Monday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 9:56 AM CDT
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Evan Grant is doing a series grading the Rangers, by position, and starts off with the catchers. He gives the catchers as a whole a C-, a grade that seems rather generous, to me, given how bad the offense from the catchers was this year.
Also, I'll be rooting for the Yankees to beat the Angels in the ALCS.
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Is it safe to say
that this is the most important Winter offseason for at least one of the 3 catchers (Salty, Max, and Teagarden)? Maybe not Salty because of the surgery and Max because of his age, but I have to think that this winter has to be huge for Teagarden
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't this winter be huge for Salty because of his injury?
Him getting his arm healthy again is basically him keeping his catching career alive.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 13, 2009 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Yankees!!!!!
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Go A-Rod!
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Oct 12, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bitch Tits!
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 12, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hate the Angels, I mean REALLY hate them
but it can’t hold a candle to the tools in pinstripes. Go Angels! Shit, my head just exploded all over my monitor.
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by Parman on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I look at them celebrating their win vs
Minnesota and say “WTF. Why are you celebrating?” They haven’t accomplished anything they are not suppose to have done.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 12, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I don't know that I'll ever root for the Yankees
unless their winning means the Rangers gain ground in a pennant race. Go Angels. I’d rather our division beat the shit out of the East even if it isn’t the Rangers there.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
The only way I would ever root for the Yankees is if their win directly effected the Rangers postseason situation, such as making the Wild Card spot.
Yankees evil >>> Angels evil
by Mark from OC on Oct 12, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go NL...problem solved
I can’t cheer for either the Skanks or the Hello’s
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Oct 12, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say I was going to CHEER for the Angels ha
I just ain’t rooting for no stinkin Yankees.
Go AWAY Yankees
Far, far away
by Mark from OC on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong to wish the stadium to be hit by a small comet during game 1?
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 12, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similar to my wish
voiced yesterday in the NFL thread.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 12, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
those catcher grades are a little generous. I’d go…
Salty – D : He did improve his defense.
TT – D – : Defense seemed to drop and hitting still isn’t there.
Pudge – B – : Decent pickup. He performed alright and it was good to see him in a Rangers uniform again.
Richardson – A+ : For his wife, of course.
MaxRam – D : I’ll give him the benefit of he doubt with the injuries, but a very disappointing year.
Overall Catcher Grade – D
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 12, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Salty posted a .661 OPS and gets a D and Pudge posts a .667 OPS
as a Ranger and gets a B? What’s a C grade, a .664 OPS?
by twinkilling on Oct 12, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Yankees!
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Catchers
a D for me, and only that high because the defense seemed decent, by and large. I’d love for Max to get healthy and hit his ass off in spring training just to make the other two sweat a bit.
It seems incredible that we know little more about the long term potential of these three than we did two years ago. All of the time missed due to injury for each of them, the playing time roller coaster, and mostly inconsistent performances, it’s almost a worst case scenario for anyone trying to make a decision.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can't see catchers
being given a C- when after this year, its pretty clear they cannot continue next year with SalTea as their combo. Honestly, if a decent catcher becomes available on a reasonable short term contract, the team needs to think hard about it.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there are other positions
I would rather throw the money at then catcher.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 12, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
let’s wait til next offseason and sign VMart or Mauer to long term deals….lol. They’ll be a Red Sox and Yankee most likely and I will hate the evil empires even more.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer finishes his career as a Twin.
He’s from Minnesota and has lead his hometown team to the playoffs. I don’t see him wanting to go somewhere else, and I don’t see Minnesota wanting to let him go somewhere else.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then the Twins had better start speding some money
not only on Mauer but on role players so that someone like Nick Punto doesn’t have to carry them in the playoffs.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which ones?
1B? OF? CF? DH?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this team...
needs a high OBP bat before anything right now.
Whether it be a 1B, DH, or OFer.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 12, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn shame
that the Rangers weren’t talking to the Indians at midseason. They ended up dealing a lot of the pieces that really made sense for the Rangers, including a fairly high obp catcher/dh
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I can tell
the needs for This Thing are exactly what their needs were at this past trade deadline….when most in here were applauding JD for doing nothing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the VMart non-trade is the one that stands out
What would the Rangers had to give up to make a deal like Boston’s?
by other_shoe on Oct 12, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kazmir went relatively cheap to the Angels as well.
