Hurley Done for the Season -- Torn Rotator Cuff
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2009 1:43 PM CST
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Son of a Showalter.
UPDATE -- A little more info from T.R.
Eric Hurley underwent surgery on Wednesday to repair his right rotator cuff. He will be out for the season. Hurley missed the second half of last season with a shoulder injury and it never recovered. Surgery was recommended and performed on Wednesday by Dr. Keith Meister.
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you know baseball is close
when ranger pitchers are getting hurt
Next Year! We Swear!
by NothinG on Jan 21, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was about to type these EXACT words.
AND SO IT BEINGS…
AGAIN!
by SaltyGoesYard on Jan 21, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 21, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Bad News
It’s like Kanye wrote this for Hurley:
“Didn’t you know
I was waiting on you
Waiting on a dream
That’ll never come true
Didn’t you know
I was waiting on you
My face turnt to stone
When i heard the news”
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
Rob....
Please tell me you don’t know a Kanye West song by heart… You’re better than that….
Google is your friend...
Previously on 24...
by Kevin McBrayer on Jan 21, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Kanye
No, I had to look that one up. I do know most of the lyrics to “Flashing Lights,” though.
Strange thing is that I wasn’t even a Kanye fan until about a month ago, until I saw all those FX promos for Nip/Tuck (which I don’t even watch) and checked out some of his stuff on YouTube. Now I own not one, but two, Kanye albums.
I generally have really good taste in music, but I freely admit to being a bit of a dance-pop whore. I’m probably the only straight man in America to own multiple Kylie Minogue CD’s.
"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky
It's between that and Through the Wire for me.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
same here
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 22, 2009 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
From Rotoworld:
Rangers pitching prospect Eric Hurley is expected to miss the 2009 season after undergoing surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff and frayed labrum in his right shoulder.
Rotator cuff and labrum damage is the worst possible combination for a pitcher and will likely be tougher to come back from than Tommy John elbow surgery. Hurley made his MLB debut as a 22-year-old and looked like a long-term No. 3 starter in the making, but is now out for 2009 and a major question mark beyond that.
Google is your friend...
Previously on 24...
by Kevin McBrayer on Jan 21, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
F@$K........................
"I should apologize to girls for saying Sexson threw that helmet like a girl. I’m not even sure girls do that." - TAG 05/08/2008
This really really sucks.
I was looking forward to him a lot.
Now we have fewer pitchers I care about than rotation spots.
Sign/trade for someone please.
the preceding post was a great success.
I think we have to sign someone
If we don’t sign Sheets, maybe a Jon Garland, someone that can eat some innings because this team cannot count on innings from McCarthy, Millwood, and Padilla for a full season. Harrison and Feldmon have not been in a rotation for a full year. sigh, this sucks
Next Year! We Swear!
Garland costs a draft pick
I don’t see the need to sign anyone, other than a Jason Jennings NRI type.
Hurley was expected to start the season in AAA anyway.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
True
I don’t want to lose a draft pick for Garland. Hurley was expected to have a large role in the rotation this year.
What is a Jason Jennings type though, a guy that gets hurt and doesn’t pitch the entire year? And, there was much rejoicing. I’d rather have some quality innings from Sheets knowing that he will get hurt as well, but at least he made 30+ starts last year.
Next Year! We Swear!
Sheets?
I don’t see how you can make much of an argument now for NOT signing the guy.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 21, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well, finances aside...
I really meant that you can’t much argue that we don’t need another SP of Sheets’ caliber, as Adam seems to have suggested above.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 21, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
:(
i get so frustrated when people here say that the rangers should sign sheets…
HE WONT PLAY FOR THIS FRANCHISE. NO PITCHER OF HIS CALIBER WILL PLAY FOR THIS FRANCHISE.
it’s not up to the rangers. texas SUCKS. any pitcher with any other offer will take that offer as opposed to coming here.
pitchers USE texas to get decent offers to places they are willing to pitch.
by sam in so cal on Jan 22, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
x
hes lives in dallas, we have his old pitching coach, the rangers were one of the only teams he met with at the winter meetings, his agent directly said he was very serious about texas.
i know you can’t take an agents words at face value, but theres enough evidence to take sheets seriously. you may have to still overpay to get him, but I think its a possibility.
its not like every great team in a pitchers park in the mlb seems to be knocking at his door with a good contract.
the preceding post was a great success.
any pitcher with any other offer will take that offer as opposed to coming here.
its not like every great team in a pitchers park in the mlb seems to be knocking at his door with a good contract.
so basically you wanted to disagree, but in the end you agree with me. thanks.
by sam in so cal on Jan 22, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
He didn't agree with you at all
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 22, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
That's dumb.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 22, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
why?
is it dumb because you want it to be dumb? it’s certainly not dumb due to lack of substance.
good agents know that texas is desperate for good pitching. they parade their clients through dallas and throw the rangers into the mix when talking about potential suitors b/c it drives up the demand for their pitchers. it’s part of being a good agent.
zito
randy johnson – twice
derek lowe – twice
there’s an endless list
the exceptions to disprove the rule??? millwood, chan ho park?
what’s dumb about that?
by sam in so cal on Jan 22, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
this is why it is dumb
it’s not up to the rangers. texas SUCKS. any pitcher with any other offer will take that offer as opposed to coming here.
He doesn’t have another offer from anyone.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 22, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Man, you keep ratcheting up the dumb.
I’m honest to Science afraid to see where you take it from here.
And maybe think about using the shift key.
Lack of capitalization makes a dumb post seem even dumber. It’s not like multiplying negative numbers, if that’s what you were thinking. Writing dumb stuff in a dumb way doesn’t make it smart.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 22, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Not this.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 22, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions
Why the hell
do we HAVE to sign somebody.
Millwood
Padilla
Harrison
McCarthy
Feldman
It was going to be this all along, and Dustin Nippert was going to be the first in line to fill in for Millwood when his hammy starts to hurt again.
Replacement List Order
Dustin Nippert
Thomas Diamond
Tommy Hunter
Dereck Holland
Neftali Feliz
I would have slotted Hurley at the top of the replacment list, but it is not the end of the world that we dont have him. IT sucks for him, but it isnt a big deal.
Its time...
by PM Productions on Jan 21, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
do you really agree with that post? seriously?
reply incoming.
the preceding post was a great success.
Really,
I just agree that, barring an acquisition of some sort, the 5 starters he listed would be our 5 starters come opening day…
I am for signing Ben Sheets.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
uh..
