Thursday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 15, 2009 10:02 AM CDT
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PrintThe big news this morning is, of course, the fallout from yesterday's announcement that Rudy Jaramillo won't be coming back...
Evan Grant says the Rangers made Rudy Jaramillo an offer they knew he was likely to decline, and made it clear that they wanted to see some changes from the hitters:
The offer also arrived with a set of directions for improving an offense that has become too liberal in its free-swinging approach and not focused enough on when manufacturing a run is necessary. About this, there is no doubt. The Rangers need to be a more effective, efficient offense.It was the contractual definition of being placed on probation. If the offense rebounded and if the management team stayed intact and the ownership situation was settled, there was no reason 16 years couldn't turn into 20 or even 25. But if things didn't go just so, then come this time next year, Rudy Jaramillo, at age 60, would be another statistic in the nation's growing unemployment numbers after spending 27 years of a 32-season career in the Rangers' organization.
Richard Durrett has some quotes from Michael Young and Josh Hamilton, who aren't happy about Jaramillo leaving.
Jeff Wilson writes that Jon Daniels, Nolan Ryan and Jaramillo all agreed changes were needed in the team's approach.
Tim Cowlishaw writes that the Rangers now appear to be farther away from their goal of being a playoff team than they did a year ago.
Randy Galloway is cranky, and takes a shot at...someone, I'm not sure who:
Any stupidity that Ryan "scolded" Rudy after this season for his hitting philosophy is so far off base it doesn’t register, except with a mouthy group of local geeks, who wouldn’t know a baseball clubhouse from a YMCA shower.
I acknowledge being a geek who has never been in a baseball clubhouse, but I'm also not local, nor have I said Ryan "scolded" Jaramillo, so I'm not sure who Galloway is referring to. If someone has a suggestion, let me know.
Galloway also has some angry Michael Young quotes about how, if Chris Davis was quoted as saying he "never connected" with Rudy, that it must have been taken out of context, and that players on other teams want to work with Rudy.
Richard Durrett also contemplates whether the players needed a different voice:
Do the Rangers need a different voice in the batting cages? I think some of them do and some of them don't. I'll be interested to see who the Rangers get to take Jaramillo's place and how he handles some hitters on this team that have good pedigrees, but had disappointing seasons.
If it were me, I would have kept Jaramillo. I just don't buy the idea that he's lost it because the club had one disappointing offensive season. But let's see how the next guy does and whether the Rangers' hitters alter their approach (I think they will).
I'm not feeling good, so I'm not going to dwell on the "one disappointing season in fifteen years" meme right now, but I will...
Durrett also analyzes the catching situation from 2009 and going forward into 2010...
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When Michael Young doesn't like something...
…generally speaking I’m happy.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Oct 15, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
+1
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
Cowlishaw gem
“All we know for sure is that whatever money can be found for the Rangers to spend this winter, it won’t be on big-name free agents or Rudy Jaramillo.”
That pretty much sums up this upcoming offseason. Let’s just hope the FO doesn’t fuck anything up so badly that we can’t return to playoff-competitive status in ’11.
This is all very murky.
Was Rudy J’s one year offer another way of putting him on some kind of probation or was this organization unable to make more than a one year deal because of the ownership situation?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
that was a nice exchange
between two LSB vets. See, it can be done. Everyone take notice and please follow suite.
Yes We Can! Yes We Can! Yes We Can!
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shut up, dork.
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by t ball on Oct 15, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
how is your
anxiety? Blood pressure?
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
good
then the future of LSB is safe. Carry on…..
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Embed the bold phrases inside the pic code
Screw with the numerical values until you’re happy!
And remember… ALWAYS PREVIEW
by oc on Oct 15, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice url, Ollie
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
It's the offseason
which means that Michael Young is unhappy about something. He is becoming the Rangers answer to Greg Ellis.
"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008
by kentbenfer on Oct 15, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
At least Young is not crying about money every year...
unlike Ellis…given the choice, I’d rather listen to MY than Ellis
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Oct 15, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
What possible money complaint could MY have?
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Oct 15, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Young is probably sick
of being part of an organization in a top 5 media market that is operated in a half-ass manner when so many of his former teammates (who are in or have been in the post-season since leaving Texas) don’t have to put up with that crap.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
ENCORE! ENCORE!
What kind of flowers should I throw on the stage?
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
you know what else is unfortunate
that you learned how to type…not very well mind you…but clearly you learned the basics of it….damn…
Fuck Mike Estabrook
If someone is willing to take his contract, I'm sure the Rangers might listen.
Would Young trade half of his paycheck to play for, say, the Cubs?
That was not my point...Ellis' act got old because it was always about money...
