Could the Yankees be in the catcher mix?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 20, 2009 1:00 PM CST
Email
PrintSo today, Buster Olney's ESPN blog entry leads off with five key injury situations, with one of the five being Yankee catcher Jorge Posada:
Jorge Posada, Yankees: He is coming back from shoulder surgery, and the Yankees have no idea how effective he can be as a catcher or whether he can be a full-time catcher again. If he can't catch, he will have to get the bulk of his at-bats as a designated hitter, compelling the Yankees to press for a trade of one or two veteran hitters, among Xavier Nady, Nick Swisher and Hideki Matsui. The organization has another $40 million or so invested in Posada over the next three years, so his status probably will be the Yankees' biggest concern this spring.
Rob Neyer also hits on the issue of the Yanks' catching situation today, commenting on this blog post by Steven Goldman.
Goldman believes -- with reason, I think -- that the Yanks need to be looking at getting a co-catcher, rather than just a backup catcher, or someone who can apprentice with Posada for a year before stepping into the full-time job.
Goldman mentions Miguel Montero of the D-Backs as a possibility, but before the Rangers landed Jarrod Saltalamacchia in 2007, there was talk that the Yankees and Boston both coveted him. And as Goldman acknowledges in talking about Montero, anytime the Yanks can make a move that also rooster-blocks the BoSox, it gives an extra motivation to do so.
So I have to wonder...if, in a month, when pitchers and catchers report, if Posada doesn't appear to be able to catch full-time (and there's been talk since last summer that he may not ever be able to do so again), could the Yanks get in on Salty?
Would the Yanks be interested in a Philip Hughes for Salty deal, just a year after the Johan Santana trade talks broke down over New York's reluctance to include Hughes in a deal?
With the addition of C.C. Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, the Yankees are in a position where they could afford to part with Hughes without being crippled. And they'd shore up a position of weakness long-term with a young player they supposedly are high on.
I have to wonder if there isn't something possibly going on behind the scenes on this front...
200 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
No way
Maybe there’s another fit (I don’t see one right off), but I think there’s no chance they would consider Hughes.
I do think the Yanks would consider Ian Kennedy
and if so, I’d consider a Salty/Kennedy deal.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
Hell No.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 20, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Kennedy, really?
He’s the most overrated Yankee prospect since Melky… maybe a Laird for Kennedy would have been considered
by Baseball North on Jan 20, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
only a little
Kennedy is pretty firmly established among prospect heads as a back end guy who depends on control and not stuff. I think I would rather have Bowden.
Damn
Phil Hughes…at his worst will have a major league career much like Carl Pavano and at his best will have a major league career like Andy Benes. And, in all likelihood, Hughes’ career will probably fall somewhere in the middle between Pavano and Benes…and mirror someone along the level of Aaron Sele
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
i'm not sure I follow
if you mean in prospect rankings, I think Bowden is probably in the 30-50 range, whereas at this point Kennedy is probably back in the 60-80 range. His complete inability to be effective at the major league level took quite a bit of the bloom off his cheeks.
I think Kennedy could be a decent buy low candidate, but giving up Salty is the opposite of buying low.
still
former 1st round picks from prestigious programs who put together a career 1.99 ERA and 0.97 WHIP in the minors aren’t a dime a dozen.
by Alan Smithee on Jan 20, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
One of the hypothesis on Kennedy I’ve seen is that his minor league numbers are a bit deceptive based on the Yankees aggressive promotion schedule.
While his stuff is pretty average, it plays up because of his command. Furthermore, he came out of college with a certain understanding of how to pitch and set up hitters, so he had an advantage over guys in the lower levels (who were mostly coming out of HS). The idea goes that a pitcher of this type does much better when he’s first introduced to the league, because no one is familiar with him, but he will begin to struggle when exposed to stiffer competition for extended periods of time. The way the Yankees promoted him, he never spent long enough at any level for the league to get a read on him, until he got to MLB (and good advance scouts and lots of video, etc).
I can’t say for sure whether or not this works (I don’t know how you’d begin to test it); but it kind of makes sense. Given his comments at the end of last year (and the team’s reaction) I’m surprised the Yankees haven’t traded him.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
well
In 28 starts at Triple-A, over two years, at ages 22 and 23, he had a 2.26 ERA, 106-28 K/BB ratio and 1.01 WHIP. How many starts did opposing batters need?
