Sigh
In an article analyzing where Manny Ramirez might end up:
• Texas Rangers: Owner Tom Hicks has demonstrated a willingness to spend money on Boras clients before (see Rodriguez, Alex), and Ramirez would look good in the Texas outfield. Everyone knows that the Rangers primary need is pitching, and they would probably be better off dealing for an ace or signing someone like Ben Sheets. However, if the Rangers front office decides to put all their chips on offense, Ramirez could wind up in Texas.
Sigh.
First, the ARod signing was 8 years ago. Yes, 8 years ago. Johnny Oates was still the Rangers manager, and the Ranger rotation included Rick Helling, Doug Davis, and Darren Oliver.
Troy Aikman was still a Dallas Cowboy. Gary Trent, Vernon Maxwell, and Howard Eisley were members of the Mavericks (and remember the controversy about whether Eisley should start over Steve Nash?). Bill Clinton was president (for a few more weeks, anyway). I was in my 2nd year in law school.
That was ages ago. Invoking ARod as evidence that Tom Hicks will spend money on Boras clients is like invoking the Monroe Doctrine as evidence that the U.S. wants hegemony over the Americas.
Second, he wouldn't look good in the Ranger outfield. He'd look terrible out there. He's an awful defensive outfielder, and the Rangers need outfielders that can cover ground, given the expanse of space out there that needs to be covered and the pitch-to-contact philosophy of the major league pitching staff.
Third, the author seems to assume that the Rangers could go out and trade for an ace, but just haven't seemed inclined to do so. The only ace out there on the market is Jake Peavy, whom the Rangers would love to get (I suspect, anyway), but who has said he won't waive his no-trade clause to come to Texas.
And fourth...Manny wants $20+ million per year for multiple years. The Rangers are a team in cost-cutting mode, as the organization and T.R. Sullivan keep going to great lengths to inform us.
But because Hicks signed ARod almost a decade ago, we might end up with Manny?
Give me a freaking break.
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To some people, the ARod signing (and possibly trade) is the last notable thing the Texas Rangers have done. Looks like this guy is one of those people.
He does have a linkback here on his sidebar though.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
What makes you think
that the JD and co. would go out of their spending budget on the FA market, especially on an aging Manny? JD has all of the same information, if not more available to us, so wouldn’t he know the same risks that were involved in signing him? I feel like I’ve got a lot for faith in JD than most people now. Is Manny coming to Texas? Only on a discount. Why would Manny come here on a discount? Not going to happen.
baseBALLIN!
haha i didn't direct that at you adam
I was saying that with regards to Alex Brown, the author.
baseBALLIN!
Come on
This is written by “A 2006 graduate of James Madison University”. The dude is 25? This guy has no sources and no idea what he’s talking about…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Heh
Guess not every young writer can be as charismatic and informative as BBTiA’s Joey Matschulat…
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by LSJ on Jan 3, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Nice Guns btw
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
I turn 22 in three weeks
It’s all downhill from here.
by Joey Matschulat on Jan 4, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions
Nah
It’s all uphill until at least 50, at which time you can actually benefit from figuring out what you should have done, but didn’t. Perk up !! LOL ………..
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 4, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
My initial thought...
he wanted to make sure everyone knew that he was old enough to actually remember the ARod signing by Texas.
Luckily our young posters don’t pull these antics. Not that I’ve really noticed anyhow.
I hate lazy authors
Where could Manny end up? I know, the Rangers like offense and they signed that big Boras client a while ago. Yeah, that sound’s like a great fit. Screw you Alex Brown.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Manny will go
To whomever wants to give him the most zeros and years on his contract.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by LSJ on Jan 3, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Jones' Contract
I heard that Andruw Jones reworked his contract so that he will be paid the remainder of his salary over the next six or so years at 0% interest. It is looking like the Dodgers will release him, and put the extra money towards a more aggressive offer for Manny.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 3, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt
you never know it could happen.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 3, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Manny
He might look horrible in the Rangers outfield, but he would look great as our DH.
That guy is an amazing hitter.
Gary freakin' Trent
I thought he was going to be something after he had that 16/8 season during the strike season.
You must be quite the optimist.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Remember
we didn’t look in good shape after that season. Nash and Nowitzki had hardly done much and the Shawn Bradley deal was looking terrible. Trent and Fin were possibly the best players on that team at that point.
In a theoretical world where you could sign manny for 2 years, have him DH and still sign ben sheets
… sign me up!
the preceding post was a great success.
