Monday morning Rangers stuff
Evan Grant runs through the grades for the individual starting pitchers for the Rangers this year, with Scott Feldman grading out the highest and Matt Harrison the lowest.
Richard Durrett takes a look at the Rangers #2 starter spot, which was filled by Scott Feldman (of course, only after the powers that be figured out that they'd screwed up by relegating him to the bullpen to make room for Kris Benson).
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Free Agent signings considered...
…my friend and I were having a debate as to who is a lock for the 2010 rotation; the only two I was willing to say were for-sure are Millwood and Feldman. He wasn’t so sure about Feldman. I do think anyone else is subject to bullpen or AAA, when you consider we already have Holland, Feliz, Hunter, Hurley(?), Nippert, BMac…
Not sure if this decision will be made based on 6 weeks in the spring (like this organization loves to do) or what.
by FuturePants on Oct 19, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would think
Hunter is a lock.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree
Assuming no trade of Millwood..
I think the only locks are Millwood, Feldman, and Hunter.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 19, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is more likely Millwood is traded
than Feldman losing his job in the rotation.
On the other guys, I put rotation odds as follows:
Holland: 50%
Hunter: 50%
BMac: 40%
Nippert: 25%
Harrison: 25%
Hurley: 10%
Feliz: 5%
Ben Sheets: 30%
John Lackey: 10%
Random other starter: 55%
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 19, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd put BMac higher than Holland
Like Hunter somewhere around 60%; BMac 60%, Holland 45%ish. Bottom line: not that I think BMac is better than anyone out there, but the team will continue to give him a shot to see if he can somehow do something positive for this team.
by FuturePants on Oct 19, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, the odds of a BMac injury this winter have to be at least 40-50%
And I see this team screwing with Hunter for some reason, since he is probably lower priority long term to them than Holland and BMac
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 19, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your first sentence is a gross exaggeration
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is...
but at the same time, you can see why he would think that way.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
technically
ST starts in the winter. :)
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by RangerMad on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was being sarcastic
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 19, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Fair enough. Not sure why, but all the hyperbolic Bmac bashing has grown a little tiresome to me.
But if you were really being sarcastic, wouldn’t you have said he was a lock for 220 IP next yr or some such?
Sorry, my pet peeve :)
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 19, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bmac should be a long man
until he can stay healthy.
My rotation would include
Feldman
Millwood
Hunter
Holland
Feliz
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Feliz starting in the rotation
maybe in June after a few months at AAA. But there are enough capable 5th starters on this club right now that they don’t need to rush Feliz.
And I’d send Holland to AAA too if his spring is ugly.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who in their right mind
really thinks Feliz is ever going to go back to AAA?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do.
Unless the org decides he’s the close of the future and doesn’t have the secondary stuff to get guys out on the third trip through the order.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to go back to being a starter?
Definitely.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 19, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is going to start
he is going to do it at the Major League level. He doesn’t need any more time in AAA. I think he has to learn what it is like to start in the Bigs
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
he’s not going to learn what it is like to start in the Bigs pitching in the minors. There is a difference. he started this year in AAA.
There is virtually no way he gets sent back down to AAA unless he gets completely shelled the likes of the pitching CD. It’s not gonna happen
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To stretch him out to be a started he may start in AAA
by FuturePants on Oct 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's spring training for?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To make believe that guys like Benson or Jennings can be effective.
by FuturePants on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is the way of thinking of a losing organization
Now that the Rangers are winners, hopefully Benson doesn’t get a spring training invite.
by Mark from OC on Oct 19, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many innings do you think the avg starter gets in during ST?
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ST conditions pitchers
and stretches them out to 6 or 7 innings by the end of it. Do we really think Feliz should be treated like every other scrub prospect we’ve had. I don’t see any reason why Feliz shouldn’t start in the Big league rotation.
Limiting the innings? If the guy has the mechanics and delivery to pitch 180 innings, which I think he does, why put him in AAA?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone certain that he has the mechanics and delivery to pitch 180 innings?
I’m sure not.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um... Yes
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you are certain
he can go 180 without injury risk either now or in the future.
Personally, I think it would be crazy to go more than 150 since he has never gone more than 127 ub gus career
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well not next year but
I don’t see why his mechanics and delivery would stop him from pitching 180-200 in a couple of years.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
150 ip
next year should be at least where he pitches. 2 years ago he threw 127 innings. Last year he threw 77.1 AAA and 31 ML innings. Innings out of the bullpen can tax the arm more than in the rotation. You go 100% all the time.
