OT - Cowboys release Pacman

wow

now ESPN says that 4 months after the make it rain incident, there is an allegation that he was behind another shooting at a night club.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 6:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 7, 2009 6:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

hahahahahahaha

by meatbonelefty on Jan 7, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, maybe they can find somebody who is ...

actually capable of fielding a punt cleanly and running north and south without coughing it up.

Good riddance.

by Athos on Jan 7, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I voted "no"

But I do not think its some earth shattering decision.

If your gonna release him fine, but PLEASE PLEASE don’t blame it on some lame ass “possible other violence?!?” bullshit excuse.

Just say you screwed the pooch and now you are moving on.

by SaltyGoesYard on Jan 7, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

so whats the real reason why they dropped him?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 7, 2009 7:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Because he sucks?

by Adam J. Morris on Jan 7, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

huh?

you can question his character or whatever

but his skill? really? that’s interesting…

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Jan 7, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you kidding?

Did you watch him? He completely sucks.

by brettgardner on Jan 7, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

whatever you say there chief.

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Jan 7, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand

Why you would have a contrary opinion on this. He made no plays on either defense or ST.

by brettgardner on Jan 7, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He made no plays?

0? I saw him make plays.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Im with you

He made a lot of plays.

I could give a shit about kick returning, nobody should hold that against him or anybody.

by SaltyGoesYard on Jan 7, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's really really dumb.

by brettgardner on Jan 7, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Glad I'm not the only one who thought so.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Jan 7, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't.

He was, at best, exceedingly average. But I think “average” is being generous.

by brettgardner on Jan 7, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You said he made 0 plays.

Did you mean that literally? I’m confused. Because his pass deflections prove otherwise. I don’t think he was good but he made some plays. And I don’t think he was cut because of his play on the field. I think he was cut because of his off the field issues and this new development about a second shooting.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And because he wasn't very good.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 7, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If he had no off-field issues

do you think he would more likely be a cowboy now?

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If he was very good

do you think he would more likely be a cowboy now?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 7, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NFL free agents

Is Nnamdi Asomugha really gonna be a free agent? and can we afford him?

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 7, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wow

i would rather have him than newman

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 8, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You seem to be forgetting who you are talking to

Nah, noob.

by Brian Thomas on Jan 8, 2009 8:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry bro

pacman sucks….decent on the field (field only), cancer in the house…equates to suck.

Freddie King rules faces.

by Ryin A on Jan 7, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

errr "defense only"

Freddie King rules faces.

by Ryin A on Jan 7, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he was absolutely terrible as a kick returner

and just ok as a corner.
it was arguable if he was worth the trouble when it was assumed he was a great kick returner and quality corner.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Jan 7, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

umm

until he got hurt statistically he was our best CB (granted newman was hurt, but still)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Jan 8, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you really believe that?

by brettgardner on Jan 8, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yep

people aren’t too objective when it comes to him. Even the main BTB bloggers know how valuable he was to this team, especially early in the season.

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Jan 8, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Because we don't need him anymore

We needed him the first half of last year when Newman got hurt and Jenkins/Stanback were green. The rookies have played well, and now we just don’t have a big need for Pacman right now.

by cstorm15 on Jan 7, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i doubt that was the reason

With Henry likely to move to safety and Newman as injury prone as he is, I doubt taht the reason was because we dont need him. Think about it this way, if Newman happens to go down yet again during training camp, your top 3 corners are Jenkins, Scanderick, and Ball. Talent? Yes. But do I want to run those three out there as my top 3 corners next year. Hell no.

In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home

by hinduplaya on Jan 7, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Last year we had incredible depth. Having Newman, Henry, Pacman, Jenkins, and Scandrick was a luxury. But going into last year, we didn’t know how Jenkins and Scandrick would develop. It was more important to add an experienced corner incase Jenkins and Scandrick didn’t develop. Now that we have Newman, Henry, Jenkins, and Scandrick, Pacman is expendible. Plus, the team should be able to find a fifth corner who can actually play special teams and can keep his nose clean. In short, Pacman is no longer worth the risk because he’s not an important part of the team.

As an aside, I doubt Henry moves to safety. He’s simply not a long term option at the position. He’ll start at corner until Jenkins takes the job from him for good.

by cstorm15 on Jan 7, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I completely agree

I think that Pacman was a depth move and an insurance option for the rookie CBs. But now he is much more expendable.

I do think that Henry has a future at Safety though. He is getting older, he is big, and maybe he is losing a step?

by lcspider4 on Jan 8, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Henry

Henry will be 33 next season and in the last year of his contract. How many years will Henry have left at safety, especially if he’s losing a step? I’m not sure it makes much sense to make Henry change positions, integrate him into the defensive gameplanning, and then let him go a year later.

by cstorm15 on Jan 8, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Will anyone care?

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Jan 7, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He’s still a serious talent, and nowhere near old.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jan 7, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Al Davis will probably give him another chance.

I swear, if he can ever get his head right, he could be a pretty good defender.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Jan 7, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cowboys Defensive Backfield 2009

As it stands now:
Newman CB
Henry CB
Williams SS
Hamlin FS

Average to above average.

But, since Williams has a huge cap figure, and Henry has seen some reps at Safety and is a huge cover upgrade over Roy, what would this look like?

Newman CB
Jenkins/ Scandrick CB
Henry SS
Hamlin FS

Maybe above average backfield depending on the quality of that 2nd corner (even though Jenkins came along slowly and got hurt, dont forget his 1st round talent).

Pacman could hurt as at CB due to lack of depth, but if we gain another quality DB to shore up the depth, then good good riddance.

Now lets get rid of T.O.

by lcspider4 on Jan 7, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Henry get's cut.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 7, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who's the SS?

by brettgardner on Jan 7, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Anthony Henry = Strong Safety

by lcspider4 on Jan 7, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

in that scenario

Hamlin would move to SS. Henry would be the FS.

Rankings, Profiles, '09 Rosters

by Goyogringo on Jan 7, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Darren Sharper is a free agent

Chris Gamble is as well, if Hamlin can play SS.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 7, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oshiomogho Atogwe

From St Louis, free agent as well.. he’s a real good player nobody knows about. Also a FS, though.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Jan 7, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Least important position is why.

"A ~.650 OPS from a COF should get you deported, not traded for."

- The Huntressatron

by Chase Irwin on Jan 7, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am ok with a couple of ballhawking FS

Even though we may give up a bit in run defense by not having a true SS and we may be a bit undersized at safety, I would gladly have that if we could put together a nice coverage team. I could be off base, but after watching the Linebacker Roy williams play coverage for 5 years, I may be out of the Safety loop

by lcspider4 on Jan 7, 2009 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I am disappointed in the LSB community

Anytime there is an option on a poll of " Jerry is a moron" it should be a runaway winner. I dont care if its a question about football, nuclear proliferation or women’s hygiene products. Thats always the right answer

by BEW on Jan 7, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs