Would you trade Chris Davis?
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 9:28 PM CST
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Before I begin, if I begin to ramble I apologize, I tend to ramble.
With this said....
Tired of the Sheets talk, just read the thread over at Minor League Ball on CD....just trying to shake it up a bit. Want to see what you boys/gals think....
So...I know we all love us some Crush...kid is a stud in the making IMO, I know that some folks at MiLB pointed out his stats don't point to such, but I have a hankerin' that his ability to figure out what he needs to improve on, and then to actually improve on it will make him a special player...kid is a leader waiting in the wings I think, I get the drift that he is a very smart ball player.
With this being said...
Would you trade him after seeing Smoak light up September '09 and the first half of '10?
Is this a no brainer? What kind of package would you want?
One frontline starter + some low level prospects (P or 3B) or a mid rotation guy plus a bullpen arm + a couple of A prospects? You tell me. I mean shitfire, the kid is locked up for years.....he has to be our most attractive trade piece should he continue to progress at the ML level as most of us think he will...plus he's rep'd by Boras and, well, we all know how that ends.
Like I said in my hypothetical Smoak rakes for almost a year, don't forget that he's a switch hitter so that would solve that debatable "too many lefites in the middle of the order" thing....plus I know you'd have a hole at DH I guess, figure in that Max has shown his stuff for 300 ABs and shows he belongs, thus having no holes at 1b or DH.
As much as I hate to say it, if all the above falls into place, I think it's a no brainer to trade Davis given the right return.
Thoughts?
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I thought I heard a rumor somewhere that the Rangers and Royals talked about Greinke at the deadline and that Davis was the players the Royals wanted.
If that proposal involved some assortment of Davis, Saltalamacchia, and Hurley, I will be plenty displeased.
by oc on Jan 24, 2009 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're still stuck on that ?
Give Davis a full season man. Who knows what he would bring a year from now, 40 bombs later, still young, with several years of control left. Smoak being ready at that point, plenty of offense still available, and you’re trying to ditch him now?
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want an efficient pitcher, you have to give up something good for him. It's quite simple actually.
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by oc on Jan 24, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, but you're just infatuated with Greinke
You don’t seem to want to target any other pitchers.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke is one of the best pitchers out there on the wrong team.
But none of that matters when you have the dazzling résumé of free-agent pitching signings that we do!
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by oc on Jan 25, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Smoak was legit and Max could fill the DH hole that CD left behind...
You wouldn’t trade CD for a legit package in return?
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke's control years are the main issue
2 years of him is not worth Davis. That’s a terrible value swap. Somebody tell me if I’m off base — currently under various influences. But I just do not buy the whole “Davis’ value is peaking” bit. Let’s all remember where Worsh buried him in the batting order.
He’s gone in 5 (or however many) to the Yanks or Boston. Period.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying we trade him for Greinke
all I’m asking is that if Smoak is as legit as they say, and Max can fill the DH spot that CD will leave behind (due to Smoak taking over 1b), would you not use CD as a chip to get some pitching or whatever here. Nowhere did I say anything about Zachary Greinke.
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
he goes for a Nolasco type, and nothing less, imo.
It’d have to be a Volquez – Hamilton situation — something I see happening a year or two from now. Anything but AGon redux.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I shoulda put the dates further ahead....
So you would trade CD, that’s really all I wanted to see, is who would and would not do such.
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grienke is actually a Nolasco type
Grink actually out tRA+’d Nolasco last year. It’s just that Grink’s clock is running out.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That, by my definition, is not a Nolasco type.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grienke > Nolasco.
Assuming he’s amenable to an extension.
And maybe even if he’s not.
The Grink is a stud.
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I hate Michael Young.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 24, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah
but as it stands, Nolasco >>> Greinke.
This extension assumption cannot be overlooked. That is the crux of the matter, imo.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For clarifications sake
you’d give up 5 years of CD for 2 yrs of Grinksky (or however that adds up)?
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
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by oc on Jan 24, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss that stuff.
Damn job.
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another picture that has nothing to do with the statement that preceeded it.
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by oc on Jan 25, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I’m saying that you’re chiefing some chron if you honestly believe that.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 25, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
OC
would you want anything on top of ZG for CD? Or is straight up cool enough?
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's break it down this way.
- I predict the Royals will give it a valiant effort in the first half of the season, but will ultimately crumble and begin to sell off their parts much in the same vein Jon Daniels did in ’07.
- The Royals are going to want to maximize the return for Greinke, so look for them to package him with another player (someone like Ron Mahay). Dayton Moore has a knack for putting together good bullpens, so I could see him moving an expendable relief pitcher to bring back more prospects, ala Mark Teixeira (everyone needs a bullpen arm at the deadline)
- Continuing to use the first Teixeira trade as a blueprint… Greinke has more working for him. He’s a top-of-the-rotation starter, clean bill of health, sound mechanics, strong peripherals… and he’s just entering his prime at 24. Take all this into consideration and it’s hard to imagine Greinke bringing back a bounty less than Teixeira did.