Nick Johnson went for a song to the Marlins.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Kazmir went relatively cheap to the Angels as well.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 12, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he also immediately got hurt
Which was the huge red flag on him from the get go
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez
Probably Hunter, Font, and Beavan or Poveda, maybe.
Although that probably wouldn’t have been enough.
John Sickels said Hagadone + Masterson > Font + Hunter.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He overrates Masterson
Masterson sucks, he’s a middle reliever.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Let’s say Hunter, Font and Poveda or Beavan is enough to get Victor Martinez.
Should the Rangers have made that trade at the deadline?
Would that deal have been enough to get the Rangers into the playoffs?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if getting VMart would have
been enough to get us in the playoffs but simply hoping the obp would improve without doing anything was a very failed strategy.
The acquisition of VMart was certainly a major factor in getting the Red Sox to the playoffs and guess what? He comes back in 2010.
Meanwhile JD is still trying to figure what the hell he’s going to do to fix that crap he built last year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't you the one applauding Nolan for keeping JD from trading our good young prospects
just a week or so ago?
And yet you are now bitching about JD not making the trade for VMart?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the one who has applauded Nolan
for several things including not letting JD make any more dumbass trades a la Danks for Ichabod, AG/CYoung for 4 bags of shit, Soriano for another bag of shit.
I’ve been bitching about this team not having a good obp since it was clear Milton Bradley was not coming back.
That bitching was amplified when the obp was .318 or so when we were trailing Boston by a couple of games at the trade deadline.
AL teams with obp’s below .320 don’t make the playoffs.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But its gonna take those good young prospects to get a VMart in midseason
Personally I wouldn’t have given up what it would have taken to get VMart this July. He wouldn’t have guaranteed us a playoff spot and in fact if it would have cost us a guy like Hunter would have hurt our roster by taking one of our best pitchers away.
So if you want to get a guy like VMart its gonna take young prospects. But im sure you would have found a way to praise Nolan and bitch about JD had we made the trade because we probably still wouldn’t have made the playoffs.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what's the solution to fixing the obp this
off-season? Fire Rudy J and hope some more?
Or are they going after a hitter who is similar to VMart and then what will that cost?
It would have been smarter to go get somebody like VMart when you know you’re in a pennant race.
As MYoung said, winning should not be assumed and This Thing could go any direction next year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its your flawed logic that im pointing out
Nolan is praised for keeping JD from trading away top prospects.
JD is bitched about for not addressing the teams issues which would mean trading top prospects
As for what I would do I would first expect some guys BA to increase next year which I feel is the root of the problems with this team. Low BAs have a trickle down effect. Taking a walk is only good if the guy behind you can move you along or drive you in. On this team we had far too many guys with sub .260 averages and so my theory is guys went up thinking that if they didn’t do the job of moving the guy along or driving them in that guy behind them wasn’t going to either. And it snowballed from there.
People point to Bradleys OBP that left but we also lost his .321 average. Just looking at some guys quick numbers Salty dropped 20 points, Davis dropped almost 50 points, Kinsler dropped over 60 points, Hamilton dropped almost 40 points, Cruz (small sample size alert) dropped 70 points.
All thats just BA. So whereas last year Hamilton could go up and know that if he got on base Bradley behind him could drive him in or get a basehit this year that wasn’t the case and so you start pressing. People on here assume I hate walks which is not the case, I just don’t just as much emphasis on them as others. Major league pitchers are not going to walk a ton of guys on a regular basis. And walks don’t drive in runs very often. You got to be able to put the ball in play and get basehits and when that area drops off like it did for us this year you are going to have problems.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall...
…you using this same argument last offseason, saying that the run prevention wasn’t going to get any better because all we were doing to fix run prevention was to hope and hope is not a strategy, and plus it would probably be made worse because the situation at shortstop was going to be an epic failure on a grand scale.
To be fair, you weren’t alone…a lot of us who argued that run prevention would improve because of defensive upgrades, internal improvements among the pitching staff and regression to the mean were ridiculed as Pollyannas.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They didn't hope they would get better.
