Dealing with the centerfield situation in 2010
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 12:14 PM CDT
177 comments
One of the memes that's out there right now is that Marlon Byrd needs to be brought back -- even if it means giving him a multi-year deal -- because Julio Borbon isn't (or may not be) ready defensively to play centerfield in 2010, and thus we have to bring Byrd back.
Nevermind that he'd likely spend the majority of the deal as a vastly overpaid fourth outfielder...the Rangers want to contend in 2010, and they can't do that with Borbon in center in 2010, so Byrd must return.
But it seems to me the Rangers would be better off, in that situation, pursuing someone else -- Brewer centerfielder Mike Cameron.
Cameron had a .281 EQA last season, after a .279 EQA in 2008 and a .272 EQA in 2007. As a point of comparison, Marlon Byrd had a .266 EQA in 2009, a .289 EQA in 2008, and a .274 EQA in 2007.
Defensively, Cameron used to be an elite defender...he's probably not anymore, but he appears to still be very good. After a -10.6 UZR/150 in 2007 in center, he had a +15.6 in 2008 and a +6.1 in 2009.
Byrd has only about half the number of games Cameron has had in center over the past 3 years, but his UZR has come in at around even.
Both of these guys are in their decline years, and Cameron, being older, is going to decline more quickly than Byrd...but still, given a choice, factoring in both offense and defense, I think it is unlikely Byrd will significantly outperform Cameron in 2010.
So if you could land Cameron for, say, 1 year, $8 million (which seems like his likely cost in this economy), or Byrd for 3 years, $20 million, why wouldn't you take the guy that gives you a shorter-term commitment, given that you have Borbon in the wings?
0 recs |
177 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
Completely agree.
The only difficult part about this plan is whether Cameron would be interested in playing here. With Byrd, you know you can sign him. If you don’t sign him and he enters the FA pool and goes in another direction and then Cameron decides to go with another team, then you’re left with Borbon. I, personally, don’t think that’s a bad thing. The manager will be mad. But, maybe JD doesn’t care about that if he’s hearing from his pro scouts that Borbon is OK in CF.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did you just re-use this same post from 2005?
At least you updated the years.
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Oct 16, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Cameron
Would have been a good sign for 5 years, 4 years ago.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 16, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking something similar...
AJM has been on the Cameron-wagon for quite some time now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 16, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If
“Julio Borbon isn’t (or may not be) ready defensively to play centerfield in 2010”, then what makes you believe he will be ready in 2011?
If he is not ready defensively this year then he will never be ready. I always though his arm was the only issue defensively and really need to work on his approach offensively.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Oct 16, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Borbon isn't your long-term solution in CF...
…then the top priority this offseason is to find a long-term solution in CF.
You see if the Indians would be willing to part with Grady Sizemore for a salty collection of prospects, for example.
Byrd is not a long-term solution.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Byrd is the answer
I don’t agree with the question
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Oct 16, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore
If by “salty collection” you mean “half our farm system”, then sure.
by LiamP on Oct 16, 2009 1:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore was injured much of this year
so that might lower his price some of the Indians have an concerns about him. I think they’re going into full blown rebuilding mode too, so they’re probably looking to deal their more established players.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. He's out after his contract expires in '12.
They’ll deal him.
by JDT217 on Oct 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore would be a nice addition
But would probably cost Holand, Murphy, plus and plus..
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as the plus plus isn't Feliz and Smoak
I’m probably ok with that.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore will be prohibitively expensive.
FOTF (and incredibly marketable), 27, signed for dirt cheap until 2012, and he was one of the 10 best players in baseball as lately as 2008.
I’ve mentioned this before, but I’d rather go after Bossman Jr if I wanted to trade for a CF of the future. Despite his struggles, he still has massive upside offensively and he’s a defensive stud. He’s also younger and much easier to acquire than Sizemore.
by LiamP on Oct 16, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say even if you think Borbon might be the long term solution
still bring in Grady Sizemore instead.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would have to include Borbon
probably Borbon, Smoak, Kiker, plus.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that...
Borbon, Holland, Kiker, plus and I’m down for Sizemore.
