Pat Burrell to the D-Rays
by Adam J. Morris on Jan 5, 2009 3:21 PM CST
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Pat Burrell has reportedly agreed to a 2 year, $16 million deal with the Tampa Bay Rays.
Bah.
Good addition for the Rays. I would have liked him in Texas on a one year deal at $8-9 million, but there was no need (and I suspect, no desire on the part of the Rangers) to have him for more than a year.
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Bradley
And according to MLBTraderumors, ESPN radio is reporting a 3 year, $30 million deal for Bradley with options with the Cubs.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/milton-bradley.html
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 5, 2009 3:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ken Rosenthal has it as well
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the
Rangers are interested in Manny. Can we really believe anything from him?
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 5, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not the only one saying it..
That’s 2 now… Could be something to it. Attendance, Clean-up hitter, Right handed, pays for himself.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3 year contract + Milton Bradley + NL team = Dumb NL team
by hiafex on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well he said he wanted 4 years at 10M per
he got 3 and maybe an option…
Good luck Milton
by laxtonto on Jan 5, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I mean holy shit. 10 mil per year to have Milton Bradley and his knees playing in the NL.
Poor Cub fans.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you going to miss all those fun
Connect 4 images?
Aikman and Bradshaw?
Please. They are in the same league as Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon as QBs who were taken to the SB by great Defenses and great Running Games.
-DJCahill
by SarasotaRanger on Jan 5, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Those where fun. They weren’t among the most epic though. There where a couple Laird ice cream images I think I’ll miss more than the board game images.
The one I’m going to miss is Gossamer’s Jamey Wright/Zohan thing. That was the perfect combination of cool, random and weird.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 6, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least he won't be tearing it up against us.
Good luck Boardgame.
by Athos on Jan 5, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
I would’ve cried tears of blood if he’d gone to the Angels, M’s or A’s.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
unless it was 3 years with an option for 4 at 10+M per
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 5, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
would have been fine in the AL.
its risky in the NL but I dont think it will be a disaster. Its not like its GMJ for 50 mil or some 120 million zito disaster, its not a big enough contract to kill them and if bradley hits like he did in texas for 100 games a year its fine.
not a particularly good signing though.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain why there was no need to have a guy like Burrell on a two year deal?
Is it cause we’re writing Smoak’s name into our ’10 lineup in ink?
Good deal for the Rays.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree with you
especially at that price
by Brett Perryman on Jan 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
I guess the payroll is that tight.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 5, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My first thought....
was man that’s a great deal for the Rays and my second thought was “why not us?”
by bdavison94 on Jan 5, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how quick you forget your mancrush
MadMax.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 5, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a catcher.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
we need pitching, and not hitting. Duh.
Don’t you read Seth’s posts?
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 5, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DH
I think DHs are somewhat easy to find. Maybe not Burrells quality but you can find guys who can hit fairly easy. Add in the fact that Max Ramirez would be able to DH full time probably by midseason this year much less next year and Justin Smoaks expected arrival early next year and yeah I don’t think it would be wise to start locking up a guy like Burrell past this year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
We won’t get anything close to Burrell but our problem is we have so much money tied up in “DH” types, like Blalock, Max and Cat, that its tough to justify another DH to the club.
I think the assumption that you can move Blalock is not as much of a slam dunk as some think.
When you have big needs in the rotation, 3B, and defense in general, it’s tough to lock up another DH to a multiyear contract, even if its an upgrade to what you have.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 5, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As of next year we'll have zero dollars tied up in DH types, though. (And how do we have money tied in Max, btw?)
The thing that’s becoming clear as this buyer’s market shapes up is that we may have made a horrible mistake activating Hank’s option year.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed (Blalock)
I’m not sure why this isn’t being discussed more. If the Rangers are this strapped for cash, they had no business exercising the option unless they already had a subsequent trade in place. It would be nice to have that $6 million right now to be a player for some guys whose prices are falling fast.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 5, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well to be fair
I don’t think anybody predicted players value would plummet as far as they have this offseason. Alot of people figured salaries would decline somewhat but not as drastically as they have. plus in early November when we had to decide the economy was different than it is today. Yeah if we could have waited I don’t think we would have exercised it but at the time it was the right move.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 6, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
early November
1. At minimum, the Rangers should have been aware of their financial position. If Re-upping Blalock meant zero payroll flexibiity for the rest of the offseason, than it was a bad decision.
2. It was pretty clear that the economy was in terrible shape and that was likely to have some effect on the market. In early November, I never would have thought that Burnett, Ibanez, and Bradley would get the money they did – so there have been some big winners – but it was clear that some guys would be getting less money this offseason.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 6, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why Hank at 6 mil was considered a good deal
In previous winters Hank at 6 mil would have been a bargain. Now its more of just an average deal. His talent is there. When healthy he has been reall really good the last couple years. Makes you remember the fact he was once the top prospect in all of baseball. Going into the offseason we knew if we didn’t execise his option we would need a DH. Burrell looked to get more than 8 mil per, Bradley wanted multiple years, Giambi was gonna ask for alot more than Hank was getting, and any other options out there would probably cost well over 6 mil and would probably want multiple years. So at that price and that length Hanks deal is a good one. Of course now that the offseason has shook out and Burrell only got 8 mil per for only 2 years yeah it does look like we could have saved some money but I still think it was the right decision.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 6, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock, 1yr/6mil
I wouldn’t consider it a good deal, maybe if he could still play third base.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 6, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The D-Bags apparently knew when they declined Adam Dunn.
