BoSox adding Smoltz
by Haeger Champ on Jan 7, 2009 10:26 PM CST
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MLB.com's Mark Bowman reports it, I saw it on MLBTradeRumors. Well... it'll be interesting to see what this does to their rotation (and pitching depth).
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saw this too
i feel kinda sorry for the Os and Jays for the arms race going on in the East this winter.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 7, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ill be the first to mention he who shall not be named.
Bucholz please. How many pitchers do you need?
Granted, they need a rotation in 2010 too.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 7, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and smoltz is questionable returning from injury.
but im desperate =).
Anyway, as for the actual topic, I do think its a good gamble. The few innings he was able to pitch last year were good ones and the salary risk shouldn’t be that big of a deal to them.
Same goes for getting whats Baldelli.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 7, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
yea, baldelli is a good pitcher ;)
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 8, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i just noticed
ive been leaving the second H out of bucholz for.. ever.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 8, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
out of buchholz even.
see.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 8, 2009 12:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
impressive.
you just had an entire conversation with yourself…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Jan 8, 2009 2:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
If this site had an edit feature that would all be one post. It doesnt.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Jan 8, 2009 2:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just be glad this site doesn’t have a word filter imbeded. Over on SoSH if you type “Bucholz” it shows up in your post as “I am an idiot.”
Of course it does tend to get people to correct those mistakes…
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 8, 2009 6:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RA Thingey
eom
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 8, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's awesome.
Adam needs this feature, for no other reason than the sheer comic value.
by Athos on Jan 8, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
replace miles with?
boy blunder with?
heh
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 8, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another fun one we have is that any of the common misspellings of “Teixeira” all turned into “Angels/ Free agent/ Yankees first baseman who’s name I can’ t spell.”
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 8, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tex turns into Judas The next Don Mattingly
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 8, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam should just do that for random words
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 8, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
teh interwebs
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 8, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
Even though I don’t doubt I’d get nailed by it a time or two myself, this is a totally fucking awesome idea.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 8, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Check yo mail, foo.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 8, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Interesting move.
Gerald Laird: One Man, 5 Scoops.
by Maximilian on Jan 7, 2009 10:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now Theo will surely trade Fuckholz to us!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jan 7, 2009 10:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am honestly suprised
That it has taken this long for this nickname to emerge.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 8, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't claim to have made it up
somebody else did in another thread today. But I like it.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jan 8, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OC
is responsible
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jan 8, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Figures
That sounds like something he would come up with. Or pick up over on LL, anyway.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 8, 2009 12:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is mine.
And I am not looking forward to more of these rumors.
by oc on Jan 8, 2009 1:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm adopting it...but as you see, I gave you props.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Jan 8, 2009 2:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, congradulations on seizing the obvious then
And also, what rumors? I just recently found out you like to hang at LL, and thought it explains a lot about your demeanor, that’s all.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 8, 2009 2:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess you have yet to find out that I like to hang at Springfield Retirement Castle
by Telegraph on Jan 8, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Be nice to the boy!
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Jan 8, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how they don't trade buchholz
to us or someone else. You would hold back a prospect after hespent part of two seasons in the bigs. This sounds like something the rangers would do. Boston should give buchholz his shot or trade him.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 7, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the way see it they are just loading up on contingencies
wakefield is gonna be42/43. so will smoltz, who is coming off his bazillionth surgery and will also be in his early 40s. beckett isnt without his own injury concerns. daisuke’s obscene walk rates are lurking to deliver him a bad year. buchholz has hit some growing pains and apparently has make-up/character concerns. bowden has exactly 1 ML start to his credit.
Sure most teams would kill for their starting pitching options but aside from lester there isnt a guy on there without some concerns. I think this team feels like they know they are going to the postseason and want to take every precaution to ensure that if a few things go wrong they have a backup plan in place that till keep them from missing a beat.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 7, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
when u look at their rotation, they are all aging with the exception of lester, so it could be wise to keep their young guys. At the same time, do they want to go through growing pains with a young starter or fill a big need at catcher.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 7, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well they can't keep these guys in the minors forever
Their rotation is pretty well set for the next couple of years.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 8, 2009 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what the Sox do to maintain pitching depth. Last year we had similar $ spent on Schilling and Bartolo Colon. It didn’t make Lester expendable coming into last year, and it doesn’t make Buchholz expendable this year.
He could still be traded, but If he is I think he’s “reserved” for a young, middle of the order hitter (I’m starting to wonder about Miggy Cabrera, who could become too expensive in Detroit, especially with that city’s economic base). If Theo thought Texas had enough on the table to land Buchholz, the deal would be done already.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 8, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
miguel cabrera? for clay buchholtz? are you KIDDING me?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 8, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not straight up, but as the basis/centerpiece of a package.
