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In an article analyzing where Manny Ramirez might end up:

• Texas Rangers: Owner Tom Hicks has demonstrated a willingness to spend money on Boras clients before (see Rodriguez, Alex), and Ramirez would look good in the Texas outfield.  Everyone knows that the Rangers primary need is pitching, and they would probably be better off dealing for an ace or signing someone like Ben Sheets.  However, if the Rangers front office decides to put all their chips on offense, Ramirez could wind up in Texas.

Sigh.

First, the ARod signing was 8 years ago.  Yes, 8 years ago.  Johnny Oates was still the Rangers manager, and the Ranger rotation included Rick Helling, Doug Davis, and Darren Oliver. 

Troy Aikman was still a Dallas Cowboy.  Gary Trent, Vernon Maxwell, and Howard Eisley were members of the Mavericks (and remember the controversy about whether Eisley should start over Steve Nash?).  Bill Clinton was president (for a few more weeks, anyway).  I was in my 2nd year in law school.  

That was ages ago.  Invoking ARod as evidence that Tom Hicks will spend money on Boras clients is like invoking the Monroe Doctrine as evidence that the U.S. wants hegemony over the Americas.

Second, he wouldn't look good in the Ranger outfield.  He'd look terrible out there.  He's an awful defensive outfielder, and the Rangers need outfielders that can cover ground, given the expanse of space out there that needs to be covered and the pitch-to-contact philosophy of the major league pitching staff.

Third, the author seems to assume that the Rangers could go out and trade for an ace, but just haven't seemed inclined to do so.  The only ace out there on the market is Jake Peavy, whom the Rangers would love to get (I suspect, anyway), but who has said he won't waive his no-trade clause to come to Texas.

And fourth...Manny wants $20+ million per year for multiple years.  The Rangers are a team in cost-cutting mode, as the organization and T.R. Sullivan keep going to great lengths to inform us. 

But because Hicks signed ARod almost a decade ago, we might end up with Manny?

Give me a freaking break.

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To some people, the ARod signing (and possibly trade) is the last notable thing the Texas Rangers have done. Looks like this guy is one of those people.

He does have a linkback here on his sidebar though.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by LSJ on Jan 3, 2009 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

What makes you think

that the JD and co. would go out of their spending budget on the FA market, especially on an aging Manny? JD has all of the same information, if not more available to us, so wouldn’t he know the same risks that were involved in signing him? I feel like I’ve got a lot for faith in JD than most people now. Is Manny coming to Texas? Only on a discount. Why would Manny come here on a discount? Not going to happen.

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Jan 3, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Come on

This is written by “A 2006 graduate of James Madison University”. The dude is 25? This guy has no sources and no idea what he’s talking about…

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 3, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

Heh

Guess not every young writer can be as charismatic and informative as BBTiA’s Joey Matschulat…

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by LSJ on Jan 3, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Or me...

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 3, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

+ 1

"You are a rude thoughtless little pig"

Alec Baldwin

by BigGuns on Jan 3, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice Guns btw

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 3, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

thank you!

"You are a rude thoughtless little pig"

Alec Baldwin

by BigGuns on Jan 3, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah

It’s all uphill until at least 50, at which time you can actually benefit from figuring out what you should have done, but didn’t. Perk up !! LOL ………..

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jan 4, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh

You know, I’m 19 in about 3 weeks myself – our B-days must be pretty close. An early happy b-day, Joey.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by LSJ on Jan 4, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

My initial thought...

he wanted to make sure everyone knew that he was old enough to actually remember the ARod signing by Texas.

Luckily our young posters don’t pull these antics. Not that I’ve really noticed anyhow.

by Chris Hanes on Jan 3, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate lazy authors

Where could Manny end up? I know, the Rangers like offense and they signed that big Boras client a while ago. Yeah, that sound’s like a great fit. Screw you Alex Brown.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 3, 2009 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

where...

where will manny end up?

isn’t it about time to be deciding the fate of the #2 or #3 FA?

by sam in so cal on Jan 3, 2009 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

Manny will go

To whomever wants to give him the most zeros and years on his contract.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by LSJ on Jan 3, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Jones' Contract

I heard that Andruw Jones reworked his contract so that he will be paid the remainder of his salary over the next six or so years at 0% interest. It is looking like the Dodgers will release him, and put the extra money towards a more aggressive offer for Manny.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 3, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

manny!!!!!

maybe if we bring in manny and sheets peavy will change his mind? thoughts?

by awall22 on Jan 3, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt

you never know it could happen.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jan 3, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

ROFL

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by LSJ on Jan 3, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry

i hope your butt gets sore real soon

by awall22 on Jan 3, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Manny

He might look horrible in the Rangers outfield, but he would look great as our DH.

That guy is an amazing hitter.

by Darrell McKown on Jan 3, 2009 3:29 PM CST reply actions  

Great work

Gary Trent was a nice touch.

