OT: Cowboys crap
by Sharky on Jan 17, 2009 5:28 AM CST
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Just saw that the Cowboys fired Brian Stewart..yay!
And the moves keep on coming..Garrett's future in doubt, TO's future in doube, Bruce Read fired, Pac Man and Tank let go..
This article actually speculates that Ray Sherman could be the new OC if Garrett goes..
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/011709dnspocowlede.46afe49.html
I almost hope that happens just so I can laugh at the wreckage of this 4-12 (will be 4-12 if it's Sherman) team next year, AJM can blame the draft and JJ or whatever illogical stuff he does, and I can laugh at all the Garett haters ...and you oblivious goofs can talk about how the offensive line sucks and thats the reason..
Also mentions Campo for DC, I'd be fine with that..
Anyways what kind of crap board software doesnt automatically make links clickable? This one.
And btw, Slumdog Millionare is a great movie...
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They really need to dump Garrett
everyone knows its all the OC, and if the Cowboys don’t make the playoffs, it really means their OC sucks.
Get off my lawn.
Yep.
Obviously
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Speaking of talent
Heres a good idea of how meaningless “talent” is in the NFL. I have this football magazine I bought last year for the 08 season. It’s called Pro Football weekly preview 08. Like a Street and Smiths type thing, like I used to devour before the internet. Anyway, they had their “preseason power rankings” in the rag. So here are there top 12 teams going into 08 and how many made the playoffs (remember this list would have looked very rational after the 07 season):
1. New England-no playoffs
2. Dallas-no playoffs
3. San Diego-playoffs
4. Indy-playoffs
5. Seattle-no playoffs
6. NY Giants-playoffs
7. Jacksonville-no playoffs
8. Cleveland-no playoffs
9. Pittsburgh-playoffs
10. New Orleans-no playoffs
11. Arizona-playoffs
12, Green Bay-no playoffs
So we see 7 of the top 12 pics of a reputable mag failed to make the postseason, and 5 did.
Awful.
Thats what “talent” gets you kids. You might as well flip a coin, you’d have a better success rate.
Heres some other notable projected 2008 records from this rag (remember, virtually nobody would have disagreed with these going into 08):
Miami: 3-13
Baltimore: 5-11
Atlanta: 3-13
And those are just some of the extreme outlyers. If I listed all the teams they were “only” off say 4 games on, like Tennessee projected 8-8 actual 12-4, we’d be here all day.
Basically blind chance would do you exactly as well as this magazine in predicting the NFL for the most part.
But
I bet all those 3-13-to-playoff teams DID have new coaching staffs and OC’s and DC’s..
I bet, I bet they did..
2nd Year
It seems to me that in a lot of cases, the new coaching staff does well it’s first year, but then falls a bit the 2nd year when everyone figures out what they’re doing. The best coaching staffs know how to adjust and continue with success. Most can’t and you see a many a team do well with a new coaching staff in their first year, and then do poorly their second year.
Garret was figured out this season, especially towards the end. If he can adjust the Cowboys will be successful and he’ll be a head coach. If he doesn’t adjust, he’ll be relegated to a QB coach for the rest of his coaching career. Next season will be a turning point for a lot of people at Valley Ranch.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jan 17, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Well...
32 teams , 12 make the playoffs. That’s 3:8. The magazine hit 5 of 12.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
Meh
It’s about 41% for the mag versus 37% for chance I guess. Not a big deal.
You could probably make an stronger argument that Dallas and NE “should” have made the playoffs, NE with the Brady injury..greatly increasing the mag’s percentage, still, I’d be skeptical altogether.
Sure, there appears to be some team momentum from season to season here..but surprisingly little.
Also
NE went 11-5 with a backup QB. Im pretty sure that Tom Brady was worth at least one win to get them to 12-4. Seattle was RAVAGED by injuries to their WR corps and Hasselbeck. And if I would have seen that I would have wondered how Cleveland was ranked above any of those teams in the top 12. But lets say the Pats were the only team that changed. So 6 out of 12
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I would expect Dallas, NE, and GB
to be back in the playoffs next year.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
You are probably right
Honestly the biggest question mark is Dallas in that trio.
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Easier division
But injuries destroyed their defense last year. One step back, two steps forward is how I think the team progresses with Aaron Rodgers.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Micheal Cave
You could also say “well San Diego barely made the playoffs, so they didn’t deserve to”.
