Benoit Out First Half of Season (Maybe More)
by cstorm15 on Jan 28, 2009 2:52 PM CST
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Rangers RHP Joaquin Benoit had arthroscopic surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder Tuesday in Cincinnati.
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"Joaquin was affected most of last season, and it didn't allow him to perform to his abilities," said Rangers GM Jon Daniels. "He attempted to rehab the injury this off-season. He worked hard but the results weren't there. From all accounts, the surgery went well and he can begin the process of strengthening his shoulder now."
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From Jamey:
According to at least one local reporter, righthander Joaquin Benoit has had
surgery for a rotator cuff tear and, at best, will return late in 2009. But
even that’s probably a longshot.
The 31-year-old is entering the second year of a two-year, $6 million
contract, after which he’ll be a free agent.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chad Cordero
please.
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 28, 2009 2:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
why do you like him?
he was good what, 3 years ago?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 28, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's not good.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 28, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Sheets first.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 28, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
I had high hopes for benoit this year.
Makes the veteran reliever pretty much a necessity.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 28, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, good thing there's
several good options out there unsigned.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he'll be out for the year
you know you’re a team when you all get the same injuries. yeah team!!
Next Year! We Swear!
by NothinG on Jan 28, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Damn
that was $6 mill down the toilet. I really thought he was gonna be solid after 2007, looked like he’d turned the corner
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
by trident on Jan 28, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Been there, done that.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 28, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good hell...
another one bites the dust.
Now the Rangers do need to go sign another RH reliever.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jan 28, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat-related question
Is there a good way to find out how much of a contract is insured?
by cstorm15 on Jan 28, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
x
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I stocked
up… Its the fucking rangers.
Its time...
by PM Productions on Jan 28, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Good point
I will go out and get some more
Sheets or bust
by boomer1 on Jan 28, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have some milk
left over from my shopping trip, and maybe a tiny bit o’whiskey.
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have some Bailey's
but not goign to poor that out for Benoit.
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
by rangers85 on Jan 28, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This only affirms
in my mind that, more than Ben Sheets, we must sign another reliever. Chad Cordero, Gagne, Guardado, maybe all three! This is getting ridiculous.
However, I will remind you of two things..
1. If Derrick Turnbow is truly healthy, he is Joaquin Benoit of 2007 quality.
2. If we sign Sheets, that could and probably will bump Feldman to the bullpen, and he can take a spot, and I remind you he is effective(not necesarily great) out of the pen.
Its time...
by PM Productions on Jan 28, 2009 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Additionally
IF the Rangers are contenders, then a Joaquin return in August/September might just be that extra arm that is extremely useful late in the season after the roster expands and the arms that have been pitching all year are wearing down.
Its time...
by PM Productions on Jan 28, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
turnbow?
i was never under the impression he was that good even in his good years
i could be wrong?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 28, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Turnbow's
good YEAR not YEARS he was better, not equal.
a lot to expect, but a possibility
Its time...
by PM Productions on Jan 28, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?
Aren’t we supposed to be at least a week or two into ST before the injury bunny starts whipping our asses?
This is getting silly.
by Athos on Jan 28, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The earlier the better.
Get ’em out of the way.
by NoNameOnCard on Jan 28, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
benoit sucks anyways
no big loss.
Let’s go get Aki.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Jan 28, 2009 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OBTW, we've been modded
Yay!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
huh?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 28, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad fanpost deleted.