Need to keep Smoak. Damn would it hurt me to deal Holland, but can’t get someone like Grady without giving up a talent like that.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 16, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll want 2 of Feliz, Holland, Smoak, and Perez in all likelihood
by JDT217 on Oct 16, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As well they should
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 16, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they would...
but they won’t get it. Especially with Sizemore coming off of an injury filled season.
If they won’t settle for a package centered around one of those guys then I can’t see a deal being done. JD and the FO have built this team through the farm system. They aren’t going to give up a large chunk of that for one player. We saw that this season with all the Halladay talks.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 16, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore >>> Halladay
Particularly if you get him during this upcoming offseason.
by JDT217 on Oct 16, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that also makes me wonder whether or not the Indians won’t wait until the trade deadline instead of selling low on Sizemore.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 16, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd be pretty stupid to trade him in the offseason, IMO
Unless they get the package they’d want if he’d still had a good season this year, there’s no real point for them to trade him.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 16, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron is an easy choice I think
Cameron is likely better than Byrd next year and then he is gone. I’d call that a better option than Byrd for 3 years.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
the team spent money on a more dangerous bat than a defense-first kind of guy. I don’t see them signing a guy like Cameron and another bat, so I’d rather have the better bat on a one-year deal.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 16, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But I think the argument is
If the team is convinced that it needs to spend on a centerfielder, then Cameron makes more sense because he can be had short term and is arguably more valuable than Byrd.
Basically, it is dumb for the Rangers to fill a perceived short term need with a bad long-term solution (Byrd). Adam is just introducing a short-term option for that problem. I’m with you that it isn’t even a problem area that needs to be addressed. You can argue about the battles you should be fighting, but you still have to fight the battles forced upon you well.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 16, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could be our McLemore
Drawing walks and doing veteran stuff. $8 million is a lot of money though
by WhiplashWhiteside on Oct 16, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember hearing that Colby Rasmus was available last offsesason
It would take a pretty good prospect package, and he is left-handed, but he would be a nice fit.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 16, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you do that...
…then presumably, you are either including Borbon in the deal, or else you’re trading him in another deal this offseason.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Borbon
But Rasmus has a way higher ceiling. He’s already light years ahead defensively, and profiles as a 30-plus home run guy. Of course, Rasmus is just wild speculation on my part. There’s no telling whether or not he’s even still available, or how much it would take to get him. But what good are offseasons if we can’t speculate wildly?
For the record: Cameron>Byrd.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 16, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see CF being the same type of problem
That 1B was this year….If Hamilton is Ham09 and not Ham08 and Byrd is gone….then there’s a big hole w/ no one to fill it (like Hank, after CD’s struggle’s, sorry Josey).
They have to have a plan B, as Borbon doesn’t look like a CF answer to me.
by tklawless on Oct 16, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would have to pay a LOT.....
….for Rasmus. Holliday and Ankiel are leaving the Redbirds. They are still very high on Rasmus. Mozeliak would have to be blown away by an offer to part with Colby.
by Hard8 on Oct 16, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m not saying my premise isn’t flimsy; but a boy can dream… After all, just because he was available last offseason doesn’t mean he’s available now. But that’s still a phone call I’d like JD to make.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 16, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you can get Cameron for less than
8M. Abreu was offered 2yrs/8Mper from the Angels. Is Abreu likely to get more than that? Yes, but the market is going to play just as big a role as last year considering most teams dropped in attendance this past year. Basically, I would think Cameron could be had for less than 8-10M.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 16, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Defensively they aren't even in the same ballpark
But overall, yes, Cameron is a better player than Abreu.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron
He could be 2010’s abreu, the guy who signed a cheap contract late and produces big.
Or he could turn out to be a broken down bust of a contract, but its a risk that would be worth taking if the rangers have the cash
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Oct 16, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron is fine...
But you’re going to need a bigger impact bat in the lineup to compete next year. And Cameron ain’t it.
by JDT217 on Oct 16, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not crazy about adding another 150 strikeouts to our lineup.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cameron gets on base, hits for power, and plays quality defense in center
If he does that, I could care less about the Ks.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he still would add 150 K's to a lineup that is already full of empty calories.
and Cameron’s .342 OBP and OPS lower than Byrd’s isn’t exactly exciting at this point in his career.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about 150 Ks?