In the rotation, Feliz can throw 93 -95 with his movement to be able to last in games, then when he needs it, he can dial it up to 97-100. Pitchers who start don’t go at 100 percent all the time. That is especially why I don’t want him in the pen with Wash ready to put him out there almost every day. That would be a mistake.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
150
If he can only pitch 150 innings, there is no reason why those innings should be anywhere but Arlington.
by iblum on Oct 19, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you are either going to have to shut him down later in the season
Pull him after 5 innings no matter how good hes doing
Or start him off in OKC for a month or so
Id rather they start him in OKC and we get a chance at Feliz in August and September than April and May
Of course my plan would be to use him as a reliever next season and break him into the rotation in 2011
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 19, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those aren't the only options
You can start him in the rotation and move him to the bullpen later in the season or treat him like Holland this season and move him back and forth for a while
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of those options would be worse than what I said
If you are gonna make him a starter do it. but don’t do it for only a couple months. Do it for the entire season. So either start him in OKC, shut him down ealry, or limit him every 5 days when he pitches.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 19, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD's said
that he wants pitchers to always be pitching and to never be shut down. I think that’s a pretty good theory if done properly.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can easily handle 150-160 innings next year
and even if he’s in the rotation from day one it wouldn’t be difficult to keep him under that by skipping his turn or pushing him back once in a while.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 19, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
150 sounds about what they should be shooting for
I just hope the Gutfather doesn’t get his wish to keep him in the pen all year.
That would annoy me.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 19, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we need to impact 4-5 games a week
instead of one!
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 19, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And with the number of long-reliever/AAA Starters
who are big league quality, this shouldn’t be difficult to do
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that.
Then again, I’ve never thought letting a prospect struggle along for 3 or more months at a time at below replacement level ever made any sense for prospect development.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really think
Feliz is going to be below replacement level. If he isn’t starting in the Bigs, he’ll be in the bullpen. I personally think he should start in the Big league rotation. He is more valuable as a starter
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you believe that she should pitch > 150 innings this year?
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should intern for Dusty Baker.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh please
I’m not advocating throwing the guy 220 innings and 130 pitches a game.
A 21/22 yer old can handle 150 innings especially if they have good mechanics. How many innings did porcello, anderson, cahill pitch this year?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Porcello-170.2
Cahill-178.2
Anderson-175.1
"Fuck those guys. They got lucky. I’m going to whip their ass the next time I take the mound."
by coltron34 on Oct 19, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that...
a young pitcher like Feliz can’t throw 180 innings.
The point is that you don’t have a young pitcher make the jump from 120 innings to 180 innings in one season. Especially someone as valuable to the Rangers future as Feliz.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the problem...
you have to limit his innings sometime next season.
I don’t want to see Feliz higher than 140-150 innings next season. I’d rather those innings be controlled in April and May.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More valuabole as a starter...
You are so correct in that, but are the Rangers looking long term or short term??
Feliz is extremely valuable in the pen in 2010 as he has proven this past season. His value in the rotatition in 2010 is less certain due to his youth and lack of big league starts. Past 2010 his value is certainly better in the rotation but where hee ends up may indicate the Rangers view of the short term future more than his ability.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they want him to be a starter
than he almost has to
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically agree
I’d like to see us sign Sheets and roll out:
Sheets
Millwood
Feldman
Holland
Hunter
plug in Feliz after a month or two if/when we have an injury; or trade Millwood at the all star break and plug him in then if Sheets is looking healthy
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets is not going to be ready
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but I would still go after him
and let him pace himself slowly. He could be a great asset the second half of the year.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he comes back at all
as Mike Bascik said he said he doesn’t know yet.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says who?
I know his rehab been slow but last I saw it was still on track for the season. You see something more negative or definitive?
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets doesn't cost a draft pick
and most likely will be forced to take an incentive laden contract. I think there is going to be more competition for him this year and Boston probably ends up with him.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In September
Mike Bacsik was saying that his baseball guys that know Sheets said he doesn’t if he can pitch again or if he can how effective he can be.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
didn’t realize it was that gloomy. he is still a low risk sign with an incentive laden deal pending physicals and workouts for teams that would most likely have to happen.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know how Hurley is doing?
A lot of talent in that young man.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's
currently sitting on his 2nd story apartment balcony hammering Natty Light, trying to beat his own personal best of 33 12oz cans in one 24 hour period. He should pop up here on LSB sooner or later, be on the lookout.
Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room
by red shoe ranger on Oct 19, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Rich Harden?
Or maybe even Erik Bedard (my least favorite of the three…seems like he would be too homer-prone for Texas, but I haven’t investigated the stats).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 19, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden...
can’t stay healthy and will want too much $.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say...
Hunter : 90%
Holland : 50%
McCarthy : 50%
Nippert : 20%
Harrison : 20%
Feliz : 20%
Sheets : 5%
Lackey : 0%
Other : 25%
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is how it should be
I’d agree. But I know Rangers rotations out of spring tend to be, well, chaotic and random, thus my long odds for everyone…
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barring trades, FA signings or injury, the 2010 opening day rotation will be
Millwood, Feldman, Hunter, BMac & Holland.
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it nice to have...
Nine options in house for the rotation. Oh yeah and 9 better than average options unlike years past that had some very pathetic options for the Ranger rotation. Even when the Rangers have had some decent options they seemed to be content with 2 decent starters and a bag of donuts.
