Rudy Jaramillo to test the free agent market
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 14, 2009 11:54 AM CDT
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PrintPer Evan Grant,Rudy Jaramillo has turned down the Rangers' offer of a one-year contract, and will test the free agent waters.
Grant seems to indicate that Jaramillo is gone, and Grant mentions that team officials told Jaramillo after the season that the offense had to improve, and there were concerns about the hitters' approach at the plate.
It will be interesting to see where he lands, and who comes to Texas to replace him.
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Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
I dislike the idea of overpaying for a 30+ outfielder with a bad approach that we don't need.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
I agree we shouldn't resign him
Your tone seemed to imply that it was “good riddance” to Marlon, too, which surprised me… my bad
Scott Coolbaugh would be the cheap option.
Seems risky, though.
How long before MY yelps about this?
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
How long before Face whines about it?
I put the o/u at 1 week…
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
lol
I was thinking the same thing.
by LiamP on Oct 14, 2009 12:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You guys act like MY whines often...
There was one occurrence, and it was justifiable, imo
Although we know that MY isn’t a good SS, he isn’t familiar with sabermetrics. All he knew was he had just won the GG and the team is asking him to move…
He's started a preemptive whining attack on whether Byrd stays or goes.
He’s taken on a role over the last two years of being more vocal, and he’s not very good at it.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Think he has faith in sabermetrics?
a) He only knows if he’s been taught or read up on his own, neither of these i think happened
b) If he does know, he has to have faith in them, which based on a story on Bannister which pegged him as one of the few ballplayers who buys into it, I’d guess that he doesn’t buy into them.
Whether he has faith in them or not is not the issue
I would be willing to bet he is familiar with them though. I’m sure he’s heard that sabermetricians don’t consider him to be a good fielder. Whether he believes that personally or not, he knows that the FO does look at defensive metrics and was asking him to move based on that.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 14, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Most players don’t give a shit about sabermetrics beyond their slash line stats (and some even don’t care about that – see Francoeur, Jeff). The nature of athletes is to go out there and play, regardless of how good they might be at a particular position (heck, if they actually cared what the stats said, guys like Yuniesky Betancourt would’ve quit by now).
The bottom line was MY considered playing shortstop some kind of badge of honor or leadership or something, so he didn’t want to move. He didn’t give a shit about what the stats said about his ability to play the position, his ego dictated that he wanted to play shortstop regardless of whether or not it benefited the team or his teammates. Which is why I get so steamed when people try to use the indecent as evidence of how “great a teammate he is”. He had a classic Alfonso Soriano moment over playing SS, only this time the front office didn’t cave to their players temper tantrum.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
"Most players don’t give a shit about sabermetrics beyond their slash line stats"
And you know this? How?
Kid's plugged into the game.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 15, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Frequenting a glory hole
isn’t exactly the definition of being “plugged in”.
by twinkilling on Oct 15, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
I’m glad this is happening.
When you have a Manager that stresses patience but a hitting coach that stresses contact the two philosophies were never going to meld together very well.
Now, it’s going to be interesting to see who comes in to replace him.
You just don't sit in a rocking chair, when you've built a revolution.
Sick of this
Cool kids club atmosphere in the clubhouse. How will this play in the Room? Oh noes. Grown ass men at a job shouldn’t worry as much about backslapping.
by WhiplashWhiteside on Oct 14, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions
slap in the face
A 1 year offer is sort of a slap in the face towards Rudy. The Rangers knew he didn’t want a 1 year deal so why even offer it? It was probably not even close to the money Rudy wants either. The Rangers don’t want him back so why not just say so?
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So Rudy J falls on the sword
because Milton Bradley was not adequately replaced.
How did he become so stupid one year after this team threw down a .351 obp in 2008?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
This situation is going to be hard to define, since "situational hitting" is the mantra, but
“situational hitting” is not well defined by Wash. He knows it when he sees it, but can’t explain it.
