Joe Crede Rumors...
It seems that Jon Daniels may be talking to Joe Crede about the Rangers 3B vacancy. No offer has been made, but the Rangers have looked over Crede's medical records. The fact that JD has seen the medical reports and maintains contact with Crede and his agent is encouraging.
T.R. Sullivan had this to say about it earlier this afternoon:
The Rangers are investigating the possibility of signing third baseman Joe Crede.
Crede has been dealing with back issues over the past two seasons and the Rangers have been studying his medical reports. A one-year deal might appeal to them.
The Rangers right now are looking at a lineup that includes Chris Davis at first, Hank Blalock at designated hitter and Travis Metcalf at third. The Rangers could still move Blalock to first, Davis to third and look for another bat to help out at DH.
But the Rangers want to upgrade defensively at third base and that's why they are not interested in Ty Wiggington.
I, personally, like the Rangers defensive mindset. It certainly would be a big help to the young pitchers to be able to rely on the infield to vacuum up whatever groundballs they coax. With an infield of Young, Kinsler, Davis and Metcalf/Duran, as it stands now, there is not much defensively there to be confidant in, even though MY just pulled down a Gold Glove. A Gold Glove-caliber 3B would be a great addition and bolster that confidence from the pitchers in the IF behind them. That alone seems worth a close look at Crede.
Crede has a good, but not great bat, and this lineup is not in need of another great bat. The lineup is lefty heavy and Crede's RH hitting would fit well in the 6th or 7th spot. His stats look good, but obviously the problem is staying on the field.
Batting Last 3 years Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS 2006 CWS 150 544 76 154 31 0 30 94 28 58 0 2 .283 .323 .506 .828 2007 CWS 47 167 13 36 5 0 4 22 10 24 0 1 .216 .258 .317 .576 2008 CWS 97 335 41 83 18 1 17 55 30 45 0 3 .248 .314 .460 .773 Career 798 2768 350 712 143 4 125 422 170 403 4 12 .257 .306 .447 .753
He has proven to be a great post season player, and by all accounts would be snatched up in a market like this if not for injury concerns. Joey Matschulat has a great article about 3B and Joe Crede here.
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If crede is good defensively
Hes semi-interesting given the assumed low price.
But not at the expense of sheets (if the rangers are even really still in it.. I don’t know if they’ve even made an offer).
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by DSheppard on Jan 7, 2009 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i vote for
sign crede to one year deal, and go all in for Sheets. I don’t see why you can’t do both. They are both going to be a bargain
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 7, 2009 6:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In this market
Crede will not sign for a deal that would take us out of the Sheets market. Money is sparse across the board. He will get a Hampton-esque 2M or less guaranteed.
by clark on Jan 7, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 7, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I think we should let Davis take over third. If Davis spent the whole offseason working on footwork and fielding groundballs from third then i think he would do just fine. The problem is there have been no reports saying that he’s doing this so it’s probably not going to happen.
by meatbonelefty on Jan 7, 2009 6:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"He has proven to be a great post season player"
well that settles it – bring him into Arlington!
Kidding aside, I remember when there were rumors of a Danks + Blalock for Crede + Garland deal, or something along those lines. Funny how things work out
by JBImaknee on Jan 7, 2009 6:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Crede and Garland
look to be bargains this year, and are really just role players. Garland will eat innings and that’s pretty much it, but of course that is more than what any of our current pitchers do.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 7, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garland at 200 ip
would be a “role player”? surely you misspoke…
by Goyogringo on Jan 7, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Garland makes 200 IP
he still would end up with a poor ERA. He’s like Jeff Suppan, just potentially cheaper.
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by Gdawg on Jan 7, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was just stating the obvious
if he is in the rotation he is not a 200 inning role player. A role player is koronka or rheinecker…
by Goyogringo on Jan 8, 2009 5:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its just different takes on the phrase
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by Gdawg on Jan 8, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was only lumping them both in the same category of player
they aren’t going to wow you or be your stars. they aren’t going to carry your team. They have important roles during a long season. Like Gdawg said, Garland would be alot like a suppan, back of the rotation guy. He would simply eat innings to help save your bullpen.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 8, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crede and Sheets
If I am not mistaken, they both have back problems, which are more chronic, making them both highly risky guys to acquire. On the flip side, by the end of the offseason both could end up being had on the (relative) cheap considering their upside. A healthy Crede is obviously a huge upgrade over our internal options, and a healthy Sheets becomes our ace. Injured players are the new OBP guys (undervalued by market) and the Rangers have been hit and miss with them of late, but the hits have been big ones (Gagne, Bradley, Eddie).
by clark on Jan 7, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think we should resign Kata
lol
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 7, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
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by Jayslick on Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Washington probably agrees
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 7, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the good thing about these injured guys
Is that worst case you have to play the options you were going to play if you didn’t sign them, and you lose some money. They probably won’t completely suck in the lineup/rotation all year and hurt your team like some lesser but healthy guy might.
