Torre blasts Yankees
by Stevoo on Jan 25, 2009 6:05 PM CST
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Joe Torre says a lot of interesting stuff about the Yankees and their players. You should take a look at it. One of them being that they told George Steinbrenner that Torre had cancer before they even told Torre.
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There's something spooky about George Steinbrenner knowning you have cancer before YOU do.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
I can just picture
George cackling a la the Star Wars evil empire, “excellent, exactly as planned…”
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Apparently
Verducci said that Torre did not actually blast hte Yankees
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
some quotes (quite funny)
Torre gets most personal in his attacks against Alex Rodriguez, who he says was called “A-Fraud” by his teammates after he developed a “Single White Female”-like obsession with team captain Derek Jeter and asked for a personal clubhouse assistant to run errands for him.
Torre, who left the Yankees and became manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers after the 2007 season, says Cashman never told the brass that the manager wanted a two-year deal and instead remained silent during Torre’s tense final sitdown with the bosses
so its the GM’s job to negotiate with the “bosses” – not torre or his agents? whaaaaaat
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Tonight, I’ve decided that I’m going to rent Single White Female.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 25, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
See, the whole idea of a this book bugs me.
Torre always portrayed himself as a “stand up, be a man, keep it behind closed doors” type when he was running the Yanks, and as soon as he leaves he is working on this book? This flies in the face of the stoic visage of Torre, staring down the reporters after they ask a tough question about one of his charges.
Remember, this guy was an ~.500 manager when hired by the Yanks, kind of their last in line. And he goes on to make 10m a year, and win all those titles, and now he’s pissed? WTF dude. You were a pimple on MLB’s ass before you lucked into that job, and now you are almost a 100% chance 1st ballot HOF’er.
Does Georgie suck, is he an ass? Yes. Does the media pressure in NYC suck, yes—-but it’s the same media that will vote you in to the HOF.
Get over yourself, enjoy your money, and you immortality. I just don’t get his ax to grind in this.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 25, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I love all of this
Anything that flies in the face of the Yankee Empire that portrays in a bad light or dysfunctional is great cause I really don’t give a shit about them or Torre. Let the flame wars start!
Sheets or bust
Oh, I hate the MFYs.
In fact, I almost got banned from a site for wishing an accident on them (cue darkness music).
I just think that was pretty shitty/wayyyy out of the “public facade” for Torre.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
It's all about
Selling his book! One must make-up some trash to sell it seems. Being a boring:
"stand up, be a man, keep it behind closed doors" type
doesn’t sell. This society is all about how to make a buck on bs.
by SanDiegoKev on Jan 25, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
So you don't think
Any of the stuff in his book happened it is all just made up and one big fat lie?
Sheets or bust
But why write the book at all is the question. If he was really the uber-classy "Players' Manager" he always claimed to be, what happened in the clubhouse would stay in the clubhouse.
It’s not like he’s hard up for cash.
He’s been getting huge paychecks for more than a decade now from the Yanks and now the Dodgers, plus he’s on those annoying commercials that I think are for car commercials.
Plus he’s super ugly as hell, so it’s not like he can go outside and spend any of that cash. There’s no way he’s allowed out in public looking like that. Certainly not family places like malls and supermarkets and movie theaters and box socials and things of that nature.
I mean, say you were a kid and you saw this coming toward you. Tell me you wouldn’t just give up on your nascent little life and jam your safety scissors into your eye.
I guess he could shop online, though.
But how many Amazon.Com Gold Box Deals can one guy need?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 25, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, the influence of managers -- in general -- is overrated as fuck to begin with.
The saddest part is that more than 3 people will buy the book.
STOP BUYING STUPID SHIT, PEOPLE.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 26, 2009 2:20 AM CST up reply actions
theres how many "good" managers out there
that actually have a meaningful impact games? 3? 4?
i forget the list i saw but i some stats guy went in and calculated how much impact managers had on the game
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 26, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions
I think if you view the manager
as strictly a guy over there giving the take or bunt signs or the guy deciding to send in the righty or lefty reliever, then yeah, those decisions probably don’t make a huge difference over the course of a season.