Rudy teaches power. He teaches power very well. It’s up to the players to back off on their power to hit to the situation.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
"situational hitting" is not well defined by Wash. He knows it when he sees it, but can’t explain it.
So it’s like porn?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
I guess it might be to Wash, which would explain why he likes it so much.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Knows it when he sees it but can't define it
Great observation, and could apply to mass numbers of baseball people – office, field, reporters, columnists, bloggers, fans.
Like other innate physical abilities, it can be learned, but rarely is evidenced as a learned skill.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 14, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
What made Rudy so smart
to make the team go from .328 (11) in 07 to .354 (2) in 08?
2009 .320 (12)
2008 .354 (2)
2007 .328 (11)
AL ranks btw.
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The Sosa had 315 plate appearances v RH pitching in 2007
and threw down a .267 obp, while mostly hitting clean-up or 5th in the line-up.
A .267 obp from your clean-up hitter!!!!
JD sat there and did nothing. His answer was an extension for Ron Washington in August.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sosa
was JD’s “answer” to our DH problem going into 2007.
Ron Washington putting The Sosa in the line-up that many times against RH pitching was going to be a wrecking ball to the team’s OBP no matter who the hitting coach was that year.
When JD has given Rudy J the proper ingredients (Milton Bradley 2008), he has made some nice chickensalads but nobody can make a good chickensalad out of chickenshit.
Rudy J is being given walking papers because the GM doesn’t know what the hell he is doing – See Sammy Sosa 2007.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
OBP AL rankings
2009 12
2008 2
2007 11
2006 9
2005 6
2004 11
2003 8
2002 6
2001 4
2000 6
2008 was an abberition.
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Sounds like you need to let the healing begin...
can’t get over stuff from ’07?
Still pissed that the Doobie Brothers broke up ?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Oct 14, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I laughed at the Doobie Bros line.
Somebody is losing their job because of incompetence above them and once again Little Boy Donuts is allowed to skate.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking Josey
was more of a Big Band Era kind of guy.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 14, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, the Doobs are right in JW's wheelhouse.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Oct 14, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of wheelhouses
JW’s is incredibly small. If the pitcher doesn’t hit his bat, he has no chance of success.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 14, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I did have the "Best of the Doobie Bros." album & CD
but was a much bigger fan of The Glimmer Twins & The Who.
“Animals” by Pink Floyd was also a big fave.
Gimme “South City Midnight Lady” & “It Keeps You Running” as my fave DB tunes .
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of the Doobies
I was just thinking back to the greatness of “Romancing the Stone” when Michael Douglas’ character found out the Doobie Bros broke up….that’s why they were the band chosen….
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Oct 14, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't usually agree with Josey, but...
This front office has shown signs of affinity for some hackers. Drafting, trading, signing, etc. Can’t blame the hitting coach for that. If you look at where our system and our ML club stand in regards to players acquired under this front office’s tenure:
For 2006 season: Traded away Soriano (hacker) for Wilkerson (patient); traded away Adrian Gonzalez (patient); traded away David Dellucci (semi-patient)
For 2007 season: Acquired Max Ramirez (semi-patient); Traded away Teixeira (patient) for Salty (semi-patient) and Andrus (hacker); Acquired David Murphy (semi-patient) and Engel Beltre (hacker); signed Frank Catalanotto (patient); signed Marlon Byrd (hacker); signed Kenny Lofton (semi-patient); signed Sammy Sosa (hacker)
For 2008 season: Acquired Ben Broussard (hacker); Acquired Josh Hamilton (semi-patient); signed Milton Bradley (patient)
For 2009 season: Acquired Greg Golson (HACKER); signed Andruw Jones (hacker); traded away Tim Smith (semi-patient) and Manny Pina (hacker)
As for the draft picks since JD took office:
2006: Chad Tracy (semi-patient), Marcus Lemon (patient), Chris Davis (hacker), Craig Gentry (patient), Miguel Velazquez (semi-patient)
2007: Julio Borbon (semi-patient former hacker), Matt West (semi-patient), Tim Smith (semi-patient), Jonathan Greene (hacker), Davis Stoneburner (hacker), Mitch Moreland (patient)
2008: Justin Smoak (patient), Clark Murphy (hacker), Mike Bianucci (semi-patient), Jared Bolden (hacker)
2009: Tommy Mendonca (hacker), Ruben Sierra (HACKER), Braxton Lane (HACKER), Vin DiFazio (patient), Riley Cooper (hacker)
There’s way too many hackers and only semi-patient guys. Not enough patient ones.