Nolan Ryan implemented massive change into the way things had been done when JD was in charge and they got religion on defense as well.
Bringing up Tiny E and moving MYoung to 3B was much different way to roll than in 2008.
Bringing in your overpaid fat-ass “Ace” and insisting (not suggesting) he come back in much better shape was something else different that had not been done in the past.
JD pissed himself (big shock) at this past trade deadline and simply hoping This Thing will get better next year, as we saw from August 1-end of season, is not a strategy.
Little Boy Donuts can’t hide any longer. He has to do something this off-season to help the major league club win.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’m sure if JD does do something this off-season to help the major-league club win, you’ll find a way to give all the credit to Nolan anyway. And if the pitching gets worse in 2009, that’ll somehow be JD’s fault as well.
JD did plenty to help the 2009 team win. He acquired Andrus, Borbon, Feliz, Hunter, Cruz, Byrd, O’Day, Murphy, and Nippert, all of whom played an important part in getting This Thing to 87 wins.
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Oct 12, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did JD do at the 2008 trade deadline?
What did JD do at last year’s Winter Meetings?
What did JD do at the 2009 trade deadline?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did JD do at the 2007 trade deadline?
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Oct 12, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And besides
Nolan’s been JD’s boss the last two years, so why is he letting him fuck up so badly?
If my boss kept me on despite years of sub-par performances, wouldn’t that tell you my boss is a dumbass, or just didn’t care?
Seems like Nolan’s falling down on the job.
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Oct 12, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
Nolan Ryan implemented massive change into the way things had been done when JD was in charge
No, he didn’t.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he did.
Coaches were fired, conditioning was emphasized more than ever and they finally got serious about fixing their defense.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
Coaches were fired, conditioning was emphasized more than ever and they finally got serious about fixing their defense.
So Elvis being at shortstop, MY moving to third, Salty being made to work on his defense, Ian Kinsler playing up to his potential defensively, having solid defensive COFs out there all season…
That was the result of Nolan implementing massive change?
(I’m ignoring the rest because I don’t think conditioning had anything to do with anything, and because I don’t believe that coaches being fired had a huge impact on this year’s won/loss record).
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
give a damn if you don’t think coaching or conditioning made a difference. What they were doing in the past (under JD’s reign of incompetence) wasn’t working.
Something happened (they got religion on defense) with This Thing defensively before 2009 that didn’t exist from October 2005 thru Opening Day 2009.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
There was improvement in 2009, and thus, it must be because of Nolan’s changes.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell are you arguing?
You said on the podcast what a good thing it was for JD to have Nolan here.
The positive results on the field and in the standings speak for themselves and are not coincidental.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing to have Ryan here
does not equal every good thing that happens is solely because of Ryan. Ryan is good mostly because he’s a buffer between Daniels and Hicks, who you’ve acknowledged as the team’s biggest problem over the last decade.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hicks hiring JD was a big problem
and his actions as GM were prime reasons This Thing sucked it between the lines until this year and exactly why we saw a drop of nearly 600,000 fans in attendance within 3 years of his getting the keys to the car.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he gets credit for the jump in attendance this year then right?
Because it was the team he put together that was the reason people started coming back out to the ballpark. Or is that all Nolans doing also?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see JD involved with anything
having to do with the marketing of This Thing?
They hide that stupid sonofabitch.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you read Chucks response on the other thread?
If not I will be happy to repost it here
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
X
Adam is right. I guess you could say I work on the fringes of the marketing department.
Now keep in mind I have been here for 27 years, when the Rangers have had increases in attendance, I have never heard anyone in the Rangers Marketing Department take credit for any increase in attendance. Never happened.
Signing Nolan Ryan, building a new ballpark and winning 3 division titles are what worked best to increase our attendance. This year, it wasn’t scoreboards or commercials, it was a ballclub winning 87 games. Now there were a couple of good ideas like $10 tickets and $5 parking for fireworks Fridays that worked, but overall….it was team that played well that made the difference at the gate and in the television ratings.
If you recall, long about the first week of September when things got a little more serious, "Built For Fun" went away….when went to "It’s September, This Is What We Play For"……..basic highlight driven spots, similar to the Angels "Fan Strong" ad campaign that I watched all year and Ian made reference to on his radio show.