I guess it is time for me to eat crow and say that JD despite his mistakes has done a decent job in addressing the most important and valuable position in MLB, starting pitching.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And have those options not be of the same type as
Reinecker (not worthy of google time to look up spelling), Mendoza, or Benson
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH Come on...
We can come up with worse options than Rheineker since the Rangers made the playoffs. Colby Lewis and Ismael Valdez both slotted as the #2 starter come to mind. Not to mention my all time favorite not ready for MLB rotation candidate of Mickey Calloway.
It was only 3 seasons ago that we ran out a rotation of Miily, Loe, Padillam Bmac and Tejada.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colby Lewis was a high-ranked prospect, if i remember correctly
Milly, Padilla, BMac would have started on most teams. Loe, Tejada-definitely good points (although Rheineker was worse than any of those, imo)
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a high ranked prospect
who looked like he learned absolutely nothing about how to pitch in our farm system.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember a game he pitched against the orioles
Living in SD, my only choice was the orioles feed.
Jim Palmer could barely contain his laughter, pointing out his egregious pitch-tipping. He actually called what pitch was coming 10 or 11 times (that I remember). Obviously, good color guys guess what pitch is coming, based on the situation, some of the time. But Palmer was doing it strictly based on Lewis’s body language.
It would have been really funny if I was an O’s fan.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 19, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
How about Tony Mounce, Nick Bierbrodt and Todd VanPop…
Or John Thompson as our #1 starter.
Irabu anyone….
You know I can go on and on on the SP this decade.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More suckage
RA Dickey…
Koronka…
Nick Reglio..
Aaron Myette.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't sure about Feldman?
Is your friend Kris Benson?
Feldman is not only a lock for the rotation, but should be the opening day starter over Millwood. I’m sure that won’t happen because of Millwood’s veteraness though.
Hunter is also in the rotation.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He loves Feldman
He just didn’t think anyone – aside from Millwood – is a lock.
by FuturePants on Oct 19, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman won 17 games this year.
He’s a lock for the rotation.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
by txhc on Oct 19, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
That’s why I say Feldman is a lock too. Go argue with my buddy.
by FuturePants on Oct 20, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Holland and BMac are sure to be in the rotation.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should have clarified to say that if BMac is healthy, he will be in the rotation.
What are they going to do with Holland other than put him in the rotation?
I’m making a prediction, not stating what my top 5 would be.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on McCarthy...
if healthy, he will be in the rotation. That’s a big if though.
As for Holland, I think a lot depends on how he looks in ST. Also, if someone like Nippert or Harrison comes out and looks very good in ST. I could see the Rangers giving one of them the last spot and putting Holland as the long man to start the season.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree...
I’m hoping that fifth guy is Harrison though. Would be nice to have at least 1 LH starter in the rotation.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nippert, Harrison, and Holland
If Nippert is used as a starter in spring and performs well i could see us starting the season with him in the rotation and Holland in AAA. Reason being Nippert is out of options. If he starts the season off rough you either put him in the pen or run him through waivers.
For Harrison to make the rotation I think not only would he have to be really good in spring but Holland would have to struggle. I think if it comes down to a coin flip between Harrison and Holland they go with Holland and its his spot to lose.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 19, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bmac and nippy
aren’t they the same pitcher?
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Oct 19, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...
McCarthy hasn’t been able to stay healthy and doesn’t have the velocity that Nippert does. However McCarthy does have the better curve/change.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 19, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only their height
Nippert fires upper 90s heat with decent secondary stuff.
BMac throws right around 90 but has a really nice change/curve combo
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 19, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither in my opinion throw enough strikes. But what do now? I don’t recall seeing a radar gun display in the upper 90’s with Nippert. I always have a large sense of dread when either of these two take the ball and head to the mound. Why is that?
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Oct 19, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive seen Nippert hit 96 and 97 quite a bit
The reason you have the sense of dread is probably a couple of reasons. One being that Nippert was a guy who we picked up once he was DFAd by Arizona a couple years ago and in his first appearance he got shelled. Nevermind that the guy hadn’t pitched in over a week, had been traded from Arizona to Texas, and his wife had given birth to their first child. That first appearance left a bad taste in your mouth that you haven’t been able to get out. He hasn’t been great but hes been a pretty nice bullpen piece for us the last couple years.
And for BMac, well its all about the trade. Dank had a good season in 2008 and BMac has been hurt since coming here. I swear the guy could go out and thrown a no hitter and some would bitch about something simply because its BMac.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 19, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
thanks, but if BMac throws a no hitter I would not bitch. I probably wouldn’t believe it but I would not bitch about it. :)
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Oct 19, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is everybody so high on
Bmac in the rotation?? The guy can’t stay healthy. Pitch him as a long/swing man out of the pen. Bmac had his shots over the last 3 years
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers already have a capable swingman in Nippert.