I am receptive to the notion that, based on the scouting reports, Kennedy is not as good as his minor league numbers would suggest, but his minor league numbers are outstanding, so there’s a lot of room for regression. He dominated the highest level of minor league ball for over 100 innings on two separate campaigns, and he’s younger than, for example, Clay Buccholz(who didn’t perform nearly as well at AAA, as it so happens).
I think if Ian Kennedy was in the Ranger system, a lot of people would be very, very excited about him.
by Alan Smithee on Jan 21, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, I should've been more clear
This was a theory that was floated after his first stint in the minors in 2007, when he had very short stints in A, AA, and AAA of 10, 9, and 6 games started, so he’s probably not seeing the same teams all that often.
In 2008 he had 12 GS (13 total games) in AAA, so there’s more sample there, but of course you’d expect him to do better against AAA as opposed to ML hitters…
Would you rather have Bowden or IPK? If you allow that the Sox are (reportedly) willing to offer Bowden and Bard, who do you see the Yankees adding that would be a more enticing deal for Texas?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
honestly
I wouldn’t trade Salty at this point unless it’s a knockout deal(Buccholz/Hughes/Bailey type of trade), because I think trading low on a high-ceiling position prospect like him would be a bad move. I guess my defense of Kennedy was more a reaction to some of the ludicrous comments about Kennedy being a lesser prospect than Eric Hurley, Matt Harrison or Tommy Hunter. I’d say Bowden and Kennedy are about equal.
The only guy in the Yankee organization that piques my interest is Jesus Montero, who I imagine they have no desire to trade right now.
by Alan Smithee on Jan 21, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
alan horne
the most overrated since alan horne
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Hah
Now THERE was an overrated Yankees prospect. Their fans were convinced that he was a burgeoning front roto guy.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
like kennedy lol
anyway, i liked hughes more than buchholtz and i think were more likely to get hughes than buchholtz in a catcher deal as of now
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
at the least
they would have to trade Kennedy with Swisher, and the Rangers could the trade Swisher for another piece.
At the least.
Swisher has no value to us
or probably most teams, especially considering the FAs that are still on the market
Next Year! We Swear!
not a chance in hell
ian kennedy > hurley/harrison/hunter
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
oops
hurley/harrison/hunter > kennedy
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
I’m pretty sure Kennedy would rank higher on most lists.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
why
my understanding was not that he ever had even the level of stuff hurley (had)
also i see him as being somewhere about like harrison
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, cause it's not the results that matter, it's what hand you throw with...
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 20, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
my point exactly
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
i ddont think any of those guys are #2 starters
harrison could be a #3
hurley could be a #3
kennedy is a back of the rotation guy
im not sure what i think of hunter just yet
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
because he's a Yankee prospect...
"Dear dumb ass folowers of FSMism,
There have been a lot of weird things that i have seen in my life before, but this tops them all. Do you really believe that there is/was such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster? Seriously, how fucking old are you? I know there’s such a thing as freedom of speech and expression, but this kinda shit should be banned. Theres is only one God and one Holy Word. Why dont you people get that? How much sense does it make to say that decreasing numbers of pirates lead to an increase in average global temperature? Is that science or some fifth grader trying to sound smart?"
–Sincerly,
ANONYMOUS
The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/)
wow
If KOK has Hurley higher than Kennedy, that must mean that you really don’t like Kennedy.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
heh
hey i havent blasted kennedy in a long time
my point is that hurley at least had reports of having good stuff, i was never under the impression that kennedy had that good stuff and was more like a guy who did well at the lower levels b/c of guile not stuff
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
I still just can't envision
Hughes being traded. What kind of mistake would that be admitting to if Cashman rejected Santana for Hughes but now would accept Salty for Hughes? Maybe it is a decent move (I don’t even think it is) from a baseball perspective but from a PR perspective it would be a nightmare for Cashman.