But alas, I missed the other one still there.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reliever List Free Agents
Luis Ayala (31) – Type B, not offered arb
Joe Beimel (32) – Type B, not offered arb
Joe Borowski (38)
Shawn Chacon (31)
Chad Cordero (27)
Juan Cruz (30) – Type A, offered arb
Elmer Dessens (37)
Brendan Donnelly (37)
Scott Elarton (33)
Randy Flores (33)
Keith Foulke (35)
Eric Gagne (33) – Type B, not offered arb
Tom Gordon (41)
Eddie Guardado (38)
Jason Isringhausen (36) – Type B, not offered arb
Tyler Johnson (27)
Jon Lieber (39)
Aquilino Lopez (34)
Will Ohman (31)
Al Reyes (38)
Dennys Reyes (32) – Type B, offered arb
Ricardo Rincon (39)
Rudy Seanez (40) – Type B, not offered arb
Brian Shouse (40) – Type B, offered arb
Russ Springer (40) – Type A, not offered arb
Ken Takahashi (41)
Julian Tavarez (36)
Mike Timlin (43)
Ron Villone (39)
Kip Wells (32)
Matt Wise (33)
Jamey Wright (34)
The name that jumps out at me on that list….
You know it… The electrician, Jamey Wright… I am expecting a 1 year deal any day now
Its time...
by PM Productions on Jan 28, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Screw it.
Offer NRIs to all of them, and roll with the 6 that accept first.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Isringhausen anywhere close to healthy?
And, more importantly, is Tom Gordon still alive?
Good lord Flash has been around a long time.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 28, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember
that Ringo (an Cordero) weren’t going to be ready until June but can’t find the source…
by Goyogringo on Jan 28, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Type A status is killing Juan Cruz
Gagne, Cordero, Guardado are probably all being discussed even moreso now than before.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they looked into Reyes, Chacon, and of course the Electrician as well.
Don't you ever damn call here again
by SaltyDawg on Jan 28, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i bet cruz ends up in pinstripes
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 28, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I’d love to have him on the team, especially if he would sign a Jeremy Affeldt type contract, but that draft pick compensation is killer.
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 28, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we sign sheets first
how much would one of the type A relievers cost us..
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 28, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well there's only one, and he'd cost us a 3rd.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 28, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where theres two on the list
Though I know the A’s are supposed to be getting springer.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 28, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Springer wasn't offered arbitration
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 28, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign The Canadian...
Eh?
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Quoi?
The Quebecois?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 28, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gagne
does mean to win…doesn’t it?
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 28, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Past Participle
Gagner is the infinitive for “to win”. Gagné is the past participle.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 28, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Spanish
it’s ganar
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 28, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gagne: won | avoire gagne: to have won
Eric a gagne.
“Eric won.”
If high school French serves…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 28, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
“Avoir” does not have an “e” at the end. To say “have won”, you would use the imparfait of avoir – il avait gagné.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 28, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Boston they say
Eric Gagged.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 28, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perdu
A former colleague (from grad school in French) referred to him as Perdu – the past participle of “to lose”.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 28, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gagme
Scott Feldman for 2009 AL Cy Young
Scott Feldman for 2010 AL Scott Feldman
by Maximilian on Jan 28, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So how would you say, Brian Sabean won the Liriano trade?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 29, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you guys think.....
This makes the Rangers more likely to be on board with a Bowden + Bard deal than holding out for Buccholtz? Is Bard totally ready to pitch in the majors? I personally would rather go Buccholtz or bust, but there’s a reason I’m not the GM of a baseball team.
by CS3 on Jan 28, 2009 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i dont think the rangers were counting on benoit enough for it to have a real significant impact on such a significant move
But it obviously wouldn’t make it less appealing.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 28, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would this make them do it?
Benoit was going to be a free agent after this year so its not like we need a long term answer in the pen right now. Not saying i wouldn’t do the deal i would have to look at it closer but an injury to Joaquin benoit shouldn’t make us run out and make a hasty deal just to get a reliever.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 28, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say run out and make a hasty deal
I just wondered if they might be more open to considering such a deal. Even though he was going to be a free agent, it’s not like we have tons of pitchers beating down our door to come here, so there was probably a reasonable chance that they would have been interested in re-signing him if he pitched like ’07.
by CS3 on Jan 28, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
But what if you are holding out for one package (say Buchholz) would you all of a sudden accept less of a deal just to satisfy a need? Thats what I don’t want them to do.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 28, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I said the same thing
I prefer Buchholz or bust as well. I am just wondering if more of our pitchers going down with not alot of pitchers that we feel are ready to pitch in the majors if anyone thinks JD might consider a package with more pitchers with less of an upside.
by CS3 on Jan 29, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Jesus Hates Me
…but on the bright side Cahill just struck again to go up 1-0 over Arsenal at Goodison.
Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
by TheJeezus on Jan 28, 2009 3:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not that one point gets the job done today
but at least RVP had an amazing strike to level it.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 28, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Should've been saved
Between this and Stevie Me’s goal, Howard hasn’t been doing too well lately.
Great day though with Liverpool giving it away again.
by LiamP on Jan 28, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so
but it was still an awesome one touch strike.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 28, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it was
I’m actually happy to see him healthy and playing like the top 10 forward he can be. Now if they had just sold Adebayor and used the 30m to buy a decent strike partner…
by LiamP on Jan 28, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you have sold Adebayor...
…coming off the season he had last year ?
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 28, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For 27-30m? I don't remember what Milan offered exactly
Hell yes I would’ve. That’s a fantastic price for a striker with a poor first touch who’s hardly clinical in front of goal.
by LiamP on Jan 28, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you English?
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Jan 28, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, I heard you on the podcast
Didn’t sound English. Did you play soccer growing up?
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Jan 28, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
that line makes me think of It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 28, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm coming to get you, Mama!
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
by shroomer on Jan 28, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what got me
on Old Fashioneds, great drink.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 28, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
don’t even get me started on that one……to freakin Wigan? I think Hicks ruins everything he touches..
-Feldman '12
by Martijn1309 on Jan 28, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wigan @ the JJB is no joke...
…although they were without Valencia and Palacios (obviously).
by LiamP on Jan 28, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, it's not like you were winning prems before Hicks got there.
by LiamP on Jan 28, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Winning
UCL’s though…and I just feel better somehow blaming it on him..haha, I still have issues with Rafa though, there’s too much potential on that team to have consecutive falters like this..
-Feldman '12
by Martijn1309 on Jan 28, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it weird to think...
…that they have an Egyptian striker duo now ?
This seems strange to me, but considering how the Egyptian national team has done recently, I guess I shouldn’t be.
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 28, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they
can finally qualify for the World Cup. Probably not…
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 28, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Footy Talk?
not started by me?
holy shit yall, im impressed.
BTW: FCD just started practice this week (their version of pitchers and catchers reporting) so thats fun. the schedule came out today and there isnt a ton of mid day summer games, so they ’re learning. DVB came in last week and solves the left wing problem. kinda exciting. we should be better, if we sign the #10 they are talking about we have a shot to win it all. MLS is friggin crazy.
PS: Notice how im avoiding the LFC discussion? heh. Rafa needs to start El Nino if he wants to keep his damn job, and maybe act like winning league games matters. If Buck just mysteriously didnt start Arod and pulled FOTF in the 7th inning, we’d cut his nuts off. thats 3 games in a row that are ties. makes me wanna puke. YNWA! heh.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 28, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Torres started.
He was subbed off for…Babel I think, I don’t remember; I don’t blame Rafa for that sub though. He was trying to preserve the 1-0 and Torres’ hamstring was sore (supposedly). His bonehead move today was subbing Gerrard off for Keane after Wigan scored.
by LiamP on Jan 28, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And so it begins again
Eric Gagne, wanna come here on a one-year deal?
Eric Gagne in Texas: 33.3 IP, 209 ERA+
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 28, 2009 3:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can we?
Trade him at the break again?
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not for much
But why don’t we just compete this year and win the West!
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 28, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At the rate we're going...
We’re gonna have to let Hamilton pitch come May.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 28, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd probably...
Make a good late inning lefty specialist, which is just sick.
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No argument from this corner.
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 28, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm does this ring any bells?
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 28, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just hit with a massive wave...
of explosive diarrhea
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Scap Load ...
That could cause an injury.
Check the stats, absolutely, but look at the face.
-Bruce Jenkins
by BHill on Jan 28, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one can hope
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 28, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All your dreams came true ...
Three days later, Canseco asked his manager, Kevin Kennedy, to let him pitch the eighth inning of a runaway loss to the Boston Red Sox; he injured his arm, underwent Tommy John surgery, and was lost for the remainder of the season.
Check the stats, absolutely, but look at the face.
-Bruce Jenkins
by BHill on Jan 28, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fail...
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Check the stats, absolutely, but look at the face.
-Bruce Jenkins
by BHill on Jan 28, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Canseco < (x infinity) Hamilton
"Either we need to re-calibrate our rectangle, or Alfonzo Marquez is not having a good night." - Josh Lewin
by utlonghorn24 on Jan 28, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO!
He’ll just tear a rotator cuff or have tendonitis or something…
-Feldman '12
by Martijn1309 on Jan 28, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Section 339
Too bad ‘roids didn’t give Canseco a blistering fastball. This team would have been a real contender. You know this photo makes me wonder how I’ve been a fan of this team for so…so very long. I forget, how did something that silly happen? I think I drank if from my memory. Like the whale I lost my virginity to. Was that rude? Do you think she reads this blog? Who knows I guess. I’m sorry Amanda, where ever you are. (Probably in line at Golden Corral) Amanda can you pitch?
"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"-Tom Smykowski Office Space.
by Section 339 on Jan 28, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he say he had a badass knuckleball?
JEFF TEAGUE TIME.
by jonthefon on Jan 28, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Ya know, looking closer at that picture, that appears to be a knuckleball grip! All this reminds me of that commercial with the shrinking balls. And the other commercial for the back acne soap. Is that weird? Testes, testes, 1, 2, 3?
"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"-Tom Smykowski Office Space.
by Section 339 on Jan 28, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell from looking at the picture
of Conseco that he had not been doing enough roids. That is
definitely the reason he hurt his arm.
"Evolution happened, now get over it." Michael Shermer
by rodcarew on Jan 28, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Davis, even.
Position switch?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 28, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was his JC's closer
and evidently was lights out from the ppl i know who saw him
anyone from east texas? got a good story about chris davis when they were playing in the conf. tourny at NTCC
hit a ball that CLEARED the big lightpoles in RF – a BOMB
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 28, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOO
We got rid of him just in time.
Eric Gagne in Boston, 2007: 18.7 IP, 70 ERA+
Eric Gagne in Milwuakee, 2008: 46.3 IP, 79 ERA+
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 28, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was hurt
he had a great april and a really good second half in a more flexible (read non-closer) role. Thats what we would need him for – 7th /8th and an extra inning save…sign him.
by Goyogringo on Jan 28, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that makes last year's struggles make a little more sense.
Seemed like he really turned a corner in ’07, so it was sad to see him backslide like a thirsty Spaniard last year.
Poor guy.
Hope he makes it back, and here’s hoping we sign him to a nice cheap make-good deal for ’10.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 28, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I've always had a strange
fascination with him. Don’t know why.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's cause he's been a Ranger for, like, ever.
He’s by far our longest tenured broseph, right?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 28, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
I like the guy too, but now it seems like he may have thrown his last pitch as a Ranger.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jan 28, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And, he always had
that bitchin’ fastball.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What was bitchin' about it?
That it a) wasn’t very fast or b) wasn’t very accurate? Benoit sucks.
by FuturePants on Jan 28, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit.
FBv 92.6 in 07, 92.8 in 06. In the top ~20 both years.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For a guy who is supposed to be a setup man, that is terrible, especially since all his other pitches are pretty bad. He can’t dominate with the fastball, can’t compensate using a good arsenal. Benoit is terrible.
by FuturePants on Jan 28, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Benoit's slider and change up.
