The latest on Varitek
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 4, 2009 10:26 PM CST
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Varitek and his agent, Scott Boras, initially wanted a four-year deal worth $40 million, similar to the deal Varitek just completed. In 2008, Varitek was the league’s third-highest paid catcher, behind Jorge Posada and Ivan Rodriguez of the Yankees.
As the offseason has worn on, however, no other team has seemed interested in signing the 36-year-old Varitek to a long-term deal, and it is thought that Varitek and the Red Sox are now discussing a shorter contract.
So, yeah, if that happens, that would kind of suck for those of us who were hoping to see a deal with Boston go down.
On the other hand, it would put a stop to the incessant argument about who has all the leverage in these trade talks.
I could just see it...Jon Daniels getting the call telling him Boston isn't interested in a catcher anymore because they re-upped Varitek on a two year deal, and pulling a George Costanza: "But I have hand!"
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So much for Heyman's Manny to Texas rumor
looks like TR checked it out http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/01/rangersramirez_rumors.html
by stltxfan on Jan 4, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Josh Byrnes is sitting right next to JD and saying the same thing.
I think this may be an indicator that Theo is gonna go all-in on some other trade target. He can live Varitek’s pointless bat in the lineup, if he picks up someone like Hanley Ramirez. He’s checked out the price tag for someone of that caliber, and he’s lining up his ducks. Or, so it appear to me.
Go Rangers!
by rooster on Jan 4, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boston won't be able to get hanley
best SS who is cheap for the marlins. Y would they trade him? There may be other teams out there, they can make a deal with, but I doubt it.
Varitek is so stupid for declining arbitration. Good luck Boston with that catcher behind the plate because he is only going to get better with old age.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 5, 2009 6:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Varitek
was so bad last year. He was horrible in the playoffs. He’s 36. Do these people have any memories of that?
I have to think they do. So, I agree with the Leverage Alert thesis, for JD. The Sox don’t want Varitek back. How could they?
by 3Bagger on Jan 5, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget...
…that anyone who signs him loses draft picks.
by FuturePants on Jan 5, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"yah, and you're gonna need it!"
Really all America want is cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to take a s**t with a door on it. - Mr. Ford
by buckets on Jan 4, 2009 10:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with this
We can keep the three catchers with Max in AAA and Tea and Salty catching in the bigs with Salty getting an additional few at bats at DH. Lets see how this shakes out
BTW, a huge miscalculation by Boras. Tek should have taken arbitration
by BEW on Jan 5, 2009 12:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
we didn’t need to trade a catcher unless we got the right deal. GJ JD for not giving in to the Boston hype that is masterson and bowden.
Salty was also getting more acclimated to switching off between catching and DH in the DWL.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 5, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
it’s fine, one of them can be traded later, to Boston or some other team.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 5, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or to the Yankees
when their catcher gets hurt. We’ll see if Boston will be more receptive then
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 5, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Suppose Brian Cashman called up this morning and offered Ian Kennedy for Saltalamacchia...
Keeping this and his age in mind…
Would’ya?
by oc on Jan 5, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nyet
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 2:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
way.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 7:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why the 2 are mututally exlusive.
Tek signs a 2 year deal, Salty/TT would be used as the primary backup for the first season and becomes the full time C the next season . The Bard deal was a non-guaranteed deal, so basically he is there as a worst case/last chance scenario.
Even if the Sox resign Varitek, the Ranger’s Catcher to Boston nonsense will still persist.
by laxtonto on Jan 5, 2009 8:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
However I think it will be put on hold until either midseason or next season. If Varitek comes out and performs like he did in 08 then I think in June we could hear rumors of the trade talks starting up again. If he bounces back and has a good year then I think it holds off until next winter when they will still be looking for a long term answer at the position.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
June 09
Howeve by then hopefully Salty and Teagarden are starting to establish themselves as good major league players.
by Michael Cave on Jan 5, 2009 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And we can select whichever one we want to keep with a little more confidence in what we will get from them.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
if you believe that both of those guys are good players, considering what they reportedly can and can’t get for them now, they would be smart to hang onto them and let them both establish themselves. Their value will be much higher then. The irony from my seat is that a lot of the people here who argue that Saltalamacchia is worth a lot and should be in the same class as Buchholz, for example, are the same people who don’t really think that Salty is any good and basically want him out of here.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 5, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wishful thinking
The odds are not that good that both of them establish themselves as good major league catchers with just a one season (split) behind the plate.
And when that happens, everyone will be saying to bring up Max and trade the one which isn’t doing well. And that guy will probably have less value than he does right now.
by NorCalRangersFan on Jan 5, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Catchers
They don’t have to “establish” themselves as in become all stars or anything. But if Teagarden shows the gold glove caliber defense we have been led to believe and competent at the plate that would be more than enough. And if Salty can shot being competent behind the plate and get somewhat hot at the plate, perhaps sacrificing OBP for a little higher batting average and higher slugging and more eye catching stats then that would be enough. As long as neither completely flop then that should be more than enough even in split duties
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It still boils down to whether you want to gamble and guess at which of the two is a good/better player or wait and find out yourself. The consequences in each case are obvious, so to me it depends on just how valuable they are in trade at each point. And their apparent value now doesn’t sound high enough to me to gamble and guess at this point.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 5, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Varitek will suck again at the plate.....
Good luck Boston…..you’ll need it!!
Call us in June when you’re desperate!!
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Jan 5, 2009 11:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Boston
resigning Varitek has any effect on a potential Tex-Bos trade. From Boston’s perspective, I would want Varitek to come back and mentor a potential replacement such as Saltalamacchia.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 5, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That would be so funny.....
since the first thing Salty said about maybe going to Boston was that he would be all for it knowing he would finally be the everyday catcher.
Being mentored would so piss him off, hehe.
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Jan 5, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He actually said he'd like to be mentored by "Tek too, if I recall correctly.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Likes mentoring
Guess that’s why he married a teacher.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 5, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Zing!
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 6, 2009 3:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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