Now something I think is a bit more realistic is the Yanks pursuing and eventually acquiring Montero. I will be hoping for this, as this means that Boston will return their full attention to Salty and perhaps concede to a Salty-Buchholz deal.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
Well
How about when we wouldn’t give up Hank Blalock for Josh Beckett? I think if we would have gone forward one year and had the chance to do that over we would have.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
the issue there is that we were used to get them hanley
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
True
However I think had we accepted Hank and Danks for Beckett and Lowell right away it would have happened. We didn’t want to part with Hank, which is understanding at the time, and then he went out and got hurt two years in a row.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
What does this have to do with my initial post that you replied to?
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
Hank at one time was deemed untouchable
And a mere one year later would have gladly been traded for less than he was deemed untouchable for
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
How was Hank untouchable?
we tried to trade him for Beckett.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
No
They wanted Hank and we scoffed. We didn’t want to trade Hank
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
That isn't true
if you don’t believe me, subscribe to the Hardline podcast and listen to JD with the Hardline from 11/22/05. JD said Florida didn’t even give the Rangers a chance to make a last minute offer to save the deal. Florida accepted the Boston deal and didn’t even let the Rangers try to one-up them. FL wanted Hanley the entire time and used TX to get him.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
I believe that
But if Boston hadn’t been willing to include Hanley they would have taken Hank except we weren’t offering Hank.
The main point is just because one player wasn’t traded for player X a year ago doesn’t mean that same player wouldn’t be traded for player Y this year even if player X is better than player Y. Alot can happen in a years time to alter how a prospect is viewed.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
We weren't willing to give him up
He was coming off a great year and was young and under control. Nobody could have forseen what happened the next few years.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I think our problem was with
giving up Thomas Diamond?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Could have been.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Danks was part of the deal
If I’m not mistaken JD was trying to substitute Diamond instead but Florida kept firm
"Losers assemble in little groups and bitch about the coaches and the system and other players in other little groups. Winners assemble as a team."
- Bill Parcells
wait, wait, wait
i thought the Marlins wanted Arias included in the deal, to which we countered by demanding another arm.
Mass X Acceleration = Force
By that time, we were on the outside looking in, and I imagine they knew they were getting strung along as a backup plan and stake raiser. They were really only in the center of it before Boston got involved and agreed to give Hanley.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
My how times change
Now we’re wishing Arias HAD another arm.
you...
make me pee pee myself
"Dear dumb ass folowers of FSMism,
There have been a lot of weird things that i have seen in my life before, but this tops them all. Do you really believe that there is/was such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster? Seriously, how fucking old are you? I know there’s such a thing as freedom of speech and expression, but this kinda shit should be banned. Theres is only one God and one Holy Word. Why dont you people get that? How much sense does it make to say that decreasing numbers of pirates lead to an increase in average global temperature? Is that science or some fifth grader trying to sound smart?"
–Sincerly,
ANONYMOUS
The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/)
by 8legs2fangs on Jan 20, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
they wouldnt have accepted it
anyway
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Who wouldn't?
Us or them?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
they wouldnt
because they wanted hanley
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Eh
I can’t imagine Yankeedom (Yankeedumb?) would be too bothered now that they have CC, AJ and Teix. Yankees fans are pigs in shit right now.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
Trust me
they’ll be pissed. They are still very pissed that they don’t have Santana.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
Aside from the very youngest ones
Yankees fans well know the history of trading good prospects in rushed efforts to win. The ones I know tend to be very wary of dealing prospects still (and they’re not that old).
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
That's true now that I think about it more
My only friend that’s a Yankees fan (who also happens to be my only friend that lives in the DFW area) was really really excited for Hughes. If he thinks that I presume the fans in NY think that moreso.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
yes sir
i’ve been looking at this aspect for a while…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
The Wrestler
How long did all that take?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Quote
“With the addition of C.C. Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, the Yankees are in a position where they could afford to part with Hughes without being crippled”
Lets hope this statement has a lot of weight in the DoucheBrenner/DoucheMan household
Millwood
Sheets (after trading Podzilly)
Hughes
Harrison
BMac/Hurley
One can get used to living on hopes and dreams
Because Millwood is in great shape.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Millwood threatened to request a trade
If we moved him to #2.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by LSJ on Jan 20, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
And trade Padz?