I figured that most everyone was familiar with the Heyman piece about the Sox offer for Hanley, and that deal started with Buchholz + Ellsbury, so that you the line of thinking would be clear enough that I wouldn’t have to spell everything out. So let me try again:
The Red Sox are probably trying to acquire young, elite hitting talent, and they feel that Clay Buchholz is their best trade chip in this regard. Such a trade (hypothetical as it may be) would not be a straight up trade, but a deal of several young players/ prospects for a young, established star. It would probably be difficult for them to do this if they moved Buchholz for lesser talent.
With the Tigers being based in Detroit, where the entire economy (and likely the Tigers attendance) being hit by the problems with the auto industry, a large contract like Miggy might be one that an ownership that is already cutting payroll and forsees revenues falling, might be willing to move for young talent.
Is that clear?
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 8, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were clear the first time.
"I see their [Angels] rotation as John Lackey and a bunch of decent starters." - AJM
by tricer on Jan 8, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where would you play Cabrera. That would be an issue
And from everything I heard, the Hanley talks lasted about 20 seconds, mainly involving a click and a dial tone.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 8, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am assuming a Cabrera trade with involve a Lowell trade to match. So is Boston looking for a deal like Chris Davis and Salty for Buchholz and Lowell plus cash? If so, good luck trying to find someone to do that kind of deal. I don’t believe all the owners are so worried about the economy to significantly cut salary without getting more back.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jan 8, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with = will
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jan 8, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you came across like you thought you meant it straight up
and since we have had some…interesting…fans of other teams throw out some…interesting…trade proposals i was thinking you meant straight up lol
my bad
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 8, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh
buchholz has hit some growing pains and apparently has make-up/character concerns.
link?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 8, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm i wanna say i saw it on here
or maybe a red sox blog, i think within the last week or so. not even sure what the original source was and i dont even think i read the article.
maybe someone who pays better attention remembers
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Jan 8, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he stole like 100 laptops with a buddy the summer he was drafted
is dating a penthouse pet.
might be signs of a jackass/dumbass/my new haircut guyesque
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Jan 8, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is dating (or formerly dating) a Penthouse pet a sign of make-up/ character concerns? I think his new girlfriend is some sort of reality TV model or somethng; does that show him making adjustments and improving, or sinking lower?
In all seriousness, though, he did look like he showed less than stellar make up after his first month of the 2008 season. At one point he was so rattled on the mound he kept throwing the ball to 1B because he just didn’t want to throw it home. That was kind of drastic, but he did start losing his composure easily when something went wrong.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 8, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To the contrary
the Red Sox and Yankees seem to have learned that really good pitching prospects are the ideal rotation depth. You can’t hide veterans in the minors, and in this day and age you really can’t hide more than one in the bullpen. Guys like Hughes and Buchholz and Bowden are perfect because you are free to move them up and down freely. Keep a guy in AAA for three months if necessary, then when an opening comes, stick him in there.
by Brett Perryman on Jan 7, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
the flexibility the young pitchers can provide. I’m just not a big proponent of sending a young guy back and forth from the majors to the minors. In the case of a masterson, he’ll likely be in the pen and be able to spot start.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 7, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For a big budget team,
that’s just ideal, they can sign anyone they way, broken down or not, and then plug in guys who on some teams would be counted on to be 3rd or 4th starters.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 7, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
possible red sox rotation
lester
Beckett (my old baseball card guide)
Matsuzaka
Wakefield
Penny
Smoltz
(younger possibilities)
Buchholz
Masterson
Bowden
I could see why they wouldn’t want to trade buch but I think they can easily trade him and still sign another starter to give them even more depth.
Btw…they are also close to signing baldelli.
Furthermore, it was stated that the red sox would rather have the draft picks instead of resigning Tek. Of course, I don’t know who else would be in the market for an aging C that can’t hit or play defense.
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 7, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Face
When MY’s deal expires (whenever that happens), if, for some miracle, he’s a Type A, would you offer him arbitration? Would you rather have the picks or Face back?
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
by chrisR on Jan 8, 2009 3:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's a type A, you have to try and get the picks
Because if he’s somehow a type A, he’s still liable to go try and sign elsewhere.
As to wanting him back, that would depend upon how he’s performing and what the teams situation (and depth) at 3B is in 2014. The way things are looking right now however, he won’t be a type A, nor would I want him back.