Are (were?) both above average pitches.
by NoNameOnCard on Jan 28, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
top 20 is terrible?
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 28, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For a setup man who has to rely on a fastball, I'd say troubling....
…to only be throwing 92 MPH. Maybe “terrible” was a little harsh. I can’t say I’m not blinded by pure hatred for Benoit, though.
by FuturePants on Jan 28, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those are average FB readings
It doesn’t mean that he hasn’t been able to throw harder than that ever.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 28, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Average FB Velocity.
And top 20 of all relievers in the AL=Good.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't "rely" on his fastball
His changeup was a really good pitch
by Telegraph on Jan 28, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Changeup
Changeup sort of relies upon the fastball as those two pitches depend on the speed of each, specifically the difference in speed between the two. And he had good movement on his slider, but couldn’t throw it for strikes.
by FuturePants on Jan 28, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He gets 17% swinging strikes on that changeup
That’s pretty damn good to me and major league hitters
by Telegraph on Jan 28, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then, excepting 2007, why did he suck so badly?
by FuturePants on Jan 28, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't sucked that bad as a reliever except for last year
He was bad as a starter but in relief hes been pretty good throughout his career.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 28, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
The only time he could ever be replied upon was in 2007. Ron handled Benoit very nicely that year, and I think people seem to forget that, early in the reason, Ron, not the pitching coach, made the trips out to the mound to talk to Benny which really seemed to give him the confidence and belief in his stuff that he always lacked.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 28, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Career numbers
As a starter: 275 IP/ 6.06 ERA/ 7.63 Kp9/ 4.48 BBp9
As a reliever: 317 IP/ 3.69 ERA/ 8.66 Kp9/ 4.12 BBp9
It wasn’t just 2007 when he was good. Hes been good as a reliever his career. As a starter is when he has sucked.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 28, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
06 and 07
as a reliever, had an ERA in the 4’s, was good, but you didn’t trust him in a close game late.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 28, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are wrong
ERAs as a reliever by year
2004: 3.90
2005: 1.30
2006: 4.86
2007: 2.85
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 28, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
I didn’t mean to say 07’, I know he was good in 07’.. But you trusted him late in the game with the lead before 07’? Truthfully?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 28, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
But that was more because he had been so erratic as a starter I still remembered that instead of realizing he was really good as a reliever. In 04 and 05 he went back and forth between starting and relieving. He sucked as a starter so that marred his whole perception. I didn’t trust him late in games more because of what he did as a starter rather than his ability to get guys out.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 29, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After tasting a little success in
The Show as a long/middle reliever and getting some confidence, I wonder if the Rangers would have been better off trying him as a starter?
He always seemed like he was better when he didn’t know he was coming into a game so it may not have worked.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 29, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Benoit?
No the guy has shown he is best suited for the bullpen.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 29, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They never really gave
him a chance to start after he tasted success.
Given how shitty our starters have been and how expensive free agents are, it might have been worth a try.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 29, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you wanted him
to start in 08?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 29, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I would have given him a shot in 2006.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 29, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're definition of tasting a little success
is 12 bullpen outing in September? Because from the end of July to August, he was starting and looked terrible with the exception of a start against Seattle.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 29, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Benoit had a good year in 2005
and I would have at least considered trying him as a starter once again going into 2006.
As it was, the Rangers gave 51 starts to Koronka, Loe and Rheinecker that year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 29, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go look at his game logs
He started out 2005 as a reliever. He had an ERA under 1 through 26 innings in the middle of July. They decided he should try starting. His very first start he gave up 6 runs in 5 innings. They let him start for about 6 weeks and he had an ERA during that span of 5.96. Then he went back to relieving in September and posted a 2.30 ERA during that month. hes a reliever. he has failed as a starter and thrived as a reliever. there is no need to let him start anymore.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 29, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
You said they should try him in the rotation after tasting a bit of big league success. Do you think 15 innings in September (which you’ve said in the past isn’t near as tough as earlier in the season) is significant? Because before then, he wasn’t having any success unless you count his relief outings earlier in the season.