Some people knew, or at least though they knew.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 6, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn didn't have to cheap of an option though
With the Diamondbacks missing out on the playoffs and Dunn not really filling a positional need for them, I can see why they wouldn’t have wanted to pick up his option.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 7, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My point is that they didn't offer him arb. (He didn't even have an option, if that's what you were talking about. I can't tell what you meant there.)
If the market was as it usually is, they’d have to be crazy to not offer a guy like Dunn arb. I mean, it’s free draft picks. But with money being tight they looked around and saw that there was a good chance he might accept and get a bigger payday then they were comfortable with in this market, so they chose to not even take that risk.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2009 1:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was clear
before we exercised the option. Once he couldn’t play 3B last year, his value plummeted. I know folks love him because he was a great prospect and he looked to have the sky as his limit when he came off the farm and was an All Star, but now he is an injury prone platoon DH.
As far as Max, I should say roster spots instead of money. The team can only have so many slow pitch softball players, and we passed our limit, it makes it tough to acquire a lot of the slow pitch softball players who are on the market this year.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 6, 2009 6:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that
If he is DH how do you know he will be injury prone? And I highly doubt he will be in any kind of platoon. Fact is when healthy he has been a beast the last couple years. Small sample size me all you want but the numbers speak for themselves. I’ll take my chance on him staying healthy at DH and performing well above the 6.25 mil he is going to be earning.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 6, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hank Blalock Career Vs. Lefties
.231/.285/.371 in 925 PAs.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 6, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last two years
2007: .298/.370/.426
2008: .277/.337/.566
And don’t bother screaming small sample size I know all about it. Just pointing out he has looked alot better the last couple years against lefties and so I don’t think he will be in any kind of platoon unless he comes out and completely bombs against them.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 6, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll remember this.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 6, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And via mlbtraderumors
The Angels have extended Scioscia through 2012.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy!
Another four years of Scioscia’s Howard’s commercials. Yippee.
by Inkara1 on Jan 5, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Don’t remind me…
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So the Angels extended Scioscia thru 2012?
They must really feel like he is their manager of the future.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
duh.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dynamite Drop in Josey, I see that broadcaster school is really paying off
:-)
by Michael Cave on Jan 5, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how many managers out there don't have
an extension or guaranteed year in 2010?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont respond to him. It only encourages his inane comments
by BEW on Jan 5, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It stands to reason with me that if your manager
felt secure about his future, he wouldn’t be managing month to month as though his won/loss recorded depended on it.
That way you’re not compelled to play Gerald Laird over younger, more upside kids like Salty or Teagarden plus you’d also find a way to start a 25 year old Brandon Boggs (fresh off a .791 OPS in August) more than three games in September.
Then again it probably won’t be as costly (which seems to be a recurring theme) to make somebody the interim manager if this team gets off to another rocky start.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs
Who should he have replaced? Hamilton? Cruz? Byrd? 791 OPS isn’t exactly earthshattering. He was the 4th best OF on the team and thus played accordingly.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he wanted him to play over byrd, who had a 1.095 ops in august
just a slight missed detail.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I would have said Byrd who spent most of September limping
around on one leg.
When you are out of the race (the Rangers had been out of it for three weeks) on September 1, it’s time to play the kids who might have a future. When or if this thing ever turns around, Marlon Byrd will have no part of it. There is a chance that Boggs could be a part of it.
It’s not like having Byrd in the line-up was some kind of difference maker because the team was 8-10 in their first 18 games of September (finishing 12-12 for the month).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd
Byrd, on one leg as you say, put up a 770 OPS in September. I could see your argument if he had been injured and unproductive but you don’t sit the guy simply to play a guy like Boggs.
And as I mentioned in another thread if Byrd can get us either good prospects via trade or draft pick compensation then in essence he is a part of our long term plan. So you play the guys that will help you out. Just because the calendar turns to September doesn’t mean the vets get to lounge around and you start playing strictly kids. If a guy isn’t as good or markedly better then they don’t deserve to be out there simply due to their age. In my opinion Boggs ceiling is a Marlon Byrd. So unless he is outperforming Byrd he doesn’t jump Byrd.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Steve,
I worry more about the development of players than I do about what players like Marlon Byrd will fetch us via trade or draft picks.
This organization made a giant mistake in playing GLaird as much as they did at the cost of Salty’s (and to a degree Teagarden) development at the major league level.
Look at us…having a discussion about the Great Game and nobody’s going away from the table mad!!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salty
Well you say we shouldn’t have played Byrd because he was injured in September but if I remember correctly Salty was injured in September. So which is it?
