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Rounding up the Rudy Jaramillo Reactions

The news that Rudy Jaramillo is not coming back next season (all other coaches will return) is, of course, pretty big, and there's a lot of buzz out there about it...

Evan Grant offers some thoughts on the matter, and also some quotes from Ian Kinsler, who isn't happy that Rudy is leaving.

Jeff Wilson also has a write-up at the S-T blog.

Richard Durrett has a story up on ESPN that includes some telling comments from Nolan Ryan:

Said Ryan: "We were all disappointed in the number of strikeouts and the lack of walks. We felt like for us to move forward, that was an area we had to stress with the hitters, like maybe have a different approach on two strikes. [Rudy] was in agreement with that."

Rob Neyer thinks the impact of hitting gurus like Jaramillo may be overstated.

And I'm sure we'll have some columnists blasting this decision in the next couple of days, although again, with Ryan apparently on board and behind the decision to let Jaramillo walk, and expressing displeasure in the team's approach, it does make serve to give the Rangers some p.r. cover on this move.  If Ryan weren't here, and Jon Daniels were the one seen as making this call, I can only imagine the firestorm that would ensue.

In any case...I think there's little question that, as a technician, Rudy Jaramillo is a terrific hitting coach.  He's great at the mechanics of hitting, and the guys who jump out when I think of Rudy-type hitters -- Ivan Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez, but also Michael Young and Mark DeRosa -- are aggressive hitters with an aptitude for driving the ball to the opposite field.

But it has also been suggested that Rudy isn't as strong at the aspects of the game that the Rangers, the past couple of years in particular, have really struggled with...approach and pitch recognition.  While Jaramillo deserves praise for his work with many hitters, you also see the regression of Hank Blalock, the struggles this season of Ian Kinsler and Josh Hamilton, the infatuation with Sammy Sosa and Andruw Jones, the fact that Nelson Cruz and Chris Davis had to go back to AAA to make necessary adjustments, and it drives home that Jaramillo isn't a miracle worker.

Given where this team is now, given how it is being build, given what the front office and manager appear to want from their hitters and want to see improvement in, this may be the best thing for both parties.  I don't think it is Rudy Jaramillo's fault that the Rangers looked so awful offensively so often this past season...but I also don't know that, given the particular issues afflicting this team, that Rudy was necessarily the best choice out there to implement the improvements the team wants to see from its hitters.

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Agreed

And recent comments by Wash & Nolan vis-à-vis situational hitting failure pretty much lead me to believe this was an eventuality.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Oct 14, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

In my opinion, Rudy left because our approach to constructing a team shifted away from his strengths. In the past, when we were more of a high-SLG/low-OBP team, his ideas made a lot of sense, and his focus on mechanics while ignoring (at least, from what we’ve heard) plate approach were irrelevant.

Now that it seems we’re trying to increase walk rate and pitches per plate appearance, we need someone at hitting instructor who’s going to reinforce that mentality.

I’m sure there’s a lot of disagreement to the extent that a hitting coach can change a major league hitter’s approach at the plate, but if we’re going to have an organizational philosophy, the members of this organization should probably all buy into it.

by jwiscarson on Oct 14, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Kinsler,

I’ll get some Summer’s Eve for you. They offered him a raise, and he didn’t take it.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 14, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

WTF was wrong with his quotes there?

You really are turning into your avatar.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Oct 14, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x
I think they are trying to fix something that’s not broken

Explain how this makes any sense given the circumstances of Rudy’s departure.

by LiamP on Oct 14, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that quote expresses all my dissappointment in Kinsler

and his lack of even recognizing the problem. This is supposed to be a leader on the team, and he can’t take one ounce of criticism or acknowledge that he needs to work on his approach. My wife has a Kinsler jersey, and if this continues into next season (his approach that is) I’ll have to burn the jersey.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 14, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not even talking about that part.

The guy’s talking like the Rangers dicked him because they didn’t want to re-sign his hitting coach, despite interviews with JD, Nolan and fucking Rudy himself that all talk about how the FO wanted him back and wanted to give him a raise (albeit on a 1 year deal).

by LiamP on Oct 14, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leaders on the team produce

and Kinsler hung up a 30/30 (with 30 doubles) as a leadoff hitter and played very good defense.

He had the stones to call out the fans, that’s what leaders do.

Get over it.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

with as many pop ups as he hit this year, 30 of them were bound to clear the fence. At least he threw up a .250 avg. or whatever it was.

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

Hello Win Column!!!

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 14, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep....

