Saturday a.m. things
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2009 8:57 AM CST
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PrintRichard Durrett has an article up saying that infield experience will be an issue for the Rangers next year, since Ian Kinsler is the only expected starter who has started a half-season's worth of games in the majors at his position.
Of course, everyone except Michael Young has a pretty substantial amount of experience at his respective position...Chris Davis and Elvis Andrus just haven't spent much time in the majors.
Sean McAdam has an article up about Boston owner John Henry meeting with Jason Varitek, and mentions (once again) that the BoSox want Jarrod Saltalamacchia, but aren't going to deal Clay Buchholz to get him.
Richie Whitt compares the Rangers having the #1 farm system in baseball (according to BA) to the Cowboys celebrating a decent practice squad. Because, yeah, that's the same thing.
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When Boston gets a catcher it will end
Until then, tiring or not, its fair game.
I don’t believe for a minute they will go with the catching situation they have right now. The varitek meeting yesterday was called by varitek, not the sox, and the owner said it “went ok”, doesnt sound like thats necessarily going to happen.
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At this point...
….I’m really just interested to see how many dollars Varitek’s decision is going to cost him. Everything else makes me very tired.
by FuturePants on Jan 17, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously
I hope his penchant for mediocrity gets dragged through the press the way Michael Young’s has for the last several days.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 17, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
something strange
if this were any other player/agent combo, the story would be that the player was delusional and his greed is going to come back and bite him in the ass.
because it is Boras, the blame seems to be completely off of Varitek and the story is Boras gave terrible advice (at least on this board, that is the story).
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Of course
let’s not forget the city, either. Meeting with the owner? Grief.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 17, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
More like if a college player could commit to the cowboys in his freshman year
And the cowboys had the best group of those guys. Which would generate a lot of excitement.
The practice squad is…. AAA players over 26.
I know the redsox have turned down salty for buchholz, but I’d like to know if the rangers have ever offered salty and a 2nd tier pitching prospect for him or some other kind of package.
And seriously, doesn’t ben sheets have to sign SOMEWHERE soon? Its january 17th!
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+3
but especially on the salty thing. youd have to think buchholz isnt untouchable with all the pitchers they have. a deal should be work out-able
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 17, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
To turn this logic around...
Because Texas has plenty of pitching prospects, do you guys think that Feliz is moveable or expendable (in the abstract)? Everything I’ve read here would suggest “no.”
Teams will keep their top rated player and attempt to deal from the “bottom of the deck” as much as possible. If the Sox have decided that Salty is not worth Buchholz, the fact that they have lesser pitching prospects or veterans on short make good deals available won’t change their assessment of that value.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
I think organizational depth at a position may not change your value of a player
But it allows you to trade him at that value.
And im not suggesting the sox would be wrong to turn down a salty+ deal, i think that would be the likely result. I was just wondering what the rangers might have tried or could conceivably be some kind of option.
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I’d be interested in that as well, but given the lack of talks (or rumors of talks) it really seems like JD isn’t interested in moving off his original demands. If that’s the case it looks like he’s just going to assume that the Sox have to come to him and that he’s not going to meet them halfway (or a quarter of the way, or whatever).
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Boston Arrogance
See this is the traditional Boston arrogance i hate.
JD and the Rangers have to meet the demands of Boston and meet what they want. Not the other way around.
Hilarious
The problem with that
is the Red Sox aren’t willing to meet halfway either. There is apparently the same offer out there that the Rangers have said no too and aren’t willing to add anything. If they aren’t willing to give a high ceiling talent, they’ll need to offer a strong package which they haven’t yet done.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
How would Boston do that?
Given that we don’t know the ins and outs of the negotiations, I haven’t seen anything that suggests that JD is even listening to counter offers (or counter- counter offers). As a purely hypothetical example:
Theo: “We’re interested in trading for Salty.”
JD: “We want Clay Buchholz or 2 of Masterson/ Bowden/ Hagadone”
Theo: “We think that’s too much, we’re prepared to offer Bowden and Bard.”
JD: “No, we want Buchholz or 2 of M/B/H”
Now I don’t think it matters who starts the conversation, as long as the end point is the same. No major league GM will continue a negotiation along these lines because it’s not a negotiation. If Theo makes an offer and JD just says “no” that ends the conversation; it does not encourage Theo to come back with another offer, it means they stop talking (which seems to be where we are now).
Within the context of “meeting half way” it’s only with the idea that JD would add talent to Salty (be it Main, Poveda, or Moscoso) to acquire Buchholz. I have yet to see a single report that JD would even consider adding to Salty to get Buchholz, have you?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Theo and JD seem to have a good relationship
Or at least one that doesn’t see the two have any real problems.