Don’t expect another year of Disney-esque Rangers ads.
I have suggested to management that they take an approach more like the Angels….Not my call, but that is what I suggested….I have given them examples of what the Angels do during their games.
When I met with Nolan Ryan the first week he was the President….I told him that this was a sleeping giant…that we needed to win something…..play some ALCS games in our ballpark…..we need to give our area a WOW! game in our ballpark…a game, or series where the fans go WOW! look what the Rangers did. A WOW! game that gets us closer to a World Series in our ballpark
But no, nobody over here his jumping up and down and popping champagne…..we are happy that our ballclub made an improvement on the field and that will translate into more fans being excited about the 2010 season.
But again, I have never seen any Rangers Marketing Department celebrating an increase in attendance. The times I have seen the marketing department get excited is a big free agent signing, announcement of a new ballpark, etc.
Thanks
Chuck
any questions or comments send along to cmorgan@texasrangers.com
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the big OBP problem this year was Catcher, and the Davis/Blalock combo.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replacing Hunter with whom in the rotation?
So we close one hole and open another. Not a great choice.
I can see the strategy of planning for one of the three young catchers to pan out, as a risky but acceptable option at the beginning of last season. At this point, not so much.
by other_shoe on Oct 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Hunter for VMartinez could have easily been avoided.
Masterson is nowhere near as good as Hunter.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they would also have had to been able to pay their salaries...
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey
lives in a dream world where Monoply money is as good as real U.S. Currency.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 12, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monopoly
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 12, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VMart
Just a thought, but would it have been a lock that this team could afford to pick up his 7mm option next year? Sounds weird to say given that it’s relatively cheap, but all that noise about the lack of available funds was really prominent at the deadline. Given the cheap option, the Indians were asking for a bigger package and the Rangers probably weren’t willing to pay it knowing that they might not be able to exercise it.
by LiamP on Oct 12, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team had no money, was up for sale with no inkling of future budgeting
Prolly best to keep the powder dry, as much as some hate that idea.
Although, if the sale does take place by Jan 1 as Selig wants it to, this team will spend heavily, just given the tax advantages inherent in new ownership. The problem then becomes “Who is still available on the FA market?”
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 12, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a failed strategy all the way.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, having no money
is usually bad.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Normally, having no money isn't a "strategy" in the first place
Let alone a “failed strategy.”
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 12, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doing nothing or "keeping your powder dry"
and hoping the team would improve internally was a failed strategy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It improved internally in a massive and dramatic fashion
To ignore the improvement is failed logic.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 12, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But only
because Nolan Ryan went back in time and made the parents of Elvis, Feliz, Hunter, etc. conceive babies and make them play baseball growing up. It also helped when Ryan blackmailed the Mets into leaving O’Day exposed on waivers and then casually slipped a print out of that day’s transactions onto Daniels desk.
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by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need
bullpen help (i’d like to see two signings, but 1 needs to be a lefty — either Grabow or Gonzalez), backup IF, DH
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by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be pissed
if we waste much free agent money on a relief pitcher. There is probably no position that so consistently generates such crappy return on investment. The reason most pitchers are relievers is that they are too damn inconsistent to be starters.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what would you give
to a Gonzalez or Grabow?
My main issue is the DH and the depth in our bullpen that is lacking, especially since Wash doesn’t trust anyone new in his pen anyway. Guys in-house get called up, and don’t get into a game for a week and a half. Then they don’t pitch well, and Wash thinks “see, this is why i don’t trust them.” We need to get more arms in here. I don’t think you give a guy 10M, but why not 5M or so?
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by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because its
generally 5M pissed down a hole.
If only we had Juan Cruz last year.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the more arms the better
our bullpen is not deep enough as is. we have too many question marks. sure a player can get hurt or suck, but you do the best job of evaluating a player and make a move accordingly. Every signing is a risk. Can we count on FX2 being as good as he was this year, or CJ or ODay. Like you have said, relievers can be volatile, that’s why I think you need as many arms as you can get. You don’t go crazy, but I think it is a need. I’m not exactly going to count on Warner Madrigal to shore up any holes or injuries in our current pen.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the history of reliever FAs says that if you sign one coming off a good year, he is due for a bad year.