I’m just saying that I’d rather listen to MY gripe about having to move from 2nd to SS to 3B than listen to an athlete gripe about not getting paid enough.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Oct 15, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Ellis
Also complained about moving from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 LB
by Topgun22 on Oct 15, 2009 10:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If MY weren't already grossly overpaid...
…he would eventually get around to bitching about money.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
MYoung has earned the right to say what the hell he wants to.
One of the reasons he’s considered The Man in the clubhouse is because he’s not a stooge for management.
Losing Rudy J sucks (to him and quite a few other players).
I like the fact that MYoung speaks up.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
So, just to sum up:
According to Jay Donuts, this is the deal:
MY has the right to say whatever he wants about Rudy because what MY says is the TRUTH! He’s no stooge for management.
…Except when MY gave a very public and on-camera hug to Davis when he was recalled. That is NOT the truth; that was just Young being nice, or something, because Davis’ recall was universally hated by all.
by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, if MY had any principles
He would have refused the move to 3B. But he didn’t, so he’s a stooge for management.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Yeah, I realize MY is different
than Ellis. Ellis was bitching about money and Young is not. Young is overpaid as we know. But almost every offseason Young is complaining about moves made or moves that are not made. Some of his complaining is justified. My only original point is that he always seems to be complaining.
"Thank God for Feldman." - Ron Washington to Eric Nadel, August 2008
The one-year offer
Grant’s interpretation of that makes sense. Obviously Rudy knows he’ll have some nice offers.
That said, I didn’t realize Jaramillo had been here so long. And the team offense numbers have been posted around in comments already.
Part of Rudy’s unemployment is on young starting position players, the catchers especially, and Ham’s nadir of a slash line. I’m okay with making a change, though.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Oct 15, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
Why...
..do so many people get caught up in the very binary, black or white, he’s either a good coach or he’s not. Why would Durrett imply that the Rangers think Rudy has “lost it”?
Are these people so out of touch with reality that they don’t understand the very real and regular scenario where someone who is good or even excellent at their job is simply no longer a fit for where they are? Good people move on to new positions all the time, and sometimes lesser qualified and lesser talented people come along and do that job better because they’re a better fit.
Also, since when is the blanket endorsement of a coach proof positive that a coach is still the right fit for a team? Go poll the Cowboys locker room and see how many players would like to get rid of Wade and bring back Parcells. I imagine the number would be very low. Because those players are comfortable and enjoy not having their asses chewed. It’s obviously not the same relationship with a hitting coach, but there’s certainly the possibility that some players love Rudy simply because he doesn’t push them out of their comfort zones. And I think we all know that some players need to be shoved out of their comfort zones.
Millwood loved Mark Connor. Still speaks very highly of him. I don’t think anyone, media or otherwise, is willing to quibble with getting rid of Connor now.
If someone in the media wants to disagree not giving Rudy a longer contract, fine. But if they’re only defense is that he’s a good hitting coach then they need to give it some more thought. That’s not a final answer on whether someone should remain in their current position.
It's pretty elementary
The Dallas media makes it’s bucks keeping the Cowboys in the public consciousness.
Simple as that
If the media got it’s story right with the Rangers, nobody would buy it; why would they? What the hell have the Rangers done?
The Dallas media can always get their analysis ‘right’ with the Cowboys because everybody loves the Cowboys. The Cowboys sell
The sooner you people acknowledge this, the sooner you people turn off your radios and skip past the 10 o’clock news… The sooner we can live in harmony as Rangers fans
by oc on Oct 15, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rudy...
I’m certainly not in “the room”, but from an outsiders perspective it seemed that Rudy only did 1/2 his job. When it comes to teaching and correcting swing mechanics, there may not be anyone better. That said, it seems he completely ignored teaching “Approach”. If he had stessed a better approach it would have had to have rubbed off a little, and we wouldn’t have seen so many hitters (Byrd) swinging at the 1st pitch after a four pitch walk, or trying to hit a 3-run HOUR down by 1 in the 9th.
by Topgun22 on Oct 15, 2009 10:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Stupid Blackberry
That’s supposed to say “3-run HR”
by Topgun22 on Oct 15, 2009 10:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree
I think all you can do is talk about approach and hope it translates… hitting a ball is ridiculously difficult, and having a hitting coach who is famous for working on mechanics seems like an asset I wouldn’t want to lose
not hating on your opinion, just giving my own
16 years is an eternity in baseball
Of course, the new hitting coach, like Maddux, is likely to benefit from circumstances a bit. Several players underperformed in 2009, and if just a couple regress in a positive direction he’ll look good.
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I was talking with a friend about this last night...
…Rudy outlasted Melvin, Hart, Fuson, Oates, Narron and Showalter.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Oct 15, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Any hitting coach...
…for the Rangers next year is likely to benefit from a simple regression to the mean in things like OBP and walks. Doesn’t mean he’s better, just right place, right time.
by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for repeating
what I said.