As far as Cleveland, remember they were considered a young team on the come before this year, I think they were 10-6 in 07.
A fluky 10-6
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Not sure if he is affordable.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
If TO is gone...
…then what you get is what they have. No more, No less.
I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.
$$$
They’d pay TO close to $10 Mil NOT to play, and Jerry says that could hamper whether or not they can sign Ware to a big, new deal. If things are that tight, I doubt they’d have the coin for TJ.
by Oddibe McBen on Jan 17, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Next Year
Next year there will be no salary cap. If they could back end that contract couldn’t they sign him? We also need a playmaking safety next season as well.
by Monkey Brain on Jan 18, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Campo
is a passable asst. just not a good HC. Honestly, my dream set up would be Phillips at DC, Martz at OC and Cowher as the HC. It will never happen but hey i can dream ha.
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
When Campo coordinated a 4-3 in the late 90s
He got a lot out of pretty average talent.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
True
probably should have use good as opposed to passable. Having Campo at his role this year was a plus for the team. Having him at DC wouldnt be the worst thing in the world at all. Think the cowboys will stay with the 3-4? Seems like they have to because of the personnel.
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
They'd definitely stay 3-4
Only question is how much Campo has mastered the scheme, at least to the extent that he’d be needed to if Phillips is the true strategic DC. I’d rather consider the scenario of who to hire once Shanahan is HC, whether you could recruit a Capers or whether Campo could handle a 3-4 all by himself, etc.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I still think we end up with Fischer.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
why do you think hes gonna leave tenn?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 17, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Can't stay there forever.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
if Martz was OC
then Romo would absolutely get killed back there. With Martz, all he ever does is leave the 5 linemen to block, and sends everyone else out on a pattern. With how bad the Cowboys o-line is at pass protection, Romo would get hit every play like he was in the Giants game, and with the amount of pass rushers in this division- Taylor, Osi, Tuck, Cole, etc.- that would not be a recipe for success.
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
I still think
the o-line is good but it really hurt when kosier was injured. Proctor was terrible. I know that isnt all of it but i think when the o-line is completely healthy it is very good.
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Martz and Cowher
Clash.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Most likely
i just put together a video game type of coaching staff basically. I was really pleased with Phillips when he took over the D. I think he is a better indian than a chief. i do think that something needs to happen on offense. Either the system wasnt good or the players werent. You either have to change the system or overhaul the personnel.
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I think with, like you said above, with a healthy offensive line
Then also Barber and Jones back, as long as Romo is the Tony I know, then we should be fine on offense. To me our biggest needs are at Saftey and backup QB. Flozell, one year older, does scare me a bit. I wonder if a move to LG is plausible..
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I agree about safety and backup QB
although I think a young WR is a necessity as well.
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
This draft is ripe with WR's
Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, Hakeem Nicks.. We may be able to snag one of those if we can get back in the 1st round.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Phillips is my choice for DC
I agree about Cowher but it won’t happen. I think Shanahan would be good for our offense etc, but I’m not sure this isn’t as much of a pipe dream as yours
Wait 'til the year after next
Is there precedent?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Cowher
not sure how good he really is. Look at what Tomlin’s doing. Their personnel dude, however, not bad…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
The Wrestler
um
cowher did pretty well when he was there too
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
yeah, you didn't get it
point being, looks like any decent coach can win with that team.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
The Wrestler
players don't just forget how to play.
we’ll see how things look in 2 years.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Look what Barry Switzer did his 1st 2 years.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Rams hires Spags
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I know, one to many s’
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
smart move by the Rams
Honestly, I have no idea why they would have even considered hiring Garret, an offensive guy, when your clear problem for years has been on Defense.
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
You don't have to hire a head coach with the idea
that he’s being brought in to fix a side of the ball. In fact, it often doesn’t work out.
Look at the Giants versus the Browns and Bengals.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Billick with the Ravens is the perfect example.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
not really
he ended up winning a Super Bowl and did have 4 playoff teams
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
The point is
He was suppose to be an offensive genius.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Right
the team had defensive personnel, and that carried them the entire time of Billick’s tenure and this year. His background as an offensive guru sounded great, but it never worked really out, even when they won the SB.
There are roughly as many great offenses and defenses who have coaches who specialize on the other side of the ball as there are those who specialize on that side. Coaching certainly matters, but you have to have personnel to win, and being a good all around HC and spending the required amount of time to essentially be a coordinator is very difficult.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 18, 2009 5:32 AM CST up reply actions
Well
It just matters whos the playcaller.