by Andy Seiler on Oct 14, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Andruw Jones has a history of being a patient hitter
For his career, he’s got an OBP about 80 points higher than his AVG (.257 .338). In Texas, his OBP was over 100 points higher. His problem hasn’t been patience; its been contact.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 14, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually it's worse
You rarely hit into a double play when you strike out.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 14, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
you rarely get a guy in from 3rd when you K
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Touche
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 15, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think that an orginization
can draft a bunch of hackers and turn them into patient hitters with an over-arching philosophy, or do the organizations who, by and large, have patient hitters look for that in players they draft?
That's why they call them business sox
They usually look for a type of player in terms of drafting.
Most teams admit that you can’t change a player’s philosophy at the plate except in small doses.
Too many hackers, not enough patient ones
Well, duh, you’ve just described the overall talent pool.
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Yeah...
But how do you explain some teams being able to reliably draft, sign, or trade for more of them then? It’s a philosophical difference.
Sure, a team can and should emphasize it
and I don’t think the Rangers have as much as I want them to.
But when you are going to draft the best player available, and you’re also stressing the importance of good defense, that walk machine is not always going to win out.
And I’d disagree with how you characterized some of the guys above. Andruw Jones, for instance has a career walk rate of over 10% and an 80+ point spread between his avg. and OBP. How is he a hacker?
And they didn’t trade Teixeira for Salty and Andrus, they traded Teixeira for a supposedly solid hitting catcher, all around SS, a pitcher with an ace ceiling, a 4th or 5th starter lefty, and a bullpen arm. You cannot look at deals like that in a vacuum.
Anyway, I sort of agree with your general premise, just maybe not to the same degree.
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Hamilton is not semi-patient
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
He was last year and his season in Cincy
He wasn’t this year so I would say semi is about right
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Perhaps semi-semi?
I think he’s one of those guys that’s more patient/effective when he has someone else like that around him in the lineup.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
Most 3 hole hitters are more patient with guys who hit over .320 hitting behind them
When they have guys like Andruw Jones and his .220 average behind them its perfectly normal to try and do it all yourself. You know why? Because if you are patient and draw a walk you are more than likely just gonna be stranded because the guys behind you can’t get base hits. You start pressing trying to get extra base hits because the likelihood of stringing together multiple hits in a row with guys hitting .250 and below is very very low. Major league pitchers aren’t gonna walk guys around the bases. You are eventually gonna have to put the ball in play. When guys behind you are doing that it makes it easier for you to wait for your pitch and take a walk. Milton Bradley hit below .260 this year. If he was here and hitting like that regardless of his OBP we still would have sucked.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Take it easy, Josey. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop talking for a while.
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Oct 14, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude
Jaramillo was Sosa’s biggest supporter.
And was Andruw’s biggest backer this past year.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 14, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Adam
Don’t try to introduce logic and facts into the conversation. I’ve been trying that for months, and it gets me nowhere.
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
Stupid sonofabitches traded for Baines
They should have known Alvarez was going to be an All-Star and throw a no hitter.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Rudy doesn't make the line-up out every day, Adam
and Sosa did hit well v LH pitching after leaving The Show for a couple of seasons.
What we also learned this year (via the Kinsler situation) that the Ranger FO does exercise muscle on their manager when they disagree with his line-up selections.
