto newspapers?
dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Anyone else hear a South Park song?
bntw, can someone tell me how to "quote " here. sry for the newb question
"But with Tom Hicks squeezing his checkbook tighter than Tony Romo's grip on Jessica Simpson"- Jim Reeves on why Cruz will be the clean-up hitter in '09
When you reply, hit the blue "quote" icon between the S and the chain links,
then cut/paste what you want in the quotes.
can someone tell me how to “quote” here
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
blah
Reeves = Irrelevant
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
I wish JD....
Would pull a Joker and make Grandpa Urine and Reeves fight each other with a broken pool cue to continue covering the Rangers
CD's thoughts on the move:
What do you think of Michael Young going to third?
Good deal. I thought it was a tough situation in the first place and I know he was frustrated and I know Jon and those guys felt like they had their hands tied. That makes me really happy that Mike accepted that. Once again he shows what he’s willing to do for our team. They asked him to move to short and now he’s moving to third. That’s the kind of guy and player he is. That gives us an extremely strong defensive infield. You can’t say enough about Mike as a hitter. I’m anxious to see how he’s going to do. I think he’ll be fine over there. His work ethic is unbelievable and he’s a very good defensive player. It will take some time to learn, but I don’t think there’s any question he’s a solid fit at third.
What do you think it means for you?
I’m going to be prepared for anything, but that kind of gives me a sign that I can buckle down at first and really concentrate and start working with the guys. You need to know each other’s tendencies in the field, but I think it’s a good thing for everybody. It goes to show that once we get to spring training, we can start to work and have that strong defensive team.
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/thoughts-from-chris-davis.html
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
hmm
nobody is going to ask him about Smoak? I wonder if he realizes that Smoak is probably going to get the nod at 1st in 2-3 years if all goes well
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I'm glad he didn't ask really
CD is still young and goes into this year as our 1B. The future definitely looks like Smoak, but that is one of things that will come up eventually.
I do think he may look like a deer in the headlights when Smoak comes up, although, I bet he is more aware of our Minor League system than MY.
Wait 'til the year after next
The Rangers have a very enviable problem:
too many sluggers.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
imagine that problem 24 months ago
davis was still really far away if even on the radar, smoak wasnt a ranger…
so much can change in what seems like a short time
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
last offseason my plan was to sign adam dunn
because of our lack of power.
glad things have changed.
the preceding post was a great success.
Can we get back to talking about
a catcher to Boston trade?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
JJT was on with Norm yesterday
Norm, of course, has a stupid opinion on the whole Young issue because he thinks this is a sign that the Rangers want to cut Young and get rid of the salary. There is no where for him to go, though, Norm. Norm thinks that the Rangers should move Young to 2B and Kinsler to left, not taking into account the fact that you would then have 3 guys competing for right field, in Murphy, Byrd, and Cruz.
Anyway, Norm asked JJT about the Rangers handling and he said that it was completely botched. He said, what you do is you go to Young and ask him to move, putting the thought in his mind. He will say “No” of course but you have put the thought in his mind. You then give him a month or so to think it over and then go back to him and present him with the idea again, again just asking him, not telling him. You hope that he comes around to the decision on his own. JJT then said that you go to him one more time before Spring Training and ask him again if he hasn’t already agreed and if he doesn’t agree then, you have a problem on your hands. (This, of course, is a paraphrase but is essentially what he said.) That is absolutely ridiculous! The same people who are writing about the Cowboys that the inmates are running the asylum are now telling the Rangers that they need to let the inmates run the asylum. So so stupid!
I think it all comes down to lack of respect for the GM. Jon Daniels is not going to be able to do anything to redeem himself in the eyes of Galloway, Engel, Reeves, Taylor, etc. outside of a championship. I just wish that these people would go back to writing their articles on Chris Canty or on the importance of Tony Curtis in the 2 tight end set and leave the Rangers to people who know the hell what they’re talking about like Lebreton (who seems to get it), Grant, Wilson, and a few others. The definition of insanity is doing the same crap over and over and expecting different results. We have gotten the same crap on the Rangers over and over again from these morons. Shut up until you have something new to say.
