Jones Considering Shanahan For '10?
Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones hasn't changed his mind about firing coach Wade Phillips, but Mike Shanahan would be the leading candidate if he ever does make a move, according to team sources.
and . . .
If Garrett should land one of the head coaching jobs available now, it could influence Jones to reconsider his plans and approach Shanahan about joining the Cowboys for the 2009 season because of the offensive void left by Garrett's departure, a source said.
Under the "you learn something new everyday" category (regarding fired coaches taking a season or two off) -
However, as profootballtalk.com also reported Saturday, most standard NFL head coaching contracts contain a clause that the coach must "use his very best effort to seek other employment."
I never knew that.
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"Seek other employment"
Yeah that’s pretty common because the team’s only have to continue paying their severance until they find new work typically. This is why Dennis Franchione hasn’t gotten a new job yet since being fired at Texas A&M, but has put his name in the hat and gone on quite a few interviews both offseasons. A&M still paid him since his firing and will continue paying him through 2009 unless he found new employment. That’s why you saw him interview at San Diego St, New Mexico and I’m sure others so that he could continue drawing a paycheck without coaching.
Next offseason you’ll likely see Coach Fran hired somewhere once his A&M paychecks stop.
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hmmm interesting
can you think of any examples in which a school has attempted to void a coach’s contract for not using his best effort to seek other employment? What was the outcome in the courts?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 3, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
That's also why...
…Donald Sterling has ended up in litigation with almost every head coach he’s ever had. He’ll invoke that clause and quit paying.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
And what I heard on NBC today,
was that Wade would be asked to accept a demotion to D-Coor…pshaw, like that’ll ever happen.
I’m so sick of rehashing/hearing about this mess of a team.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
that doesn't make sense
if we’re looking to make him our HC in 2010 he should be our HC in 2009…
but, it does look like outside of winning the SB next year, Shannahan will be the Cowboys next HC…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
fwiw
Given what Shanahan went thru with Al Davis when he coached the Raiders, I’d be surprised if he came to Dallas.
Maybe
But I think Dallas is the most appealing place, from a “closest to the SB” perspective.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
I don't know about that
Depends on what else is out there. Depends on what Shanahan wants in terms of control.
I could be wrong, but again, given his experience in Oakland, I have a hard time seeing him being Jerry’s latest stooge in Dallas.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Parcells is the one legitimate head coach...
…the Cowboys have had since Jimmy was fired.
And even he couldn’t put up with Jerry’s crap for that long.
Jerry Jones is a cancer in the Cowboys organization. He needs to go do missionary work or something, and let Stephen run the team.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
huh?
you do know he quit coaching to go into a GM roll, right?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Pipedream...
Jones isn’t leaving until he dies. So just close your eyes and hope for the best.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
You really think Stephen's that much better?
By the looks of it on Hard Knocks, hes just like his dad…
In Smoak We Trust
One enormous difference
there is no indication that he has the same ego that leads him to think that he is a GM. His role is and has always been the financial side, which would fit very well as team president, with a football oriented GM below him. In other words, more of a normal, healthy operation.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
probably
I think pressure is mounting on Jerry to hold someone accountable for the disaster that this season became and to create some enthusiasm to sell out the new stadium (I think seats remain unsold). I would imagine Shanahan woud, at minimum, insist on veto power over personnel desicions. As crazy as Jerry is, it seems so obvious that Wade is “damaged goods” and he or his son would recognize this. I thought Phillips humiliated himself with his “I’m going to change and become tougher” newsconference this week.
This video from Keith Davis’ birthday bash on Monday is comical on a few levels, but at about 2 minutes in, Deon Anderson basically laughs off the idea that Wade is going to get tough on this team.