- Let’s suppose Ron Mahay was never included in the Teixeira deal and that Schuerholz wasn’t on his way out… the return for Tex alone probably would have been somewhere along my lines… three players; one stud prospect (Davis) and a couple of guys with limited upside who are controllable (Hurley, Saltalamacchia) for a year and a half of an All-Star caliber player.
I would still do that deal at this year’s deadline… though Sheets and Hurley’s injuries definitely change the scope of things.
My estimation: Greinke is so ready to get the hell out of Dodge, that coming to Texas would be a breath of fresh air. He’ll see what kind of plan we have in place and want to be a part of it. His numbers might swell a bit playing in Arlington, but I don’t think it’s enough to dissuade him from wanting to sign an extension with a team with more initiative and direction than the Royals.
The Rangers deal some guys, yes… but, lest we forget, this is a pretty deep farm system.
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by oc on Jan 24, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good stuff OC
and you get a rec for using bullet points
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People will tell you that the trade isn't worth it because Greinke will hit free-agency in two years.
Then they will tell you that you are sacrificing the bullish win shares of three controllable prospects for one guy who just plays one day out of the week.
What they forget to tell you however are the win shares of the players already on the team and the prospects who fill the holes of those departed. They don’t tell you about the depth.
Zach Greinke could play like shit for two years and leave, and we would be out Chris Davis, Eric Hurley and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.
But we still have Justin Smoak and Elvis Andrus. We still have Michael Main, Blake Beavan, Derek Holland and Neftali Feliz. We still have Max Ramirez and Taylor Teagarden.
And most of those guys are still on your stupid Top 100 Prospect list!
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by oc on Jan 25, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be honest with you
2 years doesn’t mean as much to me as production does. Plain and simple. But if you can get a Buchholz with more years and give up less (Salty + a non-Holland/Feliz pitching prospect), vs. giving up a Davis + a non-Holland/Feliz pitching prospect for Greinke…I’d take the Buchholz deal. Not that it’s on the table. But, Salty + Main has been discussed
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by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 2:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could livw with that if it was Chris Davis OR Salty & someone comparable to Hurley (since he's injured now)
But no fucking way is 2 years of Zack Grienke worth all three of those guys. I don’t care how much “depth” or ability to absorb that loss we have.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 25, 2009 2:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we have a lot of good prospects still available
just dump off the extra parts!!
It makes perfect fucking sense.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 25, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're forgetting a huge point to this whole thing
Atlanta was the only team dumb enough to give up that much for Tex. No one was actually offering anything close. Moore can try to expect something at least as good as the Tex return for Greinke, but even the top SP that have been traded these past few years haven’t yielded a return anywhere near as great as Salty/Davis/Hurley (or probably Harrison with Hurley injured).
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by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
When we made that trade with Atlanta we only received one player who was ML ready and even he was barely ML ready. Feliz hadn’t pitched in full season ball yet, Andrus was in High A (albeit at a very young age), Jones was in A ball, and Harrison was injured in AA.
So I think it would be wrong to give up 2 or 3 guys with ML experience no matter how good of depth we have. A comparable package may be Martin Perez, Kennil Gomez, Marcus Lemon, Kasey Kiker, and Davis.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 25, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So I think it would be wrong to give up 2 or 3 guys with ML experience no matter how good of depth we have.
Is it really that bad of a loss?
We’ve seen what Davis is capable of. The verdict is still out on Saltalamacchia, moreso now that he will apparently be platooning for another year. And Hurley… well…
It’s easy for me to say that a deal like that should have been made considering the present, but I was saying this back in August.
I’d rather give up the expendable big-league unknowns than the next wave of prospects.
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by oc on Jan 25, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me... what great top-of-the-rotation starters have been dealt this decade with two or more years remaining on their contracts?
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by oc on Jan 25, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
garza
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 25, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Volquez?
may not be a TOR guy but he’s pretty close.
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by Dirk Diggler on Jan 25, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got me.
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by oc on Jan 25, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your point holds, though
it does not happen often, and when it does the cost is steep.
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by t ball on Jan 25, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many years did Joshua Von Beckett have left on his deal when he got dealt?
Seems like at least two.
Then there’s Dan Haren and Eric Bedard from last season.
What about Brad Penny to the Dodgers? Seems like at least two there.
The Curt Schilling to Arizona trade was this decade, though I don’t know how much time was left on his deal.
I guess Harden only had a year and a half left when he was dealt this past season.