When healthy, McCarthy has been competitive as a starter. There’s no reason to diminish his value by putting him in the pen.
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Give his new mechanics a try and see if they work.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But like it or not
This team is dead set on continuing to give him every opportuntiy that they possibly can.
by FuturePants on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like it
Until we have an option who you know is going to come in and give consistent 7 inning starts, McCarthy has the highest ceiling, imo
Feliz/Harrison/Hurley/Nippert are all bigger question marks, imo, as starters going into next year (health not considered)
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they are going to use him as a long man...
…they might as well release him.
They’ve got Nippert, Mathis, and whoever else they might want to look at as a long man. Sticking McCarthy out there in the bullpen is a waste.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 19, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
that’s a ridiculous comment. you don’t release him. you make sure you can keep him healthy. I think he is better than Nippert or Mathis. Why would you not keep him in the pen over those guys. I, also, don’t think you can count on Bmac staying healthy and he needs to be able to do that. I’m not sold that his new delivery is going to keep him healthy. I go based on history, and how many years has he not hit the DL for us?
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If BMac is healthy
he is one of the Ranger’s top 5 SPs.
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by RangerMad on Oct 19, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If healthy?
big IF there. And he would be one of the top 7 relievers. Either way he is on the team. and would make some starts as a swing man.
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
he has never pitched more than 102 innings at any time in his major league career. Counting on that seems to be an exercise in silliness.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to count on it
If he’s healthy, start him in the rotation. When he gets hurt, remove him from the rotation.
What’s the harm?
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put him in the bullpen
put him in to replace another starter that gets injured. What’s the harm?
I’d rather start the year with 5 starters who I have some faith in to finish the season. Its the height of absurdity to think BMac will pitch much more than 100 innings given his 5 year track record as a major leaguer.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% agree
if he is such a great pitcher, let’s do our best to keep him healthy. and that is not in the rotation. he is a proven injury risk.
IMO it is also better to have defined roles. Why go back and forth with Bmac and whoever else would start/ be sent back and forth because Bmac HAS to start?
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just can not
expect ther to be no injuries to your rotaion throught an entire season. Granted Bmac’s history indicates he may be more injury prone but he is a better fit in the rotation IMHO. The real value is ina guy like Nippert who can bounce between the pen and the rotation when an injury happens.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's dumb
He is fine as a starter. If he continues to get hurt, look for a replacement then (which we’ll have). McCarthy’s health hasn’t seemed too dependent on how much he pitches. I’d rather he risk injury pitching well out of the rotation than having him pitch mop up innings and then get hurt without giving the team any value.
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by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he continues to get hurt?
how long to people want to wait? He’s gotten hurt in 07, 08 and 09. I don’t see any reason to think he won’t get hurt in 10 if he is in the rotation.
a good definition of stupidity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cliche quote de jour
a) He changed his mechanics, so it’s not the same thing
b) You guys act as if replacing one person in the rotation with another is the end of the world. McCarthy gives us the best chance to win out of the gate. If/when he gets hurt, we have the depth to not lose a step.
Long men pitch in losing affairs (most of the time), so there is no need to waste McCarthy’s talent in that role, imo
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is expecting different results?
I think B-Mac can continue to give us the same performance he has when healthy and you make the necessary adjustments to the rotation if/when he gets hurt. I believe he will give you above average performance through maybe 100 innings of work (and not just because of the defense). Its similar to what you would expect out of a player like Milton Bradley. Be happy when he is healthy enough to play, but make sure you have back-up options for his DL stints. The Rangers have back-up options and more importantly, guys like Hurley and Harrison could use the extra time to work their way back.
I’m actually not even sure if McCarthy makes the opening day rotation. Unless Millwood is traded or some other injury occurs, he might have to start in OKC. I just don’t want to see him pitching out of the bullpen. The bullpen isn’t going to be the thing that saves his career.
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by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCarthy’s health hasn’t seemed too dependent on how much he pitches
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by red shoe ranger on Oct 19, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always like the whole
AJM “If they can’t use him in ….. they might as well release him”.
Given his injury history, putting him in the rotation is just begging for you to disrupt your rotation when he inevitably gets an ouchie. He has talent, but its silly to count on him for the rotation. I’d rather get the 60 good innings out of him in the bullpen, then 80 innings followed by an injury in the rotation.
He may even have back of the rotation stuff, and may be able to replace CJ Wilson who is going to the rotation :)
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the point
If you don’t think he can stay healthy, don’t waste time with him, and don’t pay him the $1-2 million he’ll get in arbitration this offseason.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll stay healthy in the rotation
but the ‘pen has worked for a number of pitchers like Wood and Jennings who had prior injury histories. I don’t see why you don’t try that. Why just throw a good pitcher out because you fear injury? It is better to have more arms that not right?