Did Jon Daniels downsize your old position at Dunking Donuts?
by lonestarJon on Jan 8, 2009 3:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"The way things are looking right now however, he won’t be a type A"
Whats your proof Jon?
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Jan 8, 2009 4:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Young will not be a type A
Look at his last couple of years and extrapolate how he will be performing when his contract is up. I think it is pretty reasonable to say that there is little chance he will be a type A.
by Houston27 on Jan 8, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was one of the best offensive SS in the AL last year
As bad as people think his season was we could have had much much worse. I don’t know if he will or won’t be a type A in 5 years. To speculate is kinda crazy right now. But he isn’t so bad that you can definitively rule it out. FAs are grouped by category. I know SS and 2B are in one together and possibly 3B but im not 100% on that. If all he does is duplicate last year in the last two years before free agency it will be close.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jan 8, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We speculate all the time
If Young duplicates last year in the last two years of his contract, then yes, it will be close. I don’t think that will happen.
He has been on a decline since ‘05, and last year was his worst year since his first full season. I don’t think many would argue that he will be performing at last year’s level (which wasn’t great) for the duration of his contract.
As a fan I hope you are right.
by Houston27 on Jan 8, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My personal preference is
to see Young finish his career as a Ranger.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 8, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with about 3 rings
from 2010 through the end of his contract.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Jan 8, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant move
Reports are out that Smoltz is already throwing all five of his pitches in his bullpens and is already up over 90 with his fastball. Don’t know what the Braves were thinking. Smoltz is the one guy you make an exception for. He is the one guy you have to keep. Behind Hank Aaron, he is the greatest Brave ever.
I don’t know about many of you but I still like Tampa and Boston in the AL East. It will be really fun to watch, though.
"We live, we die, and the wheels on the bus go round and round." - Tony Romo
by kentbenfer on Jan 8, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mathews and Spahn might disagree with you
by jparks77 on Jan 8, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux and Chipper as well.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Jan 8, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, or Sid Bream
Wait 'til the year after next
by NothinG on Jan 9, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Maddux and Spahn were pretty good… lets not get to Smoltz happy. (Smoltz vs Chipper is a lot closer)
That said, Smoltz is one of the better Braves from the past decade or so. It is kind of weird that they let him get away. Like the Padres with Hoffman – you would almost think the hit with the fan base would be such that you just pony up the money for a guy who is still effective.
by JBImaknee on Jan 8, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its like farve, you would think they would do whatever they could and pay any amt to keep him
hmmm
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 9, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
who intervened with the Rangers New Threads post and deleted it?
Don't bring opinions to a fact check debate.
by sunlegend54 on Jan 8, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Liar, Lunatic, or Lord?
Bobby Jindal '12
by dstar442005 on Jan 8, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my guess: SBN
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Jan 9, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say Buchholz will be necessarily trade bait now...
but I’d feel safe in saying one or more of Buchholz, Materson, Bard will be now. And I doubt it’s with us since Theo will try to milk someone while JD is trying the same. No match there unless one of them concedes and gives up the better value.
by slimshadty12 on Jan 8, 2009 4:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think there’s anyone out there for Theo to “milk.” His options for a C are pretty much Texas and AZ. The thing is that JD is running Texas and AZ is being run by… Josh Byrnes, who used to work for Theo.
I think instead of “milking” it’s a matter of finding common ground. The Sox FO has a set value on the players, and they won’t overpay. They have some catchers they can go into the season with and they will do that if they can’t find a trading partner who matches up.
That said, I don’t get how Masterson is untradeable, and the idea that Bowden is now unmoveable as well boggles my mind.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Jan 8, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks more and more like nothing will happen
unless a third team is involved. If the Red Sox aren’t budging on giving up Buchholz, then there is no deal. The Rangers have had no interest in Bowden apparently multiple times and I don’t understand the Masterson love fest at all, he won’t get any deal clsoe to done. So it looks like Boston will have to settle for whatever scrub catchers they have.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Jan 8, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and with the East so close
Having an inferior backstop like Zaun sucking the life out of rallies in Fenway will not play. I think Spring Training brings the wakeup call to Boston’s FO and they become more flexible.
I have heard it offered on this site that Daniels has the upperhand in the negotiations, because even though it may hinder our guys developmentally somewhat, we can keep our catchers, stay around .500 against a weak AL West, and meet expectations that we will be ready to compete in ’10. (Daniels own assessment) The Red Sox are in a different ballpark expectations wise (sorry, poor pun). Also, they are in a tougher division to win and the wicked older step-brother has been doing whatever it takes to win.
This plays into Daniels hand, and I think he realizes this. he’s playing it exactly right.
by jrams33 on Jan 8, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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