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by DSheppard on Jan 7, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with a guy like Crede
is that his bat isn’t strong enough to help at DH, unlike Bradley, so his value really only comes if he is playing in the field. I am for signing Crede if it is, as I said above, a Hampton like deal with a minimal base salary and incentives. Even then I may be hesitant to give up a 40 spot to a guy in whom I have very little confidence.
by clark on Jan 7, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wigginton
Why not him? Better bat than Crede’s and less of an injury risk. We’d probably have to offer 2 years at least to land him, but if the intent was to have a stopgap guy for a year at 3B we could still just deal Wigginton at the deadline or after the season.
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by Rangerchick on Jan 7, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TR mentioned wigginton in the quoted article
The feeling is that if you are going to take a bad defender at 3b, it might as well be davis. But the rangers want a good defender.
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by DSheppard on Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this si my feeling exactly
is wigginton THAT much better than davis at 3b all things considered?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
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by knockoutking on Jan 7, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which ones have we missed on?
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by bigsteve on Jan 8, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know we don't "need" another bat
but the idea that is most appealing to me, at this point, is to convince Abreu to sign a one year deal in TX to try to set himself up next year in a softer market (he could be next year’s Ibanez, as he is actually younger) and to roll with Davis at 3B and Blalock at 1B.
Then if Metcalf or Duran surprise and play well, we could shift Davis to 1B and trade Blalock to a contender.
by clark on Jan 7, 2009 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate the hat tip
Granted, nobody really knows how much Crede’s actually demanding or what the state of his back really is (beyond the standard Boras propoganda), but if he’s halfway healthy he’s a substantial upgrade over Metcalf.
by Joey Matschulat on Jan 7, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is there any chance at all
that Blalock can get in a few games at third next year? I would enjoy seeing MaxRam’s bat in the lineup at least 100 times or so.
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by rodcarew on Jan 7, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How many do you want?
A few or 25-30? Unless a catcher gets hurt I don’t see Max coming up until Hank gets traded if at all.
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by bigsteve on Jan 8, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with rodcarew
I am not sure how certain it is that Blalock simply cannot play 3B anymore. Would he be 100% ineffective if he was at third? I have heard that he is nothing but a 1B and DH, and i know his rotator cuff is all torn up, but can he not play a little over there?
I do think that Max needs to spend a decent part of the year at AAA to work on his Defense, but if we have need for a big DH bat on the big club, he should be the first call up.
by lcspider4 on Jan 7, 2009 7:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crede..
He has a career OPS of .753. How much of an upgrade over Metcalf is that really? Metcalf is supposed to be solid defensively, and should put up an OPS in the .750 range.
by Topgun22 on Jan 7, 2009 7:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know his major league ops thus far is above that with a power spike
but he had a 670 ops in AAA last year and has had several such horrible offensive years. I think a .750 ops in the mlb is optimstic.
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by DSheppard on Jan 7, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Metcalf plays a full season
I will be utterly shocked if his OPS is above .700.
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by t ball on Jan 7, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Metcalf is not the answer
He is average defensively and far far far from a major league starter bat. Sure, our lineup is good enough to hide his inept hitting, but 3B could be a thorn in our side all year long.
by lcspider4 on Jan 7, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has always been regarded
as above ave or better defensively while in the minors. He was good defensively in 07 replacing blalock though inconsistent this year in his brief stint.
by Goyogringo on Jan 7, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Crede wouldn't be a bad deal....
But my guess is Metcalf starts off as the starting third baseman and his bat will lead to Duran getting most of the action at third base this season.