Oh wait, they were trying him as a starter after that early bit of success and he bombed.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 29, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you woulda shot him in 06?
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 29, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kam Loe?
Can we get him back or is he too busy doing Karaoke, eating sushi and getting happy endings? Actually, for his sake, just stay there, Kam. The snake pit misses you.
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Somebody must really hate the Dallas sports teams right now. I know he might not be all that hard to replace but I always liked the nickname of Jack Benny
by BEW on Jan 28, 2009 3:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
First it was
Thoracic Outlet Syndrome now it is rotator cuffs. The Rangers need to switch to bottled water.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 28, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
So his rotator cuff is why he wasn't good in 2008
He was good in 2007… what explains 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002… etc.
by Inkara1 on Jan 28, 2009 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ron Washington instilled confidence in him in 2007.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 28, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Being a starter.
2004: 3.90 era in 27 innings as a reliever
2005: 1.3 era in 42 nnings as a reliever
2006: Ok, 4.86 as a reliever, but with a heavy 80 inning work load thats not all that disastrous.
2007: The really good year
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 28, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do I sign up?
FOR MANLY LOVE BE HERE MARCH 25TH AT 2:15 AM SHARP
by Agreen07 on Jan 28, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh my god that's the sexiest most loadedest scap I've ever seen.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
I hate Michael Young.
"There are no weak opinions with the dirkatron, it’s all scream-across-the-parking-lot echelon." -hightowersmith
by thedirkatron on Jan 28, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uniform?
Is his in a civil war union suit? Or is that just poor resolution? Either way, he’s a man, he’s 40.
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade
the dirkatron to LL for a chance to see Nolan pitch this season in a game.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 28, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU WOULD GIVE UP SIX YEARS OF DIRKATRON FOR ONE GAME OF NOLAN?!
ARE YOU INSANE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
NO WAY YOU DO THAT UNLESS NOLAN SIGNS AN EXTENSION. NO FUCKING WAY!!!!
TRADE THE FUCKING FARM WHY DON’T YOU!
>:(
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 28, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dirkie
is not a rookie, and his ceiling is much lower unless you’re talking about hyperbole.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 28, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler would be a favorable comp.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 28, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler???
He’d be lucky for an Eckstein comp
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 29, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read a story a couple of years ago
Where Nolan was in Japan promoting his beef and Bobby Valentine invited him to a game and he threw out the ceremonial first pitch. Valentine says he climbed to the top of the mound in his loafers and dress slacks (obviously with no warming up) and delivered a high eighties fastball right down the middle. At sixty-something years old.
There’s probably a link out there somewhere, but I don’t feel like searching, you’ll just have to believe that I’m telling the truth.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Jan 28, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does this...
affect us signing Sheets? You know Hicks is gonna be pissed about 6 mil down the drain!
"Who died and made you King?"
by randyd on Jan 28, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No...
That money was earmarked regardless, just sucks.
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Sheets + Juan Cruz
We’d lose a second rounder for Sheets and a third rounder for Juan Cruz (right?).. sounds good to me.
by mattrpav on Jan 28, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
feliz
people have talked about him being used in a bullpen role to break into the majors. Does Benoit going down make the Rangers take a serious look at Feliz coming up as soon as June?
With this revelation who is now more likely to reach the majors first? Holland or Feliz?
by jrams33 on Jan 28, 2009 3:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful...
They’ve been patient up to this point, unless they are out of it in June don’t expect the young guys to arrive. Holland still gets up first.
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the rangers care that much about replacing benoit
There are ways to do it in the pre-season.