And what if Byrd fetches us a pitching prospect? Thats a very real possibility. His free agent stature (type status) is a very key element. Im sorry but just like when GMJ garnered us multiple draft picks Byrd has that possibility also. With the success we have had in the draft the last couple years I would be very happy to get two draft picks for Marlon Byrd. If that means sitting a guy like Brandon Boggs who at his ceiling is a platoon player at best, I am perfectly happy with that. Brandon Boggs doesn’t figure to be a starter for us in 2010 anyway. He figures to be a platoon player at most. Im sorry but that type of player doesn’t deserve special stature when a guy like Byrd is playing the way he was playing. Im sorry but you are dead wrong on this matter.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salty was healthy throughout August and
Teagarden was healthy throughout September but Washington started Laird in 39 of this team’s last 53 games when they had no hope in hell of contending.
Marlon Byrd is a player who will be in decline next year and this team should have found a way to trade him by this point.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I recall
Art Moreno saying that as long as he owns the Angels, he will want Scioscia as manager.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Jan 5, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In other words
as long as Moreno owns the Angels, I will hate them.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 5, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You and me both
Scioscia pisses me off more than any one player on that team. Except maybe Juan Rivera. It was nice not having to see his ugly mug this season.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Jan 5, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless they hire my Dad as manager, I will always hate the Angels, period.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hate the Angels even if they hired my Dad as manager
(No offense, Dad).
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 6, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he wasn't gonna get 2 yrs.
here, so good for him finding it elsewhere.
Good for Milton. Bad news for the Cubbies.
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 5, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily.
Could end up being a huge bargain.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What could MB
realistically do (production-wise and health-wise) to make him a huge bargain?
I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.
by Haeger Champ on Jan 5, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably continue to have offensive years like the one he just had here
And play 150+ games every year.
The first part might conceivably happen, but the second has about a snowballs chance in hell.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he can put up numbers like last year's
then he’d be will worth the 10mm per season even at 120-130 games.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except I find it really hard to imagine him playing the field 120 times a year
Or putting up numbers like last season over a full season while playing the field again
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if it's factual or not
But RF in Wrigley may be easier on his knees than most diamonds, and he has the arm for it. Natural turf, loam instead of clay underneath, etc. Just hope Milton doesn’t head butt the wall, bricks don’t give like padded surfaces.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 5, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine its somewhat easier
But the fact remains he has always been a health risk, is coming off a serious knee injury, and will now be forced to play the field to stay in the lineup.
If you look at his career splits he is about a 275/.350/.450 career hitter when hes playing a position in the field. That kind of line for possibly 120 games a year at that price is a bit expensive if you ask me.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa
Milton would have been a better fit if they still had DeRosa. Bradley will need the occasional day off, and DeRosa can handle RF here and there. Of course, if Pie starts to hit, it will be a moot point.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 5, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
By my count they already have five OFs under contract – Soriano, Bradley, Fukudome, Johnson, and Gathright. Doesn’t seem like they’re going to give Pie much a chance, barring injuries.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 5, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord.
Now that the Gms are back from chistmas vacation Free Agents are going. Fast.
Giambi very close with the A’s
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 5, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
There goes thedirkatron’s idea of upgrading to Giambi and trading Hank.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FA hitters
So the only available options for FA righty hitters are Manny and Dunn. I don’t see either coming here so Cruz looks to be your opening day cleanup hitter.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jan 5, 2009 3:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
has abreu signed anywhere yet?
he may not be a true cleanup hitter anymore but he is remarkably consistent and he won’t cost a draft pick.
by clark on Jan 5, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FA Righty Hitters
That list does not include Dunn. He is LH (same with Abreu).
by atlantaranger on Jan 5, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh yes my bad.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jan 5, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
either way Dunn is great and
younger than people think
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 5, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about a low cost option....
in the Big Hurt? With the A’s signing Giambi there’s seemingly no way he’d come back too, and it seemed like he was starting to pick up the pace towards the end of the season.
If he could be had as either a NRI or at the league min., would you take a chance on him?
by venturafearsnolan on Jan 5, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A minor league deal
Absolutely. But thats all
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the chips are starting to fall now
Rangers, please sign Sheets
I don’t know why I still hold out hope on that front
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 5, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think we have until someone signs Derek Lowe to get Sheets
Once Lowe is off the board however, intrest in Sheets will probably pick up and we’ll be screwed.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just dont
know the next time we are going to get a chance to sign an ace quality pitcher who wants to come here. I know the payroll is tight, Sheets is an injury risk, and he wants a multiyr deal. However, this is the one summer we could get a bargain.
by Michael Cave on Jan 5, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at this point
Sheets really scares me. There must be some medical information out there the average fan doesn’t know that is keeping teams from going after him more aggressively.
by clark on Jan 5, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
do you think he is just asking for a Burnett like contract?
by Michael Cave on Jan 5, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
from the start
we have been hearing that he wants a two year deal. If that is really the case, anything up to 15M/year would not be a huge financial risk for most teams if he were really healthy.
I think the delay is purely health related. 2 years at 12M per is no bargain if he Schmidts us.
by clark on Jan 5, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
i would assume some teams are offering 12-14 mil for that first year but then having innings clauses to get that 2nd and 3rd yr at the same cost. Probably wants a little more security than that
by Michael Cave on Jan 5, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then what's up with guys like Lowe, Manny, Abreu, Giambi, etc.?