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings was terrible
and BMac doesnt have near the stuff that Wood had/has.
by UNTJosh on Oct 19, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least consider trading him
instead of releasing him. There have to be teams out there looking for starting pitching that would be more than willing to take a chance on Bmac. Especially when considering that he has been effective when healthy. We should be able to get somebody back for him.
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding?
$1-$2 million is cheap beer for a good relief arm. How much were you willing to piss away last year on Cruz? 3Mill per?
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think McCarthy's stuff plays particularly well in the bullpen
He’s a guy who, when he’s successful, has three good pitches he can command.
Guys with three good pitches but no great pitch don’t work too well in the pen.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 19, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think he can be good in the bullpen?
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
he has been good in the bullpen.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what his record to date has said.
22.6% of his PAs against were as a reliever.
He has better k/9 as a reliever.
He has roughly the same bb/9 as a reliever.
He has slightly better OPS agaisnt as a reliever.
He has a slightly better Whip as a reliever.
It is the only role that you can put a 100IP pitcher into and expect them to stay healthy the whole year.
Expecting 150 IP out of him is just absolute stupidity. He has done 60+ before though.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I’m with ya Cahill. Preach it!
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's apparently not getting hurt from overuse...
His injuries seem to be lunar tides, Mayan calendars, or whatever, he’s just as likely to get hurt in his third relief appearance as his 20th start.
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by bking on Oct 19, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't really matter at this point
there is absolutely no reason to think he has the endurance to start all season given his history of not putting up innings.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who has said he'd start all season??
My point is that, given that his injury history seems so random rather than use-based, tells me that hiding him in the pen doesn’t really guarantee anything, except that we get the least value from whatever games he does pitch.
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by bking on Oct 19, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But McCarthy wasn't hurt when used out of the bully in Chi
and has been hurt every year since becoming a starter in Texas.
Facts / shmacts.
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by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a starter in 2005 for the ChiSox.
Started ten games.
But keep going, champ. We’re all really proud of you.
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by ghtd36 on Oct 19, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has McCarthy made 30 starts in The Show
in one season?
Seems kinda stupid to keep running him out there and expecting different results but that’s a philosophy we’ve had to adapt to quite often in the last 4 years.
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"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's stupid...
About running him out there for 12-15 QS’s? That seems a lot smarter than making him a swingman in a bullpen that already features Mathis and Nippert, does it not?
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching him til he is injured.
Brilliant plan, because injured pitchers are a good thing, and pitchers are always guaranteed to come back from injuries so well, like Millwood did.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then release him.
We have two swingmen in the pen already. Just toss those 12-15 QS’s into the garbage.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this whole "just toss him"
is a little over the top. McCarthy is better than Nippert. And, who’s to say you’ll get 15 QS from him, or less from his replacement like Feliz or Holland or Hunter
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may end up with more QS's from those guys...
Though, with Feliz, I think a good idea may be to supplement his 100 big league innings with 100 from BMac. There are no guarantees that BMac can give us 12-15 QS’s, but that seems like a modest, reasonable projection.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won't release him nor will
they put him the bully because they traded John Danks to get him.
It makes JD look really, really stupid to trade an inexpensive young #2 LH starter for a RH swingman who won’t give you more than 15 starts in a season.
What this organization needs to do is put McCarthy where he can be successful even if it makes the gm look stupid.
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"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a #3
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's a #2 with CHI
and would be our #2 (borderline #1) if still in Texas.
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"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#'s
5.54 FIP 6.16 tRA in ‘07 3.44 FIP 4.39 tRA in ’08 4.59 FIP 4.80 tRA in ’09. Plus he K’s 7.06 in ’07 7.34 ’08, 6.69 ’09. He had 1 nice year in ’08.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What this organization needs to do...
is maximize the value BMac gives you, which is in the rotation.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Ichabod is in the rotation
he ends up on the DL.
3 years running is not a fluke.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your conclusion is predicated on the assumption
That maximizing BMac’s value to the team and his ending up on the DL are mutually exclusive. They’re not.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about 2 years running???
In 2008, he didn’t even pitch until August, so it’s pretty disingenuous to say he broke down from being a starter that year.
The other 2 years, he rolled out 11 staight starts, then an extended DL trip, then either 8 or 6 more starts in a row. So yeah, he qualifies as brittle it seems.
But I’ll take that in 2010.
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by bking on Oct 19, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could also say that trying
to take the mound as a starter in The Show during 2007 took such a heavy toll on Ichabod that it affected him in 2008 as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except he came back after the 2007 injury and finished the year healthy..
try again.
The guy hasn’t been healthy, but this meme that he breaks down simply by being pencilled into the rotation doesn’t hold water.
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by bking on Oct 20, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...and finished the year healthy."
Bullshit.
Ichabod finished that season pitching with a stress fracturce in his scapula and wasn’t able to take the hill again after September 20.
Try again and make it a goal of yours to be more familar with facts before spouting off.
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"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 20, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could send him on vacation to Aruba for the summer
if all we’re worried about is keeping him healthy.