I don’t think it impacts feliz/holland. Maybe if somehow/someway the rangers are competing in june/july and really think feliz is their best option.. but I doubt it.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 28, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its interesting
one of the reasons mentioned for bringing Andrus up this soon is the FO message that the future is bright, help is on the way, yada yada. With space opening up in the bullpen, will that factor in a decision to feature a young guy halfway through the season (esp. if 2009 goes poorly?) All this in the name of “challenging him”
I know this is in response to the comment below but how much does Feliz have to improve the secondary stuff to function in the bullpen? Also, maybe a stint up in the majors might impress upon him the reality that those secondary pitches need to be more than nominal offerings if he is going to get where he wants to go
by jrams33 on Jan 28, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point
God, I sure hope we don’t turn Feliz into Joba by bringing him up too soon and sticking him in the bullpen. Unless his secondary pitches show they’re are ready to be tested in the majors, I’m for leaving Feliz in AA/AAA all year (at least until September).
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 28, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't want a guy like Joba?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 28, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what he's saying
who wouldn’t want Joba’s talent, but I don’t want the Rangers putting Feliz in different roles now and then. Leave him as a starter until and unless he proves he’s not one.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 28, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yalp.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
by lonestarJon on Jan 29, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK I agree with that
His first sentance just didn’t read very well. Saying “I sure hope we don’t turn Feliz into Joba by bringing him up too soon and sticking him in the bullpen” when joba has turned into a nice starter anyways isn’t that bad. I don’t want them switching him around either but if we did and he turned out like Joba I wouldn’t be upset.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 29, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
On the radio they called this a scope, not a big cut job, and like shroom told us with Hurley, they felt good about the looks of things, relatively speaking.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 28, 2009 4:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's why they're saying it should only be a half-season.
That said, there’s still a hole in the bullpen.
by NoNameOnCard on Jan 28, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
the report that is linked says that it’s probably unlikely that he’d even be back that soon. If they were able to repair it laparoscopically and saw good things when they went in I think it’s very reasonable that he could pitch by then.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 28, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This one:
According to at least one local reporter, righthander Joaquin Benoit has had surgery for a rotator cuff tear and, at best, will return late in 2009. But even that’s probably a longshot.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 28, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Conjecture is fun.
Not all rotator cuff injuries and repairs are created equal. Typically you hear that rotator cuff rehab takes longer than Tommy John rehab. If the surgeon or the team thinks it’ll be about 6 months, I give them the benefit of the doubt.
by NoNameOnCard on Jan 28, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah ha, good news.
THX
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 28, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with Madrigal in that role?
I thought it was iffy if Mad Dog made the team out of ST. Thought he mostly looked pretty good last year.
"Never go with a hippie to a second location."
by jcAustin on Jan 28, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Think on the bright side
extra spot on the 40!
by Telegraph on Jan 28, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was...
Just talking to Mike Hodson about that. We are at 37 right now. Vizquel gets a spot, hopefully Sheets gets one, then whichever free agent reliever they bring in (if they do). If not it will be interesting to see how that 40th spot shakes out.
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is interesting
Maybe the 40 dilemma will make the team reluctant to move quickly with Feliz.
For a september callup does he or Holland have to be on the 40 man?
by jrams33 on Jan 28, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus?
Did you include him in the current 37?
by jthig32 on Jan 28, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did not...
Thought about that after posting. This could get interesting.
"They say brevity is the key to wit, so shut the f*ck up." Dad
by RangerFloppy on Jan 28, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is still dead weight
on there.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 28, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
plenty of dead weight currently on the 40
plenty.
"drawing walks is an overrated trait in my eyes."
"i do believe we could have 4 30 start pitchers in the rotation."
-- both these genius remarks brought to you by our resident guru, bigsteve
by tricer on Jan 28, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YESSSSSSS
sorry he his hurt but HE COST US SO MANY GAMES LAST YEAR. but this is not a good sign since last year we had tons of injuries and now we already have 2 pitchers out.
by Stevoo on Jan 28, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Benoit.