I don’t think you do any better giving them $5 million than you do signing them off the waiver wire.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A righthanded hitting 1B/OF
A utility IF. I like Omar but the Rangers need someone to fill in ~20 games for Kinsler and MY each. Or nobody at all. Why not save the money and use it next year for the one player that is a difference maker.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 games for MY and Kinsler each?
NO. Micheal Young plays 162 games a year if healthy. Kinsler should play 155+ games a year if healthy. And frankly Elvis, in his second year in the majors, should play 140+ games next year if healthy.
I think our utility guy should be more able to play 1B than anything else.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MY is not getting any younger
and he had his first significant injury this past year. The legs are the first to go. Let him DH some but he needs to have ~20 games off from playing the field. As for Kinsler, both Wash and Ian said his prolonged slump was partially due to him being tired. I don’t think he is someone that can handle playing 155+ games a year either physically or mentally.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Micheal Young is not going to take 20 days at DH
He wants to play everyday and so you play him everyday in the field.
Im not sold on Kinsler being able to stay healthy yet but my point is our utility guy should be able to play 1B more than a MIF type guy.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many UT IF
can play both SS and 1B at an acceptable level? I also said we need a RHB 1B/OF.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have a 4 man bench
and you need 1 guy who can play 2B/SS, 1 guy who can catch, 1 guy who can play OF, and maybe 1 pure bat. Hopefully the 2B/SS guy can cover 3B, and just about anyone can play 1B.
I think you are insane if you don’t have a backup plan SS/2B/3B.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am all for a backup plan
But I don’t think that backup guy needs to be able or looked forward to playing 60+ games (20 at each of 2B/SS/3B).
If we can’t sign Omar I would be perfectly happy with Arias as our UTIF.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arias?
Please. there are going to be 5 better NRIs than Arias.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK fine
I was strictly looking at internal candidates
Point being if next year our UTIF plays more than 30 games then we have alot of issues and probably aren’t in contention to begin with
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im fine with him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arias?
That would be awesome. We could have the first utility infielder who needs a relay man to make throws from shortstop to first base.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How sad it is
The Yankees used to be my 2nd favorite team when I was a kid, mainly because of Donnie Baseball and my little league team was the Yanks. I haven’t been able to root for the Yankees for some time now. I have grown to hate them. Saying that, there is no team right now that I dislike more than the Angels, and I don’t care who they are facing, I want to see them lose. No…actually, I want to see them humiliated and ashamed at their worthlessness. I do not root for anybody in the ALCS. I root against the Angels. May God have mercy on their souls.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will watch
when I’m home, but I won’t root for either team. I’ll watch purely because it is my duty as a diehard baseball fan.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
#1 reason to root for the Yankess
I sure as fuck don’t want to here “Defending World Series Champs LA Angels” every time we play them next year.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OMFG -- that just made me sick to my stomach
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by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't do it...
I can’t cheer for the Yanks.
The way I see it, if the Halos win perhaps that will get the Rangers even more respect next year when they win the AL West.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if they win the WS
they are more likely to sign some of their key FAs that I’d like to see them let go, but the Angels have a high payroll and most likely will at least sign Abreau back….sigh.
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by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw that
and screw the Angels.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't explain this,
but I started pulling for the Angels the second I turned the game on. My pleasure was unbounded during the Papelbon melt down.
by mcgee48c on Oct 12, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
root for the yankees?
You sick sick bastards.
by SaltyGoesYard on Oct 12, 2009 10:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Best outcome I can think of
is Yankees winning, and then the Dodgers beating them in the world series on multiple miscues by Jeter, with Joe Torre smiling in the Dodger Dugout.
Either that or an 18 wheeler crossing the median and crushing the Angels bus.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
screw the Yankees and screw Joe Torre
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw the Angels
even harder.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the difference is the Angels would show their resiliency and bounce back
I hate that the Angels beat the Rangers, but I respect the fact that they did it by playing good baseball after suffering a number of setbacks throughout the year. The Yankees just went out and signed a bunch of big named guys put them together in a lineup and said go pitch or go hit. Not much resilience or skill in that.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A real team
would have had a team wide river dance ready to celebrate Papelbon’s demise yesterday.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would have been legend---wait for it---
ary!