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he injured 2005
when he pitched 186.1 innings between the MLs and minors?
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by RangerMad on Oct 19, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2005 is a distant memory
when you consider 2007, 2008, and 2009
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BMac has made 1 relief appearance
as a Ranger. Those stats you provided are 3 years and a few injuries old. What makes you think he can handle the workload of a reliever?
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by RangerMad on Oct 19, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because
the workload of a reliever is significantly less than the workload of a starter.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In total IPs
but not in appearances and off days. SPs and RPs have different workloads.
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by RangerMad on Oct 19, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also have a different warm-up process
Some pitchers need too much time to get loose to be relievers.
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if theres been a study on injury rates between the groups
It certainly seems like a lot of relievers get injured as well. Pitching is a tough job.
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by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCarthy in the bully
seemed to work out just fine for the 2005 White Sox.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...in all 8.2 innings he pitched out of the bullpen?
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by ghtd36 on Oct 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
facts schmacts....
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by bking on Oct 19, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his first year Bmac
did spot start more, but his 2nd year he went 84.2 innings, most of which were in the bullpen for the White Sox.
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, in '06.
Not ’05. Gotcha.
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by ghtd36 on Oct 19, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
McCarthy was healthy in both 2005 & 2006.
When the Rangers tried to run him out every 5th day, his body broke down all three years.
Why don’t we stop hitting our head against the wall and realize Ichabod is never going to be John Danks?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we
Get the 12-15 QS’s he’s capable of delivering and stop worrying about “disrupting” the rotation when the likely injury finally materializes?
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
if he can hold up in the pen and we’ve got better options (I think we do even without going to get Sheets: Millwood, Feldman, Holland, Hunter, Feliz) then why try to force him into 12 healthy starts and lose him as long man in the pen?
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by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(1) We don't need another long man in the pen
(2) I’m not sure the final 3 guys in your projected rotation are really better options.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't need another long man
then Nippert or Mathis would have to wait their turn because McCarthy would be there
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland is more talented
healthier AND a lefty; Hunter is much more resilient, has had more dominant stretches in his young career, and healthier; Feliz is a much better talent than any other pitcher in our organization…how can you say that?
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by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think either Feliz or Holland
is going to outperform BMac over the first 100 inning stretch in the rotation next year. And we’re just talking about next year.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BMac gives us 100 innings April-July
Feliz gives us 80 July-September.
Voila. One good (perhaps very good) starter.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on.
He’s fairly cheap, and he’s one of our most effective pitchers when he’s healthy. If he can’t stay healthy enough to stay in the rotation, then put him in the pen and see if he can stay healthy. I would rather have McCarthy on the mound, in any role, than Nippert/Mathis or whoever else we have in long-relief right now. Plus he’s been an effective reliever before.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
by txhc on Oct 19, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be that guy
but what is your definition of a lock? No matter what happens in spring training that guy WILL be in the rotation?
If that is the case then only Feldman and Millwood would be locks IMO. I think Hunter would be a fringe guy if he just came into spring training and got rocked.
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by Michael Cave on Oct 19, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
No matter who we sign or trade, that guy WILL be in the opening day rotation. Injury is a different question.
by FuturePants on Oct 19, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hunter, Feldman, and Millwood are locks, but I also expect a trade for a SP, and I think Hunter
is the best trade bait the Rangers have, if they aren’t going to give up Holland.
I could see Hunter to the Blue Jays as part of a package for Halladay.
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by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Halladay gets moved
in the offseason.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't exactly know how to read the Jays at this point.
They have little choice but to go for it next year, since they’re only big trade chip is Halladay. But, really, do they have much of a chance? Seems like they could speed up the rebuilding a bit by moving Halladay this winter for something that would be more advanced but with similar ceiling as the draft picks they would receive, but they haven’t given any indications they are thinking that way.
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by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Aaron Hill and Marco Scutaro
have some value too, if they decide to go the rebuilding route. They could probably even convince KC they need Lyle Overbay…
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scutaro is a FA
type A this year
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't know that.
With that Type A tag hanging around his neck I wonder how hard it will be for him to sign on to another team. He’s a good player, but I don’t see other teams wanting to give up the picks for him.
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given his defense
He’s worth the Type A compensation. You take a risk in his bat going back to below average, but his defense is that good that he would make sense for any contending team needing a top defensive IF.
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by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD is going to make a deal for a TORP this offseason.
He’s been trying for quite a while, but 2010 is without a doubt the year that has been targeted. I don’t think he’s going to be worried about getting a good value. He’s going to get something.
Of the young arms, I think Hunter would be a really attractive trade chip to most folks, and is probably in a tier by himself in between the top tier of Holland/Feliz and a lower tier of BMac/Harrison.
I can’t see any other way for the Rangers to trade for a TORP than to include a young pitcher. They won’t get a TORP with Cruz, Kinsler, Salty, or CD. Perez or Smoak alone isn’t enough, and I don’t think it’s all that wise to trade both. JD isn’t going to trade Andrus or Hamilton.