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/cowboys_gen/index.html?nvid=317370
by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder how much pressure Jerry actually feels
He got the funding that he needed to build his stadium, and the difference between now and 2002 is that he was lost in how to build a talent base back then. Now, he’s got one, so he feels like he can handle the rest.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry
it probably is wise not to underestimate his ability to put his head in the sand
by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
X
The key to any good team is chemistry. Look at all the teams in the playoffs and you can see that they play as a team. To Jerry, chemistry comes from winning ballgames. That’s why he continues to bring in these highly paid players who have questionable behavior. He thinks that if he brings in the talent (or in other terms, turn his team into a fantasy team) they’ll go out there and win ballgames based on their talent. By winning, they will be happy and there’s your chemistry. But Jones doesn’t understand if you’re losing, players will get unhappy or question their playing time. That kills teams, and that’s what killed the Cowboys this year
In Smoak We Trust
What I think you may find
is a bit different opinion on chemistry on a baseball team versus a football team. There are obviously some guys who don’t believe in it at all – or are at least unwilling to recognize obvious causes for poor chemistry – on a football team.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Meant to add
…but it’s hard for anyone but the most clueless to deny that it is a big issue in positional, completely team oriented sports like football, soccer and hockey.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Its different in football than baseball
I’ve played football all my life and plan to coach in it later, and chemistry is huge in that sport. What if there’s no chemistry between QB and WRs? They might quit on routes or give up on their QBs. What about QB and OLs? OL might let a defensemen go free one play and get a licking on the QB. Defense is the same.
Its really important in football, as you saw with the whole Romo/TO/Witten thing. That really seemed to destroy this team
In Smoak We Trust
speaking of Al Davis . . .
this part of the Simmons mailbag you linked yesterday made me laugh:
Q: When I found out Al Davis’ mother lived until she was 103, I thought about impaling myself with a dull garden tool about 103 times. I’ll be 67 by the time the Raiders are respectable again. Can you please offer me some hope?
— Scott, Holiday, Fla.
SG: (Shaking my head sadly.)
by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Hah
Something about Jerry that I think is interesting is that he gets/requires almost no sleep. I don’t know anything factual on it, any specific scientific studies, but I’ve always heard that people like that tend burn faster and die younger. Don’t know if that’s actually true or what his family history is in either regard.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
I heard Mortensen say on the radio
that in his opinion it (a Shanahan hire) would be a near slam dunk if Garrett gets a HC job. I think what everyone has to remember to make sense of this stuff is how little respect Jerry Jones has for the team manager/“CEO” aspect of the head coach position. He seems to think a little like Sharky, that it’s all about having good coordinators, since as the King of the organization he can handle the really high level stuff that a HC typically would. He just needs someone to take care of the legwork tasks and then to develop gameplans, etc. The only way I can possibly reconcile how he could be happy with Phillips as HC is that he’s happy with the combination of Phillips and Garrett as his coordinators, that he thinks they can make the two units go, and he’d like to let that play out. It’s ridiculous, but it’s really the only thing that I can even imagine. If Garrett leaves, his combination is disturbed anyway, so he might be more willing to consider finding a new DC.
And that's precisely why
Shanahan would tell Jerrah to shove his offer up his ass.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Good stability is great. Bad stability is the Lions of the last decade.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, just like the Cowboys for the last decade, they periodically changed coaches but kept the same guy running the organization, despite the fact that the real problem with the organization was that guy (or in Detroit’s case both Millen and the owner).
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
yep
just like the Cowboys for the last decade, they periodically changed coaches
not a good idea.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Yeah
the big problem with Detroit is that they haven’t kept the same coach for the last decade. Same with Dallas.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
So your desire to be contrary is so great
that you’re coming to the conclusion that things are going well for the Cowboys? I didn’t think it went that far.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
huh, contrary?
i’ve always wanted stability. I’m a pretty big fan of wade. Why is being a fan of wade and wanting stability means that i am being ‘contrary’?
