Bye bye, DMN Rangers coverage
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 31, 2009 1:22 PM CST
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PrintToday, of course, is the last day the DMN will be covering the Rangers.
Technically, of course, they'll still be running Rangers stories in their print editions...it will just be the Rangers stories written by the S-T beat writers.
And I assume that a DMN columnist will every once in a while break away from Valley Ranch to write about the local baseball team.
But really, this is, for all intents and purposes, the end of the DMN covering baseball.
This will mean fewer links in our morning Rangers news posts. Fewer sources of information about what is going on with the team.
I can't imagine LSB will be linking back to the DMN much anymore. I have to assume that the baseball blog there is going away -- if there are no baseball writers at the DMN, there's not much point in having a baseball blog on the website, since that would just serve to highlight the absence of coverage.
And it isn't clear at this point whether the DMN website will be running the S-T's baseball stories or not, although I'm not sure what the point of that would be.
Anyway, it is a sad day for those of us who Jean-Jacques Taylor doesn't think exist, those of us who obsess about the Rangers and want as much coverage and information about them as we can get.
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Bring back the Dallas Times Herald
Jay Zygmunt, now that you have fired yourself, please have yourself hired by Seattle. Thanks.
748-1414
“748-1414… Call the Dallas Times Herald Classifieds and get results like you’ve never seen before”
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 31, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
awesome
“We are the paper, more people are turning to”
Wasn’t that in there somewhere?
Just Sign Him '09 --- Wait, didn't know about the flexor tendon thing.....gimme a second...
by Cecilio's Guante on Jan 31, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
i think
it was “these are the pages” but i could be wrong
by sam in so cal on Jan 31, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
bring back the times hearld
just don’t bring skip bayless back i c enough of his screaming on espn take 2
by bullfighter20032000 on Jan 31, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
no one obsesses over the rangers
so why should the DMN cover it
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 31, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
As much as I hope the DMN makes a comeback in two years when the Rangers are better, I don't know what to make of the future of newspapers two years from now.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
Not just the Rangers, right?
If I am not mistaken the Star Telegram wont be covering the Mavs or Stars anymore either, and using the Dallas Morning News stories. Overall all, bad for non-football sports in the metroplex.
Well
I think more is being lost on the Rangers coverage than on the Mavs or Stars. But you’re right, there will basically be one newpaper person covering each of thre three other major league teams now.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 31, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
There goes 100% of the reason
I ever bought the DMN.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
like the tribune company
going bankrupt, i wouldn’t doubt that there is a considerable problem with the newspapers in all major cities. I used to subscribe to a paper and for the past number of years I get my news online. It’s a shame, but the newspapers are dying.
Another one bites the dust! And another one, and another one, and another one bites the dust!
captain obvious
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Feb 1, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Granted
(play on words intentional) I only get Rangers info from this blog, NMLR, and links to Lucas’ and Joey’s and Jason’s work. Even links to DMN and the S-T start here. And links to young Grant Schiller start at NMLR. So as far as newspaper or TV sports editors are concerned, I don’t exist. Thus, fall in the “no one obsesses” blanket appellation. Obviously, that should read “no one patronizes” and would still be wrong.
However !! Needs get filled. Not always by the traditional source of service.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 31, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions
I could always use some more baseball
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I came to college
as a news print journalism major.
Needless to say, I am moving away from that. Far. Away.
The industry needs to stop with this ridiculous idea of splitting coverage, and look inside and find the real problem, which is that print is going out of style, and web news is taking over and fast.
Work on your web design, capture the market, and you will survive. Continue with this frivilous and meaningless crap, and you will not.
Its time...
by FormerLSBUser on Jan 31, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions
that's not exactly true
people still want to be able to read the newspaper in the morning or on a bus without having their laptop open. It’s possible that some electronic gizmo comes out that makes that happen (quite possible) but I can still see the need for a newspaper until then.