Let's do this for Nick Adenhart, Courtney Stewart, and Henry Pearson.
by AlanFalcon on Oct 13, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the Rangers make the Playoff's...
We need to remember the importance of those little depth-adding moves like: Padilla, Pavano, Thome, etc.
We will never have the Cash supported depth of the Yankees-Sox.
I just wanted say it.
by 3Bagger on Oct 12, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The most disappointing thing to me
at the trade deadline were the quotes that Daniels apparently wasn’t talking to the Indians at all, despite the fact that they had the best fits for this team.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or that we didn't put a claim on Kazmir
not just to possibly getting him, but to at least block Boston and Anaheim from getting him. Cliff Lee didn’t take the phills top couple prospects to get. Of course, by all accounts, people we asking more from the Rangers than what was deserving.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we'll ever know
what it would have cost the Rangers, because apparently JD and Shapiro weren’t even talking.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to “hope” that 2009 finances complicated everything. Otherwise, I get frustrated by 2009’s lack of moves. (So, I blame Hicks).
by 3Bagger on Oct 12, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depth-adding moves
are often very good things. Sadly, whenever JD makes one (i.e., Andruw Jones), people run around in circles screaming that the sky is falling and that the team will be ruined for all of eternity.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is depth and then there is quality depth
AJ was not quality depth and he showed it throughout the season, yet he was always our cleanup hitter when he played. That made no damn sense whatsoever. We need quality guys. I don’t think people were going crazy that Vizquel was signed.
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by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vizquel
iirc, everyone was ecstatic about that move. Personally, with Jones I wasnt moved either way. I was hoping that maybe Rudy could get him hitting again and he did for a month or so. The funny thing is that Jones didnt hit that well throughout the season but he did exhibit a willingness to take walks which is something a few other guys could have used.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Oct 12, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jones not hitting
was more a result of him letting himself go and having a bad knee than anything that Rudy was trying to get him to do. I would wager that Jones’ bat speed at the beginning of the season was much faster than his bat speed at the end.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is just my perception
but it seems there have actually been more posts complaining about the complaining in regards to Jones.
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by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Facebook feed
was full of wailing and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments yesterday from my Boston fan friends.
I LOL’d.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
by lisa w on Oct 12, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boston Fans
It was amazing to watch them stand-up in anticipation of victory, then sit back down, then stand up again.
One thing I give the Angels credit for? They were down to 2 outs, 2 strikes, and started a 3-run rally against Papel-bone. It was a very impressive stretch.
by 3Bagger on Oct 12, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the Yankees victory helps the Rangers...
This is what I think…
1. The Angels will have to pay more for their players.
2. It’s hard to repeat (without a $200 million payroll).
3. Winning actually builds pressure. Look at the Red Sox.
4. The Angels win makes the AL West more respectable.
5. Root for the Yankkees? Are you F-N nuts? Not this kid! No way!
4.
by 3Bagger on Oct 12, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuck
The Motherfucking Yankees
Go Halos!
by icouldusesomebaseball on Oct 12, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I guess I am going to be in the minority and root for NY
I can’t stand CA, the Halos in general and Rev in particular.
Maybe I find it much easier to root for NY knowing that steinbrenner is slowly dieing and I have no jealousy to see him go with one more WS ring. Add to it as another way to piss off my Boston friends, and I am just stuck with the NYY,
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Oct 12, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless you have only been an MF Yankee your entire life
or are rooting for them strategically (when they were playing the Angels during the regular season) I don’t see how anybody can cheer for them with a clear conscience.
I admire what the Angels organization, especially their front office has done over the past 8 years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 12, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from the dodgers fan on the ranger's board that is rich.
It is easy to root for the Yankees. The have the advantage in history, in exposure, and in talent. I would prefer to root for my hometown team, but if you are going to force me to root for some else, it is easily the Yankees. Between spending time in my youth on both coasts and listening to the T-shirt nature of most fans, I have no sympathy for any teams fans.
I have never understood the hate the Yankees get. In a lot of ways, it boils down to envy.