If he performs like he did, for example, in 2008, he can strike out 150 times and I won’t care.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a .342 OBP as enough of an offset to justify 150 wasted AB's
and who in the hell cares about his .331 OBP in 2008 at this point? And at 37 years ols (in January), it’s not like he’s going to get better.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
If he had the same average, OBP and slugging, but he struck out 50 times instead of 150 times, then you’d be interested?
Because you are that hung up on strikeouts?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hung up on strikeouts if he's batting in the middle of the lineup
and striking out with men on base much of the time.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
…that there’s a material difference in runs scoring with having a guy who Ks a lot in the middle of the lineup, versus a guy who makes other kinds of outs in the middle of the lineup.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there's not a material difference between
a batter striking out or making a different kind of out why do you value pitchers with higher strikeout rates?
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeouts ARE worse than other outs!
especially when the line-up doesn’t walk to boot!
by tklawless on Oct 16, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
strikeouts and walks are separate things.
The problem isn’t with striking out; the problem is not getting on base. A person with alot of strikeouts can still get on base quite frequently.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers <> hitters
People care about strikeouts in pitchers because it has been shown that pitchers have very little control over the batting average of their opponents on balls in play. every strikeout is an out made without giving up a ball in play. Hence a pitcher with more strilkouts by pitchers meanes moe outs and less baserunners. and that correlates with future ability,
by iblum on Oct 16, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so by that same token,
wouldn’t you want a batter who puts the ball in play more often than striking out, especially when you need to advance runners with men on base?
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole "advancing runners" thing is meaningless
I did a post about this a couple of years ago, when people (ironically) were saying we shouldn’t get Adam Dunn because he strikes out too much…
I’ll see if I can find it.
But the idea that you can’t afford high-K guys because you need to advance runners or whatever is pretty meaningless. Ks are very slightly worse than regular outs, but even the difference between an Adam Dunn-rate of strikeout artist and an Ichiro-rate is a couple of runs a season.
Basically, if a guy can hit, he can hit. If a guy strikes out 150 times but puts up good slash numbers, you roll with him and don’t worry about the Ks.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
Except that hitters do have some control over their Batting average on balls in play, based on their line drive percentage and speed. Sure you want a Julio Borbon to hit more ground balls, as he’ll get more infield hits. but you don’t want that for Bengie Molina, since it will not only mean more outs, but more double plays. Of course all of that info is stored in other stats. The key is that high strikeout totals have a very hig utility in pitchers, if for no other reason than they correlate well with future performance. Low strikeout totals don’t correlate with high batting averages. only higher line drive percentage correlates well with future batting average.
by iblum on Oct 16, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, no difference between striking out and putting the ball in play
except for the small fact that you can’t have a BA or OBP if all you do is strikeout.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
We’re talking about Ks versus other kind of outs, not Ks versus hits.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know it's possible to not K a lot and still create a lot of outs, right?
Juan Pierre has only struck out more than 50 times once in his career, yet he has placed 1st twice, 2nd twice and 3rd once in outs created. That’s really shitty.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 16, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a team that didn't score enough runs due to poor situatiuonal hitting
while leading the league in strikeouts, paying $7-8 million to add 150 more strikeouts from a 37 year old doesn’t seem to be a move in the right direction to me. And to directly answer your question, I still wouldn’t pay $7-8 million for a 37 year old guy that has one .350 OBP season since 2001 to his credit. he simply doesn’t bring $8 miilion in value to this team at this point in his career.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why "this"?
What do you expect to get for a 1 year, $8 million deal?
$8 million for an above-average centerfielder seems like at least $8 million in value.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we should be making any 1yr/$8mill deal
for an old CF. Aside from that, I agree that we shouldn’t be looking to add a guy who strikes out that much to our lineup, especially when in all likelihood that rate will increase as he’s a year older. That’s also not counting whether he will perform as well moving back to the AL after several years in the NL. That might knock his numbers down even more. I say either go big with a trade, or just stick with Borbon.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's assume the organization decides Borbon isn't ready
He needs another half-season to season in AAA before he’s major league ready to handle CF.