During 2007 JD sat there with his thumbs up his ass hoping The Sosa would hit better v RH pitching and THAT is supposed to be Rudy J’s fault?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Washington
like most managers, consults with his hitting and pitching coaches when making lineup and bullpen decisions. How in the hell is hitting not the hitting coach’s responsibility?
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The list of players for whom Rudy J has been a beneficent influence...
…and who are not inextricably linked to the steroids era, is very, very short.
Formality and courtesy. It's a non-offer offer. That way they don't actually discredit him on the surface.
He walks away without a black mark on his record, and the Rangers rid themselves of him without a black mark on their record.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
A 1 year offer
wasn’t a slap in the face, but entirely reasonable given this teams ownership situation.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
I didn't hear the JD interview
but I was told that the 1 year deal included a raise to Rudy.
Tough to feel like they stiffed him when they gave the highest paid hitting instructor in the game a raise.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Aren't most coaches on 1 year deals anyway?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
and Rudy said
with the ownership situation, the Rangers couldn’t sign him to a multi=year contract
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Toldja!
Exactly what Escher states above, they didn’t mesh philosophically, and it looks like Wash won the war.
Let the healing begin…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
It was time....
this offense was beyond pathetic at times this year. Too many shutouts, too many 1 hitters, too many strikeouts…
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Oct 14, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
Too many first pitch swings, too many minimum effort innings for opposing pitchers...
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Oct 14, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
There should be free agent compensation for coaches and managers as well
Rudy would be a Type A.
Go Rice Owls!
how about the Jon Gruden trade
I had never seen that before…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 14, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Not after the 2009 season
Rudy would garner no additional compensation for the Rangers. If he left as a free agent after 2008, he would have been a Type A+, or the number one type A coach out there.
by Mark from OC on Oct 14, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet, one season with a number of rookie hitters, comeback-attempting players, and injuries
And we are pushing him out the door (via media, the 1 year offer, and whatever else may have happened behind the doors)…
poor decisions, if you ask me
Bah
it’s time for a new face in that role, he’s been here forever.
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I just don't believe in that argument
What’s wrong with having a hitting coach where players enter the system and instantly respect the instruction they are given?
What's wrong
with changing the hitting philosophy to stress on base skills more?
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Nothing, and I hope that's done
I just think it can be done through Rudy if the team is insistent… could be wrong
so what now
If we have a repeat hitting performance this year, regardless of who the new hitting instructor is, does he get the blame? Does he get a pass for it being a “new beginning”? Or does Wash go down because of it?
Where's my wallet?!?!?
I think the new hitting instructor is going to get too much credit.
Hamilton has to bounce back. CD showed signs that he’s much better than his first half last year. Anyone JD picks up at DH is likely to outproduce this year’s DH.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
agreed
all things being positive next year, and I think this is exactly what will happen
Where's my wallet?!?!?
I don't know about this
Many people raised valid cases against Rudy continuing as the hitting coach here, Joey Matschulat most notably among them but I have a hard time throwing out such a phenomenal body of work and so many glowing reviews from the players under his instruction, even those who have moved on.
I like steak.
I've thought about this
but I have a hard time throwing out such a phenomenal body of work and so many glowing reviews from the players under his instruction, even those who have moved on.
He gets credited for MVP season from Juando, Pudge, and ARod quite a bit. How much of that was Rudy, and how much of it was natural talent of those guys?
Plus, he gets credit for scrap-heap guys like GMJ and DeRosa, but that looks more like a fluke every year (well, maybe not DeRosa).