Oh and completely random
I happened to look at Cruz’s stats yesterday and noticed his AAA + mlb + DWL time added up to 162 games.
.342/.425/.670 (1.095 ops) with 52 homeruns, 156 rbi and 32 stolen bases.
the preceding post was a great success.
nice but...
thats a whole lot different than 162mlb games.
i’m really hoping this is the year cruz pulls it all together at the major league level
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
well, of course
although Id be quite interested to know how many players have put up that kind of season in the minors at any age.
the preceding post was a great success.
MLB Network
has Cameron Maybin on right now. He looks like he has put on a good 10-15 lbs. Definitely looks more muscular. Seems a bit forgotten.
yeah, saw that
if marlins really want a catcher that bad, choose one of the 3…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Yeah
i love teagarden but id have to probably let him go for Maybin. Itll never happen of course though.
F'n Dish Network...
Screw you Dish.
Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.
And screw you,
free cable…sigh…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Only way Manny come here
If he’s willing to DH the whole time (which is highly unlikely) or Hicks feels that he would bring in lots of fans to games to see Manny being Manny. No way he fits in here
And the funny thing about the Arod contact is, that, after 8 years, we’re still suffering from it (hey wait, thats not funny…)
In Smoak We Trust
how stupid is this article?
What a sad off-season this has become when this is news.
If the front office signs Sheets, I may finally have some confidence in them.
Although, I was thinking earlier today that the Mariners had King Felix and Bedard to start last year, and where did they finish. I know they didn’t have the Rangers’ offense, but you can see how sometimes an often injured pitcher doesn’t help.
Wait 'til the year after next
would you have felt different if in the parenthesis, the names Julio Borbon and Chris Davis showed up instead of Arod’s?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Gerald Laird?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
I'm not sure what Borbon or Davis...
…would have to do with spending big bucks on Manny.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
author said
‘willingness to spend money on boras clients’
they are boras clients, just like millwood and gagne are. if those names where suggested in those parenthesis instead of arod, would you have been as upset?
And, i don’t think he ever said that signing arod 8 years ago directly means we may sign manny this year..
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
None of those guys you list...
…were really paid big bucks. Millwood, maybe, but even then, the contract was pretty much market value, and not seen as a huge paradigm-busting payday, like Boras is apparently looking for for Manny (and which he got for Teixeira this year and ARod 8 years ago).
That would be more relevant, though, than referencing ARod from 8 years ago.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Greetings
Hey there Rangers fans – first off, I must say that I enjoy this blog. I include it on my page because I think it provides excellent insight into the Texas Rangers from people who really know the team well.
Now, if I may defend myself. My post was meant to entertain teams that I thougt were possible destinations for Ramirez – not necessarily who I thought WOULD sign him, or who is the best fit. As far as the Rangers go, I see them as a possible late entry, should Ramirez’s price fall.
Mentioning the A-Rod deal was simply to establish some history, no matter how loose it may have been.
by AlexBrown on Jan 3, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
don't worry dude
I knew your point and where you were coming from. You have just as much righgt to write and speculate as we do. Some people are just mad because they don’t have their own website that people read.
by meatbonelefty on Jan 3, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Now I feel bad for bagging on you.
I see the chances of the Rangers getting in on him as being minimal. They’d only consider him as a DH, and only on a one year deal, and I suspect he’d get a better one year offer elsewhere. And really, I’m not even sure they’d want him here that badly, given the circus that surrounds him. They brought Bradley in last year, but Ron Washington had a history with him and vouched for him being a good guy who had a bad rap. I think, with the young players in place and what the team is trying to do, they’d be loathe to introduce that element into the clubhouse.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, he's got stones, for sure.
Not reacting, and calmly stating his reasoning. I can admire that.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
I agree
Hey his ultimate conclusion of the dodgers may end up being right.
appreciate the honesty and facing the music
but what you did was still lazy or at the very least, you were straining.
no matter how you describe it, your rangers paragraph is bad. you don’t conclude that the rangers would be an unlikely destination (like you did with the Angels paragraph) and your ultimate conclusion:
However, if the Rangers front office decides to put all their chips on offense, Ramirez could wind up in Texas.
is just wrong.
And, again, Arod doesn’t prove anything, except that Hicks has met Boras before. However, I’m not sure how much that means since every other team in the league has probably met Boras before.
