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kmshipley (austin, texas): Any thoughts where a guy like Bobby Abreu ends up? Solid obp guy, could Texas use him?
Will Carroll: Abreu's kind of the guy who surprises me and maybe the guy most hurt by the market. A one year deal doesn't really help him the way it might with Dunn. Texas? No, they have enough OF guys and why spend when you have Nelson Cruz?

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angry angry little man.

calm down o…

though abreu would put up huge numbers here i seriously doubt he’s in the cards unless we deal off part of our current OF cluster-[st]uck as a thrown in to a catcher deal… even then, doesn’t make much sense with the plan to maintain current payroll situation.

"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...

by ivysafety39 on Jan 7, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Nelson Cruz is the man

All the haters can suck it.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

word to ur mom!

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Jan 7, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree

yay.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

i think

it’s in that other thread that i accidently hijacked.

Mass X Acceleration = Force

by SteveP on Jan 7, 2009 5:22 PM CST reply actions  

Cowboys release Pacman

per espn

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

So that worked out pretty great.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jan 7, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

i cant believe he was so bad

it was supposed to be a lock he could at least be a good punt returner and he was terrible. the number of dropped footballs was insane.

didnt seem all that bad as a corner, but yeah he had to go.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

now ESPN says that 4 months after the make it rain incident, there is an allegation that he was behind another shooting at a night club.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Less thugs=Good.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 7, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

at least

he’ll always have TNA

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Jan 7, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

What did the trade

with the Titans end up as?

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Jan 7, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I think......

we gave up a 4th rounder for a 5th essentially

by CS3 on Jan 7, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Abreu's big problem is that he can no longer play the field.

He’s Kevin Reimer-awful out there.

Maybe he’d be okay at 1b, but more likely he’s a DH only at this point.

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

He hasn't been the same since that hr derby.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

you know why

that makes me cringe

Mass X Acceleration = Force

by SteveP on Jan 7, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I know.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Factually correct yet meaningless relative to the HR derby

the statistical evidence about the HR derby effect is non existent.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

You are incorrect

The only two people ever to record 20+ homers in a round are Abreu and Hamilton. So what statistical evidence are you looking at?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

So you've limited the sample size down to 2.

Come on.

Do you know how many players who didn’t compete in the HR derby had larger declines than Hamilton did? Dozens.
Hamilton’s ops dropped 45 points. Pat Burrell’s dropped 250. Did Kinsler secretly compete in the derby? He dropped way off before getting injured. Player’s don’t duplicate their first halfs. Some are better, some are worse. Of course some of the derby competitors will be worse.

Justin Morneau won the thing and his ops increased 70 points. I could break down dozens of the 1st-3rd place winners in the HR derby that shows a perfectly standard distribution of second half improvement and loss if I really have to, but let me ask this:

How on earth would one hour of physical exertion and some batting practice style swings actually hurt a player for the rest of the year, yet alone years as with abreu. Hamilton takes homerun swings in batting practice before every game.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I was just making an observation about one player

I don’t know why you want to debate that.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Because I think the HR Derby effect opinion should be eradicated from the earth.

This is a message board. People give thoughts on what others post. Stunning.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

dude

it’s tongue in cheek.

mostly, anyway.

Mass X Acceleration = Force

by SteveP on Jan 7, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I've seen it seriously suggested many many times

And I only made any kind of lengthy post when he said I was wrong..

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I said you were wrong about your supposed

statistical evidence about people that do that well in HR derbys in one round. You have no evidence.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Because you limited the one round to two players

For which no statistical argument can be made. Its 2 half seasons, you can’t take any kind of effect out of that. It can’t be proven it doesn’t happen, and 2 players certainly doesn’t prove it does.

Especially when one was actually nearly as good on the whole, and was very good in the immediate week after the HR derby. And the other’s first half was a fluky power burst.

And you declined to explain to me logically why it would have any long term effect.

So instead I noted that plenty of competitors have improved after, or non competitors have had large declines post all star, thus its silly to think there has to be a larger reason for bobby abreu to have declined other than the nature of baseball.

Not to mention my initial post was about the HR derby in general, I didnt say anything about one round.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

That's my point

the sample size is too small. So no legitimate statistical evidence exists.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

So why on earth are you suggesting the HR derby had an effect

Theres no evidence that Hamilton playing catcher wouldn’t make him hit 100 HRs.
Lets move him to catcher?