He won’t complain to a reporter. But he might have ocho compadres blow up your home, your office, your kids’ school, your favorite restaurant, your car, and then take you out back for “inside fastball” practice.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 20, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Sheets will have
some shoulder soreness and not be ready for opening day.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Santana deal
I believe the Yankees WERE willing to part with Hughes for Santana. I think the deal broke down because the Yankees refused to trade both Hughes AND Ian Kennedy.
In any case, I wouldn’t trade Salty to the Yankees unless Hughes is included (I’m assuming Joba is untouchable).
OT. C.J. signed:
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/wilson-signed.html
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
Yankees
Might they just get Varitek and save their prospects?
Hughes has similar plot points to Buchholz (strong to dominant in AA/majors year, followed by setback year), which makes him seem as untouchable.
Actually if Cashman offered Hughes for Saltalamacchia, would that motivate Theo to bid higher or walk away very quietly?
Go Strangers.
If Cashman offered Hughes for Satlalamacchia, I wouldn’t even bother calling Theo. I’d say yes and send in the paperwork.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
same here
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yah
I imagine Theo would offer to pay the FedEx costs.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 20, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I was about to post the exact same thing
Let Theo find out about it when the paperwork is signed off.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Wouldn't you want Hughes' medical reports?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
you would get his medical reports + do a physical before the trade was “official”
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Regardlss of whether an offer is real
isn’t it in the Rangers interest to talk it up as a possibility? Nothing will bring Hughes or Buchholz to the table faster than the possibilty of the other one being available.
Yup
The problem so far is it seemed like a seller’s market. Need some more buyers to up the ante.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
Like anybody in the media would do JD a favor
they only report those rumors if it helps the Sox or Yanks…come on, we know this.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
If I remember correctly
the Rangers have a friendly in the NY Post, Kat O’Brian. The Post isn’t above planting some “scoops” here and there…
"the other being available"
See I disagree.
Theo hasn’t budged so far, for months now. Unless he really in his heart of hearts wants Saltalamacchia more than any other possibility, he won’t try to outbid Cashman, certainly not if Cashman’s overpaying.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 20, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Fixed.
Nothing will bring Hughes or Buchholz to the tablefaster than the possibilty of the other one being available.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 20, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
what is the latest on Hughes?
Are scouts as high on him as they once were? Aren’t there valid concerns about his durability?
evidently the issue with him is between his ears – not physical ones
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
wait thats right
hughes=injury
buchholtz=head
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Damn
Phil Hughes…at his worst will have a major league career much like Carl Pavano and at his best will have a major league career like Andy Benes. And, in all likelihood, Hughes’ career will probably fall somewhere in the middle between Pavano and Benes…and mirror someone along the level of Aaron Sele
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
yeah, it's not a positive article
but, hey, Aaron Sele did help us back in the day
Next Year! We Swear!
same article
Hughes mainly pitched off his 89-92 mph fastball and a plus curveball, a nice combination but not the 91-94 mph heater and knockout bender he showed down the stretch in Double-A two years ago. Whether he’ll regain his premium stuff once he stays healthy for an extended period remains to be seen. Whether he can stay healthy is uncertain, too, though he hasn’t had any arm-related problems since 2005, when he made two trips to the DL with shoulder tendinitis and a tired arm.
and it was reported also he was throwing 94-95 IN THE AFL
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
So people aren't sure if he'll regain the premium stuff
makes me want Buchholz more.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
Kinda sounds like
BMac.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
There is a Dr Jeckly/Mr Hyde thing in scouts’ eyes. I think he’s just a young pitcher who has suffered a couple of weird injuries and who still has all of the talent that made him such an excellent prospect. You’s just as soon him not load his arm down with innings during these couple of years anyway.
And from a makeup standpoint, he’s a great guy.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
same here
id kill for hughes or buchholtz
in my eyes:
hughes/buchholtz > bowden > masterson > kennedy
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
in my eyes
there is a gap between buchholz and hughes, based on both health/durability and stuff, with the edge going to Buchholz.