I think this market is just so down right now that guys are finding they’re not getting the offers they think they deserve right now so they’re holding out trying to see if someone gets desperate and blinks.
Or maybe it’s the injury history, but there’s been no evidence put out there to confirm that, and if that many teams really had a problem wit his medicals you’d think there’d be some pretty loud whispers out there by now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the uneasy feeling that Billy Beane is lurking.
Should have lots of money to spend, a few distinct needs with a young team to build around…scary.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does he have lots of money to spend?
When have the As had lots of money to spend?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Steve, I thought the A's payroll
was close to $ 35-40 million by the end of last season which is about half of what it was in 2007.
They got Holliday in a trade and were supposedly in the mix for Furcal and possibly Giambi or Abreu. I assume that meant he had a lot more money than usual to spend.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland
Simply looking at Cots real quick they have a little under 35 million committed to 4 players for next year right now. With their arbitrations and pre arbitrations I would imagine right now their payroll going into next year without Giambi is around 50 mil whcih is roughly what they started last year at. Giambi probably gets close to 10 if not more so that puts them I would think about at their threshold for payroll. I could be wrong but I hadn’t heard the As being mentioned as big spenders this offseason. I know they were in on guys like Furcal but I assumed they dropped out due to the price getting too high for them.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Older players
wanting multiyear deals based on their peak years. Normally there is some sucker that will overpay, but I think GMs really want to keep the number of years down on risks like that. All of them are mid 30s, and I think a lot of them want 4-5 year deals.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 5, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think all of those guys are in different situations
there is a market for Lowe, and he is getting reasonable multi-year offers…just not what he expected to get. I think the market for Lowe and Perez is the next to stabilize. I have not heard of a single solid offer for Sheets, which is what makes me think his situation is more related to injury concerns than contract expectations.
for the sluggers, it is just a waiting game. There were a few teams (Cubs, Rays, A’s) that had a serious need for a slugger, and once one signed, it was a domino effect. I am anxious to see what happens with Dunn, as he could be the biggest bargain of the offseason. Teams just don’t seem to realize his value.
by clark on Jan 5, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe
they do realize the normal trajectory of a player with “old player skills” and don’t want to lock up longterm a player that could easily disappoint on the back end of a long term contract.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 5, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Manny, Dunn and Abreu
I have a hard time believing any of those guys will get more than a two year deal at this point this offseason. Manny will probably get something like what Andruw Jones got last year, and the other two will have to settle for a one year deal or a deal like the one Burrell just signed.
by clark on Jan 5, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's still a pretty thin case, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a terrific deal for the Rays.
Tango projects him .371/.483/.854 in the NL, and he should benefit from playing as a DH in the AL. Even if he’s moving to a slightly less hitter-friendly park.
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by ghtd36 on Jan 5, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm...sorry?
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 5, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
that was snarky of me. i just don’t like when people format OBP/SLG/OPS that way. Perhaps I am too set in my ways, but I think it should always be AVG/OBP/SLG and then you can add the last two in your head.
by clark on Jan 5, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
plus, OBP/SLG/OPS is redundant to anyone who can do basic math.
AVG/OBP/SLG at least has 3 pieces of different info.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 5, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, at first, i was wtf
854 slugging???!
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 5, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah at first
I thought he had a .371 BA, that’s RIDICULOUS…lol
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 5, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noted.
Won’t happen again.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 5, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
smack down
I’ve been smack around a few times for improper slash stats. Assume everyone can add… .avg/.obp/.slg.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 5, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's about what Josh Hamilton is hitting on my playstation 2
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PS2??
Dude, time to upgrade to next gen!!
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Jan 5, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The next gen
Costs too frigging much. And I hate Xbox controllers.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ps3 is awesome.
Well worth the coin if you can swing it.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet it is
But I’m kind of a poor mofo.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would get it for the blu-ray
but I’m not sure if blu-ray will catch on fully. i think it will take alot longer than a person’s switch from dvd just because blu-ray is essentially the same just more space which = higher quality available.
it will all be downloads and solely on harddrives before too long. sorry for the strange off-topic.
GO BASEBALL! :P
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 5, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blu ray
Well HD DVD went bye bye because of blu ray so I think they have the high def DVD market cornered
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HD VOD
is the next big thing. There are already quite a few boxes out there that you just download the movie, no disc required. Blu Ray won’t ever become a dominant format IMO.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 5, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
There is a lot left for them to do to match what Blu-Ray offers. I don’t know too much about what they offer, but I believe they don’t offer all the special features of a Blu Ray disc and of course you can’t exactly watch it anywhere.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Features
hd-dvd had more features on it’s disk than blu-ray at the time of it’s demise and it still failed. it took blu-ray a while to get the whole “bd-live” thing going.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 5, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but hd dvd only died because studios switched to blu-ray..
if blur ray didnt exist hd dvd would still be fine.
blu ray will be successful, though VoD will definitely take a chunk of the market.
