Pie traded for very little
by ericeric on Jan 18, 2009 1:48 PM CST
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Despite being rated as the top prospect in the Cubs' farm system in 2006 and 2007, outfielder Felix Pie never made his mark in Chicago. Now he'll get a chance to make a big-league impact in Baltimore, instead.
The Cubs traded Pie to the Orioles on Sunday for left-handed pitcher Garrett Olson and minor league pitcher Henry Williamson.
Pie, 23, played in 130 major league games for the Cubs the past two seasons. In 2008 he hit .241 with one home run and 10 RBIs in 43 games. Baseball America rated Pie as the Cubs' No. 1 prospect in both 2006 and 2007.
Olson, 25, was 9-10 with a 6.65 ERA in 26 starts for Baltimore last season. In 33 career starts for the Orioles, Olson was 10-13 with a 6.87 ERA.
Talk about waiting a little too long to trade a guy.
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damn
for that price we should of gave him a shot…what would our equivalent have been? something like elizardo ramirez and some scrub minor leaguer?
by dustinvandeman on Jan 18, 2009 1:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kason Gabbard?
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
by chrisR on Jan 18, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats a shame about pie
never really got his shot, a la jason botts (bad ex but the situation was a lot alike)
baltimore has made some pretty not horrible moves recently
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 18, 2009 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
although im suprised they havent moved brian roberts yet
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 18, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson
If Hudson is still available, then the market must be weak for Roberts.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 18, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NL East
is getting tougher and tougher. Baltimore seems to be making some very good moves and has wieters, matusz, and tillman on the horizon. Even the smaller deals they are making look like they will pay off. The rays are AL champs, the Yankees just signed everyone and quietly the Red Sox are stock piling low risk, high reward vet arms.
by Michael Cave on Jan 18, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and toronto isn't a bad team either
Next Year! We Swear!
by NothinG on Jan 18, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure they are...
they just lost Burnett and didn’t really gain anything did they? Marcum is apparently out for the season, McGowan’s out for the first month or two
I mean, I’d love to have Halladay, and David Purcey’s a good looking lefty…they have a pretty nice bullpen…but other than Vernon Wells and Alex Rios, who else on that team would you take over our position players?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 18, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
toronto was probably the best 4th place team ever this last year
its not like they are the pittsburg fucking pirates out there
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 19, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pissed!
I still like Pie and would’ve taken a chance on him.
by Coolbean04 on Jan 18, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who do you drop to make room for him?
You have Byrd, Murphy, Hamilton and Cruz as your 4 outfielders.
Do you make Pie your 5th outfielder, knowing that he’ll hardly ever play (and knowing that you’ve got Boggs and Borbon in AAA waiting for their opportunity)?
Do you just make Pie your starting CF, with Hamilton and Cruz on the corners, and hope he shows something in the first couple of months of the season, while Byrd and Murphy sit on the bench?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 18, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd
I’d look to trade him. He might be a type A and had a solid year. I wonder what kind of player we can get for him? Or maybe what type of player with him and other(s) included?
Could Byrd and a prospect net a nice player to package with Salty to get Clay?
by Coolbean04 on Jan 18, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
u trade boggs or murph
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not like murph walks a ton and we're happy if he hits .280...
pie steals bases and can play an honest rangey CF and can possibly put up a similar BA. he doesnt have murphs power (what does that say?) but he is younger at just turning 23…
if im building for the future, ie not this season competing for a WS, i find pie more appealing…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
He’s just turning 24, not 23.
He’s out of options.
You don’t have anywhere to play him here. I’m not a big Murphy guy, but Murphy is better than Pie.
Pie’s SB% in the minors has been less than 70%.
He’s a terrific athlete who hasn’t shown that he can play baseball — in particular, that he can hit.
He’s Calvin Murray, in essence.
And unless you are going to stick him in CF every day for most of a season, there’s no real point in getting him. And if that’s what you are going to do, there’s no real point in having Borbon and Golson on the 40 man roster.
I just don’t see the point. If you don’t have Borbon, who will likely be starting in CF by season’s end, that would be one thing. But as it is, you have a bunch of OFs hanging around, which makes it kind of silly to get a toolsy can’t hit OFer to bring in and take a flier on, particularly when you are saying you’d have to trade a guy who is cheap and appears to be a very good 4th outfielder in order to take a flier on the young guy that you hope might be a decent 4th outfielder.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 18, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your ignoring that Pie is worth more than Murph
tradewise
(no matter how pathetic that is)
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can apparently get
Olson and Williamson for him.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 19, 2009 2:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so was it a case of overhype with Pie
or is it just that he hasn’t panned out as projected? a # 1 prospect for any organization is saying something…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 18, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he got jerked around
like i said, botts-like – gets up, sits bench for a long time or gets a couple of ABs over 3 weeks and plays as a defensive guy
was mishandled from the start with the cubs
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 19, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
another fast guy who can’t play baseball.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 18, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We just need to let Rudy work with him
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 18, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it worked for Murph...