From what it looks like, JD has told Theo what type of value he wants in a deal for Salty and Theo hasn’t been willing to come close to matching that. The rumors haven’t changed much since the talks started with Bowden/Bard still being pretty much what the Red Sox are offering if not something worse than that. If the Red Sox are really interested in Salty and don’t want to give up Buchholz, Hagadone, or Masterson, then they are the ones that will have to add something to a package of Bowden and Bard to get him. I don’t see why JD has to lower his demands and cave in to what Theo is offering. Either Theo has to add to his package of Bowden/Bard or he has to be willing to trade the other pitchers.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
the two situations arent logically equivalent
boston has an established rotation with elite talent and good depth. feliz’s ‘untouchable’ label comes largely from our organization’s dearth of elite ML starters and historic ineptitude at developing and graduating such talent, combined with his temporal position on the ‘prospect arc’. likewise, it is buchholz’s own prospect arc that makes these trade discussion even possible. i’m not saying he should be swapped for a bag of balls, but surely there is some combination of salty + [Rangers pitching prospect] that would net Buchholz, and I join DShepp in my curiosity over who that pitcher might be.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 17, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that Texas should be able to add something to Salty that would get Buchholz. However I think that player would need to be someone like Main (high upside, but far away). From reading LSB I think most here wouldn’t make that deal and think adding Hurley/ Harrison would get it done. Since both of those guys are probably behind Bowden, or comparble to him at best, I don’t think that’s enough.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
I agree
I think to get Buchholz they’d need to add a pretty high ceiling low A/High A arm such as main. Personally I wouldn’t do that because i’d rather have salty AND main than buchholz but it wouldnt be an unreasonable deal.
I’d take 2 of Masterson,Bowden and Bard and call it a day.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
I don't do a Salty + Main for Buchholz
no way.
Buchholz struggled mightily last year and there are questions about his mental makeup.
I may go with a
Poveda + Salty
Buchholz + another
Wait 'til the year after next
salty +poveda
should be plenty for buccholz
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Poveda
I think think he’s as high of a ceiling that would be needed to make a deal work.
I still wouldnt do main + salty, but i think thats more of what it would take.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
Yeah, I wouldn't do it either
1st RD P’s edict, aside.
I wonder how Salty + Poveda / Moscoso would be received.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 17, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
That should read
I don’t think he’s got a high enough ceiling to be an addon for the B-man.
BUT could be a starting point.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
i think main is where the discussion starts
but youre right most of us as well as the organization would probably not make that deal. the question then is whether a beaven or font or perez or kiker or poveda etc. would be enough. there might not be a perfect fit here but id like to see us make a real pitch to pry away buchholz.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
It really depends on what JD and the Texas FO thinks of Buchholz; Texas has the prospects to do it, but I imagine it wouldn’t be pretty…
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
it also depends on what both FOs think about their window of contention
Something (maybe the only thing) that I haven’t seen mentioned in all these talks is what the does the difference between Salty and a replacement level catcher mean to Boston? What I mean is that if Theo values Salty as worth 3-4 wins (as an example, I have no idea) above the other options that he has, doesn’t he have to consider what those 3-4 wins could mean in 2009? Doesn’t he have to ask himself if, considering the ultra competitive nature of the AL East next season, he is ready to hold onto Buchholz, with all his red flags, even if it costs him a postseason shot next season? If the Sox miss out on the playoffs and keep Buch, is that a risk worth taking? My guess is that 3 or 4 wins could easily mean the difference between postseason or no postseason for each of NY, Bos, and TB.
On the other hand, JD has the same type issue to consider. If he is truly placing all his eggs in the 2010 basket, can he really hold back a low-level pitching prospect like Main if it costs him a TORG that will be ready and with ML seasoning during the beginning of this team’s contention window? If he has a shot at a guy that they value as an ace in ‘10 and going forward, is it really worth it to him to decline on the trade because he doesn’t want to give up a teenager that hasn’t made it through the injury nexus that might be ready in 2012?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I like those comparators
There is also a difference in current and future budgets, both for FA types and for Latin and draft signings. Up to now JD has championed (and got) the draft and LAmerica deals he wants, short of Inoa. With little to no wiggle room for FA’s. Present and five year cost/benefits have got to play in this, as well.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 17, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Something (maybe the only thing) that I haven’t seen mentioned in all these talks is what the does the difference between Salty and a replacement level catcher mean to Boston?
This is a good point, but I think the reason that the Sox might not be willing to deal that much is that Salty doesn’t project to be nearly that much better than what the Sox have already in 2009 (using Chone’s 2009 projections and assuming average defense he only projects to be a half win better than Kottaras); he’s a long term project but he won’t be what would push the team into the playoffs.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Yet Again
I suppose according to you Buchholz is a surefire ace…whatever.
Question Saltys value but not the value of the pitcher who sucked it up last year…
God i hate boston fans
He's actually a very level headed guy, from what I can tell.
Certainly he’s one of the more level headed opposing team fans we’ve seen around here.
You, however…
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 18, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the Sox
are looking for a catcher to make them a playoff team. I think they would rather have a catcher with a high upside that they can groom to be their catcher for the next 5 years. Especially, if he is cheap and they can put more money into other chips. Although, I know money isn’t that big of a deal to Boston.
Next Year! We Swear!
sorta
BP has done analysis that shows that including one replacement level player in a lineup can do significant damage over the course of the season. I think the Sox are taking a big gamble by planning to include a replacement level player in their everyday lineup, especially in that division.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
How's that working out for you?
Being so devilishly clever, I mean.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 18, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
It's not that.
It’s just that it’s not very clever.
by brettgardner on Jan 19, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Wrong Comparison
You chose to do that wrong.
The difference is the Red Sox have 3 big time starters already in the ML. Do the Rangers have that same claim?
The situations arent remotely similar. To me this is just traditional Boston/NY arrogance when it comes to baseball
Given the depth Boston has
Why would they want a 2nd tier pitching prospect? They’re going to want upside guys, especially since they’d be giving up an upside guy (Buchholz).
Maybe someone who profiles more as a power reliever than a mediocre starter
A guy like that could help them.