Jeter calls out the fans everyday, right?? hhmm…

Wash is an idiot!!

by bspate on Oct 15, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attendance doesn't seem to be a problem

for the Yankees.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly!!

If we had 26 championships…..everything would be easier and no one would be complaining about the fans or anything else.

It would be good times indeed.

Wash is an idiot!!

by bspate on Oct 15, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you just compare the Rangers to the Yanks?

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

by Ryin A on Oct 15, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not hte actual problem here either.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Oct 15, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really need to shut the fuck up.

This is part of Nolan’s massive change you bark about like a chihuahua. You heard the damned interview-Nolan, JD and Rudy all met and discussed what needed to be done in the future, and Rudy was completely on-board.
They can’t offer a multi-year when they are trying to sell the damned team.
Kinsler sounds like an arrogant little prick-“how dare anyone question my approach or my swing”.
Kinsler is a leader all right-a negative one. Where was his “leadership” when they sank like a rock in September??

"I’m not in the meetings and not part of the discussions; it’s not my responsibility. . My responsibility is to go out and win tonight. My focus is to win tonight. The club has to look at more than just this year." -Michael Young

by randyd on Oct 14, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you argue for the sake of arguing dont you?

Hey the world is round…go!!

"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto

by Michael Cave on Oct 14, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

It’s slightly pear-shaped.

by Black Francis on Oct 14, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pears aren't round?

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you realize the opposite of round is square or rectangular, right?

he said round, not spherical. there isn’t a straight edge on a pear except for the stem

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When most people say round

…they mean spherical goddammit and you know that.

There’s not a straight edge on the stem, either.

Rounded isn’t the same thing as round. Rectangles and squares are not the “opposite” of round. There is no opposite of a shape.

I love the internet.

by Black Francis on Oct 14, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

spherical does not mean round. that's just ridiculous.

learn the language

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look I'm just messing around

Of course they’re not the same thing.

But a pear is not round. Look at the picture. Just because it has no corners or straight edges doesn’t mean its round.

by Black Francis on Oct 14, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it wrong that when I see the word "Spherical"

I think of “So I Married An Axe Murderer”

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Oct 15, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Oct 14, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

:)

I was waiting for this. One of my favorite pics for some reason

by BuckyB on Oct 14, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooh

Is this your new schtick?

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 15, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me a little bit of Blalock a few years ago

He was struggling horribly and Bucko moved him down in the order. He made a pissy remark to a reporter about it and that’s when I gave up all hope of him ever returning to form. If you can’t acknowledge there’s a problem, how can you fix it?

I’m not saying Kinsler’s like that. I think some of the reaction against him is going a little too far, actually. Kinsler did regress in some areas but he is still very productive and plays his position pretty well. Valuable guy to have. It could be that he just had an off year.

I don’t really care about him calling out the fans. I think it was stupid, but I don’t expect ballplayers to understand what it’s like for a family who makes $75k a year or whatever. In fact I don’t really expect them to understand much of anything. They’re jocks and I would guess most think like jocks.

Back to the point, let’s wait and see if he reacts any differently to a new coach or just plain sees the ball better after this year.

by Black Francis on Oct 14, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

that judgment should wait til next season, but If no adjustments are made, then I’m afraid that that would be the Kinsler we are going to see. The swing for the fences, I want to be 30/30 again. I hope Kinsler turns it around and gets his head right.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 14, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DJCahill

you are my leader.

is a fan of Derek Freaking Holland!

by ortonius on Oct 14, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

It is just time for him to go.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Oct 14, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

While you can't blame...

Rudy for all the offensive problems this team had this year, he does deserve some of the blame. Just like he got a lot of credit when the hitters did perform.

It’s plain and simple. The Rangers approach at the plate this year sucked. Rather than hearing different versions of “we are who we are” from all the players and coaches in regards to hitting, something had to be done. You aren’t going to trade all the players and let Rudy stay. So this was the obvious move. Just like when a team loses and the manager gets the axe, or when the pitching sucks and the pitching coach is canned.

I approve of this move.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 14, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you want to lay even blame

you blame JD for not filling the gap left by Bradley’s departure; the training staff for Kinsler, Young, Saltalamacchia and Hamilton’s injuries; Hamilton for his slip in judgment that might’ve led to a regression; the players themselves for a failure at the plate; then, on top of all that, you can blame Rudy and his methods or inability to get the players (most notably Davis, Blalock, Kinsler and the catchers) to adapt their approach.