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by t ball on Oct 15, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wut?
You never mentioned regression to the mean.
by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
They are also much more global and vague.
I’m sorry it was so offensive to tball to be more specific.
by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The word "regress"
which I did type, also implies regression, imho.
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wow
pleasant exchange earlier with Josey but lopping poor FuturePants’ balls off. Interesting…..
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm kind of on tball's side here
(if sides are being taken).
It was pretty clear to me that his original post was talking about regression to the mean.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 15, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
clearly tball is correct.
it was his style that was abrasive. I enjoy the style, just a bit out of character for tball, imo.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I used the word regress
that’s kind of what I was getting at. I didn’t mean to get all up in his face about it.
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OMG, someone is in meme-land talking to Norm
All I heard was a chicken squacking, but i think he said something about Sosa and OBP…
I am going to call and bring up the Baines trade again, because that is so topical.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Yeah
That must have been Josey.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 15, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a history of incompetence, flyboy.
With GM and NoPrez walking lockstep, there’s little left to bitch about other than boring Galloway heaves at relevance, and the departure of the esteemed hitting coach [curls lip].
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 15, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, the sting...
T_T
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
OT Q:
aint the ’Huskers like 10 pt favorites over my Red Raiders? I need a bookie, quick.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't gamble, but here is the experts' picks:
Nebraska 38, Texas Tech 27 Jimmy Burch, Ft. Worth Star-Telegram
Nebraska 28, Texas Tech 17 Ralph D. Russo, The Associated Press
Texas Tech victory Zach Long, Lubbock Avalance-Journal
Nebraska 34, Texas Tech 24 Adrian Fiala, Big Red Wrap-Up
Nebraska 42, Texas Tech 31 Kevin Kugler, Big Red Wrap-Up
Nebraska victory Pete Fiutak, CollegeFootballNews.com
Nebraska victory Richard Cirminiello, CollegeFootballNews.com
Nebraska victory Matthew Zemek, CollegeFootballNews.com
Nebraska victory Michael Bradley, CollegeFootballNews.com
Nebraska 31, Texas Tech 28 John Tamanaha, MSNBC.com
Nebraska victory Jeff Lippman, CBSSports.com
Nebraska 38, Texas Tech 28 The Sports Network
Nebraska 27, Texas Tech 24 Jim Gilstrap, The Sporting News
Nebraska 28, Texas Tech 17 Matt Hayes, The Sporting News
Nebraska 31, Texas Tech 21 Steve Greenberg, The Sporting News
Nebraska 35, Texas Tech 34 Brian McLaughlin, The Sporting News
Nebraska 27, Texas Tech 17 Dave Curtis, The Sporting News
Nebraska 38, Texas Tech 35 Derek Samson, The Sporting News
Nebraska victory J. Darin Darst, CBSSports.com
Nebraska victory Dennis Dodd, CBSSports.com
Nebraska victory Jason Horowitz, CBSSports.com
Nebraska victory Johnny Rosenstein, CBSSports.com
Nebraska victory Tom Deinhart, Rivals.com
Nebraska victory Mike Huguenin, Rivals.com
Nebraska victory Olin Buchanan, Rivals.com
Texas Tech victory Jason King, Rivals.com
Nebraska victory Gerry Ahern, Rivals.com
Nebraska 38, Texas Tech 35 The Harmon Forecast
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
"experts"
woops.
I don’t gamble either, but would have made some good money here, as I was feeling very confident about this game.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 17, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Please...
to compare Jaramillo to myself and others who are part of this country’s unemployment statistic is asinine.
Even if he did come back for one more season and the teams offense didn’t improve. He would still have 4 or 5 teams lining up for his services. Even at the age of 60.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
and his savings
cash stash is probably just a tiny bit better than most have to get them through tough times.
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Yeah...
I’m sure it would be real tough on him, but somehow he’d manage.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Rudy was going to accept the offer
But on further thought, he wanted the security of a longer than one year deal. Has not been contacted by any other clubs yet, as his contract does not expire until the 31st.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Says club missed MB and Vasquez (?!)
And blamed the youth on the club, and injuries.
Says he took it personal when the club struggled on offense, and he takes full responsibility.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Milton Bradley would not have helped this club this year much at all
Except to add to our “LOB” stat
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Doubt it.
He would have led the Rangers in OBP, for a low OBP team like the Rangers, I suspect his impact would have been pretty large, especially if they had him instead of Blalock.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
2 less than last year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
His biggest asset last year was not his 400 OBP
It was the .321 average to go along with it. That allowed guys in front of him (Hamilton mainly) to be more patient because they didn’t have to do all the work themselves. Our club this year was way too many solo homeruns because guys had no confidence in the others behind them to drive them in if they walked. Guys started pressing and it trickled down to all aspects of the offense. Batting averages dropped, on base dropped. A 400 OBP Bradley who rocked a .310+ average would have helped this team. But a 380 OBP Bradley who had a sub .260 average wouldn’t have very much.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
bigsteve
You think a .310 hitter with a .325 obp is more valuable than a player who hits .260 with a .400 obp?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
No it doesn't
The player with the .400 obp is far more valuable because he is going to score more runs and see more pitches.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
What if their lines are
.310/.325/.500 and .260/.400/.425? Who do you want leading off and who do you want hitting 5th?