I think injuries and some bad offensive game plans had a lot to do with what happened last year… Wade did a pretty good job. But, if you want to keep firing HCs like the Lions did, have fun with that idea…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Well
We don’t have a good head coach, but that’s not the biggest problem.
The biggest problem is Jerry. That doesn’t help your “stability” argument.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
what's wrong with jerry
what has he done bad since firing Campo?
Well, other than your theories that you can’t prove, sticking with facts, what issues have you had with Jerry since…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Also
Off the top of my head…
Hiring Wade.
Signing Vanderjagt.
Trading for Pacman.
Trading for Roy Williams.
Not cutting bait with the bad Roy Williams.
Getting Terrell Owens.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
which of those moves
do you think were good?
by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
it was an absolute disaster short term, but I’m willing to be open-minded enough to give him another year before evaluating it. Although, I wouldn’t call it “good”.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Well
It was a good acquisition of talent, but the fact that it tanked in the regular season makes giving those picks a very bad thing.
He’s a guy we need here, but perhaps the move wasn’t good, if that makes sense.
Do you think Jerry is a good g.m.?
Do you think that, if (as a thought experiment) he gave the team to Stephen and left the Cowboys organization, some other team would rush out to hire him to be their football personnel guy?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
i like jerry, although
i think he messed up with Jimmy and then Switzer, and i think he definitely messed up by letting Aikman get in his head thus leading to Jerry firing Gailey prematurely. And, of course he’s effed up some drafts…no question about that.
But, after firing Campo, and listening to him talk about how things were going to change, and going ahead and hiring Parcells…ever since then, he’s been a very good GM, he’s helped put together one of the more talented teams in the NFL through excellent drafts and being smart in free agency. I don’t see why he’d go backwards. Of course GMs will always make personnel decisions that won’t work out, but like i said, since the Campo firing, he’s done A LOT of good things for this team…a lot more good than bad, that’s for sure.
On the 2nd part of what you said, well, that’s the big difference of how the Cowboys are built and how other teams do things. He’s the GM, yeah, but he leans heavily on his personnel people…He’s put a lot of good football people around himl; I don’ think that will regress…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Jerry really doesn't do drafting anymore
After the diasterous early 2000 drafts that Jerry ran (remember Quincy? He was suppose to be a 2nd day pick, but got picked in the 2nd round!) he gave up his draft rights. Then Larry Lacewell, Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and their new guy (his name is escaping me for some reason). Jerry might be the figure in the room, but his scouts mainly do the drafting for him.
The one credit I do give Jerry is his draft day trading. He’s pretty good right there….
In Smoak We Trust
well, if he's not drafting
he’s putting someone there to do it and they’re doing a good job…i’d say that’s a good quality of a good GM…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
True
I’ll give him credit there as well, but I would have done the same when I saw my draft picks turn in consecutive 5-11 seasons…
In Smoak We Trust
Somewhere
Deep in the bowels of ESPN, Doug Flutie still gives a little fist-pump whenever something bad happens to Wade.
Phillips will always be the goofus that had a large hand in the Music City Miracle.
Because it was the right call, and Johnson did play well and had the lead with a few seconds left…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
It wasn't the right call.
It was bullshit. Flutie played practically the whole season and led them to the playoffs. It was a chickenshit move.
That they had the lead means nothing to me other than they could have had a larger one had Phillips not disrupted the offense.
you're right
still, i don’t see how it’s Wade’s fault that the last play wasn’t called a forward pass rather than a lateral on the field.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
heh.
i probably thought that was a pretty crappy call at that time as well..
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Phillips
I don’t think you’re being very objective, and I’ll admit that I’m not the most objective person when it comes to Jones and Phillips. Of course, 13-3 isn’t bad, but the team limped into the playoffs and it wasn’t too surprising that they were knocked out in the first round.