Plus, I think Bowden and Masterson are both probably mid-rotation guys, so I don’t see much difference in their rankings.
well
im not convinced masterson is a middle of the rotation guy -
bowden is at least a rotation guy almost for sure
hughes / buchholtz are both further up than the other guys though to me
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Masterson is the next Kam Loe
Sinkerballer who doesn’t really have a good third pitch, and looked like he lost a bit on his control last year. Bowden at least has a good enough secondary arsenal to start.
Otherwise though, I pretty much agree with what you said: Buchholz > Hughes >>> Bowden >> Masterson >>>>> Kennedy.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
So
If a C deal goes thru w/either the Yanks or Sox, how lucky are we that Joe Mauer’s FA is two years off instead of one?
heh
mauer is good….but is he THAT much better than mccann or martin all things considered?
depending on where you are/what you want i dont know
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
right
hypothetically though if all 3 are out there who would you rather have?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I have a Mauer man-crush
but it would be really close between him and McCann. Martin is a really good player too; I’d just take the others first. The difference isn’t enormous or anything, though, as you said.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
well martin to me is the most durable of the three
mccann is probably in the middle of the two
mauer is the better hitter
and to be fair i really like martin/mccann more than most and mauer’s health issues scare me a LOT
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
First off, I think we’re only thinking our lucky stars if that deal involves Hughes or Buchholz. Their secondary guys don’t seem so promising that dealing a good catcher for them is an exciting proposition.
And we’re not getting Hughes or Bowden for a catcher.
But hypothetically speaking, I agree, it would definitely seem like a big factor. Sabathia’s pending free agency was apparently (and this came out long before free agency) a big part of the Yankees not selling the farm for Santana.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
does anyone thinks that sabathia is a better bet to be pitching at a high level in 6 years than santana?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
What are the odds Mauer ever sees a day of FA?
Even in that org, he’s going to get locked up. It’d be like blowing off Kirby to let him go.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 20, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
We should play them both
Tea for Buchholz AND Salty for Hughes. Imagine both in the rotation…
We then settle in with MaxRam as our man behind the plate.
(and Z, I’m simply just imagining this so that I can be in a good mood through lunch, you don’t need to burst my bubble here, I know it really isn’t there)
heh
i really think that if teagarden for buchholtz was out there we would have done it
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
I’d risk my catching position on MaxRam if I could add those two arms to my inventory.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
why
someone cna hope lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
JBI is speaking purely hypothetically
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Ooops
(and Z, I’m simply just imagining this so that I can be in a good mood through lunch, you don’t need to burst my bubble here, I know it really isn’t there)
I didn’t see this part…please proceed!
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
and i think JD is smart enough to know that
a maxram/veteran backstop (hell maxram/macumba) is something i would be ok with
you almost never get a chance to get 2 aamrs like that
(and yes it will never happen)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Hate to say it, but I think I would too
I wouldn’t do it if it was Salty and Max being shipped out and Tea kept though.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
I can't see
JD trading both Salty and Ramirez this winter. Too much risk.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I don't see him as a catcher with the
Rangers. Who do you trade? Davis, Ramirez or Smoak?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I think Max can catch
So none of the above. You’ve got your starting catcher and rotating 1B/DH’s.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
I don't think he's "blocked"
I think the Rangers want to fine tune his defense as much as possible, while seeing what the other two have before they bring him up. His bat’s going to be special, whether he’s a catcher or a DH – they just want to make sure they can get max value out of it at catcher.
If Max can be a serviceable catcher at the major league level (and the recent scouting reports suggest he can) then his bat will probably make him our starting catcher, even over Salty. Which, considering how good his bat is, I don’t have the slightest problem with.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Have you factored in
JD’s desire to field a good defensive team? Isn’t Teagarden the future catcher?
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Catcher defense is overrated, IMO
Especially if your catcher can hit like MaxRam. If we choose Teagarden’s defense over Max’s bat, I might kill something.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
negative
a catcher can instill more confidence in a pitcher when that pitcher knows the catcher is good at blocking the ball in the dirt. Also, when there are runners on who are a threat to steal, it is much better to have a guy behind the plate that can cut down the runner. I don’t think catchers get enough credit. Especially when a runner is on third and they block a ball in the dirt. That is a saved run.
Next Year! We Swear!