1) Hurley was in contention for a rotation spot out of spring training if healthy, I don’t know how you can assume he is behind Nippert who sucked last year, is no longer a prospect and was in the bullpen while Hurley was healthy.
2) I didn’t say we HAVE to sign somebody, I said I wanted them to sign OR trade for somebody. To take the “why the HELL” exception level to such a statement is ridiculous.
3) Your posting our awful rotation does not dissuade me from thinking we should acquire someone. We needed someone before hurley was injured. Even if Hurley isn’t in the rotation to start, he and Hunter would make up the “prospect” depth. There goes half that depth.
4) Listing Thomas Diamond, Derek Holland and Neftali Feliz as the replacement order for the start of the season is absolutely absurd. In reality the people getting starts in the likely situation of early season injuries are more people like Nippert, people who will both be bad and have very little chance of contributing in the future. Wasted starts.
the preceding post was a great success.
misread one piece
you said hurley would have been ahead of nippert, so strike the reaction to that, though I think i still think he would have been in competition with feldman.
Though if hes the #1 replacement and is ahead of Nippert.. thats a very important dropoff in your first backup, who will almost for sure get a lot of starts. A high ceiling, 6 years of control homegrown prospect who looked good prior to the blowup start with injury vs nippert, who I already described my feelings on.
the preceding post was a great success.
Nippert
I don’t think he meant Nippert is ahead of Hurley. I believe what he was implying was Nippert would be the first for a spot start when someone gets sick or has an injury that doesn’t require a DL stint. Nippert is going to start the season as the long man/spot starter. Hurley most likely was going to start in AAA and wouldn’t be available for those type of spot starts.
As for his list I would put Hunter ahead of Diamond and then Mendoza and even Poveda ahead of Holland and Feliz. If we are talking purely spot starts Holland and Feliz would both require roster moves and I don’t think the Rangers are going to make that roster move for a single start unless a serious rash of injuries strike.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
You are right
Obviously i screwed that part up and you are correct in what he was saying about nippert, which is likely accurate that if it was just a couple week replacement Nippert would get the spot start over Hurley, who would get it if it were an extended injury.
but yeah, striking off that reaction as I said in the post above, I still disagree with the majority of his post.
There is no way if millwood strains something and B-Mac gets hurt in April, which could happen, that thomas diamond is in the rotation after how he looked last season. I know he is getting up there in age, but he has to perform in the minors before hes considered a rotation candidate. And Holland/Feliz.. there is no reason to think the rangers will start them no matter how bad the injuries to the rotation, at least not until a good deal into the season.
And even if you roll the clock back before Hurley’s injury, ignore all the depth stuff and who ranks where, the Rangers needing another starter is not exactly an out there line of thinking.
the preceding post was a great success.
Gawd, what a pile of suck!
I hate you, rotator cuff, I MF’ing hate you!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 21, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Any chance this spurs the Rangers to make a move?
Obviously we were already a little filled in the rotation (most people had Hurley in AAA this year anyway). But it does remove the most obvious guy to start on April 18th when McCarthy inevitably gets injured.
Isn’t torn rotator cuff one of those super bad injuries that some guys never come back from?
Nolan Ryan
“Torn rotator cuff? Son I didn’t even have one of those the last 7 years I pitched. Now get your pansy ass out there and give me 200 innings.”
by SaltyGoesYard on Jan 21, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
What other Major League
pitchers other than Pedro were recently diagnosed with torn rotator cuffs / recovery time / success stories?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
I can give you tons of failure stories.
Pedro Martinez a la 2007, Mark Mulder, Matt Clement, Kris Benson, Cliff Politte, Joey Eischen, Bartolo Colon, Tom Gordon, Ryan Wagner, Henry Owens, Freddy Garcia, Kiko Calero, AJ Murray. This year it was Chuck James, Wily Mo Pena, Tyler Johnson.
The success rate for guys that need surgery is very very low. Guys who are able to choose the rest and rehab route have a little better success, but not by much.
30 seconds later
and im more upset.
As far as Im concerned the only young pitchers who arn’t filler guys were hurley harrison and mccarthy. If mccarthy gets injured as he probably will, I cant even look at the rotation as developing young guys.
Well, maybe Hunter will get a shot pretty quick.
the preceding post was a great success.
Mendoza, man, Mendoza
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Please don't say Mendoza
DShep specified “aren’t filler guys” and that is what Mendoza is, if anything…
To most..
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Well...
that was a punch to the dick to read.
by ghostofErikThompson on Jan 21, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Crap!
I thought we would at least find out about Hurley this year and I had very high hopes.
Crap, Crap, Crap!
The beginning of the end for Hurley
He will now go the way of the Diamond.
Toiling, flirting with a comeback, but lets face it. His career is over.
Diamond
He will surprise this year.
Google is your friend...
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by Kevin McBrayer on Jan 21, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately
Two years from now Hurley will have a lot more competition for a spot on the team than he does now.
Google is your friend...
Previously on 24...
by Kevin McBrayer on Jan 21, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunate for him, I suppose.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 22, 2009 5:05 AM CST up reply actions
"and two years from now, I’ll be saying it about Hurley."
when he’s playing for some other perennial doormat?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
"First that Ho was a dude, a la Lola, then my Burger King Wopper had mustard after i asked for no mustard and now this?"
and i still got 20Min left…
-Heager Champ
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
So...
We’ll get the same amount of major league production out of him that I was expecting. I was just anticipating a few actual appearances.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 21, 2009 1:53 PM CST reply actions
as a small question
how was this not noticed until now?
tear was discovered Tuesday in the right arm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Thinking the same thing
Did he injure the “powder puff cuff” rehabbing or has been screwed since he announced some shoulder stiffness?
BALLS
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Most tears
Grow over time. So unless he had an MRI during his troubles last year, it wasn’t as much of a noticeable issue back then. Even if he did have an MRI, a much smaller tear can be missed, though that’s not as likely. It could also be that they were hoping to rehab it and he didn’t respond to treatment, so then they discovered that he was actually tearing it rather than healing it. Again, not likely.
Was really hoping Ranger pitchers would wait for the season to start...
…before getting lost for the season.
Could there be a bright spot in this? It might push the brass to move on Sheets.
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. --Bertrand Russell
And suddenly...
…I’m not so happy that I re-opened Firefox after lunch.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
How bad is a torn rotator cuff? Is it as bad as a torn labrum?
