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Ian Kinsler -- Stay or Go?

Texas Rangers' Ian Kinsler, left, and Elvis Andrus celebrate after the Rangers beat the Cleveland Indians 10-0 in a baseball game, Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009, in Cleveland. (AP Photo/Tony Dejak)

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2 months ago: Texas Rangers' Ian Kinsler, left, and Elvis Andrus celebrate after the Rangers beat the Cleveland Indians 10-0 in a baseball game, Wednesday, Sept. 9, 2009, in Cleveland. (AP Photo/Tony Dejak)

Ian Kinsler has become something of a lightning rod for criticism among Rangers fans, in part because of his offensive struggles for much of the season, in part because of comments made to the media.

Which has made me curious...would your preference be to see Ian Kinsler come back next season, or for Kinsler to be moved this offseason?

Cast your vote...

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What do you want to see happen with Ian Kinsler vis-a-vis the Rangers next year?
Stay
865 votes
Go
110 votes

975 votes | Poll has closed

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There's about 10 guys I'd rather see go before Kinsler

He’s too good and too cheap to throw away after one “sub-par” season. If 30/30 is the worst we can expect from him, this is just silly to even talk about.

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by willamos2 on Oct 13, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Alright

who voted for him to go? I’d like to hear their reason(s) why.

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by Escher on Oct 13, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stupid

It would be pretty stupid to cast Kinsler off right now. If you look around the MLB and see all the hot garbage other teams are rolling out at 2B, you would have to get a huge haul back to even consider moving him. It better fix your SP and your offense in my opinion.

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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 13, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If LSB votes that Kinsler should go

Ranger fans are dumber than anybody else out there and deserve another 10 years of incompetence from Tom Hicks.

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by Josey Wales on Oct 13, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will agree with this gentleman.

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by Ryin A on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to know you don't include yourself as a Ranger fan.

I seriously doubt wants to see him go much like Cruz. I cannot believe Cruz is the subject of any trade conversations.

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by Parman on Oct 13, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This came out of no where...

I can’t imagine support for this by anyone in the universe

by BuckyB on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agree

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by JustinH89 on Oct 13, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HEY IM NOT IN THIS POLL

THIS IS A STUPID POLL. FUCK YOU.

heh ;)

by cmkelly29 on Oct 13, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you delete your posts?

I am guessing they got heated?

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And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Oct 13, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

This is even a question?

by bdavison94 on Oct 13, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OT. Salty still sucks

link

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 13, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Wash vote for Suzuki

for a gold glove? ‘Cause he’s the 34th best defensive catcher according to that list.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Oct 13, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats not so bad.

Certainly not “have to move him off catcher” bad. Now if only he would hit like we thought..

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Oct 13, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off the wall poll...

Who would you replace him with?

I am for him staying but could also see him returning a large haul if traded for a number of reasons.

by Bigfan16 on Oct 13, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TL Top 20 is out

Smoak at #2

Smoak is another of the league’s top prospects who was gone before everyone got a good look at him, earning a promotion to Triple-A and then playing in the IBAF World Cup. He ended up taking MVP honors at the event, hitting nine home runs with 22 RBIs in 14 games as Team USA won the gold medal.

A complete hitter who should hit for both average and power, Smoak shows a great deal of confidence at the plate. He’s patient and shows a good approach and pitch recognition. Smoak has Gold Glove potential at first base but is a below-average runner who never will be an asset on the bases.

Kiker at #11

11. Kasey Kiker, lhp, Frisco (Rangers)
Age: 21. B-T: L-L. Ht.: 5-10. Wt. 170. Drafted: Rangers ’06 (1).
Kiker spent the whole season in Double-A at age 21, leading TL starters in strikeouts per nine innings (8.5) while finishing second in opponent average (.219). He still lacked some consistency but impressed managers with his toughness.

At his best, Kiker works with a sharp 90-93 mph fastball, though he pitched more at 88-90 later in the year. He posted a 9.47 ERA in August, then struggled with his command pitching for Team USA in the World Cup, walking 14 in 13 innings. Kiker’s changeup is a legitimate plus pitch, and he flashes an average curveball. Managers also liked his willingness to work inside.

Skeptics see Kiker as an undersized lefty who will end up in the bullpen. He has issues with his angle to the plate, so he sometimes leaves the ball up in the zone. He’s developing better touch and feel, however, and is such a strong competitor that he should continue to improve.

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by laxtonto on Oct 13, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Smoak...

Your opening day 1B?

by Bigfan16 on Oct 13, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

he’s not ready. He needs to prove he can handle AAA junk ballers offspeed stuff and hit it for power.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 13, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Does that mean another chance for Davis at 1B ?

by Bigfan16 on Oct 13, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Oct 13, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am ok with that

but I hope he works on his hitting a bunch this off season.

by Bigfan16 on Oct 13, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And also hit from the right side.