That’s all I got off the top of my head.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 26, 2009 2:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping someone would say Bedard because there were red flags with him already and it's pretty obvious the Seattle public knew they were over there heads.
But doesn’t Dan Haren help my argument?
The guy was dealt with 3(?) years remaining for free-agency… for a pretty good bounty… has a successful season with D-Backs, and promptly signs an extension.
Garza was a need-for-need swap, but made sense because of the service time. And Schilling was dealt for spares on two occasions.
However, I don’t think it’s profoundly absurd to think that Greinke’s service time should hinder us from making a move for him. The A’s got back Eveland, Smith and Anderson for basically a year of Haren before he decided he wanted to stay a Diamondback.
It’s not impossible to think that Greinke wouldn’t want to sign an extension here, especially considering what he would do for this team with better pitching on the way.
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by oc on Jan 26, 2009 2:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Haren doesn't help your argument
Oakland traded a great SP prospect in Brett Anderson, but a guy with just a handful of innings in high A. Greg Smith was a (near?) ML ready SP, but didn’t have that high of a ceiling. Eveland is a bottom of the rotation starter at best. And then you got Cunningham and Carlos Gonzalez, two good-great OF prospects, but still prospects. And Haren was much better than Greinke leading up to the trade with less question marks around him. Yet even Haren wasn’t bringing in a Major League power hitting 1B, a top young catcher, and a near ML ready SP with a mid-rotation ceiling.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 26, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
READ
We’ve seen what Davis is capable of. The verdict is still out on Saltalamacchia, moreso now that he will apparently be platooning for another year. And Hurley… well…
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by oc on Jan 26, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can read
And it still doesn’t do anything to help your case. Haren did not bring back any top Major League talent. He brought back prospects. You are suggesting we trade 2 Major League players under team control for a while, each with great ceilings, for 2 years of a lesser pitcher than Haren. On top of that, the Royals aren’t going to trade for Hurley now. It makes little sense to trade for a guy who just went under the knife for a rotator cuff injury unless they really, really like Hurley.
Oh, and I forgot to ask, what does this mean?
The A’s got back Eveland, Smith and Anderson for basically a year of Haren before he decided he wanted to stay a Diamondback.
Dan Haren had 2 years left on his contract with a team option for 2010 when he was traded
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 26, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that it matters anymore, but I think you seriously overvalue Hurley and Saltalamacchia. They weren't 'top' Major League talent last year or this year.
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by oc on Jan 26, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salty right now
is being talked about in a trade for Buchholz. He isn’t enough on his own for Buchholz, but IMO, its not so far off where JD is crazy for asking for that. He was the top catching prospect in baseball a couple of years ago and has been jerked around in the Majors ever since with inconsistent playing time. He still has plenty of upside and is young and under team control for 4 more years. He’s not a proven star, but he is still a very valuable trade piece. I don’t consider Hurley top Major League talent, I was referring to Davis/Salty. To clarify that a bit, I’m talking about their huge potential while being very young and already in the Majors. And you are seriously under valuing Davis in this whole thing.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 26, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah no shit.
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by oc on Jan 27, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about Chris Carter.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 26, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about him
but still, a 21 year old with 1 season of A ball under his belt isn’t anywhere near as valuable as the craziness that OC wants..
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 26, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But to get him (the guy the A's absolutely HAD to have) they gave up Carlos Quentin.
Which, if you think about it, was a very close effing call for us Rangers fans.
Cause my guess is that if the D-Backs traded Quentin for Carter and then turned right around and dealt Carter to the A’s, they would’ve most certainly dealt Quentin just directly to the A’s if Beane had wanted him. In fact, I’m almost positive they offered Quentin to the A’s and the A’s said, No, we’d prefer a prospect. Use him to go get us one.
Can you imagine how much scarier the A’s would be with Quentin right now instead of Carter?
And how much better that trade would look from the A’s perspective?
The world’s greatest genius kinda screwed the pooch on that one.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 26, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's screwed the pooch a good few times before
Everyone has their mistakes. His just are overshadowed by his good moves (and they’re also very under publicized, which helps).
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 26, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shirley, you jest!
I still maintain that the Tim Hudson deal was good for them.
Charles Thomas is a good breakout candidate for them this year.
And Jeremy Brown is gonna make the West a very inhospitable place the next few years. The kid can hit.
And the Chavez and Crosby extensions?
Forget about it.
Without those contracts the A’s would probably be winning 12 games a year the last few years.
Or they’d just be contracted.
Either, or.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 27, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Chris Davis trades.
And it’s 6 years of CD.
I was just saying I like Grink better than Nolasco.
I think he’s the better pitcher.
If I had to trade Davis for one of those guys I’d deal him for Grink and then try to get him to agree to a big fat extension. 5 years 60mil or so. Maybe more.