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
This is how they go IMO:
1. Torn Labrum
2. TJ surgery
3. Torn Rotator Cuff
So all of the “major” injuries this is the best but still not good.
by Michael Cave on Jan 21, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
And actually
I think there might be a better chance of coming back eventually from #2 over #3.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Agree
That’s not how it used to be, but that’s the case now. Though rotator cuff is slowly having more success.
id have it
labrum
rotator cuff
tj
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
def leppard's rick allen would disagree
just saying…
by sam in so cal on Jan 22, 2009 7:19 AM CST up reply actions
And the next domino to fall is...
A. McCarthy
B. McCarthy
C. McCarthy
or
D. McCarthy
"Just take the ball and throw it where you want to. Throw strikes. Home plate don't move." Satchel Paige
you probably could have gotten good odds
in a bet that McCarthy wouldn’t have been the first Ranger pitcher in 2009 to go down for the season. That would have been as close to a sure bet as anything.
Andrew McCarthy
Brandon McCarthy’
or
Cormac McCarthy?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jan 21, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll rec that.
You know Andrew McCarthy’s due for a serious dramedy-related injury…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 21, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I hate Andrew McCarthy
What about Kevin McCarthy? He was great in UHF.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Thought about him
But I was trying to stick with the alphabet and got stuck on D
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
I choose the box, well tell us what is in the box
oh, another injured pitcher
“You get nothing! Your so stuuupid!”
Next Year! We Swear!
Forget them
give me Jenny McCarthy
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Jan 21, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
i just google searched to read about torn rotator cuffs
and the title of one of the first articles.. “A torn rotator cuff: You don’t want this”
sigh. not that I thought you did want it, but it sounds really bad longterm.
the preceding post was a great success.
not good.
No hard statistics are available to document the disparity, but it is widely accepted that the success rate for pitchers returning from rotator cuff surgery is lower than the return rate for Tommy John surgery. Both happen all the time in the sport. And yet the latter has become fairly routine over the years to the point where pitchers undergoing Tommy John surgery often return to their previous level of performance within a year or so.
I'm not sure if this will help
(actually I’m sure it won’t) but I would like to know how this happened.
-He tore it yesterday?
-I had been sore since the end of last season and they decided that he needed surgery today?
-Didn’t somebody (of JParks ilk) talk to him this offseason and didn’t they say he was confident about this season?
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
and ask him why he has been touting hurley
for the starting rotation when, according to Sullivan, his shoulder “has never responded” to his rehab?
I had this injury several years ago
and it is literally impossible to throw a baseball 25 feet.
Hard for me to believe he just did it because I thought with pitchers it happens gradually over time and not in one violent action (could be wrong).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
You're correct.
Though a violent action can damage it severely. That’s more common in car accidents or football than in baseball, though.
guess that means
the wear and tear started long before Connor right Josey?
see this is what i want to know
was it yesterday or was it just missed this whole time or what
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Just to give you a snapshot of the rehab for this injury...
it is considered major progress when you can put your arm in front of you at a 90 degree angle and lift it straight up above your head.
I wasn’t counted on to give 150 IPs in The Show to a team so my rehab was hardly cutting edge but I want to say that it took me nearly three months to accomplish that milestone.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
thats never good
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
My text conversation with my girlfriend right now.
Me: “Eric hurley is out for the season”
Here: “tnstaapp”
I can’t decide if I hate her being so heartless or love her for knowing what that means.
I know what I would write her back right now
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
lol
niiiiice one philkid
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
eh
it was probably just a super-ironic typo.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
No no.
She’s a pretty hard core baseball geek. She spends more time in Baseball Prospectus and Beyond the Boxscore than I do.
What this guy said
I want to marry a woman that automatically thinks “TNSTAAPP”.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
TINSTAAPW
There is no such thing as a perfect woman, but that kind of baseball knowledge would definitely be a plus. If she can cook, that’s two out of three right there.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Heck, if she can cook too...
Give ME her number.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
I can cook
As long as you don’t mind medium-large fires in your house
Also:
She just said “Jon Garland doesn’t cost a draft pick I don’t think.”
Which means she’s reading this thread now.
he doesn't he's a type "B".
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Dear Philkid3's girlfriend-
You have legions of baseball nerds at your disposal.
Sincerely,
Everyone on LSB
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
You know, philkid...
…this conversation would probably work better if you just gave me her number.
/kidding, in case you couldn’t tell.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
is it a curse?
We trade away danks/volquez (and im not complaining about the trades.. im saying luck wise) and they have no health issues thus far and look like top of the rotation guys.
We keep diamond/hurley and get mccarthy, and they are all destroyed by injuries. What kind of luck is that.
Can we pay oakland to let feliz/holland play in their system for a while and try to break it?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 21, 2009 2:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Can I get a Cafe Press shirt???
Please?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
Shirt
Proceeds go to the Eric Hurley Rehab Fund
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
wow
i wonder how long it took to think of that
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
I want one in RED
Dammit!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Who did we rush?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 22, 2009 5:08 AM CST up reply actions
david clyde?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 22, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, obviously him.
But it seemed he was implying we had rushed Hurley.
I was wondering if this was the case.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 22, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
Still plenty of guys for the rotation
Millwood
Padilla
Hunter
Harrison
Feldman
McCarthy
Nippert
Mendoza
Granted, I’m less than thrilled with this, but if just 1-2 of them show themselves to be quality SPs, then 2010’s rotation could be something special if the Rangers use the shedding of Millwood/Padilla salary to go get a couple dependable starters and if Holland/Feliz step up.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
you have people on that list
that 3/4’s of the teams in the league would ever expect to be quality SP’s
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
That's overstating things.
3/4 of the teams in the league have people like that as options for the back end of the rotation every year.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
that's ridiculous
name 20 teams that have mendoza as an option for the back of the rotation
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I think we tend to
remember how horrible Mendoza (or insert your least favorite name from that list) was at times and look longlingly at any other teams’ options. Mendoza has talent and some good stuff, but may or may not pan out and get polished enough to really contribute in a meaningful way. About 25 teams have guys that fit that description that will go into ST with a slim chance of making the rotation.
And anyway, Mendoza is not going to make the Rangers rotation. You’re being too subjective.
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Mendoza was the worst pitcher in basebal last year
Theres only one of those.
the preceding post was a great success.
the pitching equillivant
of the dejesus kid at bat
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Check out his FIP
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
FIP or not
he was terrible and looked scared and overmatched. It’s his talent level that I’m arguing about.