And again, trying to limit it to a sample size of 2 is stupid, thus why I increased the sample size to the rest of the HR derby competitors, which show no consistent decline post derby.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I just said I'm hoping the same thing doesn't happen

Chillax brotha

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

So dont say im wrong and string the argument along

jesus. its irritating. if you don’t have a counter opinion, take my post at face value and move along.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

only 2 people have done it

of course there is no evidence…but you said you had evidence on the contrary. And I don’t think you do.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

for the 3rd time

the initial post had nothing to do with 1 round of 20+ HRs, which you added later.

I simply said HR derby. and in the lack of available evidence I asked for any logical reasoning. there isn’t any.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course it does..

What do you think he and Abreu have in common in regard to the HR derby???

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Because common sense would tell you there is no reason to differentiate

between someone who hit 16 homeruns in the first round and someone who hit 25. 9 extra swings effects someone months later? really?

Well before hamilton added another 20+ to the derby there has been an argument about decline after the HR derby, I was reacting to that sentiment.

this is completely absurd and I wish I had the willpower to walk away from such nonsense.

ignore all the previous posts: do you think the homerun derby effects its competitors for the rest of the season and possibly beyond?

If your answer is yes, I’ve given plenty of logic and evidence as to why I disagree. Give a reply to that or go away.

If your answer is no and you simply wanted to say you hope Hamilton does well, then you shouldn’t have said I was wrong and should have stopped posting long ago.

There are no other options.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Go away?

That’s kind of mean. But it’s sad that Ican get in your head like this.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Its sad that you would try to.

I don’t have self control to stop these kind of arguments which I admit. But I can live with that, especially when I’m right in most of them.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

you arrogance is hilarious

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Quit it!

Both of you, por favor?

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 7, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Better than the alternative

which i dare not say.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

hey shep,

when do we get to see more ranger art?

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 7, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

you thought about printing posters

or sumpn?

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 7, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Large color prints are pretty expensive in small numbers

For recreation stuff like rangers I can’t afford to print more than I need.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

and for the record

These kind of arguments does not mean just any random argument about a player, I certainly know I’m not one of the more knowledgeable posters around here about the minor leagues and such.

I mean the brick wall, one sided, can’t follow a line of thought argument in which at a certain point “arrogance” is fairly inevitable.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you!

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

though

its good advice.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

PLease shepp

you know he was :)

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Jan 7, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I wanna argue about the effin' effect

of sliding on the tarp at Shea. Didn’t that put some player in a year long slump in OPS+?

I mean, I know the sample size was small, but the effect was readily apparent by blogger-peeps all over the Texas continent.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 7, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I was at that game!

So awesome..except that the actual game was rained out!

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

oh really?

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

suck is sheppy.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He's still a really really good hitter, though.

The dropoff has been in his fielding, which went from good to bad to horribly putrid on a level that makes puppies cry.

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

A thought

If Nelson Cruz does really well in the first half of 09, maybe not his AAA #’s, but 25-30 HR, 80-90 RBI pace, while batting .280 to .300, what do we do with him going forward?

All I’ve read is that Hamilton is going to be shifted to RF eventually for Borbon.

Do we flip him mid-season? Keep him but move him to LF? Would Murphy become trade bait?

Pressing questions.

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Jan 7, 2009 6:02 PM CST reply actions  

Why would we keep Murphy if Cruz gives us that production?

He’ll never approach those numbers, and he’s left-handed in a left-heavy lineup

by chief on Jan 7, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

How are we left heavy?

We have Davis and Hambone as long term left handers.

I know this year we also have Blalock, but that’s still only three.

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok Andy.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 7, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Cat is terrible and should play absolutely no role in our roster planning, and Vasquez... well, Vasquez plays for another team.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

So last Friday I’m at a bar. I take this guy home. He’s a little fat. Whatever, right? Plus, chubsters are so grateful, they usually try harder. Anyway, right in the middle of things, he’s sweating and grunting like a hairy rhino and I just start to hate myself. Really, really hate myself… So, without even thinking, I just head butt him right in the face. Bam. Clock him right between the eyes. Knock him out cold. So, that’s what I got. What you got going on?

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

true, good observation.

all the talk of needing a righty for the middle of the older makes it seem like all we have is lefties.

Long term smoak is likely a middle of the order bat too, I assume his right handed hitting isn’t a weakness (as it may be with salty’s switch hitting).