When in doubt take the better player, or at least the guy you think is the better player.
There’s an argument to be made Nolasco is better, I just feel differently.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 24, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont trade Davis for Greinke prior to an agreed extension.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then I think your chances of acquiring Greinke
are seriously diminished.
But I get your point…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 2:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is zero point
in trading for 2 years of Greinke unless you get that extension. 1 year would be wasted because this team doesn’t make the playoffs with Greinke next year, unless you also get Sheets or something else.
I agree its diminished, but its really a dumb deal without the extension.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 25, 2009 4:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really really really dumb deal
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 25, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if he had been traded at the deadline it would have been two years AND two critical months to get us back in the playoff chase.
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by oc on Jan 24, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would have taken a lot more than just Zack Greinke to push us into the playoffs last year.
Unless you’ve figured out how to clone people, anyway…
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the epic contributions Hurley and Saltalamacchia made for us last August and September...
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 24, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make any sense
Even if you’re be factitious.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read the first post of this thread, Screech.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 24, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes even less sense
Because that would mean you’re saying we should’ve traded Hurely and Saltalamacchia because they got injured/didn’t get any playing time from their manager down the stretch. And that’s a combination of really stupid and 20/20 hindsight.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What would make sense
Is saying trading Hurley and Salty for Grink at the deadline might’ve been a palatable deal because then you have Grink for the entirety of 2009 and 2010 – which might have actually helped us increase our outside shot at backing into the playoffs this year especially if we where to add Sheets.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I've been saying this entire time, you nut.
I proposed this exact same trade months ago.
And sure, it might have taken more than Greinke to get us into the playoffs… but, I’d rather have a peaking Greinke in my ‘09 rotation than an unknown in Sheets, especially considering this rotation’s luck with injuries.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 24, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if that's been what you where driving at this whole time, I apologize
But you sure have a damned roundabout way of driving at something.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to keep a sense of mystery about yourself.
You should look into it.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 24, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't inform us
of when he takes a shit. Would that be perpetuating the enigma that is LSJ?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Jan 25, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah!
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 25, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we would only sign sheets for a one year deal in hopes he destroys and we can move him for another tex deal
dont you understand that?
that we are stocking this system deep for the next generation of being competitive? i know its cute to want to win now but i just dont think your proposal is remotely logical considering the long term plan
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by Jayslick on Jan 25, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By long term plan, do you mean, Blake Beavan, Michael Main, Kennil Gomez, Martin Perez, Wilfredo Boscan, Joe Wieland, Robert Ross?
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Sheets could fetch us a Tex-like return?
Please.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really love
That you called him Screech. It made me laugh heartily.
by brettgardner on Jan 24, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When you are a pothead
you say a lot of things that don’t make sense.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 25, 2009 4:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got any other dumb shit in that bag?
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This desire you have to trade the farm for Zack Grienke puzzles me
The guy would be under our control for 2 years (well, 1 and a half if you’re acquiring him at this years deadline, like you keep maintaining). I love Grienke too, but he ain’t worth Chris Davis unless the deal is contingent on him signing an extension.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Value basis: 2 Sheets years >>>>>>>>>> 2 Greinke years
Anybody disagree?
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A healthy Sheets anyway.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure the free market answers that question
if both were free agents and each got 2 year deals who do you think would get more money?
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 24, 2009 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the younger of the two?
the nutcase instead of the injury case? People throw AJ Burnett’s contract out there when talking about the exremely low contract Sheets is going to sign in comparison…but the problem with that is that one is a lefty, the other isn’t. And one crumbled when his team entered the post-season, and was hurt going into the off-season, the other wasn’t. I think Sheets in my mind would be money well spent vs. Greinke, all other things considered, but that’s just because I actually support a track record of success when pitching healthy (which Sheets holds the advantage in) and an injury history guy vs. a headcase guy. I don’t know what Greinke’s problems were, but somebody that can walk away from the game physically healthy for a whole year is a bigger risk in my humble opinion.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 2:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was debilitating depression dude.
Try this on for size.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 25, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hah.
not my point to be insensitive about the situation, just saying there are question marks surrounding each. so when everybody points to the Sheets injuries, I think you have to pull that out as well.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, but there does exist a myriad
of articles on him, and loads of acedemia that back up the fact that this is/was not a long term issue, more of a cascade of events that lead to the major collapse.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 25, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed.
I wish him the best, hell, I wish all MLB players the best, in terms of mental and physical health. But at the end of the day, if you’re going to be fair, you have to assess everything.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering Sheets' arm might fall off at any moment... I'll disagree.
If the Grink was on the market right now he’d be getting some serious dollars.