my cable box has a lot of HD on demand stuff, as does my xbox 360 and of course you can get things on the pc.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HD-DVD died
because it was an inferior technology with less to offer. It also helped that Sony made the PS3 a Blu-Ray player too.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
based on what
I had a hd dvd player, and have a blu ray player now. To my perception HD DvDs had all the features and looked 100% as good. and had the hd dvd/dvd combo feature that some liked and blu ray is going to get soon.
and i know the sales were back and forth until the point that warner switched from hd dvd exclusive to blu ray exclusive.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The main thing IMO
is that Blu-Ray’s single layer discs could hold 10 GB more memory than an HD-DVD and the dual layered therefore held 20 more GB. Right now, HD DVDs were on par with Blu-Rays, but in the future, they weren’t going to be able to go as far with them as a Blu-Ray disc.
This is also the same reason why I love the PS3 so much more than the other “next gen” systems.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the blu ray disks have had about zero impact on ps3 games
7.5 gigs today is a lot different than 7.5 gigs when dvds were first being used. All about compression.
the total impact of dvd vs blu ray as a 360 owner: a couple overly compressed cutscenes in gears of war, and having to switch disks in a couple RPGS.
i know the occasional sony owned ps3 exclusive dev will say they couldn’t do something without blu ray, yet all the 3rd party games look just as good if not better on the 360.
and back and forth capacity or not, the difference between them had no impact on the quality of the picture or extras included while they were releasing concurrently. And i saw plenty of articles about ways to put even more space on hd dvds before it was killed off and obviously that all stopped. Theoretical improvements aside, what the user got was 100% as good, it wasnt some flatly inferior product.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
although of course
the blu ray drive itself is huge, its a great way to get a good value on a player. it just hasn’t done anything significant for the games themselves.
though maybe it will in eventually, at which point there will probably be a different xbox console anyway.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's kind of what I said
Right now, you won’t see much of a difference if any, and any difference is probably due to the production companies rather than the disc’s capacity. But in the future, that extra 10 GB will make a huge difference.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HD-DVD died t he same reason that Beta did
The Porn industry, which is the largest producer of all video tapes/dvd, chose Blueray…
It is kinda funny how big of a sway the porn industry has on video distribution
by laxtonto on Jan 5, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh, at one point their support of HD-DVD was
one of the reasons hd dvd was going to win. do a google search and articles will come up.
look, the second warner went from hd dvd to blu ray, it was over. rather they switched because of copyright, encryption or whatever, thats when it ended. I had a hd dvd at the time and no blu ray, i was following it.
but none of it matters aside from money wasted on hd dvds (though at least most of mine work as normal dvds), because on the end user level they were nearly identical products,
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of my hd-dvds were bought after the format was declared the loser and stores clearance’d inventory.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 6, 2009 4:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
but I’m sure everyone knows how popular that is on the internet. People who buy that stuff would love to be able to stream it right to their tv.
Blu Ray won’t have a long reign like DVDs did.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 6, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone look at porn
on disc anymore? With all the free websites, I can’t imagine why.
Get off my lawn.
by DJCahill on Jan 6, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about
deleted scenes, commentaries, behind the scenes extras, etc.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think features are overrated.
I just want to watch a movie, and on demand is great.
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by t ball on Jan 5, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People still want the actual discs
VOD may be like the IPOD is to music. IPODs affected CD sales but people still buy the CDs. Unless there is a cheap blu ray burner being developed people will want the discs to be able to watch whenever and wherever they want
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most movies
I want to watch once, not over and over. If I really love a movie I’ll buy it, but I have to really love it. Right now the only one I own is the Godfather set. I’d like to own the LOTR trilogy and a few others, because those will have special features worth watching (to me, anyway). But I’m not going to go buy a whole bunch of movies.
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by t ball on Jan 5, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats you
But I can almost guarantee you you are in the minority. Maybe not on here but alot of people like to own the disc to have the tangible piece of inventory. Hell I have a ton of DVDs ive bought and only watched once. But they are there if I ever want to watch them or take them with me when I go on trips or whatever.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 5, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
A lot of people like collecting movies. And there are a lot of people who will watch the same movie many times. Not always because they really want to, but because they are watching with friends or whatever.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I had friends
I wouldn’t be here so much.
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by t ball on Jan 5, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could have gotten the 360 for 200 with a harddrive during the holidays.
And its controller is the best ever made LSJ, shameful i say.
of course, baseball wise the ps3 has the good game and its still expensive.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand the XBox controllers, either.
Although the Ps3 controllers are perhaps even shittier.
But at least I’m used to ’em after playing so much Playstation and Ps2.
I’ll take the shit I’m used to over the shit I’m not.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For me it's the freaky toggle-stick placement on the xbox
I learned how to play on the Ps2 layout, and have just never been able to get used to the xbox layout. I’m only a videogame novice, really (don’t play much more than baseball games) but I’m still kind of a playstation snob when it comes to that kinda stuff.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if for some reason you get some cash and want to upgrade
If you can only buy one, the xbox 360 is better in almost every way when compared to a PS3.