What do you do for 2010?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off I don't think that happens
but if it does you go with Hamilton and Boggs (or Gentry of Boggs is still having arm trouble). Really, if the club decides their not sold on Borbon though, you make a big trade for a CF like Sizemore, go after Michael Bourn, or even sign Willy Tavares to a 1 yr deal, with the difference being that he’s a younger guy who will also not cost very much.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy fuck...
did you just say “or even sign Willy Tavares to a 1 yr deal”? My gawd….
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah as soon as I put that down I realized
it was a lapse in judgement.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still, I think I'd rather have Boggs
than Tavares though. But other guys I might try trading for would be Denard Span or Matt Kemp.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of those guys...
…are more COFs long-term than CFs. Span is already a COF, really, and Kemp is probably going to end up in RF in a year or two.
And Kemp would cost you more than Sizemore would. Or Roy Halladay was going to at the deadline.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're on quite the shitty post streak.
by brettgardner on Oct 16, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, such as hot-oil wrestling, foxy boxing, and such-and-such.
Rock Flag & Eagle Radio: Thursdays, 10 PM - 1 AM, on FM 88.7 The Choice, or online @ ktcu.net!
by Maximilian on Oct 16, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers didn't score enough because they didn't get on base enough.
It has nothing to do with situational hitting. The Rangers just simply didn’t have many situations to attempt situational hitting because they didn’t have baserunners.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is paying $7-8 million to a 37 year old guy with a history of sub .350 OBP seasons
a solution to the offensive woes of the Rangers? And if you don’t see striking out with runners in scoring position as not being a detriment to situational hitting, then you and I have a completely different understanding of the game.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say striking out was not a detriment to situational hitting?
I said situational hitting was not a very big problem for the Rangers. The much bigger problem was not enough situations to attempt situational hitting due to lack of baserunners.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and I weren't watching the same team in 2009
and apparently everyone connected with the Rangers from Nolan Ryan on down would also disagree with you.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's good you've given that a careful, critical analysis.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His a good offensive player for a centerfielder
He’s not going to solve the Rangers offensive woes, but he’s going to make the Rangers as a team — offensively and defensively — better than they’d be with Byrd out there, or Borbon, or just about any other realistic CF option outside of going for a home run with someone like Sizemore or Beltran.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
he simply doesn’t bring $8 miilion in value to this team at this point in his career.
If you believe Fangraphs’ WAR data, he’s been worth at least $8 million per year — usually significantly more — every year since 2002 except 2005, when his value went down because he was playing RF instead of CF.
He’s generally been a 3-4 win player throughout his 30s. BP had him at 5.4 wins above replacement last season.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the year where he was suspended
50 games for PEDs?
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fangraphs still had him above $8 million
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a team with a sub 70 million budget
do you think one year of Cameron is the best use of $8 million? If fangraphs thinks he’s worth $8 million, let them pay his salary.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're just getting dumber
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 16, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct the premise
If we can stop thinking that we NEED to sign a CF then the money can go to other more important priorities IMHO,
Byrd, who has played well and I personally like, is not worht changing the direction of this organization. Go with Bourbon and give him every opportunity to succeed.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 16, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It'd be real nice
if Borbon didn’t throw like a girl. That arm is seriously horrible.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume that...
…your preference would be for Borbon to be dealt this offseason?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
if we can get a good return for him. I think he is one of those players that is vastly overrated because of his speed, so if someone will trade us based on his speed, I’m all for it.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would your plan be for CF going forward?
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go year to year
with FAs until our Farm develops something or we can acquire something in FA or Trade. If Borbon is basicly Jacques Jones with a weaker arm, no sense pretending he is the great CF of our future if someone overwhelms us with trade value.
If no one does give us big value for him, which is pretty possible, I guess you can use him as a 4th OF.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not much of a plan
If Borbon isn’t the CF of the future, there probably isn’t one on the farm.
Planning to just go year-to-year until you stumble into something doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, particularly given how important the position is.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overpaying for the best
available option to lock down longterm isn’t particularly a good option either. Neither does delusionally pretending your prospects are better than they are.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither does delusionally pretending your prospects are better than they are."