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by lonestarJon on Oct 13, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

needs a lot more work on off speed stuff. Right now he is still a dead red fastball guy.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Oct 13, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's mine

You’re gonna need to have the DH situation + CD situation figured out by opening day.

by Agreen07 on Oct 13, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why do you need to have the CD situation figured out by opening day

there isn’t much stock that should be held in ST—no matter how good or bad someone does. CD is the starting 1B and Smoak needs to taste some success in AAA.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because if Smoak starts in AAA

and CD is our 1B, who is going to play DH?

by Agreen07 on Oct 13, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully we find

a good FA or Trade for a big bat. This offense could definitely use the addition of another bat.

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by DJCahill on Oct 13, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A one year player

needing to establish some value.

Honestly, I could almost see Josey’s pet cat there. I really could see Nick Johnson having to take a one year and put up over 130 games again before someone gives him a multiyear deal.

Beyond that Thome for one year wouldn’t be the worst option either.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Oct 13, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I’d be fine with either. I’d even be fine with MBradley if Chicago eats most of the contract. I know he isn’t a 1B, but I don’t think there is a high risk that one of MBrad, Murphy, Cruz, or Hamilton won’t be adequate defensively at 1B.

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by DJCahill on Oct 13, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either Hamilton

or we sign somebody. I would prefer to sign someone or trade fore someone rather than have Hamilton DH. Murphy could then go to being the 4th OFer who can play every position although CF would be tougher, he could get by for a few games.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's say we sign someone...

what happens when we call up Smoak? Davis moves to DH and what happens to that FA DH?

by Agreen07 on Oct 13, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That depends on the situation

we are in mid season. Contending and looking to buy or out of it and looking to sell. combined with how well the players are playing at the time.

Long term I see Smoak at 1B. Davis could be a fill in, a nice trade chip, or take 1B and make us ask who is Smoak? If he just rocks next year.

A DH on a short term contract could be a nnice chip if he is performing well and the team is out of contention.

Like I said originally it all depends on the situation at the time.

by Bigfan16 on Oct 13, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All depends on who that DH is

Are we talking Andruw Jones quality? If so, no thanks.

by Agreen07 on Oct 13, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree there

we need an impact bat

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is Max-Ram done?

if healthy, he’d have a shot, no?

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by Walter Sobchak on Oct 13, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt to start the season

He would have to have the spring training of all spring trainings to make the opening day squad IMO

He needs to show something above AA for me to start believing in him.

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by bigsteve on Oct 13, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's been in the minors for what, 7 years now?

I think it’s time he shows or goes

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Oct 13, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhm...

…no, I’d like to keep an All-Star second baseman, thank you.

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by ghtd36 on Oct 13, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Better poll would have been if the Rangers should have gotten rid of Padilla

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by WyoRanger on Oct 13, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really

He had to go

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Oct 13, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

and he sucked when he was here.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

and that will remain true no matter what the fuck he does in the future. If he wins 300 games and 5 Cy Youngs it was still the right move at that time.

Even if he wasn’t causing such dissension in the clubhouse, he wasn’t exactly pitching like Walter Johnson. The club didn’t lose a thing getting rid of Padilla a few months early.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Oct 13, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I think the quote Adam posted from Buster Olney the other day makes a lot of sense. I’m not a big believer in clubhouse chemistry, but the guy put the entire team in enough dangerous situations that he did not belong here anymore, and for whatever reason, that attitude hasn’t emerged in the NL.

by jwiscarson on Oct 13, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it actually helped him

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Oct 13, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Kinsler...

… just keep him at 5 or 6 in the lineup and Borbon and Andrus 1 & 2.

Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!

by pbpsean on Oct 13, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm a big critic of kinslers this year

since he was reluctant to change his uppercut swing and still reluctant to even recognize it. the guy is one of the top talents in baseball, yet he took a terrible approach at the plate this year for a few more HRs. I think we are harder on Kinsler because we have higher expectations. If he doesn’t improve his approach next year, then perhaps Kinsler will be destined to be the next Hank F

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but in no way do I think we trade Kinsler

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he changed it this year

and yes, i know how hard it is to change your swing. He doesn’t have to do a complete overhaul. We want him to go level through the zone. That is all.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who the fuck goes "level" through the zone?

Kinsler always had an uppercut swing.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 13, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good hitters

go level through the zone. it’s like what they corrected with Davis. Getting a straighter path to the ball. Do I really have to explain this?? Kinsler may have been a pull hitter, but his uppercut swing got waaaay more pronounced this year.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree it is more pronounced...

and the proofs in the pop ups pudding!

HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?

by BigGuns on Oct 13, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler could use some adjustments

but let’s not use Davis as an example.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Oct 13, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who in baseball could go without a few adjustments?

Pujols, Mauer…is that about it?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Oct 13, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because he is a douche and needs to stop griping about the fans

doesn’t mean they should trade him

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by Dirk Diggler on Oct 13, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Should I eat a meatball sub for lunch or just go hungry?

I know sometimes meatball subs draw some criticism for not tasting super awesome by some people who have probably never eaten a meatball sub, so I could just say “screw it” for lunch and starve myself. What do you think?

by FuturePants on Oct 13, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Odd Poll

I never thought this was even remotely considered by anyone.

by geetar85 on Oct 13, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i would like to know those 26 or so people

who voted go and hear why.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

31

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It hasn't been

This was just a poll put up by AJM to prove his point that people should quit bitching about Ian calling out the fans or otherwise being a “douche.”

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Oct 13, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT -- Heyman on the sale of the Rangers
Gilbert wouldn’t make big changes to Rangers front office

Prospective Rangers owner Dennis Gilbert won’t make wholesale changes in the front office if he wins the team. There has been internet speculation that he’d hire longtime friend and confidant Kevin Towers as general manager, but it is believed Gilbert would keep the current regime in place.

Gilbert heads one of three or four groups bidding for the Rangers, who are expected to go for close to half a billion. Howard Greenberg and Jim Crane are two other known bidders, and according to sources, Greenberg has all but locked up Texas legend Nolan Ryan to join his group. Ryan is the current club president so it’s presumed the baseball operations department also would be left alone should the Greenberg/Ryan group win.

With speculation out there that Gilbert would bring in Towers and his own people, there’s been some concern among the folks currently in power. The former superagent who’s now a consultant for White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf is a longtime friend of Towers and it isn’t farfetchecd to think Gilbert would want the ex-Padre GM involved. Towers was let go in San Diego when new owner Jeff Moorad, also a former superagent, decided he wanted his own man. So changes are anything but unusual under these circumstances.

However, Daniels and his people have done an excellent job, beginning with the franchise-remaking trade of Mark Teixeira to the Braves, which netted them AL Rookie of the Year candidate Elvis Andrus and ultra-impressive right-hander Neftali Feliz, among others. The move of Rangers star Young to third base to accommodate Andrus worked wonders, while the hiring of Ryan’s friend Mike Maddux as pitching coach seemed to transform the young pitching staff.

Beyond being known for getting Barry Bonds the then-record $43.75 million contract and representing an array of stars, Gilbert, a minor leaguer in the Red Sox’s organization, is well known for his Scouts Foundation, which has for years raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for scouts in need. Gilbert’s group is believed to have the support of commissioner Bud Selig, which is occasionally a plus in seeking to own a team.

LINK

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Oct 13, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love JD and everything

but I wouldn’t mind Kevin Towers

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 13, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

What has he done?

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

chris young/agonz trade?

WS appearance, division titles.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 13, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay

he took advantage of a 28 year kid with no experience or help from his front office.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 13, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's pretty similar to JD in terms of philosophy

and might be better in bringing major leaguers. He is a good GM that was hobbled by terrible ownership.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve loved JD since the start, even after all the bad trades.

by jdh90 on Oct 13, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At 12:41 PM

I have proof that there are 33 very, very stupid people on LSB, or at least 33 very very stupid people and sock puppet accounts.

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by DJCahill on Oct 13, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe they think you can trade kinsle now and he's only going to get worse?

i have no clue

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 13, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Oct 13, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler's career trajectory seems awful close to Blalock's

Just sayin. If he doesn’t get his approach straightened out, 08 & 09 might be the best we ever see from him.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Oct 13, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While that may be true,

I still imagine I’d keep him unless someone was just going to dump talent at you.

It was right at the time of the Blalock for Beckett trade that I knew I’d be happy without Blalock, if we could get a similar return, I’d probably be happy without Kinsler, but I doubt we’d get that return.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 13, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know who is more valuable

but my memory tells me that Blalock and Diamond almost got Beckett and Lowell from the Marlins back in the day.

Would you do a Kinsler and Harrison for a similar package???
Just a thought and not a recomendation.

by Bigfan16 on Oct 13, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison would be easy to let go

if I could get that same Beckett, yes – I’d do that deal. But what pitcher around is that same quality at that same age?

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Oct 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Johnson

would be similar value-wise in my estimation.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Oct 13, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't the belief that the Marlins were only using the Rangers

to force the Red Sox to include Hanley in the deal for Beckett?

by twinkilling on Oct 13, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably more

Hank was always kind of a mediocre at best defensive 3B, and the injuries made him crappier.