Do not make the mistake. Unless you just want both.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jan 5, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well i like my 360 a lot and to a general gamer would reccommend it over the ps3
but I play a lot of online multiplayer and such… LSJ said most of what he plays is baseball, ps3 having the very good “the show” and 360 having the disastrous 2k series.. thats a pretty big edge.
although i dont think he plans on getting either heh.
man i hope 2k gets it together this year. mlb 2k7 was a big step up, they somehow managed to make the graphics worse, the framerate worse, take away the cool cutscenes, add yet another control set that wihle semi-cool wasn’t needed, and screw up the online with massive lag problems in 2k8. And now mere months from release they havn’t released one screenshot or one list of features being added or worked on for 2k9. Disaster.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 2k baseball series
Might just indeed be the worst of all time.
Funny how right before it, MVP 2005 might be the greatest baseball game of all time.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jan 5, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes yes yes
MVP 2005 was great.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Jan 5, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
360
Yeah they are cheaper, and I like the online play but mines out for repair for the second freaking time!!
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 5, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i had to fix mine personally. opened it up and replaced how a cooling part was attached which
was the flaw causing them to break.
the newest ones have fixed the flaw now though.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It’s just too bad they don’t actually fix the problems when they get sent for repair. I almost went and bought one of the new ones just so i would know i’d have a functional system.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jan 5, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? It's terrific?
I mean, I see this as a decent value for the Rays, but I’m having a hard time imagining that this is going to be a “terrific deal” at the end of the day.
by Joey Matschulat on Jan 5, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
8 mil too much in your opinion?
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 5, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
Let me say I think there’s a distinction between this being a good value (which it is) and being “terrific.” The Rays are probably going to get their $8-9M of production and little more than that — in other words, they’re going to more or less get what they paid for. That isn’t equivalent to being a “terrific deal” in my book, though I may be arguing little more than semantics here.
by Joey Matschulat on Jan 5, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess when you get a good deal in free agency nowadays
It is considered terrific.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 5, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I consider most FA deals....
way over what should be fair value so when I see something that looks fair I think it’s a pretty good deal. Makes zero sense I know but it is what it is.
by bdavison94 on Jan 5, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It fills a need for the Rays at a discount.
Burrell takes his place in the middle of the order with Pena and Longoria. It allows you to move Longoria up to the 3-spot, keep Pena batting 5th, and put Iwamura and Upton at the top of your order.
You have leadoff guy in Iwamura, a speedy guy with some pop in Upton, an emerging star in Longoria, Burrell, and a masher in Pena. Not to mention whoever you put behind them (Crawford, et al).
I think it’s a great deal at a good price for the Rays.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
by ghtd36 on Jan 5, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anytime you can pluck a guy out of free agency for less than he probably would've gotten from arbitration, that's a solid freaking deal.
This off season is a bargain hunter’s dream.
Too bad we’re too broke to shop… :(
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers are like LSJ
when X-Box 360s and PS3s go on sale, but he still has to buy the aging under-performing console.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
by tdi1985 on Jan 5, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
LMAO
Rec.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets and Millwood...
Let’s say the Rangers can only get Sheets if they trade away Millwood….
What would JD have to do first??
- Sign Sheets first – then the return on Millwood drops because other teams know that the Rangers are trying to get rid of him because of the signing of Sheets. Now they have to throw in some of Millwood’s contract?? A bucket of balls in return??
- Trade Millwood first – then the price for Sheets suddenly goes up because Sheets’ agent knows they traded away Millwood to go full steam after Sheets.
Maybe it’s been quiet on the Sheets front because the Rangers are trying to do both at the same time as to prevent either of these situations from happening…….sshh.
t ball on MY - "hate the contract, don't hate the player"
by bspate on Jan 5, 2009 4:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you'd need to trade millwood first.
You would just have to be prepared to give him away for nothing (but getting rid of most of the salary) if you couldn’t find anyone to give up a half decent prospect.
I can’t imagine there isnt a NL team that can look at his time here and attribute it to arlington and at least pick up most of the contract.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
millwood is in a contract year, kindof
and i would expect big things from him this year, comparable to Millwood big that is. He is always his best in contract years. Sheets and Millwood would be decent with padilla and 2 others pitchers possibly solidifying a struggling rotation. And, yet they’ll suck again I’m sure. There is always false hope.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 5, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an idea: Let's trade Padzilla instead. He's just as expensive, and he's a worse pitcher.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you distinguish
which of Padilla and Millwood is worse?
by jonthefon on Jan 5, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
Millwood should regress to a better pitcher this year…and think of all the money they’d save on hair grease!
by GhettoBear04 on Jan 5, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually 1mm more expensive this year
According to Cots.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worse pitcher according to what?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
According to tRA, tRA+, FIP and K/BB.
tRA
Millwood: 5.26
Padilla: 5.45
tRA+
Millwood: 92
Padilla: 88
FIP
Millwood: 4.02
Padilla: 5.03
K/BB
Millwood: 2.55
Padilla: 1.95
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 5, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GDawg likes ERA and W-L record.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I judge by
how much a pitcher says they’re in the best shape of their lives. Millwood is going 20-0 this year.