Obviously salty would be the bulk of the value and headliner, im just saying somebody to bridge the gap.
Really im just wondering if he really is untouchable, or the rangers just don’t want to go much higher than salty.
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Maybe someone who profiles more as a power reliever than a mediocre starter
You mean a guy like Daniel Bard? Who they already have?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
I didn't know you could have too many good, cheap relievers.
I’ll make a note of it.
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If it means that you have fewer good, cheap starters, then you probably can.
Who were you thinking of from Texas’s roster?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Moscoso
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 17, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
I admit that I don’t know much about him, but he was only 10th in a pretty bad Tigers system this year (according to BA); he doesn’t look like a very good prospect, and I don’t think the Sox would prefer him over Bard.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Nothing seems good about him
Except some pretty damn good numbers he put up last year.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
he may be now
but he still co-authored one of my favorite books: “The Boys are Back: The Return of The Dallas Cowboys”.
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
concur.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 17, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Another day, another Bucholz is untouchable story in the Boston press
Very predictable.
Seeing the Varitek situation blow up in the face of Boras is very satisfying
What on earth did boras promise varitek
I know the market has developed poorly, but did anyone expect tek to get more than the 10-12 million in arbitration he could have accepted?
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I can only assume boras thought he could get more.
Or maybe he turned it down to try and force the redsox to give him more, i dont know
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
They were probably hoping for a
multi year deal worth at least 12 million plus a lot of incentives.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Boston / Texas Catcher Situation
Lets stop Beating the Dead Horse unless something actually happens
Is it Spring Training Yet?
by SCDP on Jan 17, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
That is awesome
Rec.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Of what? Beating it?
Here all this time, I’ve figured you as a family man …
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 17, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
tired...
i think its pretty predictable at this point that any new england media source is going to say bucholz is untouchable as company line… this is something the red sox have to say… otherwise this deal woulda been done months ago. i think its substantial that JD hasn’t given up and accepted the lesser combo offer which IIRC is any two of masterson, bard, bowden. i think theo ends up going somewhere else to get a catcher. otherwise, he risks getting roasted in the media if a salts/buch deal gets done and salty doesn’t hit immediately, especially after saying for so long that bucholz isn’t touchable….
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
If I’m getting my rumors straight, what you’re calling the “lesser offer” is considered more or less an equal offer to both JD and the Sox FO. It is also as equally “off the table” as Buchholz. A lesser offer would be Masterson or Bowden + Bard.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
I have to think if the BoSox...
upgrade that deal a little and make it Bowden + Hagadone (assuming he is 100% healthy) then that deal would go down. Perhaps not ’til right before Spring Training though as JD will try and hold out for Buchholz as long as he can.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Bowden + Bard
I’m not sure I would mind that, but I’m not sure I would take it. Maybe, If Bard is really as good as he looks. Relievers are huge question marks from year to year. Bowden, I’m not really that high on him. It seems he projects to be more of a #3 – #5 type. The Rangers have a lot of those guys.
Wait 'til the year after next
If they
dealt for bowden and bard id have the same reaction. Wouldnt make me mad, wouldnt make me happy. If Buchholz really does have ace potential then I like the fact we are holding out for him. Because right now if the Rangers have anything it is depth in the system. They have a lot of good pitching prospects. Since that is the case I like holding out for the higher ceiling guy.
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Hagadone is someone the Sox think will be the best of the three. The way Callis ranked him is pretty much based on the Red Sox FO’s opinion of him; I think they’re less likely to deal Hagadone than Masterson.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Well imo...
I think it will take 2 of the 3 of Masterson/Bowden/Hagadone if Theo won’t deal Buchholz, which I don’t believe he will.
If the BoSox won’t deal Buchholz or Hagadone I can’t see a deal getting done. Unless they would do Masterson and Bowden for Salty.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think the values line up as Buchholz = 2 of M/B/H. The Sox will do neither.
They don’t even seem willing to deal Masterson, which I personally don’t understand.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
I don't either
If, has been suggested, Masterson, Buchholz, Bowden, and Hagadone are all off-limits, I’m not sure how they expect to be able to get Salty or Teagarden.
Bard and Delcarmen? That’s not going to get it done.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t think Bowden is off limits; I’ve seen reports from Boston papers that the Sox would like to do Bowden + Bard for Salty but that they won’t deal Bowden for Montero.
I haven’t seen much about Hagadone at all; JD asked for him in the “2 of” proposal, but other than that he hasn’t come up much in the Boston press. I think he has the highest ceiling of the 3, but pardon me if I’ve caused confusion between my opinion and what the Sox FO might do.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Well...
if Buchholz = 2 of Masterson/Bowden/Hagadone then I can’t see a deal being done.
I wouldn’t do Masterson/Bowden + Bard and I don’t think the Rangers will either. That would make sense as to why we have heard more about Montero to the BoSox lately.
As AJM states they are going to have to deal quality to get quality. Right now it doesn’t seem like they are willing to do that.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Boston is probably lowerballing Arizona as well
that is why that deal hasn’t gotten done. Boston overhypes and overvalues its prospects to no end. But, they are in a position of power because they don’t need these guys to pan out, they can sign anyone. The Rangers are, also, in a position of power because they have so much talent in their system, and they can hold out for something better than I"m sure the trash that Boston is offering to both AZ and TX.
Wait 'til the year after next
and they can hold out for something better than I"m sure the trash that Boston is offering to both AZ and TX.