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 14, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
3 guys
who have come under the whispered suspicions of PED’s. Doesn’t it at least make a little sense when you look at those guys and this year’s guys. We flamed out late and the HR numbers dropped off which is what PED’s supposedly helped stop.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 14, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
and how much of it
was the juice that was flowing freely in the Rangers clubhouse.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
no
but his pupils did. If your philosophy is to swing from your heels 162 games a year, than it would be a huge help to have something that kept you feeling even the least bit fresher than a normal human would at that point of the season. I don’t think PED’s made people hit the ball farther per se, but I think it did help beat the dog days of summer and kept those guys hitting balls the same distance deeper into the season.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 14, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
So did every other hitting coaches' pupils
I think that’s what BubkyB’s saying – the Rangers weren’t any different than all the other MLB teams
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Rudy's approach works better with juiced hitters
PEDs lead to more bat speed and power. These are crucial elements to Rudy’s style.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 14, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Coaches teaching grip it and rip it have an advantage with juiced up players.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Usually they say nothing or vague rather than something bad.
I can’t think of one person who has been quiet when asked about Rudy.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
This
Additionally, based on what I’ve read, Rudy doesn’t really work on approach very much, he’s more of a mechanics instructor.
I like steak.
by Conjunction on Oct 14, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
How about the AAA hitting coach?
Didn’t he straighten out Nellie, as well as Chris Davis? (I’m aware the competition had something to do with it)
Scott Coolbaugh is the AAA coach right now, but he wasn't when Nellie was there.
Coolbaugh was the AA coach when Davis was there, and the AAA coach when Davis was sent down last mid-season.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Supposedly Scott Servais
Figured out Nellie wan’t seeing the ball well from a neutral stance, and had him open it up. that would mean Cruz has a dominant eye (right eye) and needed face on vision to make better or more frequent contact. And if you think about the physiology of it, it may be the reason he doesn’t spot balls in front of him in the field as well as those to or behine him or in the gap – evidenlly he doesn’t have anything close to 20/10 vision.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 14, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it just coincidence? But...
didn’t ‘opening up’ also help C Davis?
If we can get the CD that came back up after the demotion, I’d take that, especially with his defense, all day long.
Looks like a lot of old faces are departing the organization
I’m a little surprised with the Rudy non-deal, but guessed that the organization didn’t want to take on any more multi-year contracts than they had to in preperation for maximizing value for the upcoming sale of the team. But the one that really surprised me was the Zack Minasian departure. I wonder what the deal is there?
I am also wondering if a lot of people who were sources that told the local
media that Ron Washington was considered a joke throughout the organization have been fleshed out.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you real?
Every time I read one of your posts circus music plays in the background.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Cecilio's Guante on Oct 14, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it is time for a change.
Rudy has been with the organization for a long, long time. So maybe it is a good time for the Rangers to start searching for their next long-term hitting coach. Next season, the Rangers can find them a new manager.
I'm neutral. Won't help, won't hurt. High obp players get on base, we need some.
the preceding post was a great success.
Rudy
So how this is on JD?
I thought all moves of importance (coaching changes, major trades & FA signings) had to get Nolan’s stamp of approval first.
Nolan observes & then implements change, right? So perhaps this is the start of his genius plan to make the Rangers an offensive juggernaut…
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Oct 14, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Master
baiting.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Well
My eyes are already pretty bad; as for my palms, they’re decidedly non-hairy.
Baiting is a tough habit to break, though. I’m trying…
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
Leave me alone! I'm 'bating...
/Idiocracy
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
DAMN YOU RODNEY
for stealing the joke I was going to make! “Ow, My Balls!”
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
I'll make a prediction
Ron Washington will mention to the press who he wants to hire and the Rangers will hire someone else. :)
We can hope
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 14, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it was time.
Rudy had his time here and now it’s time for a new voice. Hopefully the new voice will teach patience and better pitch selection. This team has been too easy to pitch to for too long.
As to MY’s reaction, I’m sure he’ll say some good things about Rudy and then say that he wants to win and if this is the best situation to make that happen, then so be it. He’s obviously got a ton of pride, but that doesn’t make him stupid. I’m sure he took careful note of how much better the infield D was this season and at the end of the day, it’s about winning.
JD currently on The Ticket with BAD Radio
Does not blame Rudy “exclusively” for team’s offensive woes.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
I think you'd also have to blame
team leadership, which puts zero premium on patience at the plate.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Lots of talk from JD about "situational hitting"
and giving yourself up for the greater good of the team.