We don’t need no stinkin’ Manny.

by 3Bagger on Jan 3, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

Gary freakin' Trent

I thought he was going to be something after he had that 16/8 season during the strike season.

by jonthefon on Jan 3, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

You must be quite the optimist.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 3, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember

we didn’t look in good shape after that season. Nash and Nowitzki had hardly done much and the Shawn Bradley deal was looking terrible. Trent and Fin were possibly the best players on that team at that point.

by jonthefon on Jan 3, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Gary Trent

Yes! Trent provided as much hope as anyone that year. Those were low-low Mav days.

by 3Bagger on Jan 3, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

hegemony

good word!

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Jan 3, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

Oh and completely random

I happened to look at Cruz’s stats yesterday and noticed his AAA + mlb + DWL time added up to 162 games.

.342/.425/.670 (1.095 ops) with 52 homeruns, 156 rbi and 32 stolen bases.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 3, 2009 5:05 PM CST reply actions  

nice but...

thats a whole lot different than 162mlb games.

i’m really hoping this is the year cruz pulls it all together at the major league level

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jan 3, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

well, of course

although Id be quite interested to know how many players have put up that kind of season in the minors at any age.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DShep on Jan 3, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds Like

This article sounds like a PR driven Boras effort to raise the ante.

by SanDiegoKev on Jan 3, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

Ugh

that’s enough to make me pine for newspaper writers.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 3, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions  

MLB Network

has Cameron Maybin on right now. He looks like he has put on a good 10-15 lbs. Definitely looks more muscular. Seems a bit forgotten.

by Michael Cave on Jan 3, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions  

yeah, saw that

if marlins really want a catcher that bad, choose one of the 3…

by Longhorn on Jan 3, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

i love teagarden but id have to probably let him go for Maybin. Itll never happen of course though.

by Michael Cave on Jan 3, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

F'n Dish Network...

Screw you Dish.

Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.

by rangers85 on Jan 3, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

+1MM

Your 2010 Texas Rangers starting shortstop....(see pic)

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 3, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

And screw you,

free cable…sigh…

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 3, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Only way Manny come here

If he’s willing to DH the whole time (which is highly unlikely) or Hicks feels that he would bring in lots of fans to games to see Manny being Manny. No way he fits in here

And the funny thing about the Arod contact is, that, after 8 years, we’re still suffering from it (hey wait, thats not funny…)

In Smoak We Trust

by SCDP on Jan 3, 2009 6:42 PM CST reply actions  

how stupid is this article?

What a sad off-season this has become when this is news.

If the front office signs Sheets, I may finally have some confidence in them.

Although, I was thinking earlier today that the Mariners had King Felix and Bedard to start last year, and where did they finish. I know they didn’t have the Rangers’ offense, but you can see how sometimes an often injured pitcher doesn’t help.

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 3, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

would you have felt different if in the parenthesis, the names Julio Borbon and Chris Davis showed up instead of Arod’s?

by Longhorn on Jan 3, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions  

Gerald Laird?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by octoberty on Jan 3, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what Borbon or Davis...

…would have to do with spending big bucks on Manny.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

author said

‘willingness to spend money on boras clients’

they are boras clients, just like millwood and gagne are. if those names where suggested in those parenthesis instead of arod, would you have been as upset?

And, i don’t think he ever said that signing arod 8 years ago directly means we may sign manny this year..

by Longhorn on Jan 3, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

None of those guys you list...

…were really paid big bucks. Millwood, maybe, but even then, the contract was pretty much market value, and not seen as a huge paradigm-busting payday, like Boras is apparently looking for for Manny (and which he got for Teixeira this year and ARod 8 years ago).

That would be more relevant, though, than referencing ARod from 8 years ago.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Greetings

Hey there Rangers fans – first off, I must say that I enjoy this blog. I include it on my page because I think it provides excellent insight into the Texas Rangers from people who really know the team well.

Now, if I may defend myself. My post was meant to entertain teams that I thougt were possible destinations for Ramirez – not necessarily who I thought WOULD sign him, or who is the best fit. As far as the Rangers go, I see them as a possible late entry, should Ramirez’s price fall.

Mentioning the A-Rod deal was simply to establish some history, no matter how loose it may have been.

by AlexBrown on Jan 3, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

don't worry dude

I knew your point and where you were coming from. You have just as much righgt to write and speculate as we do. Some people are just mad because they don’t have their own website that people read.

by meatbonelefty on Jan 3, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

?
Some people are just mad because they don’t have their own website that people read.

Shakes fist

YA HEAR THAT AJM?

by LiamP on Jan 3, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

Now I feel bad for bagging on you.

I see the chances of the Rangers getting in on him as being minimal. They’d only consider him as a DH, and only on a one year deal, and I suspect he’d get a better one year offer elsewhere. And really, I’m not even sure they’d want him here that badly, given the circus that surrounds him. They brought Bradley in last year, but Ron Washington had a history with him and vouched for him being a good guy who had a bad rap. I think, with the young players in place and what the team is trying to do, they’d be loathe to introduce that element into the clubhouse.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, he's got stones, for sure.

Not reacting, and calmly stating his reasoning. I can admire that.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 3, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Hey his ultimate conclusion of the dodgers may end up being right.

by Michael Cave on Jan 3, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

appreciate the honesty and facing the music

but what you did was still lazy or at the very least, you were straining.

no matter how you describe it, your rangers paragraph is bad. you don’t conclude that the rangers would be an unlikely destination (like you did with the Angels paragraph) and your ultimate conclusion:

However, if the Rangers front office decides to put all their chips on offense, Ramirez could wind up in Texas.

is just wrong.