Such as?
From Whom?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
If Boston is only offering
a RP prospect and a SP who (I’ll even be nice on this) has a number 3 ceiling, it shouldn’t be too hard t find a comparable offer from some other team. If not now, then before the trade deadline.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
But will you get a better offer?
Which is kind of the point. Can you name a team that needs a starting catcher and will be willing to give up a young arm who profiles as a #1/2 starter? (They should probably also be in contention, otherwise why would they feel compelled to make a deal?)
The only other team I can think of that has a real need at catcher right now is the Marlins.
You can always hope for an injury, but it seems like a real long shot that a contending team will lose it’s franchise catcher and will match up well and then agree to negotiate “under duress.” (And when was the last time an injury trade like that went down?)
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
The Rangers don't...
feel like they have to trade a catcher now. They got rid of Laird and that was enough. I’m pretty sure they will be content to have TT and Salty split the time at the ML level and have MaxRam work on his defense all year in AAA.
They aren’t going to deal either TT or Salty unless they are overwhelmed and Bowden + Bard doesn’t overwhelm JD or I’d have to think it would have ben done by now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Maybe they'll both
get hit by a bus tomorrow, and this incessant conjecture will end.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Here's the thing
How does it benefit the Rangers to blink and give in to Boston’s demands rather than take a similar offer or one that is better from somewhere else?
As for who might be looking to trade for a catcher and what better offer might be out there, as you mentioned, I think the Marlins are the best bet. It seems like the Marlins want one of Teagarden and Salty with Ryan Tucker’s name being mentioned to come here as part of a deal. I’m sure you can get at least a similar value deal from them for Salty. And Salty’s value isn’t just to competing teams next year. I think you can have teams like Kansas City and Washington try to make a trade for Salty for right now and since he is controlled for another 5 years. New York remains among the list of possible destinations for Salty. I think teams like the White Sox, Brewers, Toronto, and Cinncy might have interest with their questionable catching situations. Although I haven’t really looked at all of their catching prospects so I’m not sure which teams might have something else planned as their future.
There are always injuries each year. I’m not worried about that not happening. The question is will that team want to go out and make a trade for another catcher. If the price tag is still a top of the rotation starter, I can see it not happening. But if Texas is kicking themselves for not accepting Boston’s deal, they can probably go out and get some similar talent at that time which would still probably be selling Salty short.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Unless Saltalamacchia struggles again
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
If you believe that will happen
then jump all over the crap deals Boston is offering. I’m confident enough in Salty to take that risk that his value won’t be as high during the season.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I don't really consider...
…Bowden and Bard for Salty to be a “crap deal.”
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, its not crap
It isn’t something that special though where Texas couldn’t find a similar offer somewhere else.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
It isn’t something that special though where Texas couldn’t find a similar offer somewhere else.
Again, where? Who do you see beating that offer?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
I think if you actually go through and look at each team who might need a catcher and who also has pitching to deal and you’ll find that the chances of finding a deal to your liking are going to be pretty slim.
It’s easy to say there’s a better deal out there, but I think if there were another team that valued Salty above the Sox’s deal, JD would probably already have that offer in hand.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Its not just a better deal
I’m not saying I can point out to a perfect scenario where there’s a better deal out there. I think only Florida could easily top a Red Sox offer. What I’m saying is that there are going to be similar offers out there from those teams. The problem is that JD doesn’t view what the Red Sox are offering as good value for the Rangers and likely isn’t seeing a similar offer from another team as better. But why is it that JD should agree to a Bowden/Bard deal over other ones he could get now or at some point in the 2009 season? Instead of giving in to Boston’s demands, he could just take another team’s top offer. And since he has apparently turned down deals for Bowden twice before, I think he is more likely to go down that route rather than take Bowden the third time around.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Arrogant...
God do you ever stop?
I suppose unless JD and the rangers bend over and let Boston fuckem you would think the rangers are just being mean
I know this is a difficult concept for red sox fans but you CAN demand whatever the hell you want but it WONT get done.
If Boston isnt willing to make a fair deal they can just shut the fuck up and get over it.
honestly
what we got for Laird in Moscoso and Melo can be considered almost as good as what Boston is offering for a much higher ceiling catcher under control for 5 years. Why would we take that? I wait to see whats out there during the season.
I bet the Yanks would be willing to make a deal once Posada gets hurt again.
Next Year! We Swear!
i don't think posada is their starting catcher
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Then who is?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Jose
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Molina?
Then may the Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on our souls.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
me either
would you say that Bowden + Bard would be equivalent to something like Hurley and Madrigal value wise?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
No
Bard > Madrigal
Hurley and Bowden…it depends. I think Bowden is generally more highly regarded right now, but that’s something where they are close and I think folks could go either way.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 17, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
bard - mad dog
I don’t know, Bard is one season removed from giving up a walk per inning and posting an ERA of 6+ in A-ball. Madrigal has at least proved that he can survive the big leagues and has a good bit of ceiling left to reach IMO.
But on the other hand, Bowden’s track record looks quite a bit better than Hurley’s right now.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Apparently the switch to the pen kind of cleared up some of his mental/ confidence issues (but those issues are what keep a player with his stuff from being thought of as a potential closer). Instead he’s stuck with the Kyle Farnsworth comp.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
So are you fine with that deal?