This year (9-7) was horrible by any measure. So, his regular season record with the Cowboys is 22-10, but that doesn’t make him a good head coach. I think the overwhelming majority of people feel that he is a failed head coach (I have no link for that). If he were fired tomorrow, I don’t think one team woiuld want to interview him for their opening. I could be wrong but I don’t think he has been asked to interview for any HC job (other than the Cowboys) since he didn’t get the Falcons job.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
i think i'm being subjective
we went 13-3 last year and lost to the SB champs. We went’ 9-7 this year with a crap load of injuries and switching DCor play-calling midway …
Stay the course, keep building, see what happens. If we lay an egg next year, then, well, you gave your coach the 3 years, a chance, and if he loses, move on…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
another guy's thoughts:
So, now you combine a team of characters – many who have already been promised their money – with a coaching staff that seems to command almost no respect from those that would undermine them, and you have what you have right now…a pile of rubble.
What do you do with this underachieving crew that seemed to shrink to the occasion for the better part of the entire year? Jerry Jones has already said he plans to do nothing to his head coach, Wade Phillips. What folly that seems. The statistic Fox offered yesterday says plenty about this entire crew: The Wade Phillips Cowboys started 12-1, since then, they are 10-10. For anyone who thinks that Bill Parcells had this team set up to dominate, and then Wade and Jerry have allowed this thing to erode back into a mess, that statistic will make your case pretty well.
I think a new coach is very necessary. I also think that Jason Garrett is not who I would hire. I might entertain the idea of Garrett staying at coordinator, but I would surely not promote him after this mess. I think the days of not considering elements of team building when assembling a roster needs to stop. From now on, if they are a head ache, they don’t play here. If they require special rules, they don’t play here. If I have to hire a special security detail to babysit them, they don’t play here. If Ed Werder makes a full time living reporting on what my diva WR says everyday, then my WR doesn’t play here.
But, I know that expecting Jerry Jones to stop being Jerry Jones is an exercise of complete stupidity. So, with a new stadium ready to open, we can only hope that the man has learned a lesson. Fat chance.
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by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
http://sturminator.blogspot.com/search/label/Cowboys%202008
by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
Shanahan would be a horrible fit here
First off, they ran a zone-run blocking scheme in Denver, which use smaller linemen who were fast and could pull for zone blocking. Here in Dallas, all our linemen weight over 300 pounds and are pretty much slow for Shanahan’s scheme, which is why Holland got cut there and signed with us. I really don’t think Shanahan wants to come here with that line or come here and try to rebuild.
Besides, other than the late ’90s, has Shanahan done anything worthwild? His teams have underachieved since then and he had trouble trying to replace Elway. I know he would have Romo here, but does he really want to get into that situation.
In my opinion, I think Shanahan would be prefect for the San Diego job, if Turner ever got fired there.
In Smoak We Trust
Agree this club is not built for shanahan
The line is signed for a few years and they are to big for Shanahan’s style. Also never knew Adam had such hatred for Jerry. Kind of takes your opinions down a noch for me. I still think he is one of the best gm’s in football and best owner by far. Wish you would stick to bashing Hicks and leave Jerry alone. I can get that kind of opinion from, dmn, galloway, floyd engel, the ticket…
x
I still think he is one of the best gm’s in football and best owner by far.
You must be kidding.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
when the seaon started...
All the so called experts said this team should win the super bowl with the talent that Jerry had assembled. It did not work out, but the gm’s job is to put the best team in place. he could not rely on Romo missing three games and never , in my opinion being 100% healthy after his injury, missing Felix, and having Barber not healthy. It is funny that Jerry gets no respect because. Why? He was a billionaire before he was a gm? He has 20 years of experiance in the NFL , were the other Gm’s born to be gm’s? His team under achieved, true, but so did 5 of the other 6 teams in the nfc playoffs last year. Does this mean their gm’s suck and the head coach should be fired?
If you put together a talented team...
…but the team doesn’t mesh well, doesn’t play together well, has guys who are unhappy with the roles, makes stupid mistakes, and generally underachieves, the g.m. has to take some blame for that.