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Oct 15, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good take by Evan
The Rangers want to see improvement in on-base percentage, in two-strike approaches and in pitch recognition. And after a pair of back-to-back multi-year deals, and with a manager whose contract expires after 2010, they didn’t want to be in a situation where the hitting coach had more security than the manager.
Jaramillo and the Rangers are in different places right now. That makes this move neither stupid (as Jaramillo fans have suggested) or brilliant (as Jaramillio detractor exclaim).

And Ian needs to take a PR course.

“I think they are trying to fix something that’s not broken,” Ian Kinsler said.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Oct 14, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to reignite the 'Is Ian a douche' argument

Nor the ‘Does it matter if Ian is a douche’ counter-argument, but how did these guys get this sense of entitlement? Doesn’t that normally come from accomplishment? Is making a few All-Star games, and a 30-30 season, enough to entitle these guys to blow their opinions so hard in the media?

I’d be more willing to buy it if Ian or MY had more skins on the wall than ’We’ve been over 500 a couple times!’.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Oct 14, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty sure Evan called Kinsler and asked for his opinion, don't you think?

He said what he was supposed to say. He stuck up for his coach.

I see nothing wrong with what he said.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Oct 14, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what he should have said

“he’s a great coach and I’ll miss him.”

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

As much as Josey wants someone to give Ceej the shower shoes speech, IK needs the ‘Learn your cliches’ speech.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Oct 14, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the problem with the "Learn your cliches"

We, as fans, don’t want to hear cliches. We like people in the clubhouse being honest and telling it like it is. Yet when “like it is” isn’t what we want to hear (the players aren’t happy about attendance, the players don’t like Padilla, the players wanted Rudy to come back), we get upset that he’s honest?

It is a double standard. I for one, applaud any athlete willing to be honest with us about what he feels. Maybe his feelings are irrational – but you know, feelings often are.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Oct 14, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Id like for them to be honest

I just dont want them to have stupid ass opinions like he put out there. The offense was pretty clearly broken, and the hitters pretty clearly weren’t listening to the approach the organization wants to put forth. That = problem

by UNTJosh on Oct 14, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 14, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bingo.

Wash is an idiot!!

by bspate on Oct 15, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there is a difference between a cliche and knowing the right thing to say

“This is a business” is a cliche. “I’ll miss him” is not a cliche; it is an opinion. There is a way to say what you’re feeling without saying everything that you are feeling and sounding like a d-bag.

But that’s not the problem. Honestly, I’d have no problem if he said, “Hicks is a uber dumbass for spending his way into this mess.” I’d be happy with that opinion even though it would be inartfully said.

The problem is his opinion is wrong. The Rangers are fixing something that needs to be fixed. He should be smart enough to know that. So at least part of this is that Kinsler sounds like an idiot when he makes that completely false statement.

What the issue is is that BT states that Kinsler has to say something nice about Jaramillo and that is the only way for him to say something nice. Well, that’s not true. He can say plenty of nice things without saying something that is categorically false. No matter how much people like Jaramillo on this board, nobody would think to say “there is no problem.”

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

I get your point. It isn’t as much what Kinsler is saying – because really, I could care less what he says – it is what he is thinking, which is of more concern long-term. We don’t want another Blalock on our hands.

However, I do agree with Adam though that the anger at him calling out the fans and not saying the right thing PR wise is silly. And the problem with the “Kinsler is an idiot” crowd is that they are mixing the good evidence with the distractions.

Really, all this does is just emphasize that a new coach is needed. Because Rudy’s method – to give guys confidence in their hard swinging approach – has a bad effect, it gives guys confidence in sucking. And right now, Kinsler is very confident in his sucking. And that is annoying.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Oct 15, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Kinsler said on BAD Radio was not that bad.

He was encouraging fans to come out to the ballpark because it was the most important time of year and the players draw energy from the crowd.

It’s fucking embarrassing when the Angels are in town in late June and you draw fewer than 17,000. Some of that is on the fans but a lot of it is the collateral damage this organization began to accrue in October 2005.

What we have in LSB are a bunch of idiots looking for their latest whipping boy.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ranger attendance rebounded quite nicely

in 2004 & 2005 and then something began to happen.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CLASSIC!

Bravo, dude. The performance has reached Tony Award-caliber. Just tremendous.

Where do you get your inspiration?

What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?

by ghtd36 on Oct 15, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

x

Baseball exists in a vacuum, obviously.

by brettgardner on Oct 15, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That june game you are referencing

Was a Monday night. Ignoring Opening Day and Yankees’ games on Mondays for obvious reasons, 17,674 is the average for the season on Monday home games.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Oct 15, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was not a Monday night game

v the Royals so stop making excuses.