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Don't take me completely serious...
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Check out his VORP
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
are you honestly telling me you think he pitched at a sub 5 ERA level last year?
FIP isn’t perfect.
the preceding post was a great success.
If there is a counter point to be made involving Mendoza
I’m gonna make it.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
His tRA was 8.10.
That’s not a typo.
I think he has potential, but I’m not counting on him ever being a contributor.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 21, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, counting on him
Would not be wise.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
after padilla
every single person on that list is a humongous question mark and most have really bad track records.
We are not filling #5. We are filling #3-5. For 20 teams, there’s like 3 people that I would be hopeful about in the #5 spot and that’s it.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Ok, but that does not
in any way make my statement untrue. The Rangers are missing the top guys, and have too many of the mid to bottom end, but it is still true that every team has a few of those guys around that are no better or worse than Nippert or Mendoza in talent level and liklihood to be solid starters any given year.
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you can't name 20 teams that do
I defy you.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Look.
I am not saying that Mendoza would be the 5th starter on 20 teams. I am saying that most years, most teams have guys like him who go into camp with a shot at the same role he is likely to have with the Rangers this year (emergency starter, long relief, AAA depth). And Nippert, and the rest. I am not saying anything remotely controversial, or even interesting here.
Mendoza has talent. Nippert has talent. They are 7th and 8th on that list above(I would drop Hunter out of that top group to give him more time), and I think they’d be at least that low on most teams’ lists as well. I don’t understand why you think my statement is so controversial. Can I name 20 teams off the top of my head? Hell no, I dont’ follow other teams that closely. I’m not about to spend that much time making a list just for you, either.
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our starters enjoyed the worst ERA in baseball last year
i don’t see how they can be compared as equals to the rest of the league
Next Year! We Swear!
by NothinG on Jan 21, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not what I said
at all. Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
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stop.
please do not use reality in an unfair manner during LSB discussions. it’s unfair to the eternal optimists here.
the whole bill parcells “you are who you are thing” doesn’t work here.
/sarcasm
by sam in so cal on Jan 22, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions
Anti-clever.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 22, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
and think about the likelihood that a scrub makes the startign rotation
when we are trying to fill THREE spots. It’s guaranteed that someone horribly underqualified will be in that position. Maybe that was the case before the Hurley injury (at least it seemsd like Hurley was never penciled in for a starter’s role) but I wouldn’t mind Mccarthy Hurley Harrison (eventually). But any signs of Nippert, Mendoza, Feldman…
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
they have them in the system
but they arn’t serious rotation candidates
the preceding post was a great success.
Thank you,
and nowhere above did I say they were serious rotation candidates or that they would be on other teams. I said they were options, and that they had a slim chance and other teams have guys like that as well.
How in the hell is that even a question?
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..but they have more than a slim chance on the rangers
isnt that the point of the conversation?
the preceding post was a great success.
exactly
in fact there’s a really good chance that one of those terrible pitchers is going to be our 5th starter and a slightly less than average chance that one will be our 4th starter
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I dont know how you have to single out Mendoza
But only he can do the talking now.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
if we go into the season
with those options, then why even bother playing the season? Our big bag of suck just got a little smaller.
lets see
assuming an average park, defense and pitching staff
Millwood – #3/4 pitcher
Padilla – #3/4 pitcher
Hunter – AAA
Harrison – #4/5 pitcher for now, but with upside
Feldman – In contention for a relief/long man role
McCarthy – #4 pitcher who can’t get on the field
Nippert – DFA’d
Mendoza – Minor league depth with no shot at mlb roster
the preceding post was a great success.
that's pretty much how I see it
and at this point, given our brilliant rehabbing of injured pitchers, McCarthy might as well be a crash test dummy
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Although Hurley's not an upgrade over any of those...
save maybe Mendoza.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 21, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Hurley > Hunter
Probably Feldman and Harrison too, IMO. At least he did until today.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
I'd easily take Hurley over Mendoza, Nippert, Feldman and Hunter
the preceding post was a great success.
Of course
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Due to his GRAND SUCCESS over the AA level?
All three of those have put up either better AAA (Nippert, Hunter) or MLB numbers than Hurley, who short of looking like Simple Jack when he pitches, has not done a damn thing in this organization since AA.
LOL Sorry the Sooners will score more that 14. - boomer1
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 21, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
shhhhhhhhh
(dont tell anyone hurley never had success over AA – they will eat you alive)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 22, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
Yah, okay, dude.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 22, 2009 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
yeah Hurley is def. better
than Hunter, Feldman, Harrison
well, now that i'm done thinking about the rangers
I feel really bad for Hurley. I think he had really high hopes for himself this season and now his career just took a gigantic kick in the balls.
Stay strong and focused, Hurley. Hope to see you soon.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Anyone think...
…this is Mark Connor’s farewell gift to the Rangers?
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
One more starter
off the list.
I’m kind of hoping we don’t see him as a starter candidate in the next few years. That would likely mean something has gone dreadfully wrong.
Get off my lawn.
Fuck you Mark Connor
`I don’t know what the hell you did to him, but this is your fault
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Hurley
Done for the season.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
uh-oh
There have been a number of pitchers who came back from a torn rotator cuff, like Jimmy Key, Orlando Hernandez, Tony Armas Jr. and Joey Hamilton.
There have also been scores more who didn’t, like Don Drysdale, Mark Fidrych, Wayne Simpson, Steve Busby, Mike Scott, Don Gullett, Matt Keough, Ben McDonald and John Rocker, to name a few.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
it is too bad
we didn’t trade him out of the org so he could go on and have a successful, injury free career. why would any pitching prospect want to be in this org, it is the motherfucking kiss of death. if I am Holland or Feliz, I just run the fuck away, get my contract voided, and take my chances with another org.
knowing our luck
he was probably part of a salty deal that would have landed us buccholz.
hell, I would just adopt that as my story if I were JD.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
prospect lists
Future Disabled Lists.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Man...
…KLaw loves him some Smoak. Not saying it’s not warranted, but he’s ahead of some really, really good names.
