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Community Projections vs. Reality - Pitchers

Well, when it got down to nut-cutting time, our projections didn't have a lot of relevance to the season that actually unfolded, for the most part because if we had wanted to have a representative projection for Rangers starters in 2008, we would have had to do projections for just about every pitcher on the 40 man roster.

Millwood, though in the best shape of his life from doing Tae-Bo with Billy Blank, only managed 168 innings, though word is that Nolan has him doing water aerobics with my grandmother this winter as part of the new conditioning program.  Our ace managed a ERA+ of only 87, which would be a career low except he did it last year, too. 

Millwood Wins Wins '''σ''' Inng's Inng's '''σ''' K's K's '''σ''' ERA ERA '''σ'''
Community 15 2 197 15 148 19 4.36 .37
Bill James
11 193 145 4.01
CHONE 184 128 4.99
ZIPS 12 189 135 4.52
2008 9 168.7 125 5.07

Padilla had some mystery issues last year, with neck pain, undefined soreness, family issues at home and his girlfriend putting a hex on his glove.  As I recall, one of Padilla's absences may have led to the incident which sent Aruban drunkard Sidney Ponson packing, although we may have gotten the better end of that deal seeing as how Ponson didn't exactly light the world on fire in New York.  Yeah, you hear that Sidney?  Matt Harrison cried on the mound, that's how innocent and sweet he is, you drunk lout!  Scooter Feldman does flower arrangements for hospice patients when he's not being asked to pitch every second day!  Anyway, Padilla had what counts as a servicable season in this rotation, while sporting a gaudy 4.74 ERA and not being involved in any incidents in which Mike Young's fingers were broken.

Padilla Wins Wins '''σ''' Inng's Inng's '''σ''' K's K's '''σ''' ERA ERA '''σ'''
Community 13 3 181 19 139 30 4.58 0.42
Bill James
6 120 82 4.5
CHONE 149 96 5.3
ZIPS 10 172 112 4.92
2008 14 171 127 4.74

McCarthy's body, I have it on good authority, objects to being a starting pitcher in The Show.  Bill James didn't know that last year, of course, when he projected 176 and 10 wins for him, but that's because Bill James is an android whose blinking and beeping mechanical heart knows nothing of the muscle, blood, sinew and masking tape that is Brandon McCarthy's arm.  Hey, in the 22 innings he pitched, he was every bit the pitcher as advertised, and if we'd had 52.5 more just like him, we'd probably have won the pennant.

McCarthy Wins Wins '''σ''' Inng's Inng's '''σ''' K's K's '''σ''' ERA ERA '''σ'''
Community 8 3 113 40 76 31 4.49 1.11
Bill James
10 176 142 4.30
CHONE 108 75 4.75
ZIPS 8 127 77 4.96
2008 1 22 10 4.09

As for Jason Jennings, I'm not sure there's much to say.  He sucked, but, mercifully, he sucked for a very short time.  He spared us to death in six starts in April, put up some comically bad numbers, and made way for younger talent.   Why it took six starts to send him to the glue factory, I don't know.

Jennings Wins Wins '''σ''' Inng's Inng's '''σ''' K's K's '''σ''' ERA ERA '''σ'''
Community 11 2 169 25 111 19 4.76 0.33
Bill James
7 150 97 5.04
CHONE 132 86 4.64
ZIPS 7 140 99 4.56
2008 0 27.1 12 8.56

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Well this is very timely!

As for the disastrous pitching.. well.. at least mccarthy beat his ERA projection.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 21, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

How do you eat 7000 calories a day? yeesh

The moves being made are too extra for my taste.

by shroomer on Jan 21, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

easy

8.33 double stacked 12" subway club sandwiches

"Unless you have good speed and can be a weapon on the basepaths your bat is the best weapon you have. Now by no means am i saying go up hacking at anything and everything but drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes." -- bigsteve

by tricer on Jan 21, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats assuming you get a diet Coke to wash it down

I cant tell you how many store clerks I have made laugh by getting a Reese’s cup and a diet coke

by BEW on Jan 21, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh god

I ate there once, and nearly puked in the parking lot afterwards.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 21, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You ate the wrong thing...

get the cheese fries, smothered with jalopenos, bacon bits, ranch dressing and whatever else is on those things and then quaff 4 large draft beers.

Your stomach will purr.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

When you say purr...

Do you mean tell your heart to stop beating?

by LiamP on Jan 21, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

And I LOL’ed.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 21, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions  

I will say...

…the community gets an A- on its Padilla projection.

The rest…bleah.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

Overall the Community did no worse than the other systems

Which supports my basic premise that these fancy prediction systems are really about as good as anyone else’s guesses (though I admit CHONE, much as I despise the name, has some merit).

by JBImaknee on Jan 21, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you compare them other than eye-balling?

Are you going to judge the projection systems based on four pitchers?

Does your premise take into a study comparing fancy prediction systems to “anyone else’s guess”?

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Jan 21, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Protractors at the ready, people!

NERD FIGHT!!

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jan 21, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

support =/= confirm
and basic premise =/= specific hypothesis

i understand your point but its a little hasty to assault his methodology for what is obviously an informal, unscientific comment.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 21, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

the N=4 including two guys who didn’t even pitch much is sufficient for me to come to that conclusion. I’m amazed it wasn’t so obvious to you.

Actually, my position is based on my understanding of their methodologies (from what I have been able to find out about them).

by JBImaknee on Jan 21, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Also Ben

Do you have the ability to spot who got closest to each prediction? Because that std dev for McCarthy’s innings suggests that some people probably predicted pretty close to his actual totals…

by JBImaknee on Jan 21, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

Without checking...

I’m guessing DJCahill.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jan 21, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

yes it is

however, the Excel sheet that Ben has these all stored in may be more powerful for finding similarity

by JBImaknee on Jan 21, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

The excel spreadsheet is at work, unfortunately...

and doesn’t have the person’s name who made the prediction.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jan 21, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Good stuff

Feldman did indeed get used and abused last year.

Cue Brett Gardner complaining about this post…

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Jan 21, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions  

beyond the boxscore

They like the Omar signing:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/1/21/729705/behold-the-power-of-the-gl

"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley

by trza on Jan 21, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

OT. Jamey on with B&S at 3:25:

http://forum.newbergreport.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7291

"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions  

That (Hurley injury) effing sucks.

I actually had legitimate hope for this kid. Loved how he threw strikes and worked quickly.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 21, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

WTF

How’d you get this before Kinslerhomer?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 21, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

yep, I was on the DMN blog.

"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

FUCK NO!

"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

That'll be a huge crimp

in his career.

By the time he is ready to go, he may be squeezed out of a slot. I wouldn’t be surprised if this doesn’t push him to the bullpen.

Get off my lawn.

by DJCahill on Jan 21, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-

-dge. Only I didn’t say fudge.

I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.

by WyoRanger on Jan 21, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

UFB

Un-believable! And yet it is.

Grrrr.

by NorCalRangersFan on Jan 21, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

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