That night in June, the Rangers were going toe to toe with the Angels while in contention on an evening when weather was not an issue.

There was no excuse whatsoever for that kind of attendance and serves as further proof that Nolan’s work in repairing the collateral damage isn’t complete.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not an excuse

it is fact. The 17,674 average includes games vs Boston, Oakland, LA, Toronto, Detroit, KC, and Balt.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Oct 15, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must be honored...

…to be working with such a skilled actor, Dirk.

What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?

by ghtd36 on Oct 15, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Oct 15, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

Not that radically different of a quote.

I still don’t see any sense of entitlement there.

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Oct 14, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It carries with it the connotation that he disagrees with the move, and that he thinks it’s the wrong move to be made.

And making a statement like that, to me, carries with it a sense of entitlement. ‘I know what’s better for this team than Nolan and Jon do. Ain’t nothing broken about this offense. What’s that? Third worst OBP in the AL? I popped up at an insane rate? 30-30, motherfucker. Yeaaahhhhh, what now? I’m awesome. Let’s go to Sizzler.’

I know it’s just, like, their opinions, man. But I think the right thing to do here is toe the company line, not throw the company under the bus.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Oct 14, 2009 6:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

x
And making a statement like that, to me, carries with it a sense of entitlement. ‘I know what’s better for this team than Nolan and Jon do.

Isn’t that what those of us here do every day?

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 14, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have no affiliation with the team

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

And if Ian says yeah, this is a good move, he’s ripped for throwing his hitting coach under the bus and blaming him for the players struggling.

The reality is that, like C.J. Wilson, there’s nothing that Ian Kinsler can say or do right now that is going to make people happy. There are a good chunk of people who are going to bitch him, because for whatever reason, he’s turned into the prime whipping boy on this team.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 14, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Normally I'd agree with you about Kinsler being the whipping boy

But this insistence he has that there’s nothing wrong with his swing or his approach (or the teams approach) is fucking annoying. You’d have to be a braindead monkey to not realize there was something seriously wrong with this teams approach this year, and Kinsler was a large part of that.

His refusal to recognize it, and MY’s refusal to recognize it during the season both make me wonder to some extent if in fact they are both braindead monkeys.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 14, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

“I miss him. He was a good coach. He taught me how to hit. He’s a living legend. I’ll always be in his debt. He’s the shit. I’m sorry to see him go…”

I see nothing wrong with talking about all the positives that Jaramillo brought to the club without saying something categorically false that represents a complete misunderstanding of what’s wrong with the team.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he's only the whipping boy because you decided he's the whipping boy

seems like most people though the poll was really strange and I can’t seem to find any people who actually don’t like him (that I actually care about or that actually represent a substantial readership).

Who are all these people that hate Kinsler?

Twice he’s made really weird comments and people have made fun of him – the same way people called out Young earlier this year. This is not what a whipping boy is. A whipping boy is someone you heap unnecessary blame on. No blame going on Kinsler. Nobody blames Ian for the season.

Seriously, I have no idea where you are finding this Ian hate. Did you see the poll results? Are you really going to perpetuate the story?

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

It is all my imagination.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 14, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the answer is yes

and the simpler explanation is not that you are making things up it’s just that you are wrong. it happens.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

part of what AJM

has to do is ignite discussion. He knows Kinsler has been a hot topic so he throws that up to keep people involved.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 15, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

It keeps the hits rolling on the blog.

a community has been built here that can ignite discussions, but he can nudge a topic forward that may get more discussion than others. Why not?

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 15, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And as we all know...

…Blog Hits = Straight Cash, Homey

by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?

by ghtd36 on Oct 15, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think people have turned on him a bit in general

But you say it like the fanbase spun a wheel and it landed on Kinsler.

He went out of his way to insult the fans, and when questioned about his approach dismisses it as unworthy of a response.. while simultaneously saying he refuses to watch tape on himself..

His interviews simply have something of an attitude to them that will grate on some fans.

“I think they are trying to fix something that’s not broken” clearly has a tone of disapproval to it and if you think people would react the same way to “he was a great coach, but thats how baseball goes” or whatever, then.. well, I disagree. Not that anyone reacted that strongly.

You love to bash Hank for changing his approach from what we thought he would be, but apparently signs of Kinsler following a similar route are irrational ramblings of stupid fans.

If you are paying so close attention as to key in on everyone that insults or makes some derogatory allusion to his comments (not all of which mean they hate him or something) you should be able to pick up on the reasoning..