My 2009 New Years Resolution: Quit feeding the trolls.
rangers of note
- - feliz
Feliz was something of a known quantity last offseason, having come over to Texas in the Mark Teixeira trade, but he was just a very live arm with no full-season experience and only 72 pro innings in total. He started 2008 by obliterating Midwest League hitters and continued to miss bats after a two-level jump to Double-A. Coming from a low 3/4 slot, Feliz has some of the easiest velocity you will ever see, mostly 94-97 mph but dialing up and down a little as needed. He turns his changeup over well, especially considering his arm slot, and gets good fading action on it, so it’s not surprising that his strikeout rate against left-handed hitters was 28 percent higher than it was against right-handed hitters. His slider is still inconsistent; it’s short, a good sign for someone who has a little bit of sling in his delivery, but the pitch can back up on him. He’ll have to return to Double-A this year and refine his command and control, since he can’t just blow it by hitters as he did in low A, but he could also show up in the majors at some point in 2009 depending on his own progress and the Rangers’ place in the standings.
- - smoak
Smoak signed on Aug. 15 — deadline day — and had just 56 at-bats in the regular season. But once he started hitting, he didn’t stop ‘til mid-November. In 124 total plate appearances between the Midwest and Arizona Fall Leagues, he hit .327/.411/.551 with five homers. Smoak is often compared to Mark Teixeira, and there’s some logic to it, as both are switch-hitting first basemen with big power and plus gloves. I think of Smoak as more of a switch-hitting Adrian Gonzalez — he doesn’t have quite the same raw power as Teixeira, but has a very disciplined approach at the plate and does have a plus glove at first. Smoak is legit from both sides of the plate, centering the ball extremely well and showing power both to pull and to the opposite field. His path to the ball is short and he sets up almost loaded, with a short move backwards serving as his trigger. His only flaw as a player is his complete lack of speed, which limits him to first base, but he’s an excellent fielder there his bat would play anywhere on the diamond.
- - holland
Holland’s isn’t the biggest jump on to the list this year, but it might be the most surprising. Texas wasn’t on Holland when he was in junior college until they saw him at the NJCAA World Series a few weeks before the 2006 draft, and they took a flier on him in the 25th round as a draft and follow. His velocity has since increased; he was 88-91 mph the following spring, then was 90-93 in the summer of ‘07 in Spokane. By the middle of 2008, he was already in Double-A, sitting 93-95 and touching 98, with natural bore and cut to the pitch and uncanny command. His changeup is already an above-average pitch, and he held right-handed hitters to a .215/.268/.305 line across three levels this year. His slider is still a work in progress, but it’s improving, and he has enough command and deception to get left-handed hitters out in the minors. He doesn’t have the raw upside of Feliz, but he’s not far behind him in potential and is ahead of him in command and feel for pitching, and is the most likely of Texas’ horde (pun intended) of pitching prospects to contribute to the big club in 2009.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Am I the only one. . .
. . . who finds myself looking at Feliz and wondering how exactly we’re going to screw him up?
No
and not just Feliz. The whole lot of pitchers need to be praying for their careers. The Rangers are cursed.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 21, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
finally
people are starting to get it…
by sam in so cal on Jan 22, 2009 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
Curious
Where’d Max come in?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 21, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
heh
only 1-25 are free rest require insider
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
I know
My real curiosity is whether he likes Max’s catching ability.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 21, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
And right now, even Insiders are having problems.
If you click on “26-50” it takes you to 11-20 of the top 50 free agents.
WTF?!
i think its a glitch
on his blog klaw said that it was only like 1-10 that were going to be free
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Law ranks Rangers' farm #1
Really likes the system:
1. Texas Rangers: The Rangers have far and away the best farm system in the game right now, with impact prospects, lots of depth (particularly in very young pitching) and plenty of prospects close enough to the majors to help the big league club in 2009 and 2010.
What is most impressive about the restocking of Texas’ farm system is that the additions have come from across the board. Texas has been one of the most aggressive bidders on talent in the international market, landing Martin Perez, Wilmer Font, Wilfredo Boscan and Esdras Abreu. The Rangers also have integrated their international scouting with the rest of their baseball operations — for most teams, it’s still a separate fiefdom — and have acquired several top international prospects in trades a year or so after missing out on them as free agents, including Neftali Feliz, Engel Beltre and Carlos Melo. Having one person, A.J. Preller, heavily involved in both international and pro scouting has made this integration easier, and the Rangers also use adviser Don Welke heavily in both areas. In addition, they have been aggressive in the draft under scouting director Ron Hopkins, signing several players who fell due to bonus demands and giving them above-slot bonuses that were appropriate to the players’ talents, including Justin Smoak and Robbie Ross in 2008 and Julio Borbon and Neil Ramirez in 2007. And the Rangers have worked the trade market to add prospects, cashing in Mark Teixeira for a huge package that included Feliz and Elvis Andrus, flipping Kenny Lofton for Max Ramirez and more recently dealing Gerald Laird for Melo and Guillermo Moscoso.
GM Jon Daniels has implemented a clear and consistent philosophy for baseball operations, centered on building pitching depth with an emphasis on upside, a tacit acknowledgment that pitching in Arlington requires better stuff or a stronger constitution than pitching in Seattle or Oakland. The integration across departments — amateur scouting, pro scouting, international scouting and player development — is still unusual in baseball, although the success of similar efforts in Boston and Tampa Bay is causing more teams to reevaluate their organizational structures.
Whether this translates into major league success for Texas largely will come down to the young pitching: Can these pitchers succeed in the Rangers’ ballpark, and can they stay healthy? If so, the wave of arms coming through Texas over the next five years will give the Rangers the best chance in their history to advance beyond the first round of the playoffs.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 21, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Nice read
I’m not sure I’d say “far and away” the best system, but encouraging to see yet another national writer put them at the top.
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+1
Though I wonder what the loss of Hurley would do to our ranking, if anything…
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
losing your ~#15 player shouldnt change the rankings at all
for example:
john sickles has hurley at #20 – would anyone notice if oakland lost sam demel (their #20 guy is de los santos but he was a top prospect before TJ surgery)
no. it should not effect the ranking
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
If he's insinuating we're following Boston and Tampa's example. . .
. . . I love JD even more than I did before.
does this make Bowden more appealing?