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, somebody call a fireman! Cause he set the whole world on fire with that .321 OBP last year!!!
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2009 6:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
imagine without Rudy!!!
that obp would be .120.
heh
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 19, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
…trading Boggs doesn’t do much for you, regarding the Pie situation, since Boggs is going to start the season in AAA most likely anyway (barring an injury).
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 18, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which sucks.
I love Boggs. Maybe he could use a few months in AAA, get that hitting eye ready, maybe we find a trade partner for Byrd or Murph, but I’d love to have him as our 4th OFer
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 18, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
I would have taken a shot on him. I would certainly rather give him 400 plate appearances, with Hamilton in RF, than Cruz, who is 28 and has had a total of about one month of success in the major leagues. Cruz shouldn’t be blocking anyone.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 18, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 18, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz, after he was called up in the 2nd half of 2007
.276/.324/.454
That’s success, I think.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 18, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure?
I wouldn’t call a .778 OPS for a 26-year old corner OF playing half his games in TBiA success.
Especially on the heels of the .551 OPS he put in the first half of 2007 when handed a starting job at the beginning of the season.
by Darrell McKown on Jan 18, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Above average RF defender...
…with a 778 OPS, making the league minimum?
Sure.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 18, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to be clear
cruz is a plus plus arm guy, not necessarily a plus defense guy.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but certainly has the range - ability
to be one, and if given regular playing time in the majors, maybe he becomes one.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 18, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
He’s been in the positive on +/- each of the past three years.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 18, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything I've seen/read/heard says different.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 19, 2009 6:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that was 2007
look at his progression and his 2008 numbers. sample size, sample size, sure – I hear you – but you simply HAVE to give him the chance to prove he can or cannot last in a corner OF slot for us. A chance of above average defense, huge power and speed on the basepaths, with improved major league discipline at the plate would be HUGE for us going forward.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 18, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
talk about deja vu
I would think Baltimore would have learned their lesson about toolsy Cubs centerfielders after they traded for Corey Patterson.
by naropean on Jan 18, 2009 2:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That was exactly what my first thought was
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 18, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not like they gave up crap though
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 18, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
bad trade for the Cubs, unless there’s more than meets the eye with regards to Olson. Great chance taken by the Orioles – and with Adam Jones, Pie and Markakis, things could break right giving them a very good outfield. Plus, they have Ryan Freel, which is just a huge benefit for that team…gotta love a hard-nosed player that talks to somebody that isn’t really there…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 18, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Olson traded for every little.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 18, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so the equivalent
of what baltimor gave up would be who? in our organization…
by dangerranger on Jan 18, 2009 6:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Scott Feldman
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 18, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Harrison is pretty comparable
though I think I’d prefer Harrison.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 18, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if that is right....
then id rather have feldman!!!
by dangerranger on Jan 18, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This probably means one of Matusz or Tillman will be breaking camp as an Oriole.
by oc on Jan 18, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's quite a stretch...
Matusz has yet to throw a professional inning, so that’s out of the question. Tillman has yet to throw an inning above AA and although it’s possible, I would think it’s highly unlikely, given his age, level, etc.
by Schrute Farms on Jan 18, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
zero chance tillman opens as an oriole
less than zero if thats possible
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 18, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell is going to pitch?
They have the Japanese guy, Guthrie, Hendrickson, Patton and a whooooooole lot of nothing.
by oc on Jan 18, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hayden Penn
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 18, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Radhames Liz
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 18, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also Matt Albers, if his shoulder has recovered.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 18, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sucks, sucks, and a whooooooole lot of sucks.
by oc on Jan 18, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Jon Garland gonna sign?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 18, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But that’s who they’re going to run out there for the time being anyway. Add Troy Patton to that list, if he’s recovered from his injury.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 18, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why they won't be very good.
It’s akin to why the Rangers are going to start guys like Scott Feldman over guys like Feliz and Holland. You gotta think long term.
by Schrute Farms on Jan 18, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that guy has plenty of promise...
pretty sure he’s starting for them
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 18, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Radhames Liz isn't all that great sir.
Lots of speed… doesn’t know where in the hell it’s going. Change up is getting better.
He has the ceiling of a late-inning specialist.
by oc on Jan 19, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's basically Robinson Tejeda, from what I've heard.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 19, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hes better than tejeda
+ younger + options
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 19, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy
he did look like his control was a problem, but looked VERY dominant at times that I watched. I have no idea about his pedigree though
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 19, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
should put him there anyway
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 19, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
liz albers etc
tillman is VERY young
matuz has zero pro IP
im telling you, there is more of a chacne of joe weiland starting off the year i the rangers rotation than tillman in the baltimore o’s
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 19, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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