A common affliction around here.
by JDT217 on Oct 16, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The good franchises, like the Yankees and Braves of a decade ago, were able to pawn off their second tier prospects before the league knew they were second tier. They got the league to pay first tier prices for 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) tier prospects.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that...
…thinking Borbon can be the Rangers’ CF of the future is “delusionally pretending your prospects are better than they are.” I don’t think it is a given that he can’t handle CF defensively.
That said, if that is the case, then you probably need to figure out some plan better than signing a stop-gap to a one year deal every year.
Go see what it would take to get Grady Sizemore from the rebuilding Indians. See if the Mets are willing to part with Carlos Beltran. Identify a quality CF prospect in another organization who is a year or two away, if you need to.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz and Smoak as the centerpieces of a deal for Sizemore...
Yes/No?
I say yes.
by JDT217 on Oct 16, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of them as part of the deal, probably
Not both.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumb move to trade a cheap, quality TOR potential arm
at this point. If the Rangers are going to contend in 2011 and beyond, it’ll be on the arms of Holland, Peliz and Perez.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Sizemore couldn’t help the team in 2011 and beyond.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 16, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately,
some years its tougher than others to fill a particular slot. I haven’t looked at the CFs available this year, next year and the year after. For all I know this year is the best year to lock down a CF. However, it may be that its better to rent Cameron for this year, and look at whats available next year.
However, with Borbon looking like a 350ish OBP CF with stolen bases, but with no power, and no arm, and dubious jumps on balls, if someone were to overwhelm me with an offer, I’d take my chances on filling that slot later.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BJ Upton can be had as well.
Not sure he’ll cost much less than Sizemore though.
by JDT217 on Oct 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now THAT would excite me
loves me some Bossman Junior.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 16, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
He’ll cost a shitload less than Sizemore. Sizemore’s cheaply extended to 2012 for a team that’s less inhibited by cap constraints than the Rays. Upton’s about to get expensive for a team that has to start worrying about a boatload of their guys who are about to get expensive. He also has Des Jennings breathing down his neck and that whole “lazy” nonsense.
I would do a happy dance if this team somehow acquired Bossman JR.
by LiamP on Oct 16, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we just writing off Josh as a CF option?
I know the thinking is he will move to RF eventually, but we do have a guy who hit 33 HR’s over there for the time being. I can see spelling Ham, but he can still play a lot of games in CF.
Presuming he’s healthy enough to play anywhere.
by tklawless on Oct 16, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton should not be in CF
and Health is a big issue there. I’d put him in a less taxing position. If you’re a CFer you run on every ball to the OF. Not the case if he’s in RF or LF.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 16, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what he's shown, I don't think he's the CF of the future
He’s young and may improve, but not on what he’s shown up to now.
by tklawless on Oct 16, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what has Borbon shown?
that he is fast and can cover alot of ground. I garauntee he would have a better UZR and UZR/150 than Byrd in CF given a full season. He played how many games this year at CF in the big leagues for everybody to call him a bad defender?
Maybe I’m one of the few, but I’m not worried about his defense in CF. We went with a below avg defensive guy last year, and Borbon projects to be a great defensive CFer with a below avg arm. With his offense and speed, I’ll take that any day of the week.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 16, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disconnect
you (and others) say stuff like “Borbon projects to be a great defensive CF”, while Warsh acts like he is afraid to play him there. What his ultimate defensive value turns out to be is a riddle, I guess.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 16, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think Wash, and any other MLB manager
Chooses to play the experienced vet, over the unproven rookie, unless they are a super stud.
I would really love to see some advanced scouting reports on Borbon though.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 16, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this.
Let’s see what the guy can do at the position for a full season before we start panicking. Yeah, his arm isn’t that strong, but neither was Kenny Lofton’s and he was a pretty good center fielder. That’s who Borbon reminds me a lot of, really.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
by txhc on Oct 16, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no doubt he's raw defensively
But you’re right about one thing, we really don’t know enough about his CF defense to say he can’t play the position right now, because he never played the fucking position this season (save for three token games in Seattle, wooo!).