And if the offensive coordinator sucks (as so many seem to believe) and the head coach can’t control the team, that also goes on the g.m.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
True to all..
But I doubt this makes him the biggest problem. He does make mistakes, but I hate it when he gets NO credit. I can’t stand the Galloways and the Dale Hansons of the media that make their careers on bashing Jerry and saying he is the problem. Sure there was problems, but Jerry has more passion about winning and not just the bottom dollar. He tryed to put the best possible team on the field to win and it did not work, but the roster will turnover by7 40% and he will try again. Unlike Hicks who will say we cannot get any better unless we trade a 6 million dollar man.( Blalock) The people that want Jerry to step down should just find another team, this will not happen.
If he had that much passion about winning...
…he’d hire a personnel guy to handle the personnel issues and focus on being the owner, rather than the g.m.
His ego is greater than his passion for winning.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
He knows he can do it..
Why would he hire someone that does not know as much as him. How do you become a GM? What do you need to know? The league , the salary cap. So should all the other NFC gm’s that were in the playoffs last year be fired? They had playoff teams and under achieved this year. Only the Giants returned.
Why does he KNOW he can do it?
Why does he KNOW he’s as good a g.m., or better, than everyone else out there? What makes him a great talent evaluator? What makes him the best at understanding how to build a team, what sort of player is going to fit best in the Cowboys’ scheme, what coaches the Cowboys need?
Because he’s been an owner since 1989 and saw Jimmy Johnson build a great team?
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry's ego
His Ego made him fire Tex and Landry, since this was His team now
His ego got Jimmy fired
His ego is what brought Switzer in (since he always declared that Switzer could run Jimmy’s team and still win a Super Bowl)
His ego (and wallet) brought us into salary cap hell in the late ‘90s
His ego ran a draft room that landed us with horrible players that led us to 5-11 seasons
His ego won’t let himself fire Wade, since then he would show that he did, in fact, make a mistake
His ego won’t let him get rid of Pacman, even with all the mistake, since then it would be a Jerry Mistake
His ego is what’s bring this team down. He has to get all the credit, which is why he fired Jimmy, since Jimmy got the majority of the credit with those Super Bowls. He even said that it took him years after buying the team to finally understand the front office part of football, which is a mistake which killed us.
Jerry’s a cancer. He needs to go or sell the team
In Smoak We Trust
Well, they just got rid of Millen
And got some good talent on that team. Also, with them, they just went 0-16 this season, and yet, there was no complaining by any players or players coming on the news dis-satisfied by their role. They played as a team and tried to win. Hell, some of them were happy Roy left cause some whispered that he wasn’t a good teammate and had to be babied around the whole time to make him happy. That’s a huge improvement from a team that went 9-6 and bitched all this season about their roles.
In Smoak We Trust
They got some pretty good talent there
Johnson, Smith, Sims, and such. They got the first pick and Dallas’ first pick for the draft, and could get them a QB for the future (Stafford? Bradford?) with 1 and an OL with the second. Also, its rumored that they could be after Cassel this spring, which would be an upgrade, and he could start while the drafted QB waits. And they don’t have Millen to screw up things with that
‘Side, they play in the NFC North, which isn’t as strong as the East or the South. If they just keep building, they could sneak into the playoffs soon
In Smoak We Trust
Dude
You just named 3 guys. Those guys are very good. They don’t have much else. They’re a terrible, terrible team, and two first rounders isn’t enough to dig anybody out of a ditch.
Alright, i'll name more
Other than Johnson, Sims, and Smith, they got Redding, Dewayne White (who had a horrible year but can get better), Cliff Avril, Gosder Cherilus, Leigh Bodden, Jordon Dizon (who needs to get on the field), Hanson, and others. These names might not stand out, but they could be solid players. Yeah, they sucked this year, but they are trying to rid themselves of Millen players, and now are getting a new coach (they need to hire Josh McDaniels, he would be a good one).