Thankfully Kinslers defensive value, baserunning ability and overall game still leave him a very valuable player even if his approach remains the same, and one year of data probably isn’t enough to say thats what he is now anyway.

And I think a majority of the relatively small number of people bashing kinsler over all this still realize that.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Oct 15, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said

that is my big issue. we saw Blalock squander his talent over the last 7 years or so, and we don’t want to see the same approach from Kinsler. Blalock never made an adjustment and was to remain a swing for the fences guy no matter what. I hope Blalock gets a crappy deal this summer, and maybe that will tell Kinsler that he can’t take the same philosophy into his ABs.

As fans, though, we want this team to win, and Kinsler is a big part of how this team will come about winning. This offseason and next season are really important in terms of competing for many reasons, and I remain to reserve judgment on Kinsler until good portion through next season. Kinsler tends to perform really well in the 1st month of the season, so we could see signs right away if he starts off slowly.

Calling out the fans was a mistake, and it won’t put them in the seats. I think he’ll learn from that, but Kinsler doesn’t understand the current economic times. How could he? I got laid off this past year, and I was still able to make it out to a decent amount of games, but Kinsler won’t know my struggles. I love baseball. I’ve been a fan of the Rangers ever since I can remember. I will continue to be a fan when Kinsler leaves the Rangers.

Right now Kinsler is a part of this team and I want him to succeed – not because I like him, or because he can be a douche, but because it is in my selfish interest to want to get some joy from this team making it to the playoffs.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 15, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we the commenters do

You jus throw up links when you’e not busy hawking divorces.

/jayslick.

But, yeah, I think being a fan carries the same sense of entitlement I’m railing against. Does that make me a hypocrite? Fair question.

But, as said below, we’re not employees, we’re outsiders. I think that changes the expectations for both parties.

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Oct 14, 2009 8:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

What Ian needs is somebody to slap him in the face with his FB/LD percentages this year

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 14, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ian:

“I think they are trying to fix something that’s not broken . . . .”

Better statement he should have made: “Rudy gave us the instruction we needed to succeed. I, for one, admit that I didn’t execute as well as I should have.”

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Oct 14, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's see the new hitting coach instruct a person with an attitude like that how to have

better pitch recognition, a smaller swing in 2-strike counts, and higher walk rate.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Oct 14, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, shit, Ian...

what exactly is it that’s “broken” about this team, if not the fact that they didn’t hit worth a shit for most of the year?

by JDT217 on Oct 14, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs more energy

/MY

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 14, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shoehorning a 1B into the line-up with an OPS below .690

for 95% of the year is what was broken.

The OPS average for AL 1B was something very close to .830.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Math fail

113 games = 69.8%

Oh you must have included Hank and his MVP caliber line in there as well didn’t you?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Oct 14, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're not allowed to bring this up in this thread.

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Oct 14, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are my internet hero.

Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador

by Parman on Oct 15, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam's threads of deleting this shit have been all lies.

He hasn’t deleted any of this, despite Josey bringing it up at least 6 other times in other threads. Toothless tiger.

by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the past

this thread would have been decimated with his BS and the others buying in. Notice it has stopped. Nay I say to “toothless tiger.” Don’t be Ian! ;)

Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador

by Parman on Oct 15, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet

Jay Donuts still brings it up over and over. The difference is that nobody takes his bait and argues with him here. Josey’s crap needs to be deleted.

by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he is....

there was no mention of Davis or Blalock in his post.

um…

Wash is an idiot!!

by bspate on Oct 15, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saying the words "Davis" or "Blalock"

Or whatever nicknames he has for Davis these days isn’t necessary to be talking about Davis vs. Blalock in the same old argument. This is for sure material that AJM threatened to delete, but still has yet to do.

by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there's going to be that much backlash

Rudy went on Galloway’s show today and really took away a lot of points of criticism. Basically, he said that the Rangers offered him a 3% raise, but couldn’t give him multiple years because of the ownership situation. He also said that both JD and Nolan (as far as he could tell) genuinely wanted him back, and this was a situation where he was ready to move on.

There might be some articles blasting Hicks on this one, but from any Rudy defender’s point-of-view, it’s hard to find fault with anything that Nolan/JD did.

by LiamP on Oct 14, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He also mentioned that players shouldn't be angry towards the organization given this was his choice.