All we know for sure is that somebody in the org scared the shit out of Ron Washington when they quoted Borbon’s scouting report.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 16, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd will get a big contract somewhere....
good for him, but I doubt it’ll be here. I guess we stick Borbon in CF…..and Wash will randomly platoon Josh & Cruz in RF and Cruz/Murphy in LF…..Josh could still spell Borbon in CF if need be.
by tklawless on Oct 19, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to take the good and the bad in every individual
He has speed, he is cheap, he was not blown away in 150 or so AB’s. So his arm is not like Clemente’s.
I say give the kid a chance to play everyday with Cruz in LF and Hamilton in RF.
Use any money elsewhere.
I like Byrd but I say you have earned a big payday and you should go get one somewhere else.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 16, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd for me is the best option, he is a good guy, a pretty good overall player
and he wants to play here (a bonus) if the price is right i say keep him, but i would only offer a 1 or 2 year deal unless a 3 year was priced very right. I like Marlon and so do the guys on the team, and unlike the stats nerds who only look at numbers, human qualities do apply.
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
by TRFAN on Oct 16, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With the player's unhappiness over Rudy's departure
the team may want to consider whether they want to exascerbate the unhappiness with losing Byrd too.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw the player's unhappiness.
Making MY unhappy by moving him to 3B was the best thing for this team.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy to say with your nose pressed against the window.
by twinkilling on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was tempted to wonder if this is Ron Washington, but the grammar is too good.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than having your nose pressed against the players' assholes
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 16, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My thinking is you either trade for a frontline CF
or you go with Borbon. None of this middling stick with another guy for 1 or 2 more years to see if things get better. Either throw Borbon out there and get him the experience he needs there or move on to a different, more permanent solution.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
lack of experience is really his problem.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before last year
he had what, maybe 120 games in the minors at CF. That still leaves a lot of experience to be had.
by MikeEl on Oct 16, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the experience
is gonna strengthen his arm or get him on base.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 16, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Moreland with a walk in his first AZL appearance.
He was batting against Andrew Cashner, the big arm from TCU for whom it was rumored that Nolan had a mancrush.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad we didn't take him
He’ll end up in the BP.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
It’s AFL not AZL ;)
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops.
Scheppers with 1 IP (1H 1K 0R), but pitch f/x isn’t posting velocity today.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see the discussion below.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SCHEPPERS ALERT SCHEPPERS ALERT
SCHEPPERS ALERT SCHEPPERS ALERTSCHEPPERS ALERT SCHEPPERS ALERTSCHEPPERS ALERT SCHEPPERS ALERTSCHEPPERS ALERT SCHEPPERS ALERTSCHEPPERS ALERT SCHEPPERS ALERTSCHEPPERS ALERT SCHEPPERS ALERTSCHEPPERS ALERT SCHEPPERS ALERT
by LiamP on Oct 16, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...and pitchfx isn't working.
Fantastic.
by LiamP on Oct 16, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh SNAP
Scheppers’ first ten fastballs: 95 96 95 97 98 97 98 98 96 95 96. Mike Stanton #fisted one of the 98s to RF for a single. #rangers #marlins
via KLaw’s twitter.
by LiamP on Oct 16, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heysoos Christie!
sweet
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 16, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I just jizzed in my pants.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Oct 16, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woooooooo!
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 17, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
@keithlaw Scheppers’ first ten fastballs: 95 96 95 97 98 97 98 98 96 95 96. Mike Stanton #fisted one of the 98s to RF for a single. #rangers #marlins
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my lord
sounds like the shoulders holding up pretty well :)
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
by BigGuns on Oct 16, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vitters GO, Exposito K's, BB's Mount, then picks him off.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I count 11 balls, 6 strikes looking, and 3 strikes swinging.
Effectively wild, and I’ll definitely take that performance for his first time out (2IP 0R 1H 1B 2K).
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a radio feed for AFL?
P2P online stream?
Is it on TV?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Oct 16, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 16, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words, I'm wondering where that information came from...
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Oct 16, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cameron
I go with Cameron for the glove in center and the shorter commitment. There’s not many players I feel like bringing into this team on 3 year commitments right now. Especially Marlon Byrd.