"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo
Championship
Even that would not “redeem” Daniels in their eyes. They’ll just give all the credit to Ryan.
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True
It’s the Parcells in Miami theory.
If the Dolphins win, it’s all Parcells. If they lose, well then it has to be Jeff Ireland and/or Tony Sparano.
"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo
JJT=stupid
Telling Young the plan now is MUCH better than what JJT recommends. So he cries, licks his wounds, gets on board, and ST you can focus on oh, I don’t know, playing good baseball and winning games. This drags into ST and the clubhouse is a wreck, morale is shot, no focus. Instead, we can all move on and get ready for the season as a team.
OT : Well...
I’m dicked: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090116/bs_nm/us_banks_citigroup_bankofamerica
Citifinancial (who I’m with now) is under the “risky” side of the split called Citi Holdings. Basically they are going to be trying to sell us and CitiMortgage, et al. off to try and save Citibank and they are going to just concentrate on banking around the world now.
Citigroup is just a giant clusterfuck right now. Time to update that resume this weekend.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Well good luck
How exactly will they go about getting those toxic assets off their sheets? I don’t really understand that – is it really possible to spin off all your debts into one separate company and keep all your profit in a different one? No one is going to buy all of that mess, are they?
YOu wouldbe suprised
becasue in accounting you can carry your losses against your profit for several years.
Your company had a 50 M loss. I know that my company can buy your company for 20M, and my company currently is forecasted to make 30M a year the next few years…
I can now instead apply 30 of that 50M loss to one year and 20M to the next year to push down the tax incidence against my company. While doing that, I can sell of parts of your old company in an attempt to make as much of my 20M back that I paid for your company.
That is why you see those deals in a nut shell.
Exactly...
Citi is right now trying to unload assets to try and go back to just being a banking company as it was pre ’98 when it decided to try and do everything in finances. Tough to do though when you show an $8+ billion loss in the 4th quarter alone though.
As far as someone buying ALL that mess, no, probably not. However buying pieces of it, yes. I just have to hope whoever buys CitiFinancial doesn’t do so to just buy up accounts and manage them with what they already have and lay off many or most of the CitiFinancial employees. I think that is the most likely scenerio though.
Sorry for the delayed response JBI, I’’ve been on and off conference calls all day.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Well, you're not alone.
Just look at the business pages and its filled with reorganizations and liquidations and job cuts.
The Economy is about in as bad of shape as I can recall. I wouldn’t be surprised to see double digit unemployment before 2009 is out.
Get off my lawn.
Im with goldman
and that is what we are predicting for 09. I think the number is around 11%. Not quite sure though.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Circuit City
just put a rather large dent in that number.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Yes sir
they sure did. Unfortunate. At the end of the 3Q in 08 I was thinking that around the start of the 4Q in 09 the economy would start slowly recovering into the end of 2010 and then get very healthy during 2011. Now im thinking middle of 2010 before everything starts getting back on track.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
TARP & the Fed
buying MBS will help…I just hope sooner rather than later.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Honestly
they need to shy away from buying MBS’s and instead do exactly what they did with BOA early today. Capital infusions though preferred stock with a set dividend is the best way. Right now the US govt is basically a venture capitalist without being able to pick and choose its spots. They need to invest how investors do. Guaranteeing debt will create more problems than it will solve.
With the BOA (former employer, looks like i got out just in time, heh) deal the 20 bil was perfect however the 118 bil guarantees will be more trouble than it is worth. They need to incent these companies to dump the MBS’s for %50-60 of value (about the going rate for a 10-40 bil pool) to get them off their books to companies that will look to do something with them such as refi all the loan while taking losses on each loan but still taking in profits due to the discounts they rec’d upon purchase. Or like the IndyMac pool that was just sold look to mod the loans (which rarely works, but hey at least it creates activity). Basically, the economy needs activity. They need companies making open market transactions. Buy and sell, sell and buy.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
That's why ending the quasi-govvy guarantee behind Fannie & Freddie
is so huge. Like it or not, this economy runs on real estate and consumer spending. With the govt expressly backing MBS, and buying an average of $4.681bln/day(!!!) in January, rates are improving, and foreign govts are buying our paper like crazy again.