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The other reason it's helpful, is OBP's are predictably, quite often
Avg is very dependent on BABIP, so as Hank can attest, when you don’t walk, your average is likely to jump around quite a bit (unless you have a particular trend that allows for consistency, such as Ichiro’s infield hits)
I hit the .400 obp player 5th and the .325 obp player
with the nice slugging percentage 6th.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If the guys behind him are hitting .240 and .250 hes not gonna score many more runs
And all those walks he takes aren’t gonna drive in any runs.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If the guys behind him...
…have good slugging percentages and OBPs, it won’t matter if they are hitting .250 or .300.
I don’t believe that a .300/.350/.450 hitter is going to result in more runs being scored than a .250/.350/.450 hitter.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 15, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
But...
Wouldn’t that mean that a walk is statistically identical to a single in run generation? Is that true?
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
No
Because if you replace singles with walks, it means a lower slugging percentage.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 15, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
But walks don't drive in runs
Singles can. The players with those lines may score the same amount of runs but the guy with the .300 average will drive in more
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Listen to this
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 15, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Haven't got all the way through it yet but go to around 2:20 in
Theo says he gets on base, he draws walks, and he has good hitters hitting behind him. Yes when you have that walks are good. Just like I wouldn’t care if Borbon put up a .230 average leading off if he has a good OBP. Why? Because with his baserunning ability and who he has hitting behind him, getting on base is the most important thing.
But if you have guys hitting .250 and .240 behind you walks aren’t going to have the effect they would if you had a .290 or .300 hitter behind you.
To Adams point above. If you have a guy on 2nd or 3rd with two outs who do you want to see coming to the plate? The guy whos hitting 300/350/450 or the guy hitting 250/350/450?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
On average a
1B is 1.44 times more valuable than a BB. At least according to this old 24 base/out states chart.
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You see even less scoring from 2B
on an out.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
good lord
the point is the player more likely to get a hit in that situation is more valuable…
Fuck Mike Estabrook
That's not the point dumbass.
The point is that while a hit is more valuable than a walk, the most valuable thing a player can do is not make an out. Not making an out is much more important than getting a 1B over a BB. Follow?
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 16, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Which line would you rather have?
Type: Line1: Line2:
1B 50 83
2B 20 18
3B 5 4
HR: 14 10
BB: 56 29
PA: 414 414
Each one has the exact slash stats as stated above.
You’re getting 27 more walks, 4 more HRs, and 2 more 2Bs at the cost of 33 singles between batter 1 and batter 2.
Between those two lines, I’m hard pressed to really pick one over the other, but i think I lean toward the 250/350/450 due to the additional power numbers, and the fact that walks are less variable than hits — so it’s a more reliable batter to depend on for consistency.
I think linear weights might value type 1 higher because while a single is more valuable than a BB, the HRs and extra base hits are valued significantly higher than the singles — to an extent that it would outweigh the difference between the 29 BBs to singles. — but regardless, this would be very close.
If my math is right...
Line 1 results in a wOBA of .35077
Line 2 results in a wOBA of .34695
I also prefer a higher OBP, since there are extra positive effects from taking a greater number of pitches per plate appearance.
Great, then line 1 is better
And that is exactly a .250/.350/.450 split, as compared to a .300/.350/.450 split.
XBHs drive in more runs than singles do
And in the second line, you are getting more XBHs.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 15, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
A 380 OBP would have been
huge, especially if you were dumping the 277 OBP Blalock to make room for him.
The problem with this team was way too many sub 300 OBP steaming piles of dogshit in this lineup making outs all the time.
Replace Bradley for Blalock, and its 50 less outs and 50 more baserunners.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
But with the rest of the team hitting .250
Those 50 extra baserunners probably only means a dozen more runs if that. It means a whole lot more men left on base
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Only
if you use bigsteve™ math.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
BigSteve-o on the chalkboard.
So you’re saying that Bradley is a 1.2 win better player than Hank? I don’t think so. Maybe twice that.
