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Derek Lowe's salary demands

Derek Lowe wants 4 years at $16 million per year, per David Pinto.

Too much for too long, in my humble opinion...he'd be 39 when that deal expires. 

 

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Given the Rangers current situation (personnel, financial, budgetary, etc.), would you favor the Rangers giving Derek Lowe a 4 year deal at $16 million per year?
Yes
83 votes
No
599 votes

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I think Lowe would be a solid addition to the team, but I think the resources could be used in a better way. Say the Rangers have $16 million to spend, in this depressed market, I think they could do better than just signing Lowe.

by Randy Richardson on Jan 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

4 years 64 million? No way.

Your 2010 Texas Rangers starting shortstop....(see pic)

by Kinslerhomer on Jan 3, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I still wouldn't pay him 48M for 3 yrs

he’s not that good

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Jan 3, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, 2 years with an option would be great

maybe 3 at $12-15 per. 180 innings or so of a 4.50ish ERA would help a lot in Arlington. But I think he’s going to get a bit too much.

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by t ball on Jan 4, 2009 4:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this is exactly the contract I would offer...

t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"

by bspate on Jan 4, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 3, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So now it's...

4/64. I believe that is down from the 5/75 he was asking for a little while ago, right?

I bet he ends up signing for 4/50 with someone.

I’d still rather have Sheets over Lowe.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jan 3, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Innings eater and consistency

I would be agreeable to signing Lowe. I agree that the years would be too long, but he has been the model of consistency. He’s been at or above 200 innings for the last three years with an ERA under four, and a decent WHIP, and a great ground ball ratio. He’s never on the DL. I know he’s not flashy, and a little flaky, but how would those stats he has put up the last three years helped not only our bullpen, but the starting rotation as well. What would we think of Millwood if he would have put up those numbers the last three years?

Formerly known as OKRangerFan

by B_Black on Jan 3, 2009 9:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'd be willing to take him on for the 3/36 the Mets offered him

But 4/64 ain’t worth it.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 3, 2009 9:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No

Spend that money on Sheets, a younger option

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Jan 3, 2009 9:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sheets is a higher risk

But hes a top of the rotation starter when he’s healthy and on. Lowe is a middle of the rotation starter who is a lot older than Sheets. When Lowe turns 39, you think he’s going to continue to pitch like he has?

Both pitchers are a risk, but I rather have the younger one with top of the rotation potential

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Jan 3, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This pitching staff has already been to the infirmary and back.

Give me the guy who’s much more consistent and much more healthier.

by oc on Jan 3, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sheets...FWIW

I was watching MLB networks Hot Stove show, and Heyman still believes that the Rangers are the current frontrunners for Sheets (mostly due to an overall lack of interest). But interestingly, Victor seemed to think Sheets wouldn’t make sense for the Rangers mostly because of Holland/Feliz being on the doorstep, and guys like Millwood and Padilla already here.

Victor’s thoughts are in opposition to the way I think about the Sheets situation. With Padilla and Millwood in the last years of their contracts (assuming Millwood doesn’t vest), I would think the Rangers would want a guy like Sheets here for the next couple years to lead the Harrison/Hurley/Holland/Feliz of the world into ’10 and maybe ’11.

by Topgun22 on Jan 3, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Both!

3 years 45 million each, 4th year team options included.

Get rid of of padilla

Sheets
Lowe
Millwood
BMac
Harrison/hurley/etc

woo.

but uh.. yeah, anyway, I definitely prefer sheets and don’t think lowe would come here even if we did make the highest offer (unless it was by a lot of course).

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Jan 3, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

anyone watching the Colts game?

I think Peyton fumbled that ball…

That would suck if the Chargers get screwed on a call to end the year…

by Longhorn on Jan 3, 2009 10:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

def a fumble

not my money. pay the man. he’s not worth it until he wins 20…

by tubbsmoya on Jan 3, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody else

Always get that Michael Jackson bit from “Somebody’s Watching Me” stuck in their head because of those shitty Geico commercials?

by brettgardner on Jan 3, 2009 10:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

omg

just realized why i’ve been singing that damn song all day!!!

by tubbsmoya on Jan 3, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That song

isn’t by Jackson, can’t remember who, though.

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by t ball on Jan 4, 2009 5:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, got it

I just thought that was some Jackson imitation in the chorus.

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by t ball on Jan 4, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That video

had me freaked out for weeks. I mean I was young when it came out and some dude opening a fridge and a pig’s head is in there on a platter…and people standing at the windows…creepy, yo.

Rockwell was a nephew or something of the sort to MJ, that’s why he sang the chorus. Thank you to VH1’s Pop-Up video for that little nugget of useless info.

What's the rumpus?

by Hypo-Luxa on Jan 4, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

He’s Berry Gordy’s son. Since Gordy was like a second father to MJ, I’m sure the two of them grew up pretty close.

by brettgardner on Jan 4, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

I have got to stop reading too quickly. Once again I read the thing and thought “16 mil for 4 years”.