Adding another Hurley to the rotation and a good RP, but one who isn’t likely to be in the top tier of RP. I think that is an underwhelming offer.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I guess I'm going to cop out
If Bowden is ready to step into a ML rotation and has a good chance of becoming a #3 type starter, then yeah, I’d take that (plus Bard) for Salty. Hard for me to be committal because I just don’t know enough about Bowden to assume that is the case. My guess is that the Rangers would take 6 years of a #3 starter for Salty, but they don’t see Bowden as being that.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
That's how I see it
If you are talking about a guy who is more likely to be a number 4 starter or worse, that deal doesn’t look so good on getting value for one of the top young catchers around (tough to call him a prospect still, but its tough to group him in with the Major Leaguers too).
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Varitek reaching out like this reminds me of ARod going to Steinbrenner when he found no one was willing to give Boras what they wanted. Take Boras out of it, and and have the player appeal directly to ownership in the hopes of getting a deal done.
Also, for those who are interested, on the most recent Baseball America Podcast (on the prospects in the NL East) JJ Cooper and John Manuel talk about the Texas catcher to Boston trade possibilities. Their take is interesting, and mirrors a lot of what has been written on LSB.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Around where in the podcast?
I clicked around and couldnt find it. Listening to the AL West one now though.
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The new one on the NL East. IIRC they cover two NL East teams and slide into it for maybe 5 minutes before going on to the rest of the NL East.
It did catch me a bit off guard, but they’re talking about how they’re trying to answer more questions sent to the podcast.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
thanks
yeah i understood the nl east part, just meant I couldn’t find it clicking through at random points and didn’t want to listen to the whole thing to find it so I was listening to the al west in the meantime.
the lavish praise of feliz/holland/smoak and andrus was quite nice to hear.
but yeah thanks for the time on the catcher bit, ill listen to that now.
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Practice Squad in Football vs. a Baseball Farm System
LMFAO…good lord, do these people know anything about baseball. Unlike the other sports, when you draft someone, you can’t just throw him in the lineup. At least that is very, very rare.
A good farm system is one of the most important parts of baseball. A good practice squad means nothing.
Wait 'til the year after next
Your
sn = what they know about baseball :-)
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Us trumpeting our farm system is like the Cowboys trumpeting a ridiculously deep draft class in the summer.
The help is coming.
The practice squad thing is just stupid.
There’s no other word for it.
I don’t know who that idiot is, but he’s just made the list.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
What list is that, dirk?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
I like it!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Contracts...
so lets assume this thing starts out a lil slow this year (very possible) but then gets going a bit and it looks like we have something. Do we start locking up all these guys as they come up and succeed (assuming they do)? Very similar to what the Rays are doing. I know this is premature but ive always thought that timing on these things was very important. Try to get Chris Davis to accept a longoria-esque deal (doubtful with boras).
Not really doubtful
You lock up a player for an extra couple of years past FA and the player gets a good deal of money guaranteed no matter what. Given what we’ve heard from Davis, I think that if the Rangers offered him a deal that has him wearing a Texas uniform through at least age 30, he’d be taking it. They probably are waiting on this to see what happens with Smoak and to try and decide if they want to keep both long-term.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I expect either
Smoak or Davis to eventually be traded. A team friendly contract that buys out a year or two of FA would only increase Davis’ value.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I have this ghost of a thought
That if Smoak rockets up the system and proves out at the MLB level, he might (dear God I hope not) switch agents to Boras – the maximize your payday opportunity trend. One reason it may not be eventually wise to worry about Boras being Davis’ agent.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 17, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think about
that happening all the time. With all our good players that aren’t currently represented by him.
I guess it depends on the players makeup. I’m sure some don’t care for his rep, either.
I do, however, love your idea of finding him a team to buy.
Some of the responses to Whitt
Whittisadumbass says:
Yeah, a NFL practice squad is the same thing as a farm system in baseball. The idiocy level in this post is amazing.
Posted On: Saturday, Jan. 17 2009 @ 10:06AM
Suck it says:
Wow…your ignorance is astounding. By equating the Rangers #1 farm system to an NFL practice squad shows how absolutely uninformed and out of touch you are when it comes to baseball.
Posted On: Saturday, Jan. 17 2009 @ 10:44AM
i wonder if either of those is off of here….
and whitt’s response…..
Richie Whitt says:
Dudes, it’s called a sense of humor. Get one. You really think I seriously equate an NFL practice squad with a baseball farm system? If you honestly think I’m that retarded, I don’t know why you’d ever come back in here. If you haven’t noticed, not every line of every post in The Sportatorium is hard-core, do-or-die x’s and o’s. Deal with it.
Posted On: Saturday, Jan. 17 2009 @ 11:44AM
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
Next question
Why does he think it’s a humorous comment? Doesn’t humor usually have some sort of poignant aspect? The only way his comment would have been funny is if he were mocking another media member’s grasp of the situation.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 17, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Just in case anybody else was wondering ...
… the word “poignant” appears only 20 times in the LSB archives.
Little bit of free time on your hands today?
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
That's a sexual euphemism, right? It's gotta be.
Don’t worry, E-Cart.
The little blue pill will kick in soon enough.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
the exact quote
*While the Rangers raise a banner for having good prospects in Arlington, despite all their failures the Cowboys still haven’t stooped to celebrating a decent practice squad. Can you imagine?
Sorry, Dick – not buying it. It’s not really funny unless you are actually trying to make the comparison. As it stands, it’s a pretty stupid stretch that just makes you look like a dumbass.