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

If Cruz does great we keep him

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Cruz...

the thought of him hitting .280 to.300 with 25-30 HR’s makes me feel warm inside.

by joshed on Jan 7, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep him

Hamilton-Borbon and a working out Cruz would be a very good both offensive and defensive OF. This appeals to me.

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by DShep on Jan 7, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Answers:

1. Keep him as our long term RF. He’s still got 6 years of team control left, so if he’s really turned the corner and is gonna be good, we control what should be all of his prime years. Yay for us.

2. Hamilton would be a beastly beast in LF. His speed and arm would make him a plus-plus defender in left, imo. I’d love to see him in LF and Borbon in CF. Good lord that’d be a good defensive OF.

3. No, why flip him mid season if he’s a guy who can help us the next five years after this one? Those are the seasons we’re supposed to be contending, no? We should want good players to be here those years, right?

4. Moving Cruz to LF might not be so bad. The arm would definitely play there and it’s not like he’s a total plodder. I wouldn’t hate that. Him in LF with Hamilton in RF or vice versa. Wouldn’t really matter to me, I suppose.

5. Murphy should already be trade bait. Or DFA bait. But I’m the board’s resident pessimist when it comes to the Mosquito, so take that opinion for what it’s worth.

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't think Murphy is the next Greer?

Good god man, next thing you’re gonna say Longoria rightfully won ROY over Murphy.

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Jan 7, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Naw, that was intentionally OTT. You could probably deal him for something. Some GM is prolly dumb enough to give you something for him. How is Jim Bowden doing on fringy OF'ers? I bet he could use one more... Make the call, JD.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

So last Friday I’m at a bar. I take this guy home. He’s a little fat. Whatever, right? Plus, chubsters are so grateful, they usually try harder. Anyway, right in the middle of things, he’s sweating and grunting like a hairy rhino and I just start to hate myself. Really, really hate myself… So, without even thinking, I just head butt him right in the face. Bam. Clock him right between the eyes. Knock him out cold. So, that’s what I got. What you got going on?

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with most of that

Hamilton and Cruz in the corners of the OF would be awesome, regardless of who is in LF and who is in RF.

I disagree with the Murphy part. I don’t know how many teams out there view Murphy highly enough to give us that good of a return on him. I was hoping the Rangers could work something out with Tampa Bay, but that didn’t happen and isn’t likely to happen anymore with the Jackson/Joyce trade. If Cruz, Hamilton, and Borbon is our OF for 2010-2012, Murphy makes a great 4th OF. The goal is to be in contention for the playoffs and more during those years so I think we’re going to need those types of role players rather than try to sell them off for whatever we can get.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 7, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Just visualizing

An ongoing order of Borbon, Young, Kinsler, Hamilton, Cruz, Davis, (DH), ©, Andrus. With good 4th-5th OF’ers and a good UTIL INF and a solid 2nd C. Given any decent pitching rotation and pen, the ole’ sarge in me says “I’d go to war with that ….”

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jan 8, 2009 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

he's that damn good

And the best part is I think its a pretty good bet that we have those role players. Murphy for 4th OF, Golson/Boggs for 5th OF, Duran/Vallejo for IF UTIL, and someone out of Teagarden, Ramirez, Salty, and Pina for the back-up catcher. Hell, Vallejo might be converted into a Figgins type utility player which gives us better roster flexibility.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 8, 2009 2:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, if that doesn't increase our trade leverage with Theo

Nothing will.

Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?

by LSJ on Jan 8, 2009 2:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Golson, Boggs, etc. can all be good 4th OF'ers by then.

Or you could find one off the scrap heap.

I don’t see how Murphy should fit into our long term plans.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

So last Friday I’m at a bar. I take this guy home. He’s a little fat. Whatever, right? Plus, chubsters are so grateful, they usually try harder. Anyway, right in the middle of things, he’s sweating and grunting like a hairy rhino and I just start to hate myself. Really, really hate myself… So, without even thinking, I just head butt him right in the face. Bam. Clock him right between the eyes. Knock him out cold. So, that’s what I got. What you got going on?

by thedirkatron on Jan 8, 2009 3:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Murphy's bat is much better than their's

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 8, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

What makes you say that?

Career Minor League lines:
Murphy: .273/.343/.407/.750

Boggs: .257/.366/.456/.822

Golson: .265/.310/.406/.716

Boggs has shown better discipline and better power than Murphy did. I see no reason to suspect he’d be worse than Murphy with the bat in The Show, at least not significantly so.