And, again, Arod doesn’t prove anything, except that Hicks has met Boras before. However, I’m not sure how much that means since every other team in the league has probably met Boras before.

I’m sorry, I’d be a bit less harsh if I saw any sort of retraction on your part but all I saw was you still thinking that you’re right – which you aren’t at all. Your interpretation of the situation is wrong and only a few more details of the Rangers situation would have alerted you to that.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Jan 3, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Appreciate the attempt to defend yourself

but it doesn’t make your point any better. Manny still wouldn’t be signed here to play the OF and the A-Rod signing years ago has no relevance to today,

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 3, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Granted, I don’t follow the Rangers as closely as you folks do, but here’s what I see. I see a team who has made attempts to bring in pitchers with established (though limited) records of success, such as Kevin Millwood and Vincente Padilla, Adam Eaton, Chan Ho Park, etc…) and having it blow up in their face.

Now, my theory was that perhaps Texas could try to add to a good offense, and just try to play that brand of baseball – if so, signing Manny Ramirez for a reduced value (i.e. once all the major suitors drop out) would make sense – again, if that was the direction they were going to go. I don’t think they will, nor do I advocate that type of philosophy.

Lazy? Well, I certainly wouldn’t say I am, but I can’t disagree if that’s your belief. Perhaps it’s worth mentioning that this isn’t my full time job (but that’s probably obvious). So I’ll just close by saying that I love baseball, and am glad for the opportunity to write and debate topics with knowledgeable fans such as yourselves.

by AlexBrown on Jan 3, 2009 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

I think adding a bat is a possibility

As I mention in a post earlier this afternoon, Pat Burrell on a one year deal would be an option.

I don’t think there’s any chance that Manny’s suitors drop out to the point he’d take a 1 year deal for $8-9 million, which is the most I could see Texas offering him.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

If I've understood you correctly, then, Alex,

what you think about Ramirez and the Rangers can be boiled down to this?

“Over the last decade, Rangers teams have featured powerful offensive lineups and free-agent pitchers. More often than not, that hasn’t worked out well for them. So I don’t think they’ll sign Manny Ramirez unless no one else wants him, and even then I don’t think they’ll sign him. But if they decide to sign him, then they might sign him.”

by Snark on Jan 3, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds about right

Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?

by jasonhh on Jan 4, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

2nd that

though I’d say the writers that come here to discuss comments on their work are usually pretty polite since it’s in their best interests to be nice to potential readers. Still, the level of discourse is welcome.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 4, 2009 5:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Alex, what you need to realize

is that the chances of Manny Ramirez signing with the Rangers are equal to him signing with the Pittsburgh Pirates.

We’re in the number 5 media market yet this owner has this team on a payroll equal to the KC Royals. Manny is going to cost $ 20-25 million per and that’s just not going to happen with this owner.

Don’t let the blowhards around here get you down…keep swinging for the fences.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 4, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait a second

We’re blowhards for saying that Manny isn’t going to be a Ranger next year, right? But then you just said that Manny isn’t going to be a Ranger next year. So then you think of yourself as a blowhard???

This almost makes as much sense as when you said that its too early to predict division standings and records but went on to predict 3 of the 4 AL West teams records.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 4, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I was asked directly how many games I saw the teams

in question winning next year.

It’s way too early to realistically forecast what teams are going to do next year until their rosters are set.

Last year’s Ranger team won 79 games and the only things they have done is lose GLaird and Milton Bradley so I say, currently constructed, this team shouldn’t be expected to win much more than 72 games.

When you finish a season 20-29 with a lot of mediocre vets and then bring back the same stupid, incompetent but very affordable manager and make no additions to the roster…. to believe that this team could suddenly get it together and finish above .500 is an incredibly naive and uninformed take.

The prediction of not winning more than 72 games is a fluid statement because additions/subtractions may happen between now and Opening Day not only with Texas but their division bunk mates as well.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Laird

Will someone please tell Cowlishaw that Gerald Laird is no longer with the team? Embarrassing.

by tubbsmoya on Jan 3, 2009 9:18 PM CST reply actions  

The Tom Hicks Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Jan 3, 2009 9:40 PM CST reply actions  

i think if anything

the a-rod deal makes us less likely to have future dealings with big-money boras clients. that, along with the fact that the rangers are in serious cost-cutting mode with only the slimmest chance that we increase payroll substantially if sheets is an option, are the biggest lapses in reasoning in the article. but it’s not a huge deal, this was not exactly the new york times. the ‘where will X free agent sign’ article with a list of potential suitors and the pros and cons comes up year after year and usually you see a few longshots thrown in just for whims. i think if there is a failing here, its the author’s negligence in adding a final concluding statement like “The Rangers would be a huge longshot to land Ramirez” or “But with their seeming reluctance to add payroll, Ramirez will likely land elsewhere” etc.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 4, 2009 12:32 AM CST reply actions  

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