AJ Burnett dollar, probably.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 25, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's precisely why
We shouldn’t trade for him unless an extension is part of the deal. Because the only world in which he won’t try to take advantage of his value on the FA market is in OC’s dreams.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 25, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Or the one in which he realizes that pitcher's have a very high collapse/catastrophic injury rate and that 65 million birds in the hand beat 100 birds in the bush.
See: Dan Haren.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 25, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, obviously that was meant to be 100 million birds in the latter bush in the anlogy above.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 25, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In this same fantasy world, extensions are given out to players at the trade deadline.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sweet now all u gotta do is convince tex to sign it...
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 25, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You convince him to sign by winning with him!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Zito got "Barry Zito" money
and look how that panned out. It’s not the dollars that count…it’s the production. And while you are right about considering a 24 year old vs. a 30 year old with an injury history, I am still willing to say that when on an even playing field, Sheets beats Greinke in straight up ability and results.
And this is the Rangers we’re talking about. Do you want to trade some key pieces for Greinke, hope he’s got it? Or keep the prospects and sign Sheets for a 2 year, 24 mil deal with huge incentives, taking that gamble?
I’d take the gamble, and keep my array of prospects, personally
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 2:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But one player costs us a great player…the other doesnt
by Horns130 on Jan 25, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But you get a more reliable commodity back than the free-agent, doofus.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but why give up talent when u can get talent for nuthin and then if your not competitive you flip him for more top prospects
its like the yankees and Johan v. CC.
Johan may destroy but even if Hughes doesnt become more than a 3 or 4 or a good reliever they now have him and CC.
is hughes and CC worth more than Johan?
no doubt about it.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 25, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Know this is hard
But that is merely your opinion.
And you still dont address the concept of losing a great player for a rent-a-player
those kind of jackass moves have killed the rangers in the past…
getting players for 1 or 2 years is crap and your delusional if you cant see that
as others have said, if you can get Greinke to sign an extension that changes things…but he isnt going to do that
by Horns130 on Jan 25, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as others have said, if you can get Greinke to sign an extension that changes things…but he isnt going to do that
To put words right back in your mouth, that is merely your opinion.
So is this absurd notion that Greinke isn’t worth the risk. The fucking Brewers traded for a two-month rental and it only got them to the NLCS. This is two years dude.
Where are the Brewers today? Two top-of-the-rotation pitchers short, and a sparkling farm system away………. Well sonuvabitch! THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE TEAM YOU ROOT FOR!
But the Rangers can’t take the risk because these types of jackass moves have burned them in the past?
Delusional indeed.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even after the Hurley injury
There is still no way I do that deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 24, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That deal won't happen now because of how well Davis played this past year
Now Davis straight up for Greinke would be more than enough imo. In fact, I wouldn’t want to do it anymore.
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by Agreen07 on Jan 24, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak will be used to aquire Halladay.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 24, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind seeing that
if this team is on 88-90 win pace or so in the summer. I just wouldn’t want to see what the Brewers did where they trade a top prospect for a few months of a SP. If they trade Smoak, they better get some nice insurance pieces from Toronto in that deal.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 24, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But we get whole another year of Halladay.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 24, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be sick.
Sheets, Halladay, Feliz, Holland … sign me up for 2010.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
So a .285/.331/.549 line in his first 300 big league ABs at age 22 means the stats don’t point to him being a stud? Do explain…
by Topgun22 on Jan 24, 2009 9:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I don’t have the brainpower….
Some cats over at Minorleague ball were saying such, if you re-read my post I said that I think he’s going to be a stud…
Go read that thread, I don’t agree with them….
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
i think i read like 20% of that thread and i got a major headache. good to see Z kickin some ass though!
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 25, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate replying to myself, but...
That .880 OPS would have put Davis as the 12th best hitter in the AL last year (among those who qualified)
by Topgun22 on Jan 24, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
David Murphy: 2007
his first real taste of the majors:
103 at bats
.340 average
.916 OPS
55 total bases
I’ll support anybody, any day that says Chris Davis will be a very good ML hitter. But when those same people (not saying you’re one of them) takes Davis and holds his numbers in such regards, and then dismisses Murph’s 2007 stats, sample size and all considered, and says he isn’t even worth being our 4th outfielder…I offer my strongest dissent.
He followed it up with a very decent 2008, on pace for 42 doubles, 22 HR, 113 RBI and a .275 average/.786 OPS if he played all 162 games, very respectable numbers for a player in his first full year.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 3:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of those players was 22 years old coming off an ops over 1000 in the minors
The other was.. not.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 25, 2009 6:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to look at minor league track record a little there.
The Mosquito had never ever done anything even remotely like that in the minors, whereas Chris Davis was just crashing like a Chris Davis tends to crush.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 25, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true but whenever I point to minor league track records
I get the “but they haven’t done it in the majors yet” reply. I’m just saying, Davis can be every bit as good as his 2008 2nd half. But so many people write off Murph even where he has shown to have success at the major league level. And some players can continue to defy their minor league stats. Is it wise to bet on it? No.