I’m sorry, I’d be a bit less harsh if I saw any sort of retraction on your part but all I saw was you still thinking that you’re right – which you aren’t at all. Your interpretation of the situation is wrong and only a few more details of the Rangers situation would have alerted you to that.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
Appreciate the attempt to defend yourself
but it doesn’t make your point any better. Manny still wouldn’t be signed here to play the OF and the A-Rod signing years ago has no relevance to today,
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Fair enough
Granted, I don’t follow the Rangers as closely as you folks do, but here’s what I see. I see a team who has made attempts to bring in pitchers with established (though limited) records of success, such as Kevin Millwood and Vincente Padilla, Adam Eaton, Chan Ho Park, etc…) and having it blow up in their face.
Now, my theory was that perhaps Texas could try to add to a good offense, and just try to play that brand of baseball – if so, signing Manny Ramirez for a reduced value (i.e. once all the major suitors drop out) would make sense – again, if that was the direction they were going to go. I don’t think they will, nor do I advocate that type of philosophy.
Lazy? Well, I certainly wouldn’t say I am, but I can’t disagree if that’s your belief. Perhaps it’s worth mentioning that this isn’t my full time job (but that’s probably obvious). So I’ll just close by saying that I love baseball, and am glad for the opportunity to write and debate topics with knowledgeable fans such as yourselves.
I think adding a bat is a possibility
As I mention in a post earlier this afternoon, Pat Burrell on a one year deal would be an option.
I don’t think there’s any chance that Manny’s suitors drop out to the point he’d take a 1 year deal for $8-9 million, which is the most I could see Texas offering him.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
If I've understood you correctly, then, Alex,
what you think about Ramirez and the Rangers can be boiled down to this?
“Over the last decade, Rangers teams have featured powerful offensive lineups and free-agent pitchers. More often than not, that hasn’t worked out well for them. So I don’t think they’ll sign Manny Ramirez unless no one else wants him, and even then I don’t think they’ll sign him. But if they decide to sign him, then they might sign him.”
Sounds about right
Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
You'd be surprised how much more mature that retort is compared with some others here.
Welcome to the blog. Post more often.
by oc on Jan 3, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
2nd that
though I’d say the writers that come here to discuss comments on their work are usually pretty polite since it’s in their best interests to be nice to potential readers. Still, the level of discourse is welcome.
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Alex, what you need to realize
is that the chances of Manny Ramirez signing with the Rangers are equal to him signing with the Pittsburgh Pirates.
We’re in the number 5 media market yet this owner has this team on a payroll equal to the KC Royals. Manny is going to cost $ 20-25 million per and that’s just not going to happen with this owner.
Don’t let the blowhards around here get you down…keep swinging for the fences.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Wait a second
We’re blowhards for saying that Manny isn’t going to be a Ranger next year, right? But then you just said that Manny isn’t going to be a Ranger next year. So then you think of yourself as a blowhard???
This almost makes as much sense as when you said that its too early to predict division standings and records but went on to predict 3 of the 4 AL West teams records.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
I was asked directly how many games I saw the teams
in question winning next year.
It’s way too early to realistically forecast what teams are going to do next year until their rosters are set.
Last year’s Ranger team won 79 games and the only things they have done is lose GLaird and Milton Bradley so I say, currently constructed, this team shouldn’t be expected to win much more than 72 games.
When you finish a season 20-29 with a lot of mediocre vets and then bring back the same stupid, incompetent but very affordable manager and make no additions to the roster…. to believe that this team could suddenly get it together and finish above .500 is an incredibly naive and uninformed take.
The prediction of not winning more than 72 games is a fluid statement because additions/subtractions may happen between now and Opening Day not only with Texas but their division bunk mates as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
Laird
Will someone please tell Cowlishaw that Gerald Laird is no longer with the team? Embarrassing.
The Tom Hicks Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
i think if anything
the a-rod deal makes us less likely to have future dealings with big-money boras clients. that, along with the fact that the rangers are in serious cost-cutting mode with only the slimmest chance that we increase payroll substantially if sheets is an option, are the biggest lapses in reasoning in the article. but it’s not a huge deal, this was not exactly the new york times. the ‘where will X free agent sign’ article with a list of potential suitors and the pros and cons comes up year after year and usually you see a few longshots thrown in just for whims. i think if there is a failing here, its the author’s negligence in adding a final concluding statement like “The Rangers would be a huge longshot to land Ramirez” or “But with their seeming reluctance to add payroll, Ramirez will likely land elsewhere” etc.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 4, 2009 12:32 AM CST reply actions
anyone like cliff floyd
as a potential part-time RH bat?

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