Of course, Kinsler’s naturally retarded so you can’t blame him for spouting off.

by LiamP on Oct 14, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe some of the players stopped listening to him las season

and he realized he was just not getting through to them anymore. That could make him want to move on and explain in part why the Rangers’ approach at the plate continued to be sub-par even as the season progressed…

by MikeEl on Oct 14, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the time ST rolls around, this will likely be the least important story of the offseason.

I know it might not seem like the Rangers have the money to make moves, but if they really want to do something in 2010, they’re going to have to make some trades to improve the top of the rotation and bring in a RH batter with their core hitting values that have just been broadcast to the entire world.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Oct 14, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well stated, Adam

I’d hope that this take on Rudy gets wide attention.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Oct 14, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So let's hear some...

possible replacement names.

Anyone got anything else besides someone like Coolbaugh?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 14, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jason Cole agreed that with me that

Brant Brown might be the leading in-house candidate with Mike Boulanger second, as he spends lots of time with the big league team already.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 14, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think this was the call of Little Boy Donuts.

This was Step 1 of “Implementing change” on offense per the big man and now he needs his boy to bring him a good trade to approve.

The one-year offer is a suprisingly chickenshit move by Nolan. When he doesn’t want you here, you’re gone – Ask Mark Connor & Dom Chiti. I don’t get that because they knew Rudy wouldn’t roll that way.

I’m ambivalent on it. Sometimes change is good but Rudy J was the hitting coach of a team one year ago that scored 901 runs and had a .351 obp so I don’t think he’s at fault.

The problem was that the GM didn’t adequately replace Milton Bradley in the off-season and then the same GM pissed himself at the trade deadline (he had hope!!!) but shit rolls downhill and Rudy J is gone.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Repeating the same asanine theories over and over doesn't make them any more plausible

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Oct 14, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The obvious is mysterious and evasive

A GM is the guy who makes the calls. Only on out of budget expenditure is he or she (go Kim, get the Padres job) put into a position of seeking approval. JD concensus style is both a courtesy and helpful to him.

.30

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Oct 14, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not following you, Ed

At least, with regard to mine and Josey’s comments.

Only on out of budget expenditure is he or she (go Kim, get the Padres job) put into a position of seeking approval

That “only,” I’d argue, has been quite the salient factor the past year or so. it is absolutely the answer to the bridge troll’s carping about Theo getting it done with Victor Martinez, and LBD’s insert crass, cheesy Walesian cliche.

JD concensus style is both a courtesy and helpful to him.

I don’t think that is necessarily true.

I’m probably missing something here on your point, Ed. What is it?

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Oct 14, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That

The GM makes the call. Otherwise, the job description would have “subject to owner, team President, and concensus of operational staff approval”. If you are in charge, you are in charge. Getting concensus and taking guidance is great if you are open to it, but not a suggestion that a GM’s decision making is counterfeit, as often suggested by the deference to Nolan posts.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Oct 14, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what is mysterious and evasive?

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Oct 15, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gawd

Factual matter, to Josey. Meant as an add-on to your reply to him.

Am I speaking Sanskrit this week ? LOL

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Oct 15, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If JD was truly "in charge" he could make another Danks for McCarthy

AG/CYoung for 5 bags of shit trade without having to run it by Nolan first.

Tom Hicks was very public in saying a trade like that wouldn’t happen again with Nolan Ryan here.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll never know

"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."

by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 15, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many dumbass trades or free agency expenditures has this team made since

February 6, 2008?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irrelevant

Unless you can show evidence of a deal vetoed by Nolan, then you haven’t proved causation.

You do know what causation is, right?

by cstorm15 on Oct 15, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you believe JD adequately replaced what Bradley brought to the team?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The topic is Rudy's job

Former job, apparently.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Oct 14, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't talking to you, Big Ed.

BThomas said I was repeating the same asinine theories over and over…the GM didn’t adequately replace what Bradley did for the club last off-season or at the trade deadline and the result is that Rudy J is out of a job – so it is related but I appreciate the input.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 14, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God JD didn't bring Milt back.

Boy, did Bradley suck this season. What a great GM we have.

by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't you ban him?

Can you please answer that?

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nope

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 14, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJM == JW

That’s because, secretly, Josey Wales is actually AJM on another account.

by iblum on Oct 15, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I told you guys!

Adam IS Josey. Also, GOOGLE RON PAUL!

by bruce182 on Oct 15, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm convinced there's two reasons

a), Adam likes arguing with him.
b), He recognizes theres some value in keeping a village idiot around. Think about it, in the olden days it was Sharky/LBrooks. Now it’s Josey.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 14, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All communities

need a village idiot. JW the cartoon shines in this role.

by RangersOCD on Oct 14, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TAG don't tweet...

and AJM don’t ban.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 15, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take this lame shit to your own thread.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 14, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again.