I’d go ahead and assume that about 30 out of the 50 get stranded. Not every time you reach base results in a trip to 1B, especially with Milton and his SLG. It is easier to score from 2B,3B, than 1B. Ceterus paribus — not exact, but much more reasonable? It seems 20 additional runs would be in the relevant range.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 15, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I was assuming Cahill was only talking about replacing outs with walks.....my bad
But still….Bradley hit only about 23 points better than Hank so of those 50 extra baserunners not many are gonna come from hits. Its mostly walks. I would say probably only 2 or 3 of those extra baserunners would have been extra base hits. Everyone else would have been either singles or walks. Which, with the way our team was this past year, means he wouldn’t score very often. Thats why I only assumed an extra 12 runs. It may get up to 15 or so but I can’t imagine it would be in the 20 range
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If you replace 50 outs with 50 walks
What about the extra PAs that occur?
If you assume that we’ve just added atleast 50 PAs across the length of a season, that’s an extra AB for another player in every game. Even more if some of those PAs result in additional walks or hits (at a .300 OBP, that’s an extra 72 PAs after compounding, excluding GIDPs)
Suppose if it brings up M Young in the 9th because 1 extra guy was left on in a 1-run deficit game and he comes through?
Or, because of the extra man left on, there is a triple with a man at 3rd with 1 out instead of 2 outs and the fly ball that ended the inning in one case, now ties it in the new case?
I think you’re heavily underestimating the impact of avoiding 50 outs across a season on runs scored. Avoiding the out is more important than anything else because it leaves possibilities open.
It’s not just about the extra man on base — it’s about extending the number of chances available.
Simply replace the 1B we had (.226 batting average /.272 obp) with Adrian Gonzales
(.277 batting average/.407 obp) and I betcha we score more than 850 runs this past year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
If we're off changing our 1B why not go with Pujols?
And since the catchers weren’t so hot I’d like Mauer too.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
That's the ticket!
Can we get Cy Young to front the Roto too? Eh, that’s too far…howsabout C.C?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
No you havent established anything to me
I am not against walks let me make that clear. But the way some people insist that walks automatically lead to more runs baffles me. Major league pitchers don’t walk guys around the bases.
In June and July when the Angels were making their move what was the big stat that everyone was so amazed at? It was that all 9 guys in their lineup were sporting batting averages over .300. When you have a team like that you are able to manufacture runs and thus walks are good and really helpful. A team with those kinds of averages is able to string together 3,4,5 hits in an inning so mixing in a walk or two does help alot.
Our team this year did not string together very many multi hit innings. We were very much boom or bust. Almost like we were waiting on the 3 run homerun all the time. Didn’t we go something like 15 or 16 straight homeruns being solo shots at one time this summer?
Its all a mindset. Baseball is a team game. How many times have you heard someone say "the team is struggling so I have to do more. Its normal human nature that if your team is struggling you as an individual put more pressure on yourself to do more. So when a guy comes up and knows that the guys hitting behind him are rocking sub .260 averages he knows that for him to score a run and help his team hes probably gonna need to either hit a homerun (and do it himself) or get an extra base hit so that instead of relying on multiple guys to get him home he only needs one guy to get another hit and score him. So he may start swinging at those borderline pitches that had he let them pass may have been balls but he knows a walk, or a single, probably isn’t gonna help the team in the end.
Last year Bradley hit .321. And the guys hitting 5th (Byrd and Blalock) both hit around .290. That allowed Josh to go up there and be more patient. If he drew a walk he knew the guys behind him could bring him around. If Bradley walked he knew the guys behind him could bring him around. And so on and so on. This year Hamilton went to the plate with Andruw Jones behind him who hit what…214? Drawing a walk with a .214 hitter behind you is going to result in a man left on base a vast majority of the time. Thats why I believe Wash hit Byrd cleanup so much. To try and let the guys hitting 1-3 relax and give them a sense that if they get on Byrd will bring them home.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
My problems with your argument
Firstly, there is no point in arguing the psychological effects, seeing as neither of us are experts on what’s going on inside MY’s head…
a) You look at a .300 avg and a .250 avg as “a hit” and “not a hit”… this is flat out wrong. A .250 hitter is plenty capable of driving in tons of runs
To further emphasize (classic example), over 600 at bats, this roughly translates to one additional hit per week between the two batters.
b) Angels example doesn’t work. Of course a team with 9 300 hitters is going to score a ridiculous amount of runs. Likewise, if a team had 9 .400 OBP players, they would score an extraordinary amount of runs.
A team with those kinds of averages is able to string together 3,4,5 hits in an inning so mixing in a walk or two does help alot.
Likewise, a team that strings together a few walks followed by a hit will do a lot of damage
c)
Our team this year did not string together very many multi hit innings. We were very much boom or bust.
We did not string together many innings where we had either multiple hits or walks… this doesn’t give any light as to whether a walk instead of a single would just lead to a higher LOB.
d)
Drawing a walk with a .214 hitter behind you is going to result in a man left on base a vast majority of the time.
Assuming Jones was a .400 OBP player, he would be left on base (without seeing the next batter) about 60% of the time. This is less often than a large majority of big league hitters.