"Unless you have good speed and can be a weapon on the basepaths your bat is the best weapon you have. Now by no means am i saying go up hacking at anything and everything but drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes." -- bigsteve
Yeah
If he comes with Hagadone, it does.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Bowden would be ranked significantly higher than hurley right now in a prospect list
since bowden is coming off his best year and hurley his worst.
but looking past that, you could argue hurley had the higher ceiling if you wanted to.
i think anyway.
moot point now though. the rangers could definitely use bowden… just not as much as buchholz, heh.
the preceding post was a great success.
im not ready to accept this
until we get confirmation from nadia
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 21, 2009 2:19 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
LOL
OMG (Oh my God)!!!! Eric Hurley is DFTS (Done for the Season)!!! This sucks for the Rangers because Hurley is so awesome. He threw like 200 innings last year with an ERA somewhere around 2. I hope there isn’t a lot of extra stuff going on right now
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 21, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
The problem is that no Eric Hurley
means there’s a greater chance we are going to be subjected to The Dustin Nippert Horror Show.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Is that supposed to be a reply to me?
Because it seems pretty out of place.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Yes, Dustin Nippert has no
business being on a major league pitching staff that is serious about winning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
why?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Nippert has the capability
to throw lighting bolts (which is why he’ll keep getting chances) but he doesn’t throw enough strikes to ever be an effective pitcher in the bigs.
Losing Hurley means Nippert’s chances to make the staff increase.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
If Nippert had control, he would be great
but since he doesn’t, like so many other former prospects with talent, he is not that good. Command is one of, if not the most important thing involved in pitching.
see Daniel Cabrera etc
Next Year! We Swear!
I have no problem
having someone like Nippert eat some innings instead of calling up a real prospect too early. But I certainly hope he’s not starting more than that kind of emergency need.
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right
but would you rather have a robinson tejada, kam loe, doug mathis, john bannister or dusitin nippert on your ML staff?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
whichever one of those pitchers has the best
control would be my choice…guessing KLoe
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
so you would rather have someone who has good control but nothing else over someone who could be great if they put it together?
hmmm this may work for say the boston red sox but were not contending year in and year out and we can afford to take the chances
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
You guys are being too negative
He might recover and start throwing in the mid 100s like that kid in Rookie of the Year.
by LiamP on Jan 21, 2009 2:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Did you just say funky butt loving?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 21, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Not the "L" word
Dr. Keith Meister performed the operation, which also included work on the labrum in Hurley’s right arm.
lol
yes, even me
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Rich has post up:
RHP Eric Hurley had surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff and frayed labrum today.
Hurley will start a throwing program in 12 to 16 weeks and is likely out for the season.
Dr. Keith Meister, the team physician, did the surgery at Medical Center of Arlington. Hurley had an injection in August and has been rehabbing since December, but things didn’t get better. He saw Dr. Lewis Yocum this week, who confirmed Meister’s diagnosis.
This certainly hurts the Rangers rotation. The club was excited about what Hurley could do in spring training.
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/hurley-is-out-for-the-season.html
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
has a*
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
so among DVD and H
only Diamond has a chance to make an impact and he is coming back from TJ surgery. Who would have that that when we had Hurley, Danks, Volquez and Diamond. That only Diamond would still be standing, albeit on one leg. Wow. At least our farm system has a ton of guys in it, and hopefully they dont get hurt
Next Year! We Swear!
I'm not saying we didn't get value from Volquez
I love Hamilton and what he brings. I was only going back in time when those guys were moving through the system.
And, no McCarthy doesn’t count. He’ll be the 2nd guy on the 60-day DL before too long.
Next Year! We Swear!
Keith Meister
Do his friends call him “Meister Meister!”
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 21, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
space for Jason Jennings!
Awesome!
by texnykazrus on Jan 21, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i am starting to wonder
if we even get Jennings. AZ is supposed to be interested and is pretty desperate now that four other pitchers have turned them down.
Uh, you mean put him on the 60-day, right?
Cause if we just dropped him from the 40 someone would pick him up for sure.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 21, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
I blame Nolan
Hurley was always healthy before he came on board.
/sarcasm
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 21, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
It's JD's fault
he works out with Hurley and forced Hurley to work too hard.
and, Nolan just sicked his army of snow monkeys on you
Next Year! We Swear!
Its JD's fault
He told and demanded Hurley to not get injured this year, but Hurley took that as an insult to himself, since he was a former #1 prospect for us, so he took the other route and decided to get injured.
If Nolan would have done the talking, none of this would have happened
/sarcasm
Is it Spring Training Yet?
by Smoak Some on Jan 21, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
x
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Dang it Obama.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
exactly
lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
You did this! He read your comments about him on this site and his sadness broke his shoulder!!!
Damn you, kok.
Just… Damn you.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 21, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
heh look at the top related diary on the top right hand side lol
by yours truly
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Damn you.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 21, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
HA!
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
No, seriously.
Damn you.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 21, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
hey not even i wanted something like this to happen to the guy
i only wish that on richie sexton.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 21, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Sigh.
This makes my ownershipping of AJM’s morning numbskullery seems so inconsequential.
This just sucks.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
not another season full of injuries. and it starts with our best pitcher.
I thought you said Tommy Hunter would be our best pitcher.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
He lead the team in 1st inning strikeouts the first week in August.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
no....
i said he would be one of our best. and looking back on my predictions from september. http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/9/9/611063/ot-which-nfl-decade-team-w#8629716. i am right about the Steelers winning the superbowl. so its pretty much a wrap that i was right about not taking Smoak.
Your sig when you where posting as Seth
Was “Tommy Hunter will be the best pitcher on the Rangers in 2009” Me- August 14th, 2008
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 21, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
You, you fucking moron.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
good one. how long did you take you to think that one up?
since it applies so well here because i obviously dont know my own name.
maybe this will make you feel better
Hurley was not our best pitcher. Our best pitchers were at AA last year
Next Year! We Swear!
that's okay guys, that's okay
it’s not like we’re suppose to go anywhere this year. realistically, get him healthy, 100%, for next year…
asdfkljasl;dfj;alsdjfl;jaweiofn akl;sjf ;lwjefi;o wjfio;ajweflj~!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EFFING TINSTAAP!
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
The Wrestler
who to root for now
I was rooting for Hurley to win a rotation spot in ST. With Feldman almost guaranteed a rotation spot, I guess I will have to root for Diamond to win a bullpen spot.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
No
Hope for Diamond to win that spot in the rotation.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Root for a Sheets signing
Which pushes Feldman and Harrison in the 4th and 5th spots of the rotaiton.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Not to mention the gas that would be saved
Sheets, McCarthy, and Hurley can carpool to Dr. Keith Meister’s office.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
HH will have to
come up with yet another username after this.