If they went and got Cassels, draft a QB, draft some OL and DL, and get a 2nd WR for Johnson, they could be good. I’m not saying that they will be a playoff team next year, but they could be good here in the next couple of years if they don’t screw up.
But William Ford. Now That’s a horrible owner…
In Smoak We Trust
Most of those guys you listed
Are not good/very bad.
It’s fine to say that they can get significantly better if they play this draft right, but I think that means 4 or 5 wins, not 8 or 9.
by brettgardner on Jan 3, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
I understand
I’m just saying that these guys can improve. And they play in the NFC North, which isn’t as strong as the East or the South. 10 wins could get you the division any year in that division. They just got some long guys on their team that they can improve on and get better
In Smoak We Trust
Look at what the Falcons did this year.
In a pedistrian division as the NFL North, the Lions probably aren’t as far away as many claim they are.
They could be one good draft away. And they are set up for a pretty good draft.
by oc on Jan 4, 2009 3:15 AM CST up reply actions
A really good draft
Usually means that 3-4 players hit. Detroit aint 3 or 4 players away.
by brettgardner on Jan 4, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
who do you consider are good GMs?
Rich Tanenbaum?
Ted Thompson?
Mike Holmgren?
Who’s your top 5 or 10?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
He is playing fantasy football...
…and is something of a starhumper, going for the big name or the flashy guy regardless of if it is a good fit for the team. He isn’t much of a talent evaluator. He undermines the authority of the coaching staff, which results in a lack of respect for the coaching staff and an overall dysfunction in terms of the organizational structure, which (I tend to believe) leads to bad practice habits, sloppy play, mental mistakes, and increased penalties. He wants to be the football guy, but he also wants to be liked by the players and be their buddy, which isn’t helpful.
When Jimmy Johnson first got here, and did his famous “asthma field” stunt, it served notice from the outset that this was his team, and you were doing things his way or you were hitting the road. Same with when he released John Roper right before a playoff game for falling asleep in a meeting. The players didn’t jack with Jimmy. He had authority and respect, and kept things running tight.
Since Jimmy left, Jerry has (with the somewhat exception of the three years Parcells was here) made it clear that he was running things, no one else, and has not created any sort of fear of consequences for failing to work hard, practice hard, etc. That was one of the things that drove Troy Aikman crazy in his second half of his career, and is one of the things that some guys on the current team have complained about. With the Cowboys, all that matters is that Jerry likes you, and Jerry doesn’t demand accountability.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So you hate
the Hicks type owner and the Jones/Cuban type. What kind of owner would you want for your franchise? Zygi Wilf?
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
"Hicks type"
how would you define a “Hicks type” of owner? I suspect that you’re talking about someone who adheres to a normal organizational structure and has GMs who do the GM job. You are aware that that is not even a tiny part of the issue with him, right? It’s his individual tendencies and decisions that are the problem with Hicks, not the fact that he has GMs.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Well, AJM
in response to Ranger Capt saying that he thought Jerry was “one of the best gm’s in football and best owner by far.” responded, “You must be kidding.” So I took it to mean that he doesn’t think he’s a good owner either. While I think his Gm decisions are questionable, I think that he is still one of the best owners in the game. At least he tries his best to put what he thinks is a winner on the field, the same can not be said for Hicks.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
The problem with him as an owner...
…is that he won’t fire his crappy g.m.
You can’t separate one from the other.
That said, what would be my ideal type of owner? A John Henry. A Mike Ilitch. A Bob Kraft. A Jeff Luria. A guy who will write the checks, hire good people to run the team, and otherwise stay out of things.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Do you mean Jeff Loria?