Rudy says
the reason the OBP was better was because Milton Bradley and Ramon Vazquez set the tone. This years leadership, like FOTF and Byrd, are not particularly patient players.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
While not patient, they did set a deafening tone for the year.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 15, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
shouldn't the coach dictate the tone?
and MY is a pretty unique player – he’s a very talented hitter. Few hitters will be able to maintain the BABIP that Young can.
Go Rice Owls!
He did set the tone
by wildly outperforming any reasonable expectation.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Oh, I totally agree.
It just makes me laugh to hear “set the tone” reference a player who ended 2008 with a wOBA of .346, and a BABIP 42 points higher than his career average.
I’m so, so glad that the Rangers didn’t re-sign him.
Classic Galloway
He talks about how others have claimed that Davis said he “didn’t connect” with Rudy although Galloway never saw this statement. Also, he spoke to Davis who said he loved Rudy. Despite all this, Galloway still asks Young about an alleged statement by Davis Galloway doesn’t even know whether it happened and all indications point that it didn’t.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
so
Galloway and Josey are alike.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 15, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis did said something (paraphrasing here) about
not connecting with Rudy J when he was here before being sent back down.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Not the point
Why would Galloway ask MY about Davis’s statement when 1) Galloway doesn’t even know if Davis said it; and 2) Davis’s prior statement indicates he didn’t?
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Here's hypothetical conversation:
RG: “Hey MY, what if I told you that Davis said he and Rudy never really connected?”
MY: “Wow, did Davis really say that about Rudy?”
RG: “Beats the shit out of me. But what if he did?”
That’s not reporting or being a journalist.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Concur...
I was just poking fun at the “great writer.”
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I don't even think it is one bad season
Yeah, from 1994-2008, in most years this team’s offense was far better than its pitching. But it was always a flawed offense; a one-dimensional approach that yielded a large RS/G but with a high variance and a poor outlook against teams with really good pitching.
Case in point, the playoff experiences of 1996, 1998, and 1999. Note how good the Rangers pitching was in those years, and how BAD the offense was. Other than Juan Gonzalez in 1996, I don’t think any Ranger hitters ever showed up for the playoffs.
My point is that Rudy’s style, while successful for 16 years, succeeded in creating hitters able to put up gaudy stat lines but without the disciplined, consistent approach necessary to win it all. The best hitters under his tutelage: Juan, ARod, Pudge, Young; they were going to put up near HOF numbers regardless of who their coach was. With the average hitter, Rudy bulked up the line, trading OBP for SLG and added huge variance to this offense. I’m happy he is leaving.
The offense this year was bad. Considering the talent level in the lineup, it was downright horrible. It is silly to fire Mark Connor for failing with no talent, when Rudy fails with that much talent. Tim Cowlishaw is just wrong. The Rangers today are much better than they were two days ago.
Go Rice Owls!
In those 3 series,
the Yankees scored more than 5 runs TWICE.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
I'm stubbornly holding onto my belief that our team is going to be negatively affected by Rudy's departure
But this is the best argument I’ve read yet… I still blame personnel for our slugging ways rather than Rudy, but that’s just me and my belief in how baseball players receive coaching
I view 2010 as shaky
with or without Rudy J
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Alright.
No time like the present – give us your W-L prediction with the guys on the team right now for 2010. I’ll allow you to amend as FA signings/trades are made.
by FuturePants on Oct 15, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
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Fuck off, gossip queen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy restates leaving the Rangers was all on him, all his decision
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Classy
He also said that he negotiated for himself and initially stated that he would consider a one-year deal and something like, “maybe I should have asked for a multi-year deal”. Absolutely no finger pointing, blame, or bitterness. Uncertainty regarding ownership and other jobs (?) opening up this year played a big role in his decision.
by Powder Blue Red Shoe on Oct 15, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree on all points
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Chris Davis discussing Rudy J
“Rudy and I haven’t had a chance to work together as much as guys like Mike or Hank or Ian, guys that he’s been around for several years," Davis said. "This was really our first year to work together. We had a tough time staying on the same page because neither one of us really knew how to go about it. He would suggest certain things that would work for a few games, and then it wouldn’t work. It’s not Rudy’s fault. We worked as much as we could. He did everything that he could to help me."
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Galloway suggestion
I read that dribble as a poorly veiled shot at you [and your constituents], Newberg [and his], or both.
Did anyone read it differently?
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 15, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions
Newberg has been very, very quiet about both Tom Hicks
and the Rudy J situations.
I don’t even know where AJM’s stance is with Rudy.