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WimpyWhittleman
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
You invoked him T-ball
A pox upon your house. j/k
I’ve been wondering when we will receive HH’s sage advice.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
Ah fuck
Well, at least Feldman will get his shot in the rotation for sure now, solidifying my spring training Cy Young pick.
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
Spring training Cy Young
is called the Kam Loe award.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
After this season
Regular season Cy Young will become the Feldman.
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
I disagree
3 years from now, after his 3rd consecutive Cy Young, I could definitely see it happening.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Only if blunder boy doesn't get talked into trading him
for magic beans… err “prospects”.
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
Thanks
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
YAY.
I can put up my fake Eric Hurley interview.
Iorange555: First off let me say, I’m really sorry to hear about you being out for the season. I was looking forward to seeing what you were all about, but hey better luck next year. You are expecting to be back next season, correct?
…..long pause. Hurley staring awkwardly into my eyes.
Hurley: Yeah sorry dude I totally just spaced out and started to eye fuck you, nice pupils. But they expect me to be back, I’m pretty disappointed, I wanted to prove myself this year. Fight for my role on the team, somethings just don’t work out though.
Iorange555: Yeah, I hear that. I was having a tough time a few years back and decided, I would take up male stripping, I ended up spraining my left nut, which I didn’t know could happen. I couldn’t walk for days. I had to strip in a wheelchair, pretty bad.
Hurley: Wow, yeah that sounds bad, I’m glad your um..your nut is feeling better now.
Iorange555: Yeah thanks. So do you know how this tear happened? How come they just found it?
Hurley: Alright, I’m going to be honest with you. I tore it on my own, on purpose. It was painful but worth it.
Iorange555: Wait, you’re telling me and everyone else. you injured yourself? I guess the obvious question is, why?
Hurley: Well Tommy got me hooked on this show called lost and I just started watching it, so I’m not sure what is happening. I’m focused this year on just catching up on lost.
Iorange555: You’re kidding right?
Hurley: No way! The show is so interested like I’m on the first season now and this chick who has been on the island for 16 years is warning the people that the others are coming and they stole her baby, it’s getting so good man. Look dude raises up shirt You see that bro? I got flight 816 tattooed on my stomach.
Iorange555: It’s flight 815…..
Hurley: No, you’re kidding right? The dude said it was 816 bleeping bleep I wanna stick my bleep up his bleeping bleephole and twist it the bleep around till he screams and yells my name like the bleep he is. that no good bleeping bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep, bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
Iorange555: So i guess we’re done here, good luck with lost. By the way they all die.
Hurley: BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP YOU! COME HERE YOU PUSSY.
Iorange555 was not seen after this interview.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
TTH (Trying Too Hard)
…and you chose to bleep out several words, but not “PUSSY”?
by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 21, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pussy is not a bad word.
Pussy cat? I’ve said pussy cat around my grandma before without a cheek slapping.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
Also it can't be trying too hard.
If I only put about 10 minutes of my life into it. Lmao (laughing my ass off) it’s not like I sit down for two hours working on some fake interview. I got pussy cats that need to be washed and fed.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
It wasn't worth 10 seconds.
Of anybody’s life.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 22, 2009 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know.
I feel pretty proud of it. But thanks for your input big guy.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
Damn you Mark Connor.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
may be out for the season
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Plus this
Hurley won’t be able to resume throwing for at least three to four months.
She does realize that when he does resume, it’s unlikely his first throw will be 90+ off a mound, doesn’t she?
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
she tells it like it is
at least she’s excited about the mini-camp though:
To have an offense combined with their growing defense is eerily intriguing because before anyone can see them coming, Texas will be there holding another trophy.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 21, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
She needs to stop putting things in parentheses
These bright stars have a huge weight upon their shoulders. They are the future of this franchise. It wouldn’t surprise me (no pun intended) if they aren’t feeling a little of that weight.
That’s not even a pun, damnit.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
Maybe something to do with Suprise, Arizona or something.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Okay, seriously guys
Stop giving her site hits, or examiner.com might actually think she’s being successful.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
Does the pantheon of Rangers bloggers now go
Jamey, AJM, Lucas, Joey/Jason/John, Nadia?
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
Hey, I know you.
From way back when on NMLR.
And you know there should be very many ‘dots’ between John and Nadia, as well as an apostrophe :)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
That's me, one and the same...
I got carried away with my Rangers posting there for a while and had to take a step back. Hopefully I can keep it under control this time around.
Keith Law: (1:45 PM ET ) I think Michael Young should shut his mouth and move to third base.
Haha, I understand.
Welcome to LSB!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Jason Cole
He’s been blogging for a while now and posted on Jamey’s site under a different name back in the day.
Google is your friend...
Previously on 24...
by Kevin McBrayer on Jan 22, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
He's got great stuff too
But unfortunately, I can’t afford to subscribe to his site.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Same hear.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 22, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Shit...
I can’t believe this shit is starting already. Can’t even wait ’til Spring Training?
Fuck this is depressing.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Can someone explain to me
Why everyone is so depressed about Eric Hurley missing a season? It’s like the end of the world.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
Because
Edinson Volquez – gone
John Danks – gone
Thomas Diamond – like he’s gone
Brandon McCarthy- like he’s gone
Eric Hurley – gone
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Because its another top prospect the rangers are going to get nothing out of
And noone likes Dustin Nippert and Scott Feldman.
the preceding post was a great success.
Maybe..
I just don’t get it cause I never really liked Eric Hurley, when watching him pitch I never got the feeling he would ever be that good. I never expected him to ever help this team anyways.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
..were you following the rangers when he was our #1 prospect?
the preceding post was a great success.
Hmmm.
Probably not as closely as I do now. But yes, I’ve always been a Ranger fan. I don’t care if he was or not though. I’m saying when I watched him pitch I didn’t get the feeling that he was anything special.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
did you only watch him in the Majors or AAA?
because he wasn’t at his best then
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
he hasnt been "at his best" since AA
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 22, 2009 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
ok
but you should understand that there was a lot of hype about him and that scouts thought (and still did until today) that he had #2 or #3 potential, which the rangers could really use.
thus, it should be obvious why people are upset.
the preceding post was a great success.
dshep
come on…who thought that he was still a #2 or 3?
he was only a #2 or 3 if he gained the velo back and started pitching like he did in AA.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 22, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
His ceiling was still as a number 2
Though that was becoming more unlikely to happen. He still had a very good chance at becoming number 3 starter unless you are only looking at his AAA stats to decide what his ceiling is.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
his ceiling was a #2
if he pitched as well as he did in AA at the ML level
and hes not/hasnt/didnt (4 starts isnt anything)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 22, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
There's a hell of a lot more to a pitcher's ceiling
Than their ERA in AA, AAA, whatever.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Whether you liked Hurley or not...
this team has taken nothing but repeated kicks to the nuts when it comes to pitching and developing pitchers. This just continues with the list of bad luck/moves.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
wow
I get home and find out I’m almost failing English, ENGLISH!, and then see that this happened. talk about a bad 5 minutes.
anyways, is this injury similar to the one that happened to one of Toronto’s pitchers last year (i believe it was either McGowan or Marcum)?