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by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see CJ being included as a trade chip.
Especially if he keeps pushing this whole “move back to the rotation” thing…
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can say all he wants
but he’s going to be the setup man next year.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't get where he got the idea that he
was going to prepare for the rotation? did someone tell him this, or did he just invent the idea
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was pushing for it
and the org finally told him they’d give him a shot, mostly to just throw him a bone. In reality I don’t think they consider him a rotation candidate.
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few years ago
not exactly sure of when. The Rangers essentially told CJ in the off season that he was needed in the pen for at least one more year. This was after he had made a couple of starts for the Rangers. He went to the pen, has had some great success and never has been given the option to be a starter again.
The Rangers are ina similar position with Feliz this off season. If he goes back to the pen in 2010 and repeats his success he could be considered too valuable there to move him to the rotation.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ wasn't that great in the rotation
he’s pretty much a two-pitch pitcher. He is suited for the ’pen.
Feliz, I believe, is too valuable to have in the ’pen.
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
CJ has not developed the 3rd pitch IMHO but once the idea was planted it stays there.
Feliz long term is too valuable long term to have in the pen but I can argue it may be better for the 2010 Rangers to keep him there.
I just don’t want to make a decision only for the 2010 season and that is why I would pt feliz in the rotation now.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly he seems to throw that 3rd pitch out
an inordinate amount of times.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like CJ in the pen, but...
You’re saying that he wasn’t great in the rotation based off 6 Major League starts when he was still recovering from TJ surgery.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it depends on the deal
i don’t trade for the sake of trading.
Greinke and Halladay are obvious targets. I would prefer Greinke, but his price is going to be sky high that he is almost assured to win the CY Young in the AL. Halladay, who knows what the new GM will do. I think it’s worth a shot. I think you can also scour the league for pitchers like Edwin Jackson that a team would be willing to trade. Edwin Jackson and Matt Garza were two brilliant trades the last two years. I think finding a guy like that is more probable.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't even fathom what the Royals would want.
Greinke is easily the Royals version of what Pudge was for the Rangers.
But, a sane GM would realize they need to fill 3-4 holes on their major league club to make it worth trading Greinke.
Greinke isn’t going to happen. Not to the Rangers. Not to anyone.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it's unlikely
If we could trade Hunter, Kiker, Smoak + choice of Beavan/Poveda, would you do it for Greinke?.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or would you
give up Holland, Kiker, Davis and Teagarden or Salty?
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flip it around then
Would you give up Greinke for that package if you were the Royal GM?
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably need 1 more major league ready starter
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter
you could possibly get away with Harrison or McCarthy…
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets say you are right and
i can get away with Harrison as the last piece. Making it a Harrison, Holland, Kiker, Davis and Salty package for Greinke.
Steep price indeed but our Rotation could be Milly, Greinke, Feldman, BMac and Feliz. Nippert in the pen and spot starting. Hunter and Hurley in AAA for depth. That’s pretty dang good.
Smaok would have to start at 1B a reach but not impossible. I would have to think that would be a fairly competitive team.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again does it work
if you are the Ranger GM as well as if your are the Royals GM?
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Royals might bite on that one.
Holland is a projected TORP. Harrison is a projected quality #3-4. Kiker is at least a good arm in the pen. Davis still has huge upside. And Salty… Fuck.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd do it too
Of course we would crucified on this board when Greiinke gets hurt and Holland wins they CY.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on.
your response is no fun because it ends the debate.
Not saying you are wrong, but definately no fun.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got something on Greinke in the fanpost section.
One-stop shopping
Royals: Greinke-Butler-Hughes for Cruz-Hunter-Salty-Smoak-Perez-NeRa
Marlins: Nolasco-Cantu-Meyer for Cruz-Hunter-MaxRam-Beavan-Moreland
For Greinke alone, take off the minor leaguers, or go with Cruz, Hunter and Smoak plus a really low-level minor leaguer, like Melo.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Nolasco deal more...
But then I think it’d be less likely to happen.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just what makes you think Greinke is available?
by oc on Oct 19, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the overall suckage of KC and their need
to basically reconstitute a new major league roster to actually be competitive.
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose Dayton Moore is kidnapped / hospitalized sometime during the offseason
by oc on Oct 19, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for you.


"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading for a TORP?
It makes perfect sense for the Rangers to make a splash and build upon their 09 success. Which is why I doubt the Rangers will do it… OK that was a bit sarcastic.
They have at least nine decent in house options for SP as listed above. Five spots, long man (nippert) for spot starts leaves three of those options in the pen or AAA.
Trading for a TORP while keeping Milly and Feldman secures three spots in the rotation and still gives openings for those not traded.
The main blockage to getting a TORP is the salary limitations of the current ownership. That may change prior to the winter meetings but not guarenteed.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to trading for a TORP, what is so different this off-season
than this past trade deadline (when the Rangers were actually in legitimate contention)?