Bullshit – it’s about getting more players who get on base.
No discussion about ferns yet.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Do you have a job?
It just seems like you sit around all day listening to the Ticket, arguing with people half (at least) your age.
by brettgardner on Oct 14, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not even correct.
He just clarified that “situational hitting” doesn’t refer to just moving guys over and getting sac flies.
He also just said that it’s about getting more players on base.
…and they offered Rudy a raise. Hmm.
Don't you need to be practicing, bg?
Pledges that can’t carry that grape between their butt cheeks and walk without dropping it have to eat the grape.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
I guess I wouldn't know
I always thought frats were pretty pathetic. Glad to know you’re an expert on the matter.
by brettgardner on Oct 14, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I may have missed something
did he answer your question?
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Oct 14, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I got as much of an answer as I expected.
by brettgardner on Oct 14, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I had tuna sandwiches for lunch.
That new foil packaging, can’t beat it.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
McDowell presses JD
with question regarding contract offered Rudy J…said something to the effect that they knew ahead of time that Rudy wouldn’t accept a one-year deal and JD disagreed.
More bullshit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
I'm beginning to wonder
Why you care? The anti-JD crusade destroys your otherwise useful baseball opinions.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 14, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The occasional perspective on team needs
And on the field shortcomings. Critic and fan comments. Praise for guys who reach or exceed expectations.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 14, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Josey actually does occasionally add some value to the discussion. His white whale destroys his credibility though.
White Whale
That might be the best description to date. Not to day I want JD to wrap Josey up in a batch of ropes and drown him but………. What was I saying again?
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
If by occasionally
you mean once a month or so, I guess. Except his “value” opinions are usually the sort of generic stuff most anyone here already knows and agrees with. There is nothing he knows about baseball (other than trivia) that the vast majority of posters here haven’t figured out for themselves, and he misuses most of what he does know.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Unless you know JD personally
How can you be 100% sure he isn’t telling the truth. A person with confidence in his abilities shouldn’t be concerned with a 1 year contract in my opinion.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 14, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
If you have one of the best reputations in your field and you can get the security of a multi-year elsewhere
why wouldn’t you? When it comes to getting the biggest paycheck you can, I think confidence is a lesser factor.
Where the Rangers ranked in OPS+ in the AL during the Rudy era.
Stolen from Gary Collard on the Rangers Mailing list. I probably should doublecheck this, but that would take work, so here it is, unchecked.
1995 10t
1996 6
1997 9
1998 3
1999 4
2000 10
2001 3
2002 7
2003 8t
2004 9
2005 4
2006 5t
2007 9
2008 1
2009 7
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Kind of pedestrian for a hitting genius.
by Athos on Oct 14, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
Tough to see any indication that he is bringing a ton to the party. To really know, you’d probably have to do a huge analysis of players pre Rudy, during Rudy, and Post Rudy, but I don’t know an easy way to do that.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Doesn't OPS+ treat OBP and SLG equally
even though OBP is considered more important than SLG?
|Space for Rent|
OPS does.
OPS+ is normalized for park factors and weighted on a scale where 100 is average.
Someone else posted OBP ranks, and they’re pretty similar. Our best year was last year.
It was time
Rudy is a one-trick-pony. When this team had a higher payroll and was bringing in free agents more regularly, there was a mix of hitting approaches in the lineup as the veteran hitters had their own approach prior to being acquired.
As the Rangers switched to a build from within philosophy, the lineup became filled with Rudy’s disciples. Even the veteran free agents who have been brought in recently (Jones, Sosa) came here as broken hitters looking for Rudy to overhaul their swing.
A lineup filled with Rudy-bots is too easy to pitch to opposing teams have figured this out. I think bringing in a new hitting coach will add some variety and make the lineup less homogeneous.
Also, Rudy’s approach just didn’t seem to be working for some guys. Maybe they will have more luck with a different coach who has a different style.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 14, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
I think this move is more psychological than anything.