BTW, I don’t really see the Rangers raising a banner. I think JD has mentioned but only in response to questions about it but it’s not like it’s the Rangers new slogan. We, as fans, have been happy about it and that’s it.
And, I’m pretty sure Jerry did tout the youngsters with the early 1989, 1990 Cowboys when he wanted us to overlook the W-L record because the Cowboys had good rookies.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
What
will all these guys have to write about if all of this talent puts up a 88-92 win season in 2010 and then puts up a Tampa Bay-esque season in 2011? Oh nevermind, that’s right. They will talk about how this whole thing came together with Nolan Ryan started taking control. It is sooooo freaking predictable…
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm already seeing the Nolan slurpers at DMN
readying their typing fingers with glee ready to declare Nolan a hero, despite Blunder Boy’s best efforts.
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
he comes across as a
wanna-be Jim Rome by reading him…what does he sound like?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 17, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
my brief recollection
the couple times I’ve heard him on radio is monotone and boring
Infield "inexperience" =
more veteran leadership = less time for Andrus if Omar’s signed. I could be wrong but that could be the result.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
If Andrus is in the majors, he's playing a ton.
It will be nothing like Laird and Salty.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
he's being brought in as a utility infielder
give him that label and everyone will know their place
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
True
and i really dont think Vizquel is going to come in and think it is his job to beat out Andrus. It will be his job to push Andrus, show him the finer pts of playing SS (when to eat it, angles, positioning), and how to conduct himself properly. This is one of those moves that could pay huge dividends regardless of Vizquel’s numbers.
I know this have been brought up previously but Venezuelaen players really look out for each other. This is probably the perfect opportunity for Vizquel to solidify his place in history.
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
"Conduct himself properly"
I don’t know if vizquel is the guy to do that. His autobiography was kind of classless (calling out Joe Table and Albert Belle). But, even looking at his on field persona, he was pretty understated and never the leader that I think Andrus aspires to be.
No doubt, Andrus could still learn a shit ton from Vizquel’s defensive techniques
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Perhaps
this is how vizquel tries to rectify that. If he takes a contract with the Rangers maybe it is an attempt for Vizquel to leave behind a positive legacy. And you are right about Andrus. I think he wants to be a leader. Wasnt everyone impressed by him last spring training?
by Michael Cave on Jan 17, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
Especially his “my idol is Derek Jeter” line. Everybody LOVES Derek Jeter!
But seriously, the guy wants to be a leader and most leaders don’t really need training to become a leader. Maybe he can learn all the good from Hamilton, Young and remember that as a leader, you gotta put the team over yourself (something he can learn from the Young incident).
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
We need Eddie G back in the locker room.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I don't mind him
coming back to the locker room, I don’t want on the roster.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Why not?
He’s a perfectly acceptable second lefty out of the pen.
I don’t want him closing, naturally.
But if he kicks Willie Eyre or Bannister or some scrub off the 40, who gives a rat tail?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
He could have a greater affect on the future than Bannister or Eyre.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
So?
The Major League bullpen next year will be filled with guys who aren’t part of the future. As much as you may like some of the guys in the bullpen, FX2, Wilson, and maybe Madrigal are the only 3 I would worry about for future plans. Get the most out of the bullpen now and through 2011 or so because after that, the bullpen is going to be where you see the failed SP prospects start moving in. And I’d rather go with the potential guys that don’t make it in the rotation (like Beaven and Feliz for example) then pay arbitration money to the guys we currently have at that time.
Rupe for instance looks like he could be a good arm for this team out of the bullpen and he is a guy many people like and root for. But do you really expect him to be that good in 2011 where it would be worth paying him a few million dollars over the other options arriving at that time?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
"do you really expect him to be that good in 2011"
Thats the point. He (and others) has to pitch in the MLs in order to find out. There are a number of pitchers on the 40 that project to be in the bullpen. The Rangers need to find out if they are keepers before the failed SP prospects move up.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I can tell you the answer right now
They aren’t keepers.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
The only keepers I see in the bullpen
are Wilson, FX2, and possibly Madrigal. The rest of the guys aren’t.
The good pitchers will get their innings next year and we’ll see from there, but I wouldn’t worry about Guardado taking away innings from some other pitcher.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Not like those Columbians. They fucking hate each other.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
heh
I remember reading that. Its just some more proof of how terrible ESPN is at covering sports. I don’t remember hearing one word about those two hating each other before that article and haven’t heard a word since. You’d think Baseball Tonight would spend some time talking about something like that rather than blowing Jeter and the Red Sox for half the show or having John Kruk talk about anything.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Andrus could use some AAA time
its not like he destroyed AA.
32 errors in 109 games and .295/.350/.367 doesn’t scream “ready for majors”
Get off my lawn.
What more offensively can you really expect
.295/.350 sounds about what you’d want at the mlb level from andrus. Of course you could do it at AAA first too and give him a better shot at transitioning well and getting anywhere near that off the bat in the mlb, but im just saying if you wait for a .860 ops from andrus you may be waiting a very long time.
as he matures hopefully he will get some more double power, but we are talking multiple years on that front I’d expect, its not going to appear over a couple months of AAA.
that said, the normal progression would certainly seem to support a year in AAA but oh well
.
the preceding post was a great success.
Andrus in AAA...
I’d say about 2 weeks should do it :)
Really though, I’d like to see him get a couple months worth of AAA ABs
well
i guess the idea is that his power numbers are never going to climb but if he truly is going to be a 300 MLB hitter with modest place discipline, his other numbers should be a bit higher in the minors.