This is good because it will stimulate real estate/mortgage transactions, which in turn will help the economy, and free up other capital to be infused into other credit markets, which are very much feeling the pinch right now.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
The banks
need to take a lot more write downs on their trash assets like you said:
They need to incent these companies to dump the MBS’s for %50-60 of value (about the going rate for a 10-40 bil pool) to get them off their books to companies that will look to do something with them such as refi all the loan while taking losses on each loan but still taking in profits due to the discounts they rec’d upon purchase.
Companies are unwilling to dump anything b/c the government keeps throwing cash at the problem; instead of providing a real solution. I think everyone is still terrified to carry out business as usual b/c most banks still have enormous amounts of debt that’s just getting covered up, or patched over by the bailouts.
Eventually, write-downs or some other disposition of the trash on Bank balance sheets has to occur.
And banks are hoarding cash
which is really pissing off the Fed. They can’t have it both ways…they have access to capital thru the Fed, but they won’t even lend to each other.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
pissing off the Fed?
who do think decided to move up the date the Fed would start paying interest on reserve balances, and even ended up raising that rate in october. the fed is trying to maintain some control over the massive increase in reserve balances. they’re more interested in keeping the banks solvent right now than flooding the markets with ‘liquidity’.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
President Bush Demands Banks Stop Hoarding Money
And a lack of liquidity is the issue to fix, not prevent.
That’s strike two.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
that's an article
is a bunch of political grandstanding. unleash $800 billion into the system at once and you’ll have weimar republic overnight.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
Hardly
There is a much greater risk of deflation right now than Weimar, that’s ridiculous. Most economists are saying the stimulus package isn’t big enough, and diluting it with tax cuts means that a lot of that money just gets saved or debt reduction and won’t get the economy moving.
right now there is zero danger of Weimar style reichsmark devaluation.
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Well said...
You are exactly right. Why unload an asset for 50 cent on the dollar then govt will guarantee the whole thing? Banks are waiting for the capital infusions. Banks are waiting for the guarantee thus artificially propping up the value of that asset again. The govt needs to say we will buy preferred stock in your company thus giving you some capital however no more guarantees. How quickly do you think that banks would unload those assets to the highest bidder? Almost immediately. Then you would have more activity…
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
It's not pretty
as long as government is involved banks have no incentive to sell anything. Why should they care about their balance sheets? Apparently everyone is too big to fail these days.
considering the thin capital ratios
at many banks, that would equal instant insolvency.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
If the assets are worthless
and everyone knows they are. Why does it matter? Everyone will treat you as if you’re already insolvent and refuse to do business with you. Fear of the unknown can cripple everyday banking operations.
Capital injections with no write downs is masking the issue not addressing it. If they take their write-downs, and then receive capital injections to restore or maintain solvency. There is no more fear of uncovering a “garbage barge” of assets on the bank balance sheet. This should allow them to operate as a Going-Concern.
i agree
with the idea of fair value accounting for these assets. unfortunately, i think it’d take a much further equity stake by our treasury.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
a good read.
The right way to do this is to recognize losses, which requires realistic pricing of dud assets. Then the powers that be need to make a determination if the bank can be saved or not. Some banks will no doubt be such goners that they should be liquidated or merged. Dud assets get spun out to a liquidation vehicle which is separately capitalized.
TARP Arm-Twisting via Naked Capitalism.
We ain't seen nothing yet
all this mess we’re in now are from “Subprime” ARMS resetting and what not….wait til all these “Alt-A” (loans to people with better credit) loans called PAP’s (Pick-A-Pays) start defaulting….all the bubble areas lived on those (CA, LV, FL, Chicago, etc…) for years, most were 5 year ARMS. Your choices were a) 30 yr am b) 15 yr am c) Interest Only of d) some minimum payment option (negative amortization)…..guess what everyone picked? yup c or d. When the 5 yrs are up, the bank calls the negative amortization, values are in the crapper so you can’t refi out of it…it’s something you haven’t heard much about in the news…..it’s going to get bad. Most, if not all of the banks have no clue what they have in their portfolios thanks to the ratings agencies who had no idea what they were rating.