The guy who refuses to write the checks for the Marlins.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Bob Kraft
Didn’t Parcells have problems with him thus leading to him quitting?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
x
You can make a team look good on paper (see the 2004 LA Lakers), but as of now, they are sitting at home right now watching the playoffs instead of playing
In Smoak We Trust
Your perception is that
he, not Parcells, did all of the decision making while this core was being built? Wow, I mean WOW. There are even first hand accounts from people like Brian Broadus that makes information on personnel decisions during those years readily available.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 3, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
i'm going to say
Ware was BP’s pick and Spears and Juilus Jones were Jones’..
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Actually
Parcells wanted Spear with the 11th pick, but Jeff Ireland told him that Ware would be chosen in the next two picks, and that Spears could have been had at the 20th pick, so they went Ware and got Spears with the 20th pick
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I've heard
All about that, but I have a really hard time believing Parcells would have taken Spears above Ware at crunchtime.
From what I understand...
…the draft has been less of Jerry for some time, whereas the pro personnel side of things has him much, much more involved.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 3, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh
Carpenter is only on this team cause his dad played for Parcells for the Giants in the ’90s. Horrible pick. Hes not a 3-4 type of linebacker, more of a 4-3 type
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He played as a 4-3 linebacker at Ohio State
And was pretty good. Here, with the 3-4 hes required to take on a blocker every now and then and get off of them to make a play, which isn’t his games. He’s better fit for a 4-3, were he won’t be occupied by a blocker and will be able to flow to the ball easier.
Either way, he’s not a good fit here
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I'm well aware
Of what makes a good 4-3 versus 3-4 and the differences between the two schemes.
He was a good player in college. That’s true. Just that now he joins about a million other guys who were good college players and horrible pros.
He’s, at best, a nice special teams player who occasionally subs in on a 4-3 team.
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Don’t worry, I know hes a bad linebackers. But all I’m trying to say is he would be better on another team that ran a 4-3, like you said at the end
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OT: Why am I a bad person?
Because I got a little chuckle out of this headline-
Cops: Dad Ordered to Pay Child Support Kills Son
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475629,00.html
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
i hope the Chargers win
they deserve this, and well, i’m a big fan of Norv…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Playoff wins
Norv 3. Wade 0.
Jerry has to be beside himself.
"Obama is a Christian - He's always been a Christian...But.........what if he is[a Muslim]? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no, that's not America." Colin Powell on Obama/Muslim assertions.
Jerry
had 13 pro bowlers last year.
His problem is not hiring a strong head coach who he would have to butt heads with. On paper, Dallas might be the most talented team in the NFL. It would be idiotic to call Jerry a bad GM. He has his strengths and weaknesses.
by kumizi on Jan 4, 2009 2:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
The pro bowl is a complete joke.
I don’t know why people continually point to the number of pro bowlers as evidence of anything. You may, and many do, think this is one of the most talented teams but do yourself a favor and stop using the pro bowl as evidence.
interesting
Jimmy quit, i guess i was too young to remember what all happened back then, but i was going with what people here kept saying that he was ‘fired’…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
no he didn't, he quit
because he got his feelings hurt…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Oh, come on
You say yourself you are too young to remember what happened, but you are now going to say he quit “because he got his feelings hurt”?
Are you going to start calling him “Quitter” to, just like you do Parcells?
If he quit, Jerry wouldn’t have had to have paid him, and Jimmy couldn’t have gone to coach another team until his 10 year deal with the Cowboys expired. Jerry fired him, paid him off, and they’ve maintained this public guise since then it was mutual.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 4, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
all i said was he didn't get fired
which was the case.
If Jimmy could have looked passed a drunk guy saying things (well, which actually went on to be true, a nobody did win a SB with that team) he would have stayed coach…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
Or you could view it as...
…Jerry got his feelings hurt and got into a snit over a perceived snub by Jimmy (who was dining with a couple of former Cowboys employees Jerry had fired), and could quit demanding to be recognized as a football man who built that Cowboy team.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 4, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
they got divorced and jerry got custody of the team
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