So many great OC’s and DC’s become head coaches, then they turn over their specialty playcalling to an assistant who may or may not be worth a crap.
Unless you’re in the local market, it’s usually not easy to know whos calling plays for a certain team anyway. Like, does Whisenhunt or Todd Haley call em in AZ? I’m pretty sure it’s Whisenhunt because I saw him carrying around the playcard once, but bottom line is I dont really know. Similar with Kubiak and Shanahan in Houston.
Exactly what happened with Wade Phillips and Brian Stewart, Phillips is a proven DC, but it didnt mean anything because he let Stewart call the plays until halfway through this year, and our defense pretty much sucked.
Someone who thinks that play calling matters and the role of head coach doesn’t won’t understand the Cowboys’ struggles late in the season.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 18, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions
Promoted out of a job.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
i liked grand torino much more
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 17, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
How about Ben Button?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Also I am glad to see Josh Daniels out of NE..
That could be a HUGE blow to them..could be the end of the NE dynasty as we know it.
Eh
We’ve already had this exchange, but while it could certainly impact their offensive explosiveness, much of their “dynasty” took place under other OCs. Belichek has a great talent for hiring excellent coaches and helping them to maximize their ability while on his staff.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 18, 2009 5:28 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I said it would end after Weis too, but then Josh Daniels came along.
Theres no law that says when you replace a great OC, you might not just get another great OC, obviously.
My fear is Belichick know how important it is. I say fear cus I really dislike the Pats.
Still, just going from “great” to “good” OC would end the Pats dynasty, and how long can Belichick keep hitting “great” ones? Surely not forever. So I think the Daniels loss does mean the end of the Patriots.
Jerry Jones seems to have figured it out with the Cowboys. IF Ray Sherman had become the OC, I dont think he would have last 3-4 games before Jerry would have removed him. However, that probably would have shot the season anyway.
BTW
Belichick sucked in Cleveland Zywica..
People sweep that under the rug..
Belichick is as good as his coordinators, like every other HC.
I can't believe I'm
trying to have a discussion with Sharky again about football, ugh. Belicheck didn’t have the personnel component in Cleveland, but whatever, no point in trying to discuss it with you.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 18, 2009 6:55 AM CST up reply actions
rigghhhhht
he doesnt have personnel in ne either. brady left and it didnt matter.
he’ll prolly far pretty far this season, then you can say he didnt have personell again.
I mentioned Daniels but far that matter Spagnula could be as big a blow to the Giants.
Err
“fall pretty far”
NE may well suck this year, then you can say he doesnt have personnnel again, since it’s meaningless.
It's impossible to argue with people...
If you say “who has great talent” before the year and that team ends up sucking, they’ll just say “well, their was offensive line injuries” or some stupid shit.
Of course theres always tons of key injuries on every NFL team every single year.
Also
If you’re going to give belichick all the credit in NE and say he’s a great coach, why doesnt he get the blame in Clev?
That makes no sense.
Now you’ll say “well, NE has a great GM”.
Right, like theres 3 GM’s anybody cares about in the NFL. Actually there’s zero.
And that NE GM..
He went to another team..
And they’re prolly gonna suck..
And then you’ll say they dont have a coach..
Or whatever..
It’s like global warming mythers, where all weather phenomenon is evidence of global warming…
BTW
Sorry to pull a “crazy sharky” and make my 8th consecutive reply to myself but..
Did Atlanta have the “personnel component” this year? Coming off 3-13 or whatever?
How about Miami? 1-15, good personnel?
What I mean about GW mythers is how they say, when it’s hot it’s GW, when it’s cold it’s GW, when there’s more hurricanes it’s GW, when there’s less hurricanes it’s GW..when there’s more weather volatilit it’s GW, when theres less it’s GW..
I’ve literally run into some online (most on LSB, I think) that literally, will tell you that. With a straight face.
Or as good as his QB
He wasn’t exactly good in NE before Brady.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
His name is
Josh McDaniels, by the way.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 18, 2009 6:53 AM CST up reply actions
St louis hires a coach
Another Garett job down..
Have to wonder how things are playing out there, and if the rumors of TO or Garrett being unable to coexist any longer are true..
But I think
With Stewart gone, a full season of Wade or Campo running the D, and Garrett back, if all those come to pass, I think we will make a real good run.
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