The epitome of Ranger pitching prospects. Oh well, Madrigal will do just fine.
"Come on man you have to admit the average guy in a baseball clubhouse...... is relatively a douchebag." BGL.
by sprite on Jan 28, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Diamond on the starting pitching staff
i like it.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
by Longhorn on Jan 28, 2009 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Josh Hamilton
He can still chunk it 90+
You know he would dominate.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jan 28, 2009 4:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would much rather
have someone with his swing at the plate than on the mound.
by JBP on Jan 28, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow this is so sad.
I can’t believe this, how horrible….wait what? It’s just Benoit? Oh alright never mind. I’m good.
You dick that was uncalled for - male cheerleader
by iorange555 on Jan 28, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I
can remember a time , years ago reading Newberg Reports that Benoit was one of our best prospects. I hope the same fate doesnt befall Feliz or Holland
by icouldusesomebaseball on Jan 28, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 28, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are aware that
at least in terms of quality of prospect there is no comparison between those two and Benoit, right? Benoit never made a top 100 list, while Feliz will be around #10 in BA’s this spring. Someone like Hurley or Harrison is a lot more comparable to him than those two, and even they have been more highly regarded throughout their minor league careers than Benoit was.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 28, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
miserable.
I was counting on pretty big comeback years for Benny and CJ.
Looks like Frankie, CJ, Rupe, Nippert, Madrigal, another lefty (free agency? Gabbard? AJ Murray?) and Turnbow with Mendoza looking on…
I’d personally like to see Mr. Tom Diamond make this team as a bullpen arm; but then again, it’d be nice to see him blossom as a starter.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 28, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I ask because I don't know
Does rehabbing ones rotator cuff EVER work out in the long term? Do folks choose this route simply bc an actual surgery to repair the cuff is a kiss of death for pitchers?
It just seems like the rehab route never works out, atleast from I can remember.
Anyone got any factoids on rehabbing vs. surge?
Also, is it Conner or Connor?
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
by Ryin A on Jan 28, 2009 7:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Intersting..
e nasty rotator cuff surgery has become the norm for the Rangers the last week. Eric Hurley had the surgery (and work on a frayed labrum) last Wednesday and yesterday Joaquin Benoit was the latest to go through the operation.
It’s natural to wonder why two pitchers are having this surgery just before spring training, isn’t it? Both could miss all of 2009 (Hurley will, Benoit might). I asked GM Jon Daniels about that via email. Here’s his response:
“In both cases, multiple doctors recommended rehab over surgery late last season,” Daniels said. “Unfortunately, they didn’t respond to the rehab programs as we’d hoped. That’s a risk anytime you rehab a shoulder. With Eric in particular, you don’t want to operate on a 23 year old if you can avoid it, and he agreed with that course of action at the time.”
The truth is, both guys were seen by several doctors. They got second opinions from doctors that are not with the club. The normal course of action is to do everything you can to avoid surgery. Surgery is risky and you never know what the outcome is once the pitchers attempt to return. So both guys attempted full rehabs and when that didn’t work, opted for surgery. The down side is if the rehab doesn’t work, it essentially costs you the next season. That’s what’s happened to Benoit and Hurley. The Rangers better hope that’s the end of the injury problems for this season (don’t bet on that one).
by laxtonto on Jan 28, 2009 7:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Eggs
Think back, long ago, back to a time when Benoit was a starter. Can you remember that? I try not to.
"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"-Tom Smykowski Office Space.
by Section 339 on Jan 28, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why not make a play for Joe Beimel?
This bully is starting to get that ripe, workout gear forgotten about for two months in a gym bag scent.
I know this organization likes to point to it’s future (after all BP & BA named us number 1 – YAY !!!!!!) as being quite rosey but it still loves to get bed with players & pitchers who provide one year quick fixes.
Beimel is the type of pitcher who actually might still be effective and useful in 2011.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 29, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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