The scope of items to be limited to that thread needs to be increased.

by LiamP on Oct 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the exact same thing

We need a “JD v. Nolan” designated thread. Shit, you do that and JW won’t have anything whatsoever to say.

It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.

by WyoRanger on Oct 14, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He never

has anything to say. He just keeps repeating the same nonsense and people always reply. I was enjoying the 4 days of no posts on Josey’s thread before someone gave in and started arguing again.

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

Hello Win Column!!!

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 14, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To Everything.

Josey Wales should have a permanent thread and should only be allowed to comment there. Like a circus animal.

by Black Francis on Oct 14, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only there was a way to accomplish this

Mebbe ab03 could come up with a script that could be slapped on Josey’s user account.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 14, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In other words

You blamed JD and then realized Nolan supported the move.

You’re not fooling anyone.

by cstorm15 on Oct 14, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure

how much difference a hitting coach is going to make. You are only going to be as good as the talent you put on the field.

Although this team can use a change in philosophy taught in the majors. Didn’t Washington preach “swing at it if you are comfortable with hitting it” or some bullshit like that? I remember Washington defending Byrd by saying something to that extend (I am paraphrasing of course).

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Oct 14, 2009 6:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Danny Gutierrez is pitching tomorrow

Just an FYI.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 14, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scheppers should hopefuly get a couple of innings too.

He hasn’t pitched in the prior 2 games so there’s a decent chance.

by LiamP on Oct 14, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Moreland too.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 14, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exciting day!

there is still baseball!…..well and the playoffs of course.

OT: MLB and Bud Selig are morons. Whomever thought of this schedule is a bunch of tards. 5 days between games from what I can tell, just so the series can start on the weekend. Ridiculous

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 14, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe the WS is starting on October 28th this year.

That has to be the latest it’s ever started… right?

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 14, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

it isn’t Bud’s fault that 3 of the 4 divisional series were sweeps. Had they all gone 5 games, waiting until Friday to start wouldn’t be crazy at all.

And I prefer baseball’s waiting for everyone to finish each round mentality to (I think) the NHL’s “we’ll start playing rounds whenever we know both teams” idea. Doesn’t the NHL do that, or am I completely wrong?

And then there is the NBA’s “each series lasts 3 weeks” game plan. How is that one for you?

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler's remarks are fresh

What’s the point of asking a player questions if we expect the same answer no matter the player or situation. Interviews are so pointless today because we either expect the prototype answer or we’re hoping to be able to criticize the player’s response and make a story out of it.

“Rudy was a good coach, we wish him luck, we need to concentrate on next year… yada yada yada”

I appreciate a player who expresses his actual opinion and answers with honesty. He stood up for his coach, he’s grown a lot as a hitter under Rudy, and I completely understand his distaste for this move. Why lie about it?

by BuckyB on Oct 14, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As for Rudy:
Over the course of Jaramillo’s 15 years as hitting instructor, the Rangers rank in the top six in baseball in batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage.

He’s one year removed from having the number 1 offense. Except this year, we took away his highest OBP hitter, and filled the lineup with incredibly young hitters (Salty, Davis, Elvis, Borbon, Tea, etc).

Then you have Hamilton’s inexplicable lack of performance—the team’s best hitter fell of the map and experienced injuries, clearly not Rudy’s fault. Did you expect Rudy to get more production out of Cruz? Byrd? Murphy? Do you believe he is the cause for Blalock looking worse than he ever has as a big league hitter? Kinsler went through a terrible slump… and I guess this is the only player about who I would listen to an argument blaming Rudy for.

If you want to implement change, you need to change the hitters. If you have complaints about the hitters swinging in 3-0 counts, give him the take sign.

Rudy has his players’ faith, and gets them to work hard. Having multiple hitting “greats” vouch for his worthiness should be enough for this team, when we won’t even have a replacement.

Did he make Teixeira a hacker? Did he make Milton a hacker? Did he turn Jones into a hacker? No. Hitting coaches aren’t going to dramatically change a proven hitters’ approach. They help with subtleties, and invoke confidence in their hitters.

Rudy has an incredible track record, and I believe this decision to pursue him more carefully is short-sighted.

I realize that I’m in the minority here, and if this is honestly ALL the Rangers could do to keep Rudy, then whatever, it was going to happen anyway. If the team in anyway didn’t do what they needed to to keep Rudy, then I think this was a big mistake.