The person who was calling for Rudy’s job was Hindman back in July.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
AJM gave his stance yesterday
Given where this team is now, given how it is being build, given what the front office and manager appear to want from their hitters and want to see improvement in, this may be the best thing for both parties. I don’t think it is Rudy Jaramillo’s fault that the Rangers looked so awful offensively so often this past season…but I also don’t know that, given the particular issues afflicting this team, that Rudy was necessarily the best choice out there to implement the improvements the team wants to see from its hitters.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Uh-oh, AJM is passionately taking the middle ground..
That’s going to get him labelled and apologist for someone. Just watch.
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
So Old Man Urine is going after Hindman now?
Haha, he’ll take a shot at anyone that will listen. How lonely.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 15, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't imagine him going after mjh (who has been very quiet lately).
I imagine RG is going after the huge dumbass factor in LSB. Not ajm but the masses.
Is there worse radio anthrax than Norm with JJT aka “Jacques Talk”?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Grandpa Urine
reads LSB? Yeah, right.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 15, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Grandpa Urine == Josey Wales
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 15, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Josey Wales == Grandpa Urine puppet
If you made as much mula to basically be retired as Galloway makes, I dunno how much time you’d spend on blogs :)
Josey
Is Bill Plaschke. That explains the one sentence paragraphs and Dodger fondness
by WhiplashWhiteside on Oct 15, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you really saying that Galloway wrote a newspaper article targeting commentors to this blog?
Really? Is that what you’re saying?
a mouthy group of local geeks, who wouldn’t know a baseball clubhouse from a YMCA shower.
Obviously, Yes.
he gets closer to the "get off my lawn" stereotype every day...
The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano
Also, "very, very quiet?"
Interesting. I stumbled upon this line addressing the topic in yesterday’s report:
A Jaramillo hiring would qualify as an instant splash by the new Cubs ownership group.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 15, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he would be referring to Jamey as Mike...
as geeks who wouldn’t know the inside of a clubhouse. Mike knows the insides of clubhouses, I’ve been told, by no less and authority than Mike himself. And Jamey would seem to have as much “clubhouse contact” as Galloway.
"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin
x
@VictorRojas29 Bidders for #texasrangers to meet w/ mgmt…hope to have winning bid by November, sale done by end o yr. http://tinyurl.com/yl3ebvn #mlb
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
I can't think of much better than that.
Get it done.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
Of all the things that have happened with
This Thing, the most important was Tom Hicks getting run out of town on a rail.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 15, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
another nice round
of postings involving Josey. Seeeeeeeeeeeee. It aint that hard.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
well, if there's one thing this org knows about
it’s how to make an offer they know will be refused.
by SteveP on Oct 15, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Did Rudy say what he means and mean what he says?
by TooLegitToQuit on Oct 15, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Nolan's Learning Curve is complete.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Oct 15, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
How much a sure thing is it that Rudy goes to the Cubs?
There is one way they can contact him directly before the end of the month. Ask the Rangers / Daniels for permission. And the Rangers should allow the Cubs and any other National League team to start negotiations with Rudy immediately to put this behind them.
I say he goes to the Astros...
and takes Hank with him.
How great would that be?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Maybe the Rangers will hire
Cecil Cooper to be their hitting coach and he will bring Berkman with him. :)
|Space for Rent|
sounds good with me
but we couldn’t afford his contract
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Fine with me
Daniels voicemail message on his cellphone should be “If you are calling about asking permission to interview Rudy, permission granted.”
No reason why not to move on sooner and start their own search for a replacement. As for Hank, he is gone anyway you look at it so it does not really matter which team he goes to.
by Mark from OC on Oct 15, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
the Astros (in their infinite wisdom)
fired (or reassigned) all their coaches (including longtime first base coach Jose Cruz), but kept their hitting coach, Sean Berry, despite their miserable offensive performance. So no Jaramillo to Houston.
Could be hired as Manager
I’m sure he already has been approached by several teams’ agents.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
they already released their list of 10 candidates
and have started the interview process, don’t see it happening.
The bottom line...
and I’m sure someone has said this in a post somewhere on here is…
If the players didn’t want Rudy gone, they should have performed better. If they would have hit, Rudy would probably still be here.
is a fan of Derek Freaking Holland!
The bottom line...
If Rudy wanted to stay here, he should have signed the offer on the table, which was one year at current salary plus 3% COLA.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Are you implying
That the players merely needed to want to hit more and they would have?
Cuz that’s the only way that “bottom line” makes sense
Rudy has had his successes and failures
He’s known for his reclamation projects: he turned Byrd, De Rosa and GMJ around. Bradley had a career year here, although I don’t think that had much to do with Rudy. And DeRo actually had his best year after leaving.
But there are failures, too: Hidalgo, Nevin, Sosa, Jones, Shelton, Broussard to name a few.
And for some guys his influence might be negative:
- Tex has been a better hitter since he left
- Soriano was better before and after the being here (except for this year)
- Wilkerson was better before he came here.
- Blalock got worse every year he has been here
- Is Kinsler on the same path?