Let’s pull out Matt Harrison’s minor league stats: nothing but near 3.10 ERA, and very good strikeout-to-walk ratios. He started out pretty ugly in the majors, but steadily increased the strikeout-to-walk ratio, and I think he’ll become a very good # 3 starter for us
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is an excellent problem to have...
Two years ago, wouldn’t Ranger fans kill to have Tex/Gonzalez on the same team? There is no debate about this. If Davis and Smoak both prove to be front-line MLB players, they will find a way to make it work. As CD nears FA years, with the Boras-client trend of walking after your FA year, you then explore trading CD. Until then, watch them both rake in the middle of the order for years to come.
"Congrats Rangers fans, you just found your replacement for Mark Teixeira. Just a crazy, crazy steal." -Goldstein
by Plum on Jan 24, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
right...but if you're a stud pitcher away,
and some team is crazy enough to offer a Lincecum for Davis and some additional pieces of value, do you not make that trade with Smoak and Max-Ram on your roster?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 3:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke aint Lincecum
but yeah Lincecum and we start talking
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 25, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
has Boras as a client right?
I think you give him 3 or 4 years here, then trade him for a load like the Tex deal, you’ll have Smoak on the roster possibly for 1-2 years. It all depends on how this team is performing together and if you aren’t able to sign Davis to an inexpensive extension buying out free agents years like some teams are doing with their young studs. I don’t think this is likely because of Boras — the agent who is sucking the life out of baseball and fans.
Next Year! We Swear!
by NothinG on Jan 24, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What if it's 2010 and we're seriously contending....
Like, one arm away……do you go all in? Would you pull the trigger?
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we are seriously contending
and we can trade him for another Ace or something like that, then yeah, I’ll trade Davis, but it has to be a pretty darn good arm because you don’t trade him unless that is what you are getting.
Next Year! We Swear!
by NothinG on Jan 24, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for a 3-month rental
i wouldnt do it. but maybe for someone that can help you now and for another year or two. im just leery of a sabathia type deal cus if you go all in like that and peter out in the ALCS youre fucked.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 24, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really "fucked"
bc you have Max shining at DH and Smoak at first…
But yeah, you’d eff yourseIf a legit piece…but with like you said, I wouldn’t make the deal unless you’re getting someone with a couple years of control…..don’t know if that would happen straight up though, you’d probably have to throw in a CD + bc the other team knew they had you over a barrel.
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess im just
thinking about the brewers and how difficult it will be for them to compete in 09. it really was a good time for them to go all in last year, it just didnt work out.
but i dont see that being the correct approach for the rangers in the near future. we have so much young, controllable talent here and on the way that id hate to see us sacrifice some of it on a one year gamble to try and win it all. i think we can have sustained success in a division that appears to be weakening (with the exception of the As). i guess the point is i wouldnt want to trade davis as a temporary upgrade with the potential to be a longer term loss; it should be a swap that helps us fortify a position of need from a position of strength that perpetuates our ability to have long-term success.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 24, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
I wouldn’t trade CD for a 3 month rental.
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will always make the big deal
for an ace pitcher from here on out. Look at what the Angels can do with key free agent hitting acquisitions, and a strong rotation and bullpen, year in and year out? Look at what the A’s can do with young starters pumping through every year? Look at what the Braves did with so many years of Smoltz, Maddux, plus guys like Avery, Millwood, etc.? Arizona with Schilling and Unit?
GIVE ME PERENNIAL PITCHING PROWESS!!!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 3:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak will be locked up pre-FA, imo
Non-Boras agent, IIRC.
Trade Davis in a year or two — provided that Cruz and Borbon develop in the OF — and lock up Smoak with a Kinsler-type extension.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by Chase Irwin on Jan 24, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the thought of smoak here
till 2017 or 2018 really roasts my marshmallows.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 24, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras
Don’t worry too much about Davis having Boras as an agent. There are some players like Tex who will do exactly as he says, there are others that will do what he says until they find out he is screwing them (see A-Rod and Varitek), and there are some that will listen to his advice but at the end of the day, will make their own decisions. If the Rangers offer Davis a good contract that guarantees him money through the next 6 years and gives the team options on him a couple of years past, I bet he takes it.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 24, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can add Andruw Jones and Kyle Lohse to the list of players Boras has royally screwed.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 24, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why has andrew jones been screwed?
he just got a fat buyout on a huge contract that he wasnt worth.
how exactly did Boras screw that up? Boras didnt feed him the jelly donuts…
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 25, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boras set the price for Jones over $100 million.