I’d probably take Lowe at the deal he got from the Mets, but that would be a limit.

by jonthefon on Jan 3, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Same

I did the same thing. I read it the same way and voted yes. Then I started reading comments and realized it was too late to change my vote.

by GregoryM on Jan 3, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i would rather not

he’s a solid pitcher but his success in 08 screams ‘contract year’. he’ll be good for the next 2-3 years but not that good and he’s getting old.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 4, 2009 12:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

timing

The time to sign Lowe was back in 2004 when he was a FA for the first time. Does anybody know why the Rangers didn’t pursue him?

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Jan 4, 2009 1:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers pursue every FA pitcher.....

but they don’t want to come here………….. and we always underbid.

t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"

by bspate on Jan 4, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No thanks

Sheets or bust for that money.

If he shaved off $2-3 mil. annually and only had 3 years, then I’d be on board, or at least willing to think it through.

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Jan 4, 2009 2:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Problem is

Texas would have to overbid a bit to get him. He wants to go to Boston or NY, and he’ll easily get 4 years and $60M from one of them. Obviously this year he’d have to pretty much fall into Daniels’ lap for him to come. Sheets seems more likely to be a leftover because of the risk factor.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 4, 2009 5:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No Boston

He apparently made an ass of himself. Partying too much and he brought his gf (versus wife) to a team function which pissed off John Henry. They didn’t want him around anymore.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Jan 4, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The question I always have is...

if a guy is so good that he needs that kind of money, why would a team that definitely has cash to spend, like the Dodgers, let him go? I wondered the same when the Red Sox let him walk some years ago.

by Redcaps on Jan 4, 2009 8:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers don't have cash to spend

They only did the Manny deal last year because Boston paid Manny’s salary, and they re-did Andruw Jones’ salary to defer some money to afford to make a run at Manny now.

The Dodgers aren’t a team with money to burn.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 4, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Met offer to Lowe is about right.

In the AL Lowe would be a couple ticks better than Millwood but would be able to take the hill 33 times and give you 210 IP’s (great value in that).

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 4, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Josey

You think Hicks is bad look at the Dodgers. Without knowing the details of Jones’ restructuring they only have 45 million committed to guys above arbitration level. I would guess their payroll even if they add Manny will be only around 80 million or so. Aren’t they in the #2 TV market? How could such a travesty happen? Shouldn’t they have a 150 million dollar payroll simply because they are in LA?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jan 4, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Steve,

I grew up in So Cal and the Dodgers are my second favortie team.

The Dodger payroll in 2008 was $ 118 million, in 2007 it was $ 108 million, in 2006 it was $ 99 million.

The Dodgers have been over .500 for 8 of the last 9 years. Attendance has grown by nearly 900,000 since 2000 (3.7 million attendance in 2008). In that time they’ve won a couple of division titles plus had another Wild Card appearance and they won a playoff series this past year. Wanna contrast that record with the fine work turned in by the Rangers since 2000?

The Dodgers seem like they always have one of the better minor league systems as well. Look at the roster – Loney, Kershaw, Billingsley, Kemp, Martin, Ethier (traded for) that are 26 or younger.

Yes, the franchise has not been the same since O’Malley sold the club, they’ve had some serious missteps and I’m not sure what the McCourt’s financial situation is this upcoming year but they are much better owners than Tom Hicks because they actually give a damn about their fans and winning.

One of the big reasons I kick the Rangers in the nuts so hard is because they are just about everything the Los Angeles Dodgers are not – a half ass organization that is rife with incompetence.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 4, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers

Even if they sign Manny, the ’09 payroll will be somewhere around $90 million.

by Randy Richardson on Jan 4, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

But that still doesn’t answer my question. Actually it kinda does but not really. Even if they resign Manny the Dodgers are only gonna have a payroll in the 80-90 million dollar range. Isn’t that really low for the 2nd largest media market in your mind? They have had a good farm syatem which has produced good young players which are cheaper than veterans which lowers payroll. Sound familiar? Its what we are doing right now. But apparantly if we do it we have a cheap ass owner. But if the Dodgers do it they are a model organization right?

The Rangers had payrolls of 105 and 103 million in 2002 and 2003. Right now its gonna be in the 75 million dollar range with a very young roster. Big payrolls don’t guarantee anything.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jan 4, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big Steve,

I don’t know what the Dodger payroll is going to be on Opening Day 2009. The payroll has never been a problem in the past and if they take a step back one year, I won’t necessarily have a problem with it as long as it’s not ongoing like it is with the Rangers.

Ranger Opening Day payroll in 2008 was $ 68 million (approximately same amount in both 2006 & 2007) and $ 55 million in 2004-2005. It’s a great short-term strategy for the owner to make some nice bank but he’s slowly but surely killing his team at the gate.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jan 4, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big payrolls don’t guarantee anything.

neither does a good farm system

by sam in so cal on Jan 6, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is that when the good farm system fails

you still have back-up plans internally and can easily take the failure of some prospects. When a big payroll fails, you are stuck to terrible contracts and shoot yourself in the foot for years to come.