It’s mostly about not sending mixed messages to the players than to the actual teaching skills of Rudy.
The offense has been very successful at times under Rudy; it has been bad at times under Rudy. That would be the case going forward. The main thing is whether the tone of the message coming from Rudy is consistent with what Wash wants the players to have in their heads.
Consistency and cohesiveness are attributes JD has been trying to cultivate over the past few years. This move is right in line with that.
I think this has less of a chance of impacting the players’ performance than the Maddux move did last year. But, even then, was it Maddux or was it the improved defense that made the pitchers less willing to walk hitters?
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
Now who in the hell can come in and make a instant impact?
There’s a lot of work that needs to be done. Farewell Rudy.
"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The Rangers front office
refused to spend money on hitting and traded away hitting prospects because they felt they could find a cheaper solution through Rudy’s work with washed up hittters. The organization has been banking on Jaramillo to work miracles – so now I expect there will be a different free agent/drafting philosophy when it comes to hitting.
"Clearly, the season is over. Fire Daniels, fire Washington, fire Maddux, burn down TBIA." - AJM
by aggierangerfan00 on Oct 14, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions
Uh..... Might want to provide some evidence of refusing to spend money and trading hitting prospects....
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
x
and traded away hitting prospects because they felt they could find a cheaper solution through Rudy’s work with washed up hittters.
Which prospects? I have two big ones in my mind from the last decade, but that doesn’t really seem to be the problem.
by brettgardner on Oct 14, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I would weight my previous statement
more on the idea of saving money by hoping Jaramillo could work miracles. You’re right, there have only been a few offensive deals.
"Clearly, the season is over. Fire Daniels, fire Washington, fire Maddux, burn down TBIA." - AJM
by aggierangerfan00 on Oct 14, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
There has been a tendency to swing at bad pitches
even in hitter’s counts. The 2-0 and 3-1 counts where balls bounce or are over their head. It’s like they’ve decided to swing before the pitch is thrown……obviously the 1st pitch stats aren’t too helpful either.
I don’t know if Rudy is solely to blame for the ‘over-aggressiveness’ and it may be OK with a line-up full of ARod’s, but this team, as constructed, needs to get on base more often….period!
If I remember right
I thought I heard something one time where Jaramillo would tell the hitters to swing for a fastball on hitters counts such as 2-0 and 3-1. I’d be interested to see how many times an opposing pitcher threw a breaking pitch in a hitters count this season.
"Clearly, the season is over. Fire Daniels, fire Washington, fire Maddux, burn down TBIA." - AJM
by aggierangerfan00 on Oct 14, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Easily fixed without removing an asset from the team, if this is a problem we want fixed:
Wash: “Don’t swing on 3-0”
Nolan Says:
It’s easy. Find a coach you don’t like, and drive him!
Good Riddance
via con dios
Rudy is old school and baseball has changed quite a bit in the last 15 years. It’s time to get some new blood up in here.
Just so we're clear...
All Jon Daniels decisions flow through Nolan Ryan, but Rudy Jaramillo is being made a scapegoat because JD screwed the pooch and doesn’t want to admit fault?
I'll miss him
but it was time for a change…unless we got Milton Bradley back.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
As much excitement and pop that Rudy's style brought to our lineup over the years,
I want someone to teach hitting to contact, not for power.
Son, if you really want something in this life, you have to work for it. Now quiet! They're about to announce the lottery numbers. - Homer Simpson
Good riddance
I know I speak for most everybody else here, but I’m ready to see what Coolbaugh or someone else can do with this offense. I tried to defend Rudy on occasion during the year, but it became quickly apparent that this offense needs a major overhaul of their collective approach, and letting Rudy go is a good step one to getting that started.
Happy trails Rudy.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
DAMN
Time to re-do the ENTIRE Rangers’ players cookbook!
Shelley Jaramillo’s artwork has no place ’round these parts anymore
by oc on Oct 15, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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