Golson I can see. His plate discipline is pretty horrendous, and that’s a hard thing to expect him to suddenly get a grasp of at this point, though who knows if maybe the change of scenery will jump start something in him. He’s a truly special athlete and he’s still only 22 so there’s hope. That said, you’re probably right Murphy’s a better bet to be better with the bat. But Golson is also a plussy defender capable of playing a true CF, whereas the Mosquito is a COF and nothing more.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

So last Friday I’m at a bar. I take this guy home. He’s a little fat. Whatever, right? Plus, chubsters are so grateful, they usually try harder. Anyway, right in the middle of things, he’s sweating and grunting like a hairy rhino and I just start to hate myself. Really, really hate myself… So, without even thinking, I just head butt him right in the face. Bam. Clock him right between the eyes. Knock him out cold. So, that’s what I got. What you got going on?

by thedirkatron on Jan 9, 2009 1:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Golson has a chance

but I’m not betting on him being more than a speedy defensive sub. He’s got the potential to be better, but its tough to say anything more than that.

I’m looking at what Murphy has done in over a full season’s worth of playing time in the Majors. You are ignoring that pretty big part of his track record and putting more weight on Boggs having a more successful minor league career. Boggs has the better chance of taking a walk, but I also worry about the strikeout totals he has put up in the minors and the extremely low BAs. I don’t like projecting guys with Dunn like lines in the minors to be able to do the same thing in the Majors.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 9, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not ignoring what Murphy has done in the bigs.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

So last Friday I’m at a bar. I take this guy home. He’s a little fat. Whatever, right? Plus, chubsters are so grateful, they usually try harder. Anyway, right in the middle of things, he’s sweating and grunting like a hairy rhino and I just start to hate myself. Really, really hate myself… So, without even thinking, I just head butt him right in the face. Bam. Clock him right between the eyes. Knock him out cold. So, that’s what I got. What you got going on?

by thedirkatron on Jan 9, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Then why would you think a guy with a 4th OF ceiling

won’t be much worse than a guy who has a career 113 OPS+?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 9, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Who only has a 4th OF ceiling?

The 40 Trumps All!!!

So last Friday I’m at a bar. I take this guy home. He’s a little fat. Whatever, right? Plus, chubsters are so grateful, they usually try harder. Anyway, right in the middle of things, he’s sweating and grunting like a hairy rhino and I just start to hate myself. Really, really hate myself… So, without even thinking, I just head butt him right in the face. Bam. Clock him right between the eyes. Knock him out cold. So, that’s what I got. What you got going on?

by thedirkatron on Jan 9, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Boggs

You disagree I take it?

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jan 9, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

No, not really.

But I think he and Murphy are a lot more alike as hitters going forward than you seem to think with your “Murphy’s bat is much better” comment.

I think if things break right they’re both ~.800 ops outfielders over the long haul, which is right about 4th OF territory.

I think Murphy is the safer bet, but I think Boggs is the better defender and has more ceiling with the bat.

Neither is someone we should be making plans around.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

So last Friday I’m at a bar. I take this guy home. He’s a little fat. Whatever, right? Plus, chubsters are so grateful, they usually try harder. Anyway, right in the middle of things, he’s sweating and grunting like a hairy rhino and I just start to hate myself. Really, really hate myself… So, without even thinking, I just head butt him right in the face. Bam. Clock him right between the eyes. Knock him out cold. So, that’s what I got. What you got going on?

by thedirkatron on Jan 10, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Cruz

If he is doing good at the ASB then I think you have to look inot the possibility of trading him. Whether it be straight up for someone or as part of a package. With his past and age I don’t think the return on a straight up would be of fair value. But with his anticipated performance and team control left he would be a very nice piece of a package for a really good player. I don’t know who we’d target but it could be someone very good. Including him may keep you from including a young pitcher or player with tremendous upside but whos a couple years away.