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by JukeboxJoe on Jan 7, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Giambi's New Contract
I wonder, would Giambi’s new contract have an effect on somebody else looking to take a one-year deal? It is awfully difficult to compare Giambi and Crede, but their Win Shares for the past five seasons are as follows (2004 to 2008):
Giambi – 8, 25, 25, 6, 16
Crede – 8, 14, 20, 3, 9
Odds are that Giambi will put up more Win Shares next season, and will get $4 million plus an option. Would this keep Crede’s contract under $5 million? I throw out $5 million because Boras usually demands top dollar, no matter who the player is. As much as I would like Crede at 3B, I find it hard to believe that Hicks would dish out $4 or $5 million without a trade of Blalock, something I would rather not see happen.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jan 7, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great Post as Usual ,Spider!
Obviously I think more highly of Metcalf and Duran’s potential in 2009, but I would let those two battle it out (you always have C. Davis as a fallback) at 3rd and use all the rest of your resources for pitching. Although, I’ll grant that Crede could be a good flip mid-season for more prospects if he was having a healthy, productive season for the Rangers in 2009.
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by COURT JESTER on Jan 8, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
From Jamey's Report
At least one local report indicates that Texas is considering third baseman
Joe Crede, who has been limited by back problems for a couple years. Pretty
good defensive player when he’s healthy, and he’s had a couple reasonably
productive years at the plate. (His game is actually not entirely different
from what Travis Metcalf’s projects to be, if everything breaks right.)
If by “everything breaks right,” I’m assuming that Jamey means that Metcalf’s arms and legs are broken off and replaced with more talented limbs.
by cstorm15 on Jan 8, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
+1
yea lol
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 8, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does everyone think Sheets is going to get now considering the market?
I had originally thought he would get a a 3/45 or 4/50, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him pull down a 3/30 or even 2/24.
With his age and fragile nature, he doesn’t appear like the type that would want to go sign a 1-year deal in anticipation of a better market next year because he could very well get hurt again and negate all of the good perception he’s built up.
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by willamos2 on Jan 8, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My best guess...
with the way things are going right now would be 2/25 with a team option for 15 mil.
A lot will depend on what Lowe finally signs for and I think Oliver Perez may even have to sign before Sheets does. Teams seem far more concerned with his health than I first thought they would.
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by slc ranger on Jan 8, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets may have to be flexible; He may have to take the risk, not the team.
I can see Sheets ultimately agreeing to a one-year $12mil. agreement as long as it had vesting options that rewarded him for being healthy. Something like 175+ innings in 2009 guarantees him $14mil. in 2010, while 200+ grants him another year @ $15mil.
by COURT JESTER on Jan 8, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind this...
Bring Crede in and rotate 3B… Crede plays 100, Davis plays 40 and Duran plays 22.
You have Crede at 3B, Davis at 1B and Blalock DH… Davis at 3B, Blalock at 1B and Crede DH… Duran at 3B and either Crede or Davis or Blalock get a day off.
Then if Davis continues improving at 3B you have a seemless transition to Davis at 3B, Smoak at 1B and Max Ram at DH in 2009.
How about Young becoming a super utility guy in 2009 and beyond instead of Duran. We know he can play SS and 2B, and assume he can play 3B. Would be a nice way to gently get Andrus into the mix in 2010 and keep Young’s bad and leadership in the lineup too.
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by pbpsean on Jan 8, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dear god
Young is not going to be a utility man in 2009. Not 09, not 2010, almost certainly 2011, and most likely not 2012.
Davis should play 162 games next year if healthy. And they should all be at 1B unless we have a ton of injuries to 3B and its an emergency.
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by bigsteve on Jan 8, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A little off topic
but would Xavier Nady make any sense for us? Good RH to have in the OF, plus he’s likely to fetch a draft pick after this season.
by blalock84 on Jan 8, 2009 5:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In a word, no.
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by Chase Irwin on Jan 8, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind having him, myself
He’s the type of RH hitter we could use right now. Problem is, I hear Cashman is intent on extracting maximum value for him and/or Swisher, which means we probably wouldn’t get him at a reasonable enough trade price.
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by lonestarJon on Jan 8, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Check his splits.
Brandon Boggs > Nady
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by Chase Irwin on Jan 8, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets
I think that he will want a multi year deal, because last year was about as injury free as Sheets comes. He cannot take the risk on getting hurt on a one year deal and looking at a cheaper one year deal next offseason. His agent is not Boras, I think he will take 2 or 3 years at 10 – 12 per.
I just hope that the Rangers dont wait around too long for him and later in the offseason, when the pitching market is thin we get in a 3 or 4 team race for Big Ben Sheets.
by lcspider4 on Jan 8, 2009 5:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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