Just my opinion

by BuckyB on Oct 14, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A lot of Hamilton's troubles were injury-related

But Rudy did screw around with his swing in spring training for no good reason. I’m just sayin.

by mikedallas45 on Oct 14, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hamilton is the one who initiated those changes

And he did so last August

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Oct 14, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if Hamilton didn't want to mess with his swing

his swing wouldn’t have been messed with

by BuckyB on Oct 14, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With a lot of these guys it is hard to say who to credit or blame

Byrd has done well, and fits the classic Rudy success mold we all know (e.g., GMJ)

Cruz? He bounced around a lot, but his “clicking” occurred mostly in AAA, and it is pretty obvious that someone (either Wash or Rudy) doesn’t like him.

Murphy? That isn’t someone to take much credit for. His style is also almost anti-Rudy; I’d say he is who he is, and that is who we have.

Blalock? He was the “next George Brett” at one time. Now he’s a failure who tried to hit home runs in every at bat for 4 years.

Kinsler? His potential is awfully reminiscent of the 2003-2004 Hank Blalock, but the end of last year he looked too 2006-2009 Blalock-y out there.

Hamilton? Injuries, yeah. But when he wasn’t injured he didn’t look so great either.

Davis? That hasn’t worked out so well

Salty? That hasn’t worked out at all

Basically, with Rudy I see a guy who can take a broken hitter and make him into a star. I also see a guy who hasn’t ever met a hitter he didn’t think he could fix. “Don’t fix what ain’t broken” doesn’t exist in his mind. He tinkers with everyone, and so when it works, he’s revered, but when he fails, they fade away. So you have a selection bias for his success stories.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Oct 15, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MY speaks

Money quote.

“He harped on it all the time,” Young said. “He wasn’t taking full swings at pitches in the dirt and he wasn’t encouraging it either. His goal was not to put balls into the seats, it was about making us into tough outs. It was about confidence and toughness and those are the two best attributes a player can have.”

Maybe eveyone wasn’t listening.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Oct 14, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he might have left

because he got tired of speaking to deaf ears.

by MikeEl on Oct 14, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take Blalock for instance

Great hitter for some years in his career under Rudy.

Terrible hitter for some years in his career under Rudy.

by BuckyB on Oct 14, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If nobody is listening whose fault is that?

It’s not that I blame the guy for everything, but if the hitting sucks the hitting instructor has to take some of the blame. That dude got a lot of credit over the years. Fair’s fair.

by Black Francis on Oct 14, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it doesn't matter how much credit he got

the first part of your statement is what is important. sometimes the best coaches lose their effect on a team.

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw

THAT’S what you say in that situation. See how Young’s comments praise RJ and still recognize the offensive inefficiencies?

"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)

by ab03 on Oct 14, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So just for future reference

if the Rangers’ offense sucks again next year how many of you are going to be lamenting the loss of Rudy?

And if the converse is true and the Rangers’ offense excels, how many of you are going to say it’s all because Rudy’s gone?

by MikeEl on Oct 14, 2009 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Neither will be the right answer, imo

maybe that’s what you’re saying

by BuckyB on Oct 14, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know neither is the right answer

but I was more getting at how people on this board tend to overreact and overblame people, and their tendency to sometimes do a complete 180…

by MikeEl on Oct 14, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy on with Gac

Audio

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 14, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm hearing Mike and Mike

is it at the end of the clip?

by BuckyB on Oct 14, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Naw

The Rudy interview was the only audio clip I got.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 14, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff AJM.

I agree. And tough shit, Ian. You’re part of the problem. Your uppercutting ass just further reinforces the need for a new approach.

Jimmy Johnson for GM.

by txhc on Oct 14, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rudy on with Norm at 10:30

Listen online

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Oct 15, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I do wonder...

if some of the Rangers hitters will even listen to the new hitting coach.

Especially the vets like MY and Kinsler.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 15, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wash is the one they will need to be listening to

He will be preaching working counts, situational hitting, etc. The new hitting coach will just be repeating what Wash is saying.

|Space for Rent|

by RangerMad on Oct 15, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes....

another controversial comment by the egotistical and defensive Ian Kinsler.

The media will eat this up and take every opportunity to bait Kinsler into making more stupid comments……pretty much for the rest of his career. Which in turn….will make Kinsler become more and more defensive……and in the end, Ian will only be remembered as an idiot who couldn’t keep his mouth shut.

Be careful Ian……the media and fans will always win, they will never back down, and they will never let things go.

Wash is an idiot!!

by bspate on Oct 15, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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