Jones never got his $100 million.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also sure Atlanta would have signed an extension of Jones
for at least the price of the contract he got from the Dodgers. Seeing as how he will probably never make a contract anywhere near that big ever again, I think that’s pretty big.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will never get tired of sheets talk.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Jan 24, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What if he signs with the Yanks?
Well, I guess that would open more avenues of Yank-bashing.
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I need an avenue?
I’ll take a bikepath. Walkway. Fire escape.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Jan 25, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You need nothing but a pulse
to jock the Yanks…..
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, as long as there's plenty of action beforehand, I suppose...
….wait. Wrong kind of sheets talk.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 24, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my classmates in art school spelled his name R-i-o-n.
He did that because it was a ‘different’ way of spelling ‘Ryan’.
This sums up art school.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 24, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn Hippies.....
yeah, I didn’t want y’all thinking I was some failed Soap Opera actor…someone already had dibs on Ryan A
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 24, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
i really like davis. a lot. i think he hits 35 HRs this year and probably 40 in 2010 or 2011. but as the name suggests im also a huge smoak advocate. i think this discussion is contingent, as you say, on smoak continuing his success as he ascends through our system and eventually reaches ‘the show.’ i think we can accommodate both of them on the big league team for a while, but if smoak comes up and is all he’s cracked up to be for a half a season or more then im perfectly willing to trade davis for premium pitching.
but just like the catching situation, we’re not totally handicapped by having multiple productive players at similar positions. we shouldn’t force a trade out of necessity if the value’s not equitable.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 24, 2009 11:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Davis
Let me start off by saying that I’m a huge Davis optimist. I might be blinded by his beastliness, but I’m perfectly fine with that.
Davis is a special kind of hitter. He’s one of those guys that you hang onto because you’ll never get a trade good enough for him. I don’t think he’ll be at Pujols’ value where there is no trade a team can make to give equal value, but I think he’ll be as good as Hamilton (who I think will also be much better next year). We won’t get one of the top pitchers in the league for him and we shouldn’t settle for anything short of that.
I think he’s going to develop some serious power (even better than where he’s at now) and continue improving on his weakness to the point where he will always be among the best bats in baseball. Smoak is a great prospect and projects to be a great hitter, but if Tex is his ceiling, I don’t think he’ll ever match Davis’ offensive production. The best thing to do is for the team to make a decision on what they plan on doing with MaxRam. If they want to keep him as a DH/back-up C, then trade Smoak and leave Davis at 1st. Or trade MaxRam, Smoak goes to 1st, and Davis is at DH. No matter what, the Rangers need to keep Davis here until he is at least 30.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 24, 2009 11:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That thread on Sickles' site
might have given me gout.
That was painful.
by Keynes on Jan 24, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
seriously....
some LSB’ers were representin’ in passionate fashion…..love it.
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just saw Quatum of Solace
and that girl in it is SMOAKIN!!!!
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 25, 2009 12:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Olga Kurylenko
Ya, she’s pretty striking.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 25, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Welp, that's a fun google image search!
And why couldn’t US papers have stories like this?
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 25, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure that's just a gossip/tabloids paper
go here to view my blog: dirtfromd.blogspot.com
by studcrackers on Jan 26, 2009 6:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm?
That girl is prob the ugliest Bond girl I’ve ever seen and he doesn’t even bang her. Casino Royale’s Eva Green is so much hotter it isn’t even fair.
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 25, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not the redhead...
OLGA KURYLENKO!!! The exotic looking one w/ the beautiful eyes… she’s perfect.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 25, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are crazy
That girl is gas.
I guess I’m used to looking at mid 30’s Denton ass or something…
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just cruise down to DHS right about 4 pm and "accidentally" wander into the gym.
What?
Cheerleading practice?
I didn’t know this would be going on!
Wait? What’s happening to my pants?
Why are they getting so… tight, all of the sudden?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 25, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think she's cute.
But isn’t calling someone “the ugliest Bond girl” like calling someone “the world’s poorest billionaire”?
I mean, it’s still pretty nice.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 25, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha touche
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 25, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
she's "exotic hot"
which is different than just plain hot to me.
is it a bad thing? no. But I can get annoyed by “exotic hot” types. and likewise, bored with “just plain hot”
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 3:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exotic = ugly.
by LiamP on Jan 25, 2009 4:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
Think about it – who are Maxim’s Top 100?
From my point of view, the “plain hot” ones: Marisa Miller, Jessica Biel, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Charlize Theron, Megan Fox, Molly Sims and the queen of plain hotness – Heidi Klum…no arguments there from me.
“exotic hot” ones: Scarlett Johansson (who I find to be very annoying), Elisha Cuthbert (annoying), Eva Mendes (annoying), Christina Aguilera (skank), Hayden Panettiere (goes from hot to weird looking), Rihanna (the definition of exotic), Eliza Dushku – all could go from super hot to extremely annoying to me in a very short period of time.