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Oct 16, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cameron also hits well against LHP.
His OPS against LHP that past two years has been >900.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good observation
I’m not a Cameron fan, but he’d be a good one year acquisition rather than trading a boatload of good youngsters for a CF who is longer term and might not be an improvement offensively over Cameron.
BTW I can live with Borbon’s rag arm in CF or LF so long as there are killer arms in the other two fields.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 16, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
BTW I can live with Borbon’s rag arm in CF or LF so long as there are killer arms in the other two fields.
Gonna have to get ridda Murphy then. I could get behind that.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 16, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely agreed
Cameron even walks a good amount, though he doesn’t hit for average (Rudy would’ve hated him). He’s still a much better player than Byrd.
Provided we can’t land Nick Johnson or Thome or the like, I could really go for snapping up Cameron and trying to revive Troy Glaus’s corpse. Not bad pickups, even though they won’t be of the impact variety.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 16, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where did my comment go?
I know I posted a comment earlier, but can’t find it anywhere.
by casew on Oct 16, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy heck! I'll get right on finding your comment
LSB – let’s all start looking for casew’s comment. Where could it be? I’ll check my silverware drawer and I suggest you all do the same.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 16, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check the freezer
Mighta dropped it in there with the car keys.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 16, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found it ...
it was in the comments spam folder.
HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?
by BigGuns on Oct 16, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm betting
you hit the wrong button and didn’t really post. Good luck with the mouse.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 16, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJM ♥ Mike Cameron
This thing goes back YEARS.
(also I completely agree on this issue — I really don’t want to see Byrd back on a multi-year contract)
by alon91 on Oct 16, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Preachers preach, farmers plow
and AJM has a Mike Cameron post early every offseason. It always teases me too, I’m just not going to listen this year.
I want Boggs in CF. He’s underrated. But this won’t happen.
I LOVE THE RANGERS!!!
by dstar442005 on Oct 16, 2009 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Boggs too
But he’s a backup/platoon player. He’s oft-injured, has arm problems and didn’t hit for any power at all in AAA this year. He’s got great on base skills, but that’s about all you can say for the guy right now.
He’s a solid player to have for depth, and a decent backup plan if he’s healthy and he can throw (two big “if’s”) but there’s just no upside to starting him in CF next year over… well… anybody. Only way he gets a starting job is if half our outfield dies in a bus crash.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 16, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs is perfect insurance though as long as he gets healthy
If everybody’s so concerned about Borbon’s fragile defense (which I think is bullshit – I think he’ll get it together if he doesn’t have it together already), and we obviously won’t have enough money to spend on Byrd, let him walk and start Borbon and bring in Boggs as a 4th outfielder/backup CF
The guy has enough range to play Byrd-like defense in CF, he’s much younger, has an amazing arm from CF, and offensively while he may not wow you with average, he gets on base and has some pop.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 17, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true...
preachers do preach and farmers do plow.
And dstar has a different picture of himself as his avatar every week.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 17, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't accept the premise
Medium deep lazy fly ball to centerfield, one out, runner on third, you better believe we are going to wish we had Byrd out there instead of Borbon. But, on a fly ball into the gap, I;ll take my chances with Borbon’s speed. If Borbon isn’t a cf (where speed matters the most) then why would he be a lf (where you traditionally want to put a strong hitter even if they are somewhat range challenged) then he isn’t any kind of outfielder at all—I don’t think that’s right. I’m not saying not to take a great trade or free agent opportunity if it presents itself—especially a Bobby Abreu type below market deal. But I’m not at all afraid to go into the season with Borbon as the every day cf.
by Dalman on Oct 17, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
Related FanPosts on Lone Star Ball
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- D12: Whee! The Y! fantasy baseball operation is armed and ready
- Create-a-Caption: Albert wants to become one with the gun
- Be like Lincecum: Little Leaguer copies Timmy's windup
- Stewards Debate! Does Bud Selig deserve a Miller Park statue?
- Ask Alex: Will Ben Zobrist replicate his outstanding '09 season?
Certain photos copyright © 2010 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