Also, AAA might not be a bad place for him to hone his pitch recognition skills since it is a lot of crafty veterans as opposed to 1-2 pitch pitching prospects with velocity.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
He also has stolen 53 SB at a good rate
His speed will translate pretty well to the Majors which helps him out when you consider that he isn’t 100% there with his bat (still won’t develop much power for a year or two and could just use the added experience).
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Not useless
just not exactly as meaningful as at first glance. Not entirely useless.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Why?
An error’s an error. Sure, his range is certainly an upside but why should errors be discounted in his case? In my mind, a lack of errors doesn’t necessarily equate to good defense but plenty of errors can indicate an issue.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
a couple of reasons
fields are bad, scorekeepers aren’t really that great
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
no context
32 errors in 109 games provides no context. 32 errors in 32 chances is much different than 32 errors in 10,000 chances.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
except
109 games gives you a decent idea on how many chances. It isn’t 32 or 10,000 chances.
It’s almost certainly around 500 chances, or roughly 5 a game. Maybe 4 a game, maybe 6 a game. SS’s dont get 100 chances a game, and it isn’t going to be 1 chance in 3 games.
So to say there is no context is quite simply wrong.
Get off my lawn.
point taken
However, saying his fielding is not ML ready in wrong. From all the reports I have read, his hands a good and his arm is accurate. He needs to concentrate on the routine plays (Kinsler disease) and learn to eat the ball when he doesn’t have a play.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Errors
The way i see it given his range he has the ability to get to more balls to attempt to make more plays. The more balls you get to the more you have a chance to make an error.
Some of the errors I saw him make were because he was trying to make some fabulous play that he probably was better off not trying to make.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
OT: Say it ain't so Garrido
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/011809dnspotexasgarrido.2a3fcce.html
They really need to get better public transportation in Texas. People aren’t going to stop drinking.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
They really need to get better public transportation inTexasAmerica. People aren’t going to stop drinking.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Because I really trust Denton when it comes to transportation...
That thing won’t be done before 2050
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Very true.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
lol
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 17, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
I guess so
I guess I’ve been blessed with living in a few cities with good public transportation (D.C. and Chicago). But even Baltimore at least had lots of taxis that were readily accessible. People have cars but if you’re going out to bars there, you’re probably taking taxis to get there.
I don’t think that is the case in any major Texas city. But, you’re right, most cities in the U.S. have that problem.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Taxis in TX
pretty worthless. You’d have to call in about a day ahead of time and say “I plan to be really drunk tomorrow about midnight…”
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Yeah. Thats the ticket
Drunks do real smart things like get on a bus when they are drunk instead of driving
Not prejudging his guilt but if he is guilty I would just as soon Deloss fire him. I expect coaches gone wild behaviour from places like OU, not at Texas
?
?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Surely you jest
Hasnt OU been on probation seventy jabillion times? Arent they on probation now because Kelvin Sampson couldnt follow even the simplest rules? Didnt a former head coach sleep with the wife of one of his assistant coaches? Didnt the Sooners express their outrage over that by naming a building on campus after him? What a cesspoll that abomination of a school is.
Yes and UT is perfect right?
Sampson would have got into trouble no matter where he was at see Indiana. So the UT coach gets a pass for driving drunk just because he is employed at UT?
Miami bound...
Point taken
But to throw a blanket and say it is at just one school is blind to the situation. Every school has it’s share of screw ups not just OU.
Miami bound...
you're saying people shouldn't get drunk at all?
I think most people can get drunk and take buses and taxis home. Or, you can tell bartenders to make sure their patrons take taxis home. You’re not a complete imbecile when you’re drunk (or over the legal limit) but when the alternative is to leave your car at a bar and call and wait for a taxi, most drunk people over the legal limit are going to chance it.
It’s such an endemic problem that I don’t understand why we as a society don’t really try to address the real reason drunk driving keeps happening.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I think a lot of people get drunk and then drive home.
The number of people who drive home drunk never ceases to astound me.
I’ve never done it once in my life. If I think I’m even close I get a ride some other way. I think it’s incredibly selfish. You’re putting everyone else’s lives at risk, and for what?
If you don’t have enough money to pay for a fracking cab, you don’t have enough money to be out drinking.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 18, 2009 4:35 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know why.
I think you should root for the Yankees, they got a whole new stadium and a bunch of new players.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
+1
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
+3
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 17, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
+4
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Funny. So no one here gets frustrated at all with the Rangers? Everything is just roses?
No one said I was going to stop rooting for them. I am just trying to temper my expectations, etc. for the Rangers. I guess I am the only one who feels this way. You guys rock.
Geez
Everyone here gets frustrated with the Rangers at some point or another. But around here, we also realize there are positives, most importantly the farm system. The average fan unfortunately can’t really be expected to know it, but this team has more than enough talent in it’s system right now for a very bright future.
The Rangers are indeed a frustrating team historically, but sitting around and bitching about it accomplishes nothing but driving yourself (and others) crazy. Personally I don’t see how people can claim to truly love a team if all they’re going to do is tear it down.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
For myself
My expectations are certainly tempered for 2009, but in the big picture, if the team is well managed, there is quite a bit to be excited about. They have the positional core in place with promising players close to the majors at the remaining couple of positions that they need. They have the best group of pitching prospects that they organization has probably ever had, but at least since the mid-80s, and a few of the best are knocking on the door too. If they could sneak up and get a Sheets type and have the signing work out, it’s a pretty exciting situation, certainly the most promising of the professional teams in our area (though the Stars do maintain a pretty solid core).