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by Walter Sobchak on Jan 25, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The annoying thing about Scarlett Johannson
Is how frigging overrated she is. Not that she’s bad looking or anything… just extremely overhyped.
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by lonestarJon on Jan 25, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
id say part of it is
she’s one of the few hollywood actresses with tits
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by studcrackers on Jan 26, 2009 6:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, yes
I, like you, would trade Davis for the right return. I’ll go one step further and say I’d trade anyone for the right return. The ball’s in your court.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Jan 25, 2009 12:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Realistically, could Josh Hamilton get you David Price?
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by oc on Jan 25, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Just based on the ages.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Jan 25, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Man that is just plain crazy to me….but maybe that’s the homer in me shining through.
Does it have to do with control years or just age?
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by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both
Plus the fact that elite pitchers are almost always more valuable than position players. And David Price is about as elite a young pitcher as you’ll find.
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by lonestarJon on Jan 25, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the stance that
young P’s are more valuable than PP’s. But, I mean, save the month or so that Price gave the Rays v. the whole year (give or take) that Hamilton gave the Rangers, seems like it’d be a push at best, if not more in our corner, no? Talk to me…
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's close
But Zips is figuring that Josh is on his slow downward swing. I think he’ll do better than expected but still, Price just finished his age 22 season and he’s one of the top ranked prospects in the game. Not pitchers. Game.
I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun.
by WyoRanger on Jan 25, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know.
Thanks man.
Would be a crime if Hamilton is indeed on the downward slope of his career.
Damn freebase. Cocaine’s a helluva drug…
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One Thing
That has to be taken into account though is the fact that TB could use the bat and have a surplus of pitching…
That could change things a bit
by Horns130 on Jan 25, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's impossible now that the whole city has fallen in love with him.
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by oc on Jan 25, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We would never find out if that can happen or not
Its one of those trades that neither team would ever make.
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by Gdawg on Jan 25, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
within 24 hours the ST goes from a sure thing to “maybe not” regarding sheets. I still say we get the done deal. I’m just concerned we might take too long.
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by iorange555 on Jan 25, 2009 12:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
deal done, done deal, deal done, done deal.
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by iorange555 on Jan 25, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the stance that
young P’s are more valuable than PP’s. But, I mean, save the month or so that Price gave the Rays v. the whole year (give or take) that Hamilton gave the Rangers, seems like it’d be a push at best, if not more in our corner, no? Talk to me…
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 12:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
part of it is
you’re trading for price based on what he could be, and that’s the best pitcher in the game and a multiple cy young winner
it’s a big reason why phil hughes wasnt traded last year, his high ceiling
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by studcrackers on Jan 26, 2009 6:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not so sure that Chris Davis is gone when his contract runs out
local boy who grew up a Ranger fan and gets to play in front of his family and friends…
seems to me like he’d be willing to stay if they money was even close. Plus, he seems like a down-to-earth guy unlike Tex’s douchiness (and I’m hoping that I’m not just speaking in a “hindsight is 20/20” fashion).
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by willamos2 on Jan 25, 2009 4:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn Mickey Rourke's face is so busted...
that it leaves me rather disgusted.
And my guess is that Davis stays a Ranger and Smoak is traded next offseason. Looks to me like two among the group of Davis, Smoak, MaxRam, and Salty are surplus. Surely JD can nab some legit rotation talent in exchange for that surplus.
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by tricer on Jan 25, 2009 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
CD...
Would I trade Davis? Sure, but it would have to be for a young ace under team control for as long as Davis is right now (no 5 years of Davis for 2 years of Greinke deals like discussed above) and I don’t think I would do it ’til 2010 when hopefully Smoak is ready to take over at 1B.
I would never say I wouldn’t trade anyone. However after the season that I think Davis will have this year it would take one hell of a young pitcher coming back to make me deal Davis. This kid is going to hit a ton.
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by slc ranger on Jan 25, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No
But I’m not exactly objective about him.
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by baseballismyboyfriend on Jan 25, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So I guess everyone is convinced CD is going to light it up despite what the folks at MiLB say? Are y'all sure? You're not letting the homerbone get in the way?
We’re willing to roll with him and not strike while the iron is hot (say in 2010)…booking on the fact that the rest of the league will never catch up to Davis?
Willing to trade Smoak instead of Davis even though Smoak is both a superior defenseman and he’s a switch hitter? Just a reminder, all of this is being said with the understanding that both Smoak and Max rake upon their full time arrivals.
Just Sign Him '09
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not saying everyone says this.....just the majority....I think, didn't tally anything up...
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
by Ryin A on Jan 25, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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