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
From what I found Marcum had TJ and Mcgowan 'just' had the frayed labrum and not the torn rotator cuff.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
McGowan*
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
You fail English? That's unpossible.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
This sucks.
Hurley is awesome. This year was going to be the year of the Hurley! =(
Rangers sign Omar:
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/01/rangers-sign-omar-vizquel-to-minor-leagu.html
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
And on top af all this shit,
Friedo has left the Ticket.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
WTF?
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
No
one survives leaving the nurturing bosom……..except for Curt Menefee.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Jan 21, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Followill
?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
My first thought was
that he was going to 105.3 The Fan. I am surprised that it is ESPN.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
no kidding
someone has to wipe his butt, feed him and run his website.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
PLEASE LISTEN!.....
I am close to the Hurley family as “shroomer” can atest too. Shroom, (stlc……)…….
Eric Hurley did NOT tear his rotator cuff OR his labrum. The story that was posted was wrong. I can gaurantee this.
by nutsonthetable on Jan 21, 2009 7:56 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Okay, prove it. lol.
"No... JD has been exposed as a kid who trades his remote-controlled helicopters for paper airplanes, then fails to consider the feelings of the paper airplane when he refolded it into a hat." -Telegraph.
by Kinslerhomer on Jan 21, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
you're
a beautiful mammal.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 21, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this the same guy who said Eric Hurley wasn't finished for the year?
After they said he was done for the year..
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Here we go.........
Sound familiar?
I can tell you all this…..
Hurley is NOT done for the year. I can honestly say T.R. Sullivan got bad information.
Hurley has thrown everyday for the past week and will throw of a mound a couple times next week.
Just letting you know. Take this information as you will. But Hurley is NOT done for the year.
by sidebar54 on Aug 24, 2008 2:17 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
why would the a rangers official website reporter post a false story?
the preceding post was a great success.
DSheppard,
I would like to apologize if my information is incorrect. It was not told to me directly but it’s what I gathered. Maybe it was merely jumping to conclusions. Again, I am sorry if I stated bad information. It was not my intention. Hopefully he can get back on the bump in the near future and show us all he can be as good in the show as we all thought he could be.
by nutsonthetable on Jan 21, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa
What happened to being “close to the Hurley family” and “I can garurantee this”? Now it’s “Maybe I was merely jumping to conclusions”.
Your apology is rejected.
by Anonymous New Guy on Jan 22, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
That would be great news, if true.
So….Prove It!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
still waiting...
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 22, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
A timeline of Hurley since he was in the big leagues.........
June 12th, 2008 – @ K.C. 6IP 6H 4ER 0BB 3K (92 pitches)
June 18th, 2008 – vs. ATL 5IP 5H 2ER 2BB 5K (106 pitches)
June 24th, 2008 – @ HOU 6IP 6H 2ER 3BB 1K (88 pitches)
June 29th, 2008 – vs. PHI 5.2IP 5H 1ER 2BB 3K (102 pitches)
His next start was supposed to be on Saturday, July 5th. He had a hamstring pull the week before and was not able to make this start. After THREE weeks and not being on the mound, he is asked to throw a rehab start in Frisco.
7.1IP 4H 0ER 1BB 2K
The line looks great. However, he threw 94 pitches in this rehab start. After this start is when his arm started to be an issue. He then made this start shortly after his arm was hurting, which we all knew was bothering him because it was in the news:
July 27th, 2008 – @ OAK 2IP 4H 6ER 2BB 1K (50 pitches)
Is it normal for a pitcher to make a 94 pitch rehab start after not throwing for three weeks? Anyone know? If not, I am pointing at this point to when Hurley’s shoulder started bothering him.
Weird.............
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Wierd that I box quoted sidebar54 at the exact same time he posted the above.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I'm no injury expert
But I don’t think 25 extra pitches after a rest is going to suddenly tear your rotator cuff.
And I imagine they didn’t limit the pitch count since it wasn’t his arm he was rehabbing.
It does seem high, but for a hamstring problem I imagine many pitchers wouldn’t even take a rehab start at all before re-entering the rotation.
the preceding post was a great success.
Did he not throw for 3 weeks?
Or did he not pitch in a real game in 3 weeks?
Big difference there…
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 21, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
at first i was in shock
but i think now that its had time to sink in, we pretty much just have to accept that hurley is finished. now all that’s left to be written is where he will end up on adam’s top 50 all-time rangers list.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 21, 2009 9:52 PM CST reply actions
Ughhh
Horrible news for the Hurley and the Rangers.
I usually go by the maxim that if a pitcher needs Tommy John, he has a good shot at coming back just as good if not better than he previously was (because of the tendon they attach in the surgery).
Anything with the shoulder, however, and it’s likely that they’ll never be the same.
I’m also somewhat wondering if it might even be worth dropping Hurley from the 40-man roster if we have a roster crunch sometime.
R
40
he can just go on the 60-day DL, which I expect will happen soon.
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Can't happen until mid March I think
I believe guys can only be placed on the 60 day DL right before the season starts. I may be wrong on that. But I believe for instance if we signed someone before spring we wouldn’t be able to open up a spot on the 40 by DLing Hurley
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
They won't need the spot
before then as far as I can tell.
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Get Well Soon, Eric
Praying for your speedy recovery. Hope your surgery went well. We’re looking forward to seeing you back on the mound.
Will discuss this further. I should be back home tonight. My Dallas homebound flight leaves later this afternoon.
A Texas Designer's Map of the World
This sucks.
This might suck worse than any other Rangers news that has ever sucked. Pitching karma hates the Rangers.
Mateo leg?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Palmer Bicep?
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
ugh
hurts me to the core even today.
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 22, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
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