Although Blalock we pretty damn valuable up til about 2004.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 13, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rise and Demise of Hank

I think you could write a book, at this point, based off of posts made here alone.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by Chase Irwin on Oct 13, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you cut out repetitions

it would be a pretty short book.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Oct 13, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did he say to the media?

Something about the fans? I musta missed that.

by tklawless on Oct 13, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just that they needed to come out to more games

which they did.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 13, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, that stuff on the radio a month or so ago?

I thought maybe it was something new….sorry.

by tklawless on Oct 13, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler

As with every player, it depends on what you could get for him…..

by Darrell McKown on Oct 13, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the correct response.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by Chase Irwin on Oct 13, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it wouldn't be enough

right now. His defensive improvement over last year is one of the underrated cogs of the run prevention story this year. It wasn’t just Elvis. I have a hard time imagining any trade built around Kinsler I’d be happy with, because the other team wouldn’t want to give up that much value.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Oct 13, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree I'd like to see him modify that 'uppercut' a little, but....

how many 30/30 guys are out there?

His errors were down, too.

I’m guessing there are way more pressing problems than a 30/30, still young, All-Star 2B.

by tklawless on Oct 13, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kins threw up a 9.8 UZR

his best defensive year ever.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Oct 13, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

rec

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 13, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

beautiful

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

by Ryin A on Oct 13, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean go, I guess.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Oct 13, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is this silliness?

Every player should go for the right price (at least all of our players) and most players should stay for the wrong price.

If the choice is between having Kinsler or not having Kinsler, I vote to have him. But don’t too many people join me on this limb, its wobbly already.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Oct 13, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

500 votes during the early dull days of the offseason is a pretty surprising total.

by shroomer on Oct 13, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who says they'd like to see Kinsler traded is out of their fucking minds.

eom.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 13, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'm betting most of the "no's" are coming from passers-by, and perhaps fans of other ALW teams

Only explanation I can think of.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 13, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and a few ballot stuffers

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 13, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want the names of that 10%

and reasons why they think kinsler should be sent elsewhere

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Oct 13, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just people being dicks

They’re just voting “go” because they think it’s entertaining to annoy everyone else

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Oct 13, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not being a dick

although I am more than capable-just ask my ex-wife.
I chose the “go” option b/c there wasn’t a “maybe”. Saying “no” seemed to be refusing to even consider it, which I feel is a mistake.
To those who categorically said no, what if Greinke or Felix were offered up-what would you say.

I do fear he is firmly on the Blalock path, and do not want to see them with another
Helicopter Hank on their hands.

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Oct 13, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

Of course we don’t know what comes back in the trade so it’s speculation as to whether it’s a good or bad trade. That’s why I think this poll was basically saying “are you tired of Kinsler running his mouth and just want to get rid of him?” It was focused less on the nature of the trade and more on the nature of Kinsler.

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Oct 14, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

fair enough but I read it as “does Kinsler NEED to go – should we get rid of him right now, no matter what we get back?” so it was a matter of translating the question

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Oct 14, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put.

He does come across as an arrogant, selfish, entitled brat in many of his statements. Rhyner said after they went to ST that Kinsler had a huge case of “big-league-itis”(on like..the Ticket), and to me it showed in his approach and in his comments when questioned about his approach and his swing.
I hope we see a positive reaction…

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

Wrecked.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by Chase Irwin on Oct 14, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

goodness you really hate the kid don't you?

I think you’re reading WAY too much into this

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Oct 14, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, never met him; love his talent,hate his attitude.

I’ve been coaching in HS and JUCO for 20 years and have seen way too much of this attitude. Seldom does this sense of entitlement change for the better.
See his quote about Rudy today_"they’re trying to fix what isn’t broken." Really?? Was he not here for the 1 run in 5 games debacle, or getting shut down by Dontrelle, Gaudin, Hochevar, et al.

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Oct 14, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

very nice!!

Wash is an idiot!!

by bspate on Oct 14, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler is a Ranger for another 1.5 years at least.

Kinsler attitude bothers me at times. But you can’t trade away a guy who has performed at his level and doesn’t even turn 28 until next June. Now, I wouldn’t mind seeing Kinsler trade 30 home runs for better offensive production elsewhere. Who knows, maybe he can be a 20 home run, 40 stolen base guy. Now that being said, if the the best player on the Ranger’s board next June is a middle infielder. I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting him and developing him as Kinsler’s eventual replacement. The Rangers already have 3 good young, switch-hitting shortstops in Garcia, Profar and Sardinas who could eventually switch to second if Andrus continues to cement himself at shortstop. My prediction for an eventual Kinsler trade would be after the 2011 season. His value still ought to be high and it would give the Rangers two years to develop a couple of potential replacements.

by casew on Oct 14, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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