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by t ball on Jan 5, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
It’s pretty much a proven fact that kickboxing takes two years to fully take effect on a pitcher’s beastliness.
’09 is gonna be the year when everything finally starts coming up Millwood.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a funny post
about those spring training best shape of my life cliches.
http://www.rotoauthority.com/2009/01/follow-up-sprin.html
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by t ball on Jan 5, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ST
You can probably hang onto Millwood or Padilla until ST. No need to rush out and trade one of them right after signing Sheets.
Also, how much of a concern is Sheets’ shoulder. I am starting to fall off of the bandwagon.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
by RangerMad on Jan 5, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put it this way
If Sheets’ shoulder condition was exactingly known, and he’s OK, there would be a crush of teams trying to sign him. If it’s an uncertainty, which I’d guess is the case, caution from everyone. If it’s bad news, no one wants to prepay his baseball final expenses. JD (as well as other GMs) either have to take a chance on him, or pass. If Maddux is correct, it’s worth the stall tactic to take that chance.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Jan 5, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
totally agree, ed
if he’s serious damaged goods or a serious risk, im just not sure the current financial market puts teams in a position to line up to grab him. too much risk
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 5, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sheets may be a bit of false hope
but the only real hope I see is inexpensive prospects that sheets signing for 2-3 years wouldnt effect so… chance it please.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
Do you trade Millwood or Padilla if you sign Sheets given that he might be damaged goods? If you say no, then why sign Sheets at all? If you sign him and he stays healthy but you don’t trade Millwood or Padilla, then I think you are wasting a rotation spot that is better served by a young pitcher that is your future.
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by RangerMad on Jan 5, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets say you don't trade anyone away
If sheets, millwood and padilla all stayed healthy i think the results would be good enough to warrant only two rotation spots for the young guys for one year with padilla and possibly millwoods contracts up to the rangers in 2010, when he really becomes pressure with prospects.
Right now I dont think feldman, nippert and such require consideration. you use them if you need to, but don’t make plans around them. BMac, Harrison and Hurley are who I care about and squeezing one of them out if all 3 guys stay healthy for at most 1 year or perhaps till the trade deadline isn’t that big of a block.
if the results weren’t good, you could probably get rid of one at the all star break.
plus, BMac, Harrison and Hurley are now all 3 major injury risks. Its not only the health of the veterans that could open spots, one of them could easily go down.
to sum it up: in 2010 with the guys we have now +feliz/holland, it would (as of todays perspective) be irresponsible to development to have 3 vets. I think 2009 could take it.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Said Shepp...
And I couldn’t agree more. If Sheets, Millwood, and Padilla all pitch like they are capable of, with our offense we are contenders in the West this year. If they don’t, trade either Millwood or Padilla at the deadline opening up a rotation spot for one of the young guys.
The only obstacle is adding the $15M for Sheets to this years payroll.
by Topgun22 on Jan 5, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isnt he?
Its the rep he had when we got him, no? And I think I remember something about him having some minor issues early this year. I can’t recall his exact injury history off the top of my head, maybe it isn’t as bad as I thought.
Regardless, that group of 6 potential starters is without a doubt a pretty injury prone group that would likely open up time for various starting candidates if its what we went into a season with.
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by DSheppard on Jan 6, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was shut down with shoulder soreness right before the trade to texas
Hes no kason gabbard but he has a couple red flags anyway. But no, i suppose hes not a major injury risk. Thankfully being a harrison 09 fan/supporter, this correction is welcome.
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by DSheppard on Jan 6, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had some problems last year
one was a foot thing like OC said which wasn’t a problem. There was something else too more arm related, but I can’t remember what specifically it was. I remember that that he didn’t have any problems though after a DL stint and that it wasn’t supposed to be a problem for him in the future.
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-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 6, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Sheets was healthy
he would have been long gone …… if he was healthy he would still be a Brewer.
I have nothing to say
by rldwb on Jan 5, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could argue just as convincingly that if he was unhealthy he'd have taken arb when offered.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or that they wouldn't have offered arb in the first place
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
happy for Bradley
that’s a great signing for the cubbies.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Jan 5, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler was on 105.3 earlier.
Interesting note, they asked him about the minors and he said he doesn’t pay any attention to it. Basically, until the prospects get to the big leagues and prove themselves he’s not worried about what’s going on in the minors.
Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!
by sprite on Jan 5, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Have I mentioned how much
I really like Ian Kinsler?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think......
that you are generally concerned with mentioning how much you hate JD, but I could be wrong
by CS3 on Jan 5, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate JD -
He’s just not very good at building a major league baseball team or hiring a major league manager.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on Jan 5, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not particularly interested
in you hating/liking him as a person. I guess I meant that you seem to focus on hating the job that he has done while GM
by CS3 on Jan 5, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Name the last time the Rays were good before this past season
And then tell me how they managed to start winning this year. Remember that they’ve had several #1 over-all draft picks in the past decade. Now, what did the Rays do that was different than what the Rangers are currently doing?
by hiafex on Jan 5, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Realized how important defense is?
by R.J. Anderson on Jan 5, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
I think defense is the reason they feel Teagarden is their catcher of the future and the reason they drafted and gave an mlb contract to Borbon. We haven’t seen the results on the field yet, but I think JD & Co get the importance of team defense.
by Randy Richardson on Jan 5, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Catcher defense... Meh.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of not caring about defense too much at a position
i really don’t care about the difference between metcalf and davis at third.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's silly.