The real question I have is if people hate the Yankees so much because they “bought” championships how do you explain the 32 WS appearances prior to the media revenue explosion of the 70’s?
To much is made about the Yankee’s fiscal resources without taking into account that their franchise as a whole has done everything they can to earn it. If I have invested in over a 100 year span and tried my hardest to increase the viability of my business, I would expect a significant return in both the overall visability of my operation and the quality of my revenue streams.
Is that fair to the other teams in baseball? Probably not. But then again, life is not fair. You have to earn your respect, it is not given to you.
People forget that the Yankees where the first to start a cable specific sport network or the they have been the leaders in internet broadcasting. They built their revenue streams. It is up to the rest of baseball to match them. Wanting to penalize a team for being well run for a 100 years sounds a little petty.
Would you be complaining if the Dodgers where in this position? Or the Rangers? I wouldn’t. Exploit the advantages you have. That is the nature of life.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Oct 12, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can hate the Yankees because
They’ve paid exorbitant amounts of money for free agents and have driven up the price of all free agents over the years.
They automatically get more media coverage than any other team in the country.
Any player that is a Yankee is automatically considered better than any other comparable player on another team, because he’s a “Yankee” and gets all the support of the hype the media brings to bear.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can also hate them because
I have to hear about every single thing Derek Jeter does
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of
The spousal unit was surprised this weekend when I told him Jeets’ “record” for hits was a franchise record, not an all-time.
He said from the media coverage he thought it was an all-time record.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
by lisa w on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as it seems unlikely at this point
I would love little more than for Jeter to not make it to 3000 hits.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Driving up the price of all free agents
Why does that matter?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes it harder for smaller market teams
to re-sign their players or compete for free agents. Right now if you look at the past couple of years, any time one of the best players around becomes a free agent, it’s really only 3 or 4 teams that can even be considered to sign them.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
That’s an issue to be addressed via revenue-sharing, I think.
Reducing the amount all teams pay on players just means more money in the owners’ pockets, and less money in the players’.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that might be what it means
but earlier on it also meant accelerating the rates at which teams’ ticket prices increased.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it didn't
Salaries are driven by revenues, not the other way around.
Owners are going to charge as much as they think they can. That’s basic economics. Reducing salaries wouldn’t mean lower ticket prices…that would assume that the owners aren’t trying to make as much money as possible.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that reducing salaries
won’t mean lower ticket prices. That ship has sailed. But I do think that the dramatic increase in player salaries has lead to a quicker increase in ticket prices than would have otherwise occurred.
by MikeEl on Oct 12, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
…I think you have it backwards.
Owners raise ticket prices because they believe that is what the market will bear, and they spend more on player salaries because people are willing to pay more for tickets (and because they get a bunch in TV revenues).
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 12, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come on
you really think billionaire businessmen no more about economics and pricing than bloggers?
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by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much rather the money
go into the players who I pay to see pockets, and to douchebags like Jeffrey Loria or Tom Hicks who haven’t done shit to make the game better.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and = than?
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by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I really wish these boards had some editing, because when I reread any of my posts, I see grammar/spelling errors in an alarmingly high percentage of them.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I read your posts
I imagine Ed Crankshaft typing.
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by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Crankshaft the comics curmudgeon?
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
by BigGuns on Oct 12, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. funny
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by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it was Joyce who said of the Yankees,
“They are a team of exhausted whoredom.”
by jcAustin on Oct 12, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then at that point hate the media
not the team.
What makes the NYY so successful is what drives you crazy. They have been and always will be on the forefront on how the media is used. They did with the print media, radio, tv, and now with cable and the internet. You have to applaud that. That is just maximizing the return on your resources.
I don’t blame them for exploiting the revenue streams. I more fault the other owners for not doing it as well.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Oct 12, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too am rooting for the yankees.
And if the dodgers make the WS I’d want the Yankees to beat them too.
I still hold out hope colorado will make it through but thats highly doubtful.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Oct 12, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping...
aliens kidnap both teams (plus the Red Sox) necessitating the Twins representing the AL in the WS. Barring that, I can’t bring myself to root for an East Coast team nor a hated division rival. So all I care is that the Dodgers (or the Rockies) win the Series this year.
by rodinuk on Oct 12, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Spankees?