But if you view the manager as a leader of men, something like a field general on the battlefield, then I think you can safely say that the person in that role makes a pretty big difference. I think leadership is important and can have a drastic effect on productivity and success in just about any setting.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
Drastic?
Really? Would you consider Michael Young a leader before the recent tizzy?
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 26, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
I thought we were talking about managers?
I don’t know what type work experience you have, but in every work setting that I’ve ever been part of, the management made a drastic difference in the output of the worker bees.
I don’t think a worker bee can have that much positive effect on other worker bees, because they really aren’t in a position of authority.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
in every work setting that I’ve ever been part of, the management made a drastic difference in the output of the worker bees.
no offense, but i would hardly compare the corporate world to a sporting event
i mean does the guy next to your office/cube get use of a private elevator for he and his family 10 times a year as well as front row seats at all company functions?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 26, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think it is more a matter of human nature
Motivation is a powerful thing in an office or on a ballfield or anyplace else.
I think leadership can, and does, affect outcomes in a variety of ways that are underestimated, that’s all.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
I think it's a fine line
between management delegating day-to-day and worker bees having the aptitude to respond efficiently to management.
Chicken or egg.
Give me Sheets or give me Offseason Blues Part III.
by inactive lsb user on Jan 26, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno. I think it's pretty different.
If a co-worker gets on me to work harder at scanning my daily shit faster I’d tell him to fuck his own face.
If a sports teammate gets on me to work harder on the field I might actually listen.
Assuming I respect him, that is.
Of course that’s coming from someone who played a lot of sports up through high school and then zero above that level.
Maybe in college/the pros it’s totally different.
Who knows?
Not me.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 26, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I think it all has to do
with R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
Some managers receive it, others don’t. You can be the greatest baseball mind, but if you treat your players like cowflop then you’re going to get the respect a cowpattie does.
For example, if a manager has a) played the game at the professional level and, b) is up front with his players and does not bull shit and c) is a natural motivator then I 100% think that a manager has pull with his players that will make them go above and beyond….you get a piece of cowdung who garners no respect in the clubhouse as a manager then you’ll get some players who don’t give a shit and go out the night before games, gettin’ d’d and rolling in pregame hung over as hell…not only does it effect their play, but it also effects their teammates play bc they see a bunch of douchebags who went out and got shitfaced, not giving a shit about that days game while the others were in bed saying prayers at 9 pm.
Not trying to be “that guy” but I’ve been on teams where we had marginal talent and won championships with great coaching vs. unREAL talent with a coach who was only worried about being invited to the next keg party only to see us 2 and que.
Simple human nature I think.
Just my .02
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
I'd definitely say...
the worker bees can affect the other worker bees. Get somebody with a negative attitude in the workplace, it gums things up.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I agree
I don’t think worker bees can have much positive impact, but yeah a bad attitude can definitely gum things up.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
A great coach
can get the negative bee to reverse field, if that bee does not, then said coach kicks his ass to the curb bc he understands the negative effect that one guy can have in the locker room.
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
That's pretty much how I feel about managers and team leaders in baseball
A manager could have some other great teaching qualities, but as far as leadership is concerned, I think a good manager/leader can only do so much for the team. A bad one, like an Ozzie Guillen or John Gibbons, can do a whole lot more in wrecking the team.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I agree with you
management makes it tick in any facet of life.
but I do think that the social implications of failure make one look to their left or right, look what their peers are doing and try to match or exceed that in order to not look like a failure.
This is where I think having a teammate on your team who is a hardass (but not a prick) is a great, great thing.
.02
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
Come on now, that's a baseball face.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 26, 2009 3:03 AM CST up reply actions
Jim Bouton...
once described a woman as “sort of a Joe Torre with tits,” and then went on to say that that joke could only be explained with a picture of Joe Torre, but that none exist because his face melts camera lenses.
"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."
I think
it probably is true, maybe some of it is exaggerated, but if it were not for the incentive to sell, we would never hear about it.
I like
it, great way to sell books.
Learning from the best, Jose Canseco
"Being successful in life isn't about how smart you are or how hard you try, its how big of an ego you have." - Miles
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