The other thing though, how much better do they really need to get at web design? If you want news about dallas, you still go to the DMN (either by paper or website). Not really anything else remotely good out there. The DMN is already good enough with their website that people who would consider reading news on a website will read it.
The real innovation needs to come with pricing and allocation of resources. Splitting up coverage is a pretty interesting idea and I’d be all for it if it didn’t include Rangers coverage getting axed.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Splitting up coverage won't help anything
Its the similar to what companies do when they are going down the crapper. They’ll keep laying people off because they are losing money, but that will only delay the inevitable. Newspapers have done a terrible job for years and with the economy looking as bad as it is, they are finally starting to realize that doing the same old thing won’t cut it. Unfortunately, their solution is to make their coverage worse, keep their highly overpaid columnists, do nothing to set them apart from other websites, and just do a terrible job marketing their product.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Seems to me they've made the wrong choices here.
Why keep the columnists, who just do what a lot of bloggers do as far as sharing half-baked opinions? Keeping the beat writers makes more sense to me, since their work and team access is not duplicated by internet-only operations. To me the columnists are worthless and redundant and I cannot understand keeping them at the expense of beat writers.
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yeah that's fine
i don’t agree with what they are trying to cut but I do agree that they need to cut something.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
It's the shock value that the newspaper thinks they provide.
...Snoop Doggy-Dogg... Ya need to get yourself a jobby-job.
by oc on Jan 31, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Right
because you can’t get that anywhere else. They just seem blind. Have they not heard of talk radio or the internet? Opinions, especially of the knee-jerk variety, abound. The beat writing is much more valuable.
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Sad to watch an industry die
but Ranger fans are luckier than most with the kind of blog coverage we get. You could have 10 major newspapers in town covering the Rangers beat and we would get as much info from them as we do from LSB, NMLR, BBTIA, Lucas, and the mlb.com site, etc.
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Antitrust
Since I’m taking the class right now, is there not some antitrust issues with this? Horizontal agreement between the two biggest newspapers in the market with the purpose of decreasing competition and limiting Rangers news output (although the definition of output here might be debatable)? Technically, if you proved that the market was Rangers news, the newspapers have now strengthened their market share through this joint venture and could effectively control the price of their Rangers news. It seems like when industries are dying, horizontal agreements are given some leeway but not always.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Evan Grant
So does anyone no where Evan ends up? I enjoyed his coverage and felt he took his work seriously and did a very good job for the DMN. What I especially liked about his work was that he did not spend all his time digging up dirt or making too much out of a clubhouse fracas or the words of a malcontent. Something Dallas writers are usually prone to do.
by San Diego Rangers fan on Jan 31, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions
Apologies to the Beatles' "Nowhere Man"
He’s a real nowhere man
Sitting in his Bermudas
Making all his fat man jokes
for nobody.
Belo shuns his point of view,
Knows not where he’s going to,
Isn’t he a bit like you and me?
Evan Grant, please listen,
They don’t know what they’re missin’,
Evan Grant, the world is at your command.
He’s as bald as he can be,
Just eats what he wants to eat,
Evan Grant can we read you at all?
Evan Grant, don’t worry,
Take your time, don’t hurry,
Leave it all ’till somebody else
hires your pen hand.
He’s a real nowhere man
Singing with the Parrot Heads
Thinking all his Rangers thoughts
for nobody.
Thinking all his Rangers thoughts
for nobody.
Thinking all his Rangers thoughts
for nobody.
The moves being made are too extra for my taste.
Good stuff
I’d change one line in the 2nd paragraph to"
Belo shuns his point of view,
Cares not where he’s going to,
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What they could do:
Invest in a Kindle type service, and deliver the paper electronically, at the current pricing model. This would cut out all the costs of delivery, paper, and ink, and possibly open up a larger market, i.e. DFW people who move away, there are plenty of those on this blog.