You can bet the Angels will beat the Spankees. The Spankees won’t know what hit them.
by BrianC6234 on Oct 12, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably behind on this but it was good to hear...
bkmhoxx (KC): Im trying to figure out some of the lesser known shortstops that i havent been able to see in person. Who has the higher ceiling (and im not talkin about light hitting defensive specialists)? Zach Cozart. Jharmidy Dejesus, Miguel Rojas, Jurickson Profar, Starlin Castro or Hector Guevara.
Kevin Goldstein: On that list? Castro and Profar stand out a bit. Profar really blew a lot of people away, even the Rangers, during the instructional league.
by ramjam36 on Oct 12, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven't watched an ALDS game yet..
..go Rockies!
by WesM on Oct 12, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
AAAA baseball is boring.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night's game was pretty good
but it’s more that I can’t bring myself to root for any of the AL teams. Maybe if Detroit had won instead of Minn..
by WesM on Oct 12, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
It kind of is, but other than the Twins, I hate all the other ALDS teams, so we’ve been watching NLDS.
I admit I am rooting for the Rockies though.
"I think I'm going to name my new car Scooter, because it dominates on the road." - mikeyoungfuturehof, 9.10.09
"I’ve been a Rangers fan all my life and I can tell you there’s been plenty of fucking crying in baseball…" - WhipSmart, 6.3.08
by lisa w on Oct 12, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Yankees
and go whatever NL team wins!
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
While I completely understand hating that the Angels won ...
Can we not enjoy that at least the RED SOX lost?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
by northtexan95 on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where, where?
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Oct 12, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over there.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 12, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There, there.
And now, we’ve come full circle.
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by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You people that are rooting for the Yankees
in any context are………incorrect. I will never…..ever……root for the Yankees, even if they’re playing Satan. Go Satan.
by jcAustin on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Satan was a fallen Angel right?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to legend, yes
However, like superstars fallen from any other team, the MFNYY made him a deal with a bigger contract. He presently plays SS for them.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Milton
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 12, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One reason not to want the MFNYY
to win is that I don’t want the RBiA to be 3/4 full of Yankee bandwagon fans next year when they visit Arlington. 1/2 full is bad enough.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
How much did the cathers help the Ranger pitching in 2009?
I believe they did significantly. Improved defense by the catchers and improved pitch calling definitely effected the Rangers staff, the question is by how much. Yes, no catcher’s offense was worth anything, but if they can improve the pitching as well as they did this year again in 2010 then I have no problem with Saltalamacchia starting and one of the others currently within the organization as his backup.
by Mark from OC on Oct 12, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey AJM
When are you/we going to have the off season prediction thread wrap up? After the WS?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sort of OT
I saw this ghey image over at HH.
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
by txranger7 on Oct 12, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
some creative cropping would make for an interesting facial …. ummm expression :)
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Oct 12, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turning Japanese
I really think so. That song means something just a bit different in today’s internet age…
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by t ball on Oct 12, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From reading all of this, I guess i'm all alone
I’m so heartbroken over this year’s season and the Rangers not making it in that I can’t even watch baseball right now. Every year me and my pops have 2 traditions: we go to at least 1 Ranger game AND we go to the Fair. Well, we hit the Fair this past weekend, but we were reserving our trip to the park for a Ranger playoff game. By the time it was apparent that they were on the outside looking in, neither one of us could get the time off from work to shoehorn the Arlington trip into our schedules. It’s gonna take a while to heal….
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on Oct 12, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I could have told you that waiting till the playoffs wasn't a great bet
Come on you have to go to at least one regular season game if you live close enough. =)
But yes the rangers falling out of it had me not wanting to watch or post about baseball for a while. Just depressing to have to go a whole full year before they can take another shot at actually getting in.
Though for me that was more the last 2 weeks of the rangers season though. I’ve been watching quite a bit of the AL playoffs..
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Oct 12, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't really bring myself to root for the Yankees
so as much as i dislike the Angels i would root for them over the Yanks, but this year i will be pulling for a national league team, Rocks, Phils or Dodgers any of them over the Yanks or Angels i would love.
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
by TRFAN on Oct 12, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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