I think that every single Rangers fan is equally frustrated about that Young/Gonzalez trade three years ago and the way that Danks’ and McCarthy’s careers have gone the last two years. And it’s been a long time since they were a real threat to go to the playoffs. But while the frustration from past struggles is there and there is an awareness that 2009 probably will not be the year that they make their move to near the front of the AL standings, it’s also hard to be too frustrated with a franchise that is more on the right track than it has been in a long, long time.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 19, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions
Yuppers.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
This isn't bad for a second comment.
If you give this rebuilding thing a chance, your 100th comment will be 100 times better.
Boston/Texas tidbit I saw on SoSH
"Rob Bradford had an interesting tidbit on the radio Saturday morning. He said that ex-Ranger pitcher Wes Littleton was asked last week which player was the better receiver to throw to, Teagarden or Saltalamacchia?
Wes said Saltalamacchia."
the preceding post was a great success.
That's because Salty's the man
and everyone should know it.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Memories
Light the corners of my mind
Misty water-colored memories
Of the way we were
"There's a bailout coming but it's not for you." -- Neil Young
these are the days of our lives?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Those were the days
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
that comment from Littleton
may be his most valuable contribution to the Rangers.
But seriously, the Atlanta pitchers seemed to all be pretty vocal about his receiving and game calling skills.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
OT: OCD SS
I have really enjoyed having him around here, giving some perspective to these Boston-Texas trade talks. He seems extremely knowledgable, and eager to engage in legitimate discussions and he has provided some insight into the Sox front office that I wouldn’t have been exposed to if he hadn’t dropped in.
It’s starting to piss me off that some of the dumbasses around here are getting mouthy and treating him like a troll, because that is far from the truth. I feel he has contributed far more to this board than about 3/4 of the regulars, and I wished that he was treated a little more respectfully.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Concur...
and sorry for my lack of contribution. I’ll try harder.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
not you slc
I generally enjoy your non-Ute posts ;)
I thought it was pretty obvious that I was primarily referring to this ‘whorns310’ guy, and a few others.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Horns130 is just hung over & pissy
because his hero got busted.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Texas Baseball
I honestly dont even follow UT baseball that closely. I am however unhappy with the incident that occurred. I have yet to post on any site my opinions on the matter since I think a story like that needs to unwind a bit before too many conclusions are reached.
The Boston story and Boston fans/media on the other hand has a large, well written book that needs no further discussion.
Here
While I agree that I was being harsh, I cant stand red sox fans and i live in a family of them. They always act arrogant and just think that they are all that matters in the baseball world.
Also, pardon me for stating facts. Both he and the Boston media have basically said Texas should just take it up the ass so that Boston can get a catcher…wtf?
Lets see, he says we’re insane for asking for Buchholz. We should be happy to take that #3 starter for him. We should be happy to take a bullpen arm for him.
He ignores every fault that buchholz has. Yet again, pardon me for calling him out on that bullshit. Im just tired of hearing it.
A deal hasnt been done with Boston b/c this is how they act. So ill say it again. Fuck Boston
You mean it's not accepted fact that Buchholz is a sure 1st ballot HOFer?!?
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that that is not the consensus view. I mean, most reasonable fans I know think he will be the first player unanimously elected by the BBWA…
On a more serious note, the reason I started posting on LSB was because I’m fascinated by the entire Texas/ Boston trade (especially since it seems that two teams that on paper match up so well together can’t get a deal done) and I think I learn a lot by listening to what some of the opposing fanbase might think.
My opinion is my own, so don’t take it as the standard for Red Sox fans everywhere. I can offer what I think Theo and the rest of the Sox FO might be thinking, but even that is still just my opinion on that topic. Reasonable people can obviously disagree.
I’m a Red Sox fan living in Brooklyn, so I’m familiar with Horn’s level of discourse and can ignore it here just as easily as I do out and about in the real world.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Yah, that guy is the new worst.
Seems like these worsts keep popping here more and more frequently.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 18, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
he has a fairly balanced view of things. While I would agree that the Rangers should aim high in return for Salty in any trade, some here have completely unrealistic notions of his value right now.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Simultaneously
I would like him to admit that Buchholz isnt a guaranteed HOF 12 year AS. Why is it that Boston fans wont admit that aspect.
Therein lies my exact reasons for attacking him and hating all Boston fans
Look...
he has never said that Buchholz is a guaranteed HOFer. He is however a top tier pitching prospect and those are hard to come by. I agree that some BoSox fans over value their players, but many fans over value their teams players. I don’t think that OCD SS has done anything to deserve that 5 post lashing you gave him. As Tricer said he has contributed a lot to realistic scenerios that could happen. They may not be what you want to hear, but the Rangers simply aren’t going to get Buchholz straight up for one of their catchers.
Ease up. I personally want to hear what fans of other teams think and I like it when they post here. If you’re an asshole to them and they stop posting here then that is what pisses off some at LSB and what Tricer was pointing out. The guy isn’t a troll, relax.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
There are a lot of Ranger fans....
…who think that a Salty for Buchholz trade demand is unreasonable.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 18, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Stop it, Trizzle.
You know I hate it when we agree.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 18, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
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