Here is one soon to come to market:
The Plastic Logic Reader will have a 14-inch screen (shaped like a standard 8.5-by-11 sheet of paper) Like the iRex devices, it will come with Wi-Fi but probably not the 3G cellular system the Kindle has.
If 3G cellular was built in, your reader could/would update automatically, loading up the days news at 3am (about the time it comes off the presses now), and continue to update breaking news, weather, sports, etc thoughout the day. Then, figure out some way to charge for ad revenue, and they would have two sources of electronic ad revenue to replace the print ad revenue they receive now. I could see printing a set number of papers daily, but limiting distribution to major retailers/hubs, etc.
Not everyone are internet geeks like all of us here. This would provide an alternative means to receive the news(paper), in a portable format that could be taken on the bus, car, etc.
If they partnered with a manufacturer, they could offer the device for maybe ~$100, while still keeping massively more revenue because of the cost offsets listed above.
That’s gotta be better than the Q-Cat idea…though maybe not any more viable.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
people still don't like reading thsoe things.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
Might be
But I bet the dislike gadgets crowd skews older.
Not to be Darwinian, but papers are probably going to fade with the passing of older generations. Kind of a cold thought, but – especially with environmentalism – what Gen X or younger citizen feels right about printing pages when an electronic version will do?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 31, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Not unique
I’m part of the older generation, and haven’t subscribed to a newspaper, bought one from a stand, or even picked one up at an airport gate since before 1990. And I cannot fathom anyone having the slightest interest in tabloids, supermarket rack or elsewhere. It was a topic of discussion and a reunion of the class of 1954 “50th”, at the casual conflab the night before the golf outing and formal reunion dinner. The concensus – fewer read newspapers than those who didn’t any more. And that was nearly five years ago, when we were 66-67 or so.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 1, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
Typo
“At” a reunion, not “and” …
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Feb 1, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions
You know, as sad as this makes me
I think you’ve got to admit, the DMN’s baseball coverage ended a couple months ago (or however long it’s been) when they removed Evan Grant from the Rangers beat. And without EG, there’s really not much point in having the DMN cover the Rangers anyway. Although I’m going to obviously miss the tidbits and stuff Rich Durrett throws out there, and simply being able to visit the DMN’s vastly superior site as opposed to the POS the ST has thrown up on the interwebs, it was over as soon as we lost Evan.
R.I.P, DMN. Hope you’ll come back when we win a world series.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
you
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
by ab03 on Jan 31, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you're missing the point
they ended Evan’s coverage BECAUSE they were discontinuing the Rangers beat.
"To be ignorant of one’s ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."
I dunno about that
I mean (if memory serves, anyway) Evan dissapeared before any of this merger business was announced, right? Which was coincidentally right after all the hoopla the prissy Boston media made over his MVP vote.
Maybe the ending of the coverage is why he never came back, but it seemed like his initial banishment had more to do with the Boston thing at the time.
That Gold Glove for Young was the worst thing that could have happened to Texas - now the guy really believes he's good at short. - Keith Law
I doubt it
The Boston thing only helps the DMN. Its the same reason why ESPN employs guys like Skip Bayless and the ST loves Galloway. While Evan isn’t anything like those guys, getting some national recognition even for doing something stupid is only good for the DMN.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
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I mean (if memory serves, anyway) Evan dissapeared before any of this merger business was announced, right?
Before it became public knowledge, yes.
But the DMN and S-T were already well into discussions, reportedly, and the leaks of the planned merger of coverage came out right around the time Grant moved. Grant being moved to the Cowboys beat seemed to be the signal for folks to start talking about it coming down.
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 31, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
I sure hope they don't do their boxscores
like college boxscores. They’ve already done that with basketball and hockey. It’s like reading a small town newspaper. Maybe on Sundays they’ll go back to that 80’s style of listing the top 100 batting average leaders.
That was awesome
When I was a kid I would stare at those lists for hours on Sunday afternoons.
"Was this really necsarry?" - cowpoke/hurler hurley
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