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on Jan 16, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I think its fairly likely
that we will see the highest unemployment since the depression. Most of 2009 looks to be a downhill ride.
Get off my lawn.
I agree
the only scary thing is when it will stop. This is certainly no Great Depression however I dont think that anyone can disagree that this is the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree, In a Way
Real estate crisis/stock market crash of the 80s is very similar. Dunno which is worse.
It's really hard to say...
if what we are seeing now will be worse than what happened in the ’80’s. Do I think it could be, yes. It’s still early is the problem. I don’t think we will hit bottom ‘til the end of this year or maybe the beginning of next year. That’s when we should be able to answer that question a little better.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Based on the size of bad assets.
The S&L Crisis was under $400 billion when all was said and done. It also didn’t impact the main street economy or absolutely stop loans like this one has.
Get off my lawn.
$400 billion is worth what today?
You have to compare in today’s dollars. But I see what you are saying. However, a credit freeze doesn’t necessarily mean this time is worse, it’s just a different effect.
The RTC was created in 1989
so, if you use inflation calculators, $400B in 1989 would be about $650B today. The current crisis is bigger by a wide margin.
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The reason
I would disagree is just look at the companies that would have failed assuming no govt intervention: Fannie, Freddie, IndyMac, New Century, Ameriquest, Wachovia, Countrywide, WAMU, Citi, AIG, Merrill, Lehman, Bear Stearns, and National City. Those are the ones that come mind. BOA would have been fine becase they never would have gone through on their purchase w/o the govt guaranteeing losses from Merrill. If you want to have some fun. Print out Cit’s end of quarter statements and look at their balance sheets. Ouch!!!
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Ameriquest---gawd what a effing chop shop that was.
They screwed so many people I can’t even begin to ennumerate. New Century wasn’t too much better.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
thats my ballfield your talking about!!!
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
What stinks for me
is i finally got a “stable job” and bought a house, then 2 months later all hell breaks loose with the economy and my employer.
I knew times wouldnt be great, so i was very cautious with the purchase but shit i never expected this.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Refi now.
I know who you could call…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Refinancing
It’s not been quite six months, probably makes 0 sense to try and refinance and pay closing costs all over again.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Depends what your budget looks like,
and what your current rate is.
But yeah, it’s your decision. Hadta throw it out there…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I just looked at the refi
the rates aren’t low enough yet. The breakeven point was too far away (but I’m not planning on being in the same place for 10 years or anything).
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 16, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
low enough yet?
Aren’t they at historical lows right now? I wouldn’t count on them getting any lower.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Word.
I got a guy 4.55 on a jumbo and he is over-the-top thrilled. I can’t get that rate now. I also stole a deal from CW recently…I just beat them on rate, easy.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
americans under the age of 30
unemployment is at 20%
saw that the other day
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
Wow
Where did you see that? Not denying it, just wondering the link is all.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if there is a selection bias there
unemployment rates stop counting people after some time, and they don’t count people who aren’t actively looking for jobs. Both of those would likely bias towards older people (younger people will probably look longer without being discouraged, and they haven’t been in the systems long enough to fall off the books)
Probably mild effects. But I also kind of believe it. Companies will lay off younger people first, since their service time is shorter (usually meaning less severance pay) and they hold more replaceable jobs.
so far at my company
the high salaried guys have been the ones cut, and newbies like me have been safe. We’ll see though, usually you are right.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 16, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
There is a reason why I decided to go ahead and start on my Master's in Finance
in May instead of going into the job market.
I am already looking at having to relocate most likely to the DC area as it, waiting a year and a half can only improve the job market
smart move
i started looking into going back to school, etc a week ago. that and stashing away money like a squirrel before winter.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
You know what type if Maser's program you are looking for?