- Hairston had his worst season here
- Salty hasn’t hit like he was supposed to
- Davis has declined under Rudy (SSS)
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 15, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions
Galloway
So he’s saying he knows far more about the situation than any of us? How many games did Pawpaw Piss go to this year? How many games do you think he even watched on tv? Arrogant prick.
by WhiplashWhiteside on Oct 15, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions
Major OT
There’s a 6 year old kid in some kind of flying saucer balloon device in Colorado that is 7000 feet in the air.
How the hell do you get this down?
CNN/Fox News covering.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
That looks like a huge Jiffy Pop Popcorn somesuch.
They just said it was going 25 mph but it looks like it’s going a helluva lot faster.
This is the strangest thing I’ve ever seen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Depends on helicopter
supposedly in 2005, there was a copter landing on Everest, and there are choppers in Alaska that can land at 18K ft.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Supposedly National Guard is preparing for rescue mission
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Picture up on Drudge Report
with more details
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Drudge will try to tie this to Obama somehow.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
That whole family needs a fucking beating
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 15, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
they have to put a hole in it somehow they just said
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
This is the aeronautical version
of Jessica McClure Story.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
I know right and now they say the boy may have fallen out :(
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
that's awful
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
I bet one of Kinslers pop ups could bring it down
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
Evan Grant says the Rangers made Rudy Jaramillo an offer they knew he was likely to decline
Sounds like their exact modus operandi for free-agent ace pitchers.
RJohnson, Zito
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
That damn thing's coming down soon!
Hope it doesn’t crash too hard…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
it's only 7 feel long..
2 helicopters with a net
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
I thought they said it was 20' around
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
no thats what she said..
CNN just said it was 7 foot
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
Oh.
Gee, this expert is very boring, eh?
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
yes he needs to take sensationalism 101
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
odds that this boy
lives?
any prayer warriors out there? Time to commence
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Woosh!!!
You completely missed my lame joke…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
x
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I am watching on cnn.com
link posted above
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
went there 1st
are you getting audio there?
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Click the link I posted above, they are interviewing some expert now.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
"Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash."
Airplane.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Heh
And Denver has suspended northbound flights. I sent the link to my assistant at corp, she is in Denver.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
sounds like boy may be
dead if the helium compartment is not separate. Asphyxiation(sp?)
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
plus its got to be cold as hell up there....
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
breitbart
just said they will cut the footage when it lands.
Will CNN stay live?
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i think so...they haven't said otherwise
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
I'm not having a good feeling about this one either.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
/Steve McCroskey
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
the suspense of it is killing me..
Is he in there? Is he ok? will he survive? stay tuned.
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
11am MST when he went up
So about 2.5 hours so far, wow.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
I have a 5 yr
old daughter. Cant remotely imagine watching this play out if my kid was in there, This is a parents worst nightmare, being responsible for your child’s death
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions
CNN just said 400 feet from the ground
while Fox said 3000 feet.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
OMG
here we go
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
ON the ground.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
did the kid fall out
possibly?
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
is there any
doubt that the one brother climbed in, and the surviving brother untethered the ballon. He will have a tough go at life from here on out
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
yeh no shit like that movie... was it Ordinary People?
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
Not good, nobody is coming out.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
WTF are they acting scared of it?!?!?!
Jesus, get the kid outta there!!!
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
For serious
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
4 real
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh fuck.
Sounds like he did fall out…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Oh dear....
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
And the damn of it is
that landing looked pretty damn survivable.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
Confirmed by the local TV affiliate.
How damn sad…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
Not to be insensitive,
but I’ve always wondered who pays for this kind of stuff? and would the family be responsible for any repayment?
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Grown men walking away with negative body language.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Balloon is empty.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
would be kick ass
if the kid ran and hid once the balloon took off because he knew he would be in trouble.
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions
heh yeh that kid would be on all the major morning shows in the coming days
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
For some reason
I keep picturing that cute little boy scout kid that has been in the news the lost couple of days….
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions
If the little brother saw him fall out
it had to be close to their casa, correct?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
how old
is the brother
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
unless kid runs like Usaine Bolt
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:54 PM CDT reply actions
^^^^
failed reply to JW
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Failed joke alert:
That neighborhood must have had a lax HOA. That ballon shit would never fly in my bario.
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions
check this
family was on the show Wife Swap…..
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 15, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
after reading that I wouldn't be surprised if the boy ran away..
The father sounds like a real nasty nut job.
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
Publicity stunt?
Some are already saying that…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
yeh makes ya wonder with a family that is willing..
to go on wife swap for publicty/attention.
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
that was insane
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 15, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That chick on CNN
needs to get some tits.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Not with my ability to spell.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"thkning abligities"?
Is that a joke, or are you on a hand held device?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Oct 15, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