As for why I don’t think hes in our long term plans. Well for one in a couple years he is going to be in his early 30s which generally means he will start declining. So even though hes under team control he may not be good enough to keep. I could see him being non tendered in a couple years. And he doesn’t strike me as a very good LF candidate. Just doesn’t pass the eyeball test to me. He has a cannon of an arm but I don’t think, especially in TBiA he would make a very good LFer. And I don’t want hamilton over there either. So to me you have to trade Cruz when his value is at its highest. That could very well be right now although I think its probably ok to risk seeing what he can do in the regular season before pulling the trigger unless overwhelmed with an offer. if he falters then hes gone. DFAd and good riddance, thanks for teasing us for so long. If he has progressed then you entertain offers at the deadline and if you aren’t happy you wait until next winter. One full season in the bigs mashing the ball may not completely erase the last couple years from peoples memories but it will do alot to alleviate the concerns about him being a AAAA player.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Jan 8, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

My guess

Include him in a deadline deal for Roy Halladay.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 7, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

What is Halladay's contract status?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Were you serious about the Halladay thing?

or is that a joke?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Serious

Cruz, Kiker and N. Ramirez for Halladay.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 7, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow I would be down with that

especially if we could lock halladay down. Imagine a 2010 rotation of Halladay, Sheets, Feliz, Holland and _. That’s hot.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

recession, dude.

tom hicks is broke, remember?

it is sexy, but in a fantasy kinda way

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 7, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I know

Sorry…I got carried away!

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

That assumes that Cruz is the beast that is pre-supposed in the first post, and Kiker takes a big step forward in AA.

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 7, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

i was thinking about that while watching MLBTV

they had on JP doing a raindance swearing no1 is for sale. and it occurred to me. the rangers with their systemcould probably snag Halladay and not even lose much from the system

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Jan 7, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Ricciardi

Syays they aim to be a serious contender in 2010. Pitching and defense will make them a wildcard contender in 2010. They won’t be trading Halladay.

Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year

by RangerMad on Jan 7, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting

What pieces do you see going to the Jays for him?

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Jan 7, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a pretty insane guess.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

So last Friday I’m at a bar. I take this guy home. He’s a little fat. Whatever, right? Plus, chubsters are so grateful, they usually try harder. Anyway, right in the middle of things, he’s sweating and grunting like a hairy rhino and I just start to hate myself. Really, really hate myself… So, without even thinking, I just head butt him right in the face. Bam. Clock him right between the eyes. Knock him out cold. So, that’s what I got. What you got going on?

by thedirkatron on Jan 7, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Abreu ---- REALLY

At this point give me Bonds if its the Left Handed Hitter were looking for.
IN NO WAY DO I WANT BONDS but Abreu Ranger talk ???? Get real
God its slow in Ranger Offseason Land …… come on JD were all waiting for something anything. Give us something sign Josh Howard to a minor league deal ANYTHING

by camsdad on Jan 7, 2009 6:08 PM CST reply actions  

Cam's Dad:

That picture wouldn’t happen to be Cam’s sister would it?

by CS3 on Jan 7, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be

Cam’s lunch.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 7, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

ZING!!!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 7, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yessir!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 7, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Is anyone going to watch the Nuggets game tonight

just to hear Dicky V do NBA?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:23 PM CST reply actions  

That's not very nice

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I like him

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay I know

I got that when you said +1MM

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

what is Halladay's

contract status?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops wrong place.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I love Dicky V.

Just the thought of him being across the country from a Duke game vs. Stephen Curry is probably going to give him an aneurysm.

Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.

by Maximilian on Jan 7, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Rangers investigate Joe Crede

From http://hotstove.mlblogs.com:

The Rangers are investigating the possibility of signing third baseman Joe Crede.

Crede has been dealing with back issues over the past two seasons and the Rangers have been studying his medical reports. A one-year deal might appeal to them.

The Rangers right now are looking at a lineup that includes Chris Davis at first, Hank Blalock at designated hitter and Travis Metcalf at third. The Rangers could still move Blalock to first, Davis to third and look for another bat to help out at DH.

But the Rangers want to upgrade defensively at third base and that’s why they are not interested in Ty Wiggington.

— T.R. Sullivan

by Wemedge on Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions  

Investigate?

Will they indict him if they find anything?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Jan 7, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

If there is enough credence

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by inactive lsb user on Jan 7, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, Dude, Dude,

Looking Out My Back Door.

¿Qué

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Jan 8, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Peter Gammons today
I still think the Red Sox will trade for a catcher, whether it’s now or the 15th of March, and I don’t know what’s going to happen with Jason.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/01/gammonss_take.html

Take it for whatever.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST reply actions  

Jason Jennings

Per Troy Renck:

Former Rockies pitcher Jason Jennings, his last two seasons sabotaged by injuries, has drawn interest from the Rangers and Diamondbacks.

I assume he means as an NRI.

by Andy Seiler on Jan 7, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions  

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