Depending on the program, I can send you some different scholarship stuff from the metroplex
hell i need my bachelors first
i know more schools have opened up 100% online degree plans
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Dude, If you are an undergrad
there are tons of local schools that have very strong online and off campus programs
Depending on the state you are in, look into the different programs that the unemployment offices will offer for continuing ed and job placement skills. Those can be used towards colleges as well as technical programs. There are tons of different ways to get financial help towards college. Worse comes to worse there is always subsidized and unsubsidized student loans as well.
Im about
2 semester into getting my MBA/MS in accounting. Then from there my JD with a specialization in securities and finance or taxation. I am working full time right now as well as getting my degrees. I figure if i do get laid off at least ill have a lot more ammo in the gun rather than without any graduate experience.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
My problem is that
With an undergrad in statistical analysis and a Masters in Finance, i don’t really fit into any Phd or Law program back ground wise.
I might consider and Phd in Finance or Decision Science but most likely I will wait.
The funny thing is that I am considering taking a job in the Bus Dept as a Student adviser to get the tuition cut for myself and my finance and use that to get a better grasp on what direction to go.
Yeah, I feel bad for recent graduates.
I imagine grad school does look like a pretty good place to weather the storm.
Get off my lawn.
In regards
to a law degree you would very surprised what kind of help advantage you would have with that degree (JD) in the finance world. You get into the corporate side of finance of course.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I have said this before, but...
…let me re-emphasize how happy I am that there are lawyers who want to do that kind of work so I don’t have to. I feel like I’m on space whenever people talk about lawyering on the corporate side of finance. gags
I"m not saying it's wrong...
…or worse or anything. I’m just saying thank sweet baby jesus I do not have to get into those issues. Yech.
I would do what im
doing about my JD. Get your finance master’s then go to law school at night while working so that company could possibly help you out on the cost. Concentrate in securities and finance. Takes 4 yrs as opposed to 3 plus you are going to be working. Not a bad deal at all.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
I am currently
getting my MBA/MS at UD then from there SMU night law to concentrate in securities and finance.
by Michael Cave on Jan 16, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
That's shitty, man.
Best of luck.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
here's what I don't get
do these sportswriters – both local and national – not realize that Nolan most definitely was on board with the move, and that Nolan most likely met with Daniels about just how he should bring it up to Young, and that Nolan probably let Daniels play the “bad guy, young punk” role so that he could step in and be the “good guy” if things went sour, which apparently, they did?
and that this plan worked to perfection?
does nobody else see this? as somebody else mentioned in an earlier thread, JD doesn’t have to give two craps about what Young thinks about him…as long as JD puts a winning product on the field at the end of the day. is 2009 the “end of the day?” I hope, and so does MY, that it is…and maybe it will be. But really, if Young is here through 2013, and if JD has a team in the playoffs from 2010 through 2013 of that contract, with Saltalamacchia, Andrus, Max Ramirez, Feliz and Harrison playing prominent roles on those teams, he never will have to care about Young’s opinion
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
Daniels play the "bad guy, young punk" role
How do you know this happened? Were you at lunch with them?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
doesnt take a genius
to figure out that MY would be pissy if any1 but Joe Torre or Jon Shuerholz (sp?) asked him to move. JD doesnt have that level of respect from veteran players (although i didnt realize the extent) thats natural, so MY reacts the way JD and Nolan knew exactly he would.
Get it into his head and then Nolan will come in after a couple weeks of simmering and do the
"listen here, boy. i saw ron cey move to blah blah blah, ron cey! this shit happens boy, its the game, its not you, this really does make the defense better and give our pitchers a better shot at controlling the game. when i was pitching for X, we had a SS named X, and he would steal me 4 wins a year… "
anyway, its pretty obvious every1 in management knew that Nolan would come at an angle to MY that would smooth over the whole process.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
no...they ate Halibut for lunch. I HATE halibut.