The SB might be a bit of a problem
but Max I think has done a good job of showing the pitchers he’ll do all he can to help them
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Max can block just fine
According to the scouting reports of him in winterball.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Several scouts do.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
if scoop16 starts cracking 'McCarthy has a vagina' jokes
then I guess you will have your answer ;)
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
with little white "rocks" in there to smoke
"Dear dumb ass folowers of FSMism,
There have been a lot of weird things that i have seen in my life before, but this tops them all. Do you really believe that there is/was such a thing as a flying spaghetti monster? Seriously, how fucking old are you? I know there’s such a thing as freedom of speech and expression, but this kinda shit should be banned. Theres is only one God and one Holy Word. Why dont you people get that? How much sense does it make to say that decreasing numbers of pirates lead to an increase in average global temperature? Is that science or some fifth grader trying to sound smart?"
–Sincerly,
ANONYMOUS
The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/)
probably
and Nolan would get all the credit….
by Michael Cave on Jan 20, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
dshep
did you do anymore of those aybar gifs?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
no, assuming you saw the hills one
but i made a ytmnd page for it heh
http://aybarhills.ytmnd.com/
the preceding post was a great success.
by DShep on Jan 20, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
thats on the the sound of music one?
heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 20, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
My genitals would explode.
Max is gonna be the best of the three, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 20, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Damn
So now Salty and eventually Davis to NY.
They really stockpile up there like we dog pile down here.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 20, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions
dude
That would be suh-weet. I say let them have their choice of Salty, Teagarten, or Max for Hughes.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
Funny
Check out the names on Rotoworlds top 10 risers from Winter Ball
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Interesting how
they are grouped together. JD needs to get NY and BOS bidding on Salty and get FLA in on Ramirez (or maybe Salty).
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I am not advocating
JD trade Salty AND Ramirez. He needs to use Fla to drive up the price.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
I love it when the opinion of the z-meister
is aligned with my own.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
This. This. This.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 20, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Florida isn't offering enough for Max
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
He might want to re-title his article
since a lot of his stuff is from the AFL, but that is funny how many of these guys are involved there. I think that Borbon should be a consideration as well. His 20 walks in 158 ABs combined that more than doubled his walk rate from the regular season raised his OBP about 50 points. Of course he also hit .366 in the DWL, but his combined fall/winter average was about the same as his combined regular season avg.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 20, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Love me some Borbon.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I wonder what the chances
are Borbon wins the CF job out of spring training…?
With Byrd present
Not good.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Guess Rotoworld
didn’t check out the BoSox blogs on Buchholz:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/lofiversion/index.php/t39116.html
..and where is Cruz on that list?
Wow...
Ryan Howard says – “Yeah that 14 mil isn’t going to work for me. I’d like 18 mil please. Now if you’ll excuse me I need to go back to hitting .260 and striking out 200 times a year.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3847195
Crazy.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
career .970 ops, averaging 144 rbi the past 3 years.
I think I could live with that.
the preceding post was a great success.
Crazy
But he could easily win that case, just like last year. A $4 million raise after the year he had is an unwinnable case on the Phillies’ side. Especially considering you can argue about intangibles including the fact that Howard was on the team that won the World Series. No way he gets paid $14 million next year.
I was trying to run through which other teams might be looking for catching and would have pitching to deal, and other than the Sox and Marlins, the Yankees were really the only team that fit the bill.
I have no idea whether or not Cashman would deal Hughes (or if one of the Steinbrenner kids would force him to make the deal), but his injury record worries me (or it would if I were a Yankees fan).
I don’t think JD talking trade with NY would get Theo to offer Buchholz. For better or worse, the Sox FO seems like it’s determined to stick to its guns on how they value players.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
Agree on Max
Hope we hang onto him. I wonder who the organization feels has the most upside? Salty seems to have the most trade value, but does the Rangers brass think he is going to be the best major leaguer?
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- Five tips for Showtime’s second season of ‘The Franchise,’ featuring the Miami Marlins
- The 10 best things about being a Detroit Tigers fan
- Surprise! A’s finally end the Yoenis Cespedes derby with $36 million deal for Cuban star
- The time Whitney Houston sang to Jim Bowden
- Pitchers and catchers! Mariners get early start in Arizona
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