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-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 6, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

i wonder what is more likely though – prospects that don’t pan out or marquee players that flop. both are fairly prevalent – prospects understandably so and big signings more surprisingly.

the yankees have failed miserably the last few years considering their $$$$ spent. similarly, i am sure that there are hundreds of youngsters that never did anything, too.

the rangers aren’t spending anything, so we will see how their prospects perform. i just know that it will be somewhere less than the optimists here predict. there will be some upside surprises, but a lot (50%???) of the guys that we are relying on in the much anticipated 2010 will never amount to anything (injuries, flame outs, failure to develop here, etc.).

by sam in so cal on Jan 6, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What is easier to take as a fan?

When your team signs a guy for so many millions of dollars you automatically set expectations. When that player flops and doesn’t perform not only has he missed expectations but he has also most likely cost your team in the long run because of his contract. What do you automatically do when guys have bad years? Start comparing contracts right? You look back and say “well instead of X million we spent on XXXXX we could have gotten YYYYYYY for X million and saved money”.

When prospects flop you don’t look at their salary because in the big picture it is a extremely small amount of money. Sure they had hype and expectations but those have to be taken with a grain of salt because of their age.

Which season was harder as a fan to take? 2002 when our payroll was 105 million and we finished with 72 wins or last season with a 68 million dollar payroll and we had 79 wins?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jan 6, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No way,

and it shouldn’t ever be brought up again.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Jan 4, 2009 11:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

what a waste of time...

why does everyone here spend so much speculating on pitchers the rangers SHOULD sign when NO pitchers want to be here?

it’s like me debating whether i would should have sex with megan fox or victoria silvstedt. tough choice, right?

the rangers tried to get lowe last time around – they thought they were a front runner. lowe had a zero interest in throwing bp for the rangers.

no one pitches for the rangers unless they have no better options. texas is good for building offers to places they really will go. that’s it.

threads debating on whether texas should offer $XXXM to pitcher ABC are pointless. “gee, i don’t know if the rangers should spend that much money.” meanwhile, pitcher is telling his agent (more likely that agent is telling pitcher), “any place but texas.”

by sam in so cal on Jan 4, 2009 3:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

does this apply to ben sheets?

even with all the connections?

lowe has too many high profile suitors to come to texas, but its not like the rangers have never been able to sign any starters whatsoever.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Jan 4, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

We did win the Kevin Millwood sweepstakes, and he was coming off his year as ERA-champ. Of course he’s had two pretty disappointing seasons the last two years, but that signing was a pretty big deal at the time, as I recall.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 4, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everything done here is a waste of time

it’s just a baseball blog.

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by t ball on Jan 4, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Time well wasted, though.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 4, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

go for Megan Fox

for sure.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Jan 5, 2009 7:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We should consider Lowe.

He has only been a starting pitcher for seven years, so its not like he is entering his 15th year as a starter or anything. It doesn’t appear his arm is about to fall off.

Obviously his numbers would go up a little here, but I am fine with him if he can keep it close or just up a little. His walks have trended down every year. His strikeouts have trended up every year. He will get you 180-200 innings and 14 wins a year and his earned runs allowed have trended down every year.

I would offer (and he would take) a 3 year, 42 million deal with a fourth year team option/buyout.
To help with team salary flexibility in future (and I would explain it this way to him), I would pay him 15mil in 2009, 14 in 2010 and 13 in 2011 with a 12mil option in 2012 or 3 mil buyout. To some, overpaying, but would not be a Silva overpay.

If he plays all four years it is a 4/54 mil deal (13.5 AAV) totally reasonable for a pitcher that obviously takes care of himself and has a reliable record of performance.

With a solid #1 pitcher in Lowe, and Millwood and Padilla pitching in contract years (where they have always performed their best), I feel that would be a great opportunity to come in and steal the 2009 AL West title.

The rotation to start the season would be: Lowe, Millwood, Padilla, Harrison and Feldman (a reward for his team first attitude in 2008). We will need Hurley, Hunter and McCarthy during the year, so let them get some confidence and positive results in Oklahoma first. Then you add Holland to the mix in August and Millwood and/or Padilla are expendable if we are in contention.

Grab Lowe, but still try to get Sheets and hope he is healthy or can be rehabilitated here. There are still options for this team to improve its pitching at relatively bargain prices. Don’t stop trying JD!!

Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!

by pbpsean on Jan 4, 2009 4:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If it weren't for our apparently limited finances, I'd say go for it

Overpaying for pitchers seems to be a fact of life for the Rangers. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like where in much of a position to do that this winter – even if we could, I’d wait and see what happens with Ben Sheets before taking a look at Lowe.

by Anon Jolters on Jan 4, 2009 6:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fixed!
Overpaying for pitchers seems to be a fact of life for the Rangers all MLB teams

Grow your own, or overpay. End of story.

Welcome Aboard, BTW.

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by Rodney on Jan 4, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by lonestarJon on Jan 4, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, i see...

like volquez, danks and young?

got it.

grow your own.

let’s see:

1. grow your own
2. trade or give away for nothing (quick shout out to galarraga)
3. money whip underachievers that have no better option than to pitch here

my GM training is almost complete

by sam in so cal on Jan 4, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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