Listen…I like JD. I like Mike Young. I like Nolan. I like Ron Washington. Not so high on Tom Hicks. at the end of the day, I’m not saying JD is a prick, or a young punk, or a bad guy…I’m simply saying somebody had to tell Young he was moving, NOT ask as other columnists have suggested, and it wasn’t going to be Ron W. for the obvious reasons, it wasn’t going to be Nolan because that’s really not his job…it was going to be JD. That is his job, if the manager isn’t going to be the one to do it. And so it went. And the “ace” in the hole – no pun intended – was Nolan Ryan. All he had to do was talk to Mike. JD wasn’t going to be the one to do the talking, he’s the one that poured the ants down Mikey’s pants in the first place. So Nolan walks in, with a big ol’ bottle of Advil, tosses a few Young’s way, and says, “I know it hurts…but you want to win, we want to win, we’re all on the same page…” and Young swallowed the pills.
What, you’re going to tell me that’s not how it happened?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 16, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you're right
I think I was reading too much into your previous post. I need to go back to reading every other word. :)
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Yeah, this is what I expected today
The DFW media taking a collective shit all over common sense and objectivity, while simultaneously blowing MY and Nolan.
What else is new.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by LSJ on Jan 16, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Daniels plotted this perfectly.
- Daniels demands Young move to third
- Young demands trade
- Daniels says nobody wants him because of his contract
- Young looks foolish
- Front office looks foolish
- Daniels smartly diverts attention away from the contract by raving about Young being a team player
- Let’s Nolan take the credit
- Young accepts move to third
Daniels is one slick shoe.
I sometimes think he deliberately traded Danks away to force Hicks into rebuilding.
You think Kenny and Jon
Were the only 2 who really knew that McCarthy had a vag?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Well them and possibly Brandon's wife-slash-lesbian lover.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions
http://blogs.weei.com/alexspeier/2009/01/16/red-sox-john-henry-to-meet-jason-varitek/
In an interview that will air tonight at 6:30pm on Comcast Sports Net New England, Red Sox principal owner John Henry told CSN that he is flying tonight for a one-one-one meeting with catcher and captain Jason Varitek. Varitek, who has been with the Sox since 1997, remains a free-agent after rejecting the team’s offer of salary arbitration earlier this offseason.
Go Strangers.
no more Boston catcher talk
nothing is going to happen with the Rangers and Boston
Wait 'til the year after next
Why not?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Cause Boston SUCKS
Hi-fives douchebag in the Yankees hat
by FuturePants on Jan 16, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yankees
Someone in the comments jokingly suggested the Yanks would sign Varitek.
Kinda makes you wonder… That is one team with little to lose from draft-pick compensation.
Kinda makes sense…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 16, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
But they'd still get the comp 1st as well, whereas if he just goes back to Boston they get nothing but another season of suckass.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Even if they sign Varitek
there’s still a good chance they’d like to use him to mentor Salty, Montero or some young catcher they get in trade.
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Adam...
Are we still “A Community In Crisis”??
I think we are “A Community With Direction” now…….or some such.
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
I liked the suggestion above about the fringe
We’re now “A community on the fringe”.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Good news.
NFL Network reports the Cowboys have fired defensive coordinator Brian Stewart.
The writing has been on the wall since owner Jerry Jones gave Wade Phillips the game ball after the head coach usurped Stewart’s defensive play-calling duties at mid-season. Save Week 17, the Cowboys defense responded much better to Phillips’ touch, leaving Stewart as a wallflower in Dallas.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
And then there's this
NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett is on a plane to St. Louis as of Friday afternoon.
Schefter could not get confirmation that Garrett has been hired, but the timing indicates the probability. Meanwhile, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen is reporting that Ravens DC Rex Ryan is the favorite even though Ryan can’t be hired until his team’s postseason ends. The latest evidence, of course, points to
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
If Garrett gets the
Rams gig, Jerry should just go ahead and fire Wade also.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
i prefer the idea of having wade be our DC
and hiring Shanahan to run the offense
Wait 'til the year after next
Good
Luck.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
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