Though not crazy, cause as bad as CD will be with the glove (and he’ll be MDB-level awful), his bat’d more than make up the difference between him and an uber-srcub like Metcalf.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
show me where the "meh"
comes from…not arguing, just want to see your angle.
Thanks dude.
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by Ryin A on Jan 5, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rangers could get their defense together in a hurry
Borbon in CF, flanked by good corner OFs hamilton and (maybe) Cruz.
Andrus at ss, MY at 3b…
Teagarden C.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Murphy, Cruz, and Boggs
As long as one of them is in a COF spot, we’ll have good defense from that OF spot.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz and Boggs, sure.
I’m not too crazy about Murphy, though.
He’s okay in LF from what I saw, but his arm makes me pretty uneasy about him being in RF.
And we all know about how his bat rates long term in a COF spot…
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by thedirkatron on Jan 5, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Going off of PMR and UZR
He is best at RF and is a good RF at that. Hardball Times has some stats on an OF arms. They don’t have 2008 up yet for Murphy though, but Murphy doesn’t exactly have an Ibanez arm from what I saw last year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah, I remember reading that Murphy was great in RF and shitty in LF last year by the stats, but the are some serious SSS concerns there, imo.
I readily admit my eye test is flawed, but, still… Murphy in RF flunks my eye test.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 6, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Murphy’s plus/minus numbers were quite out of whack (something like -10 in LF and +10 in RF or the like). I would hesitate to put a lot of stock in those individually.
by Joey Matschulat on Jan 6, 2009 1:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just thinking more on post ASB 2010 potential lineups
Offensive foundation of hamilton/kinsler/davis/smoak with other decent offensive players, strong defense at the most important positions with teagarden andrus and borbon who each have at least some offensive potential rather it be for average or power, no outright poor defensive players….
if we get just average end results from the pitching prospects (granted the rangers record is decidedly less than average) its hard to see this team not being competitive.
of course, im sure people have said that many times and just assuming smoak and davis will be cornerstone offensive players and such is asking for disappointment.
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by DSheppard on Jan 5, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you lurk here as often as you do at Lookout?
by oc on Jan 5, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I read BTB daily.
We should get together some time and make out.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 6, 2009 2:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Testing him out?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 6, 2009 2:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers do realize this
The only real issue they have on defense is Michael Young and there’s not much that can be done about that right now. The OF is filled with great defenders, 1B is fine, and I’m a believer that Kinsler is better than he is given credit for and will prove it this year. The importance of defense is also the reason we aren’t going to be seeing Davis play 3B this year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 5, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the third breakdown of the Rangers defense when all R.J. was doing was defending his domain.
by oc on Jan 5, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 6, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody loves the sound of their own voice.
by oc on Jan 6, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well its a message board
so I’m not sure how well I can hear my voice.
And how do you explain you responding to my posts?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 6, 2009 1:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll apologize for this nonsense when you admit defeat for your Lowe nonsense.
by oc on Jan 6, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What nonsense?
I don’t think a pitcher who will turn 36 this year is worth a 3 year deal at 15+ million dollars.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 6, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
…you mentioned how he was being just as efficient in his 3 years prior despite that not being anywhere near true. Use whatever pitching metric you would like.
I did.
tRA’s of 4 and under are efficient.
by oc on Jan 6, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been a good pitcher
who has benefited from a weak division in the NL and who will use last year to get a contract he won’t earn unless he stays in the NL. You would be paying 15 million dollars to a pitcher entering his late 30s to be an average-slightly above average pitcher according to a defensive-independent pitching metric. And given the recent Rangers track record of defense, they still have a little ways to go before they are going to have pitchers be better (or at least as good) as their peripherals suggest they should.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 6, 2009 2:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 6, 2009 3:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its a semi-interesting topic
nobody bashed the guy about it.
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by DSheppard on Jan 6, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
.......what issue?
He implied the rays improving their defense had something to do with their turnaround and some people commented on the rangers potential defensive improvement.
where are you finding a problem?
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by DSheppard on Jan 6, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great signing
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Jan 5, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of sad that I took one look at your new avatar photo and knew exactly who it was.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 6, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Martin Perez right?
Don’t see why that would be sad, you’re the one who does the CPP…
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 6, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, the kid has yet to throw a pitch in a full season league and is too young to legally buy a pack of Newports, and yet I can recognize him instantly from a quarter inch-by-quarter inch avatar photo.
The statement that makes about the level my Ranger fanaticism is a little bit sad.
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by thedirkatron on Jan 6, 2009 2:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I’d say it’s more insane than it is sad. But at least you’re enjoying your stay at the asylum.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 6, 2009 3:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to look at the enlarged profile pictor. But yeah, I know.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jan 6, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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