I don’t believe the price is going to come down for a TORP any time soon.
If CJ becomes a starter, that’s a helluva spot to fill in the bully because he was nothing short of outstanding last season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(1) Folks are willing to re-evaluate their team's position after the season is over.
(2) JD no longer has the option of building completely from within. 2010 has always been the year the window of competitiveness was supposed to fly open. 2010 has been different from other years in management’s mind for a while. Now, 2010 is also different from the player’s perspective as well as the fanbase.
JD has been in on man of the TORPs over the past few years: Halladay, Greinke, and Santana were all trade targets. What I’m saying is that I believe he will have a new level of urgency this offseason and will be willing to overpay a little if need to be get a TORP.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you but I believe the last trade deadline was
the greatest sense of urgency This Thing has had since 1999.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Ricciardi wanted a king's ransom for Halladay.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which may have cost him his job
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Oct 19, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which may have cost him his job
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
by txhc on Oct 19, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think now is a great time to sell high
on Hunter, but I would imagine the Rangers would still be a little gunshy about trading any of their young pitchers. Of course, if we think Hunter is the real deal, you keep him because you have control over the next 5 years
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
you have him for 6 more years
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by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter reminds me of a Helling
with better stuff. He has a bulldog approach which is very valuable. I like him as a mid rotation guy for years to come if healthy.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would prefer more Ks from Tommy
but if he turned into a Joe Blanton type of innings eater I would be happy with that.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Oct 19, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why rent Halladay for a year...
When you’re in the midst of slashing payroll again? And when the team you’re running out for ‘10 still isn’t good enough to beat the LAAA?
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if the sale is done by the end of the year
We’re not slashing payroll, but increasing it?
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't hold my breath.
And Halladay won’t be interested in staying here long term anyway. Adam Dunn, otoh…
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's the cheapest TORP option that might be available on the trade market.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cheapest TORP option that might be available on the trade market...
is Matt Cain.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a TORP
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 MM
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by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Nolasco.
But either one of them would be at the top of our rotation.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolasco could be cheaper
considering he would be a nice buy low candidate
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
but he just had that 11 or 12 K game.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
16 Ks
9 in a row or something like that.
16 was the highest all year for any pitcher I believe.
But he still had a down year, and we would buy lower than a guy like Cain or Greinke
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't have a down year
His BABIP was .336 and his FIP was better 3.35 from 3.77 in ’08. But yes, he would be. Greinke would cost a TON.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know ERA is mundane
but a guy who K’s as many as he does will appear to have a better FIP. Either way, two of the last 3 years his ERA was 5+ in Florida. I think that is a decent buy low. You still have to give some good pieces, but he could be a TORP guy (he’s not there yet) who can actually strike people out 195 in 185 IP this year.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem is.
Marlins are going to extend Nolasco and Cain comes much, much cheaper than Greinke. Cain is entering his peak years, is cheap, and will log 200 innings with decent peripherals. His GB% sucks, but let’s see what Maddux can do with him.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what makes you say the Marlins are going to extend Nolasco?
can you link to an article.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not any one article in particular...
But a variety of sources (both local FLA media and blogs like mlbtraderumors) indicate that the Marlins aren’t going to be doing the same kinds of firesales as we’ve seen in recent years. Johnson and Nolasco are the names that always pop up in those stories, with the Marlins FO at least paying lip service to the notion that the core is there to stay.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the way the Marlins are run
I doubt they extend both Johnson and Nolasco. It doesn’t hurt to knock on their door and offer them a deal.
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree...
But I’m not optimistic.
by JDT217 on Oct 19, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Feldman isn't a lock
I don’t know who else would be. That’s ridiculous.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Rangers: sent Jim Colborn and lefty Derek Holland; espoused the team’s development system and let Kikuchi ask questions.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah!
THAT is why Holland has been in Japan. He’s been talking about it on his Facebook.
by FuturePants on Oct 19, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I was wondering about that
he had some interesting posts about his time over there
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 19, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool...
I wonder why they sent Holland
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To
espouse the team’s development system and let Kikuchi ask questions about want it’s like playing for the Rangers, about Texas, DFW and so on I would think.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I was referring to Holland over, for instance, Elvis Andrus
or Ian Kinsler, or any other player on the Rangers
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's a young LHP also?
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by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, the Rangers are trying to persuade him to become interested in the Rangers, right?
do you think he will be swayed bc of Holland’s unique perspective on being left handed in our organization?
I guess my question is more rhetorical than anything, but Holland doesn’t scream “leader” to me. He seems like a fairly quiet, baby-faced guy who doesn’t (to me) seem like he has an incredibly impressive presence.
I’m curious if the club thinks otherwise, or what the rationale was. There were several young players they could have chosen from.
by BuckyB on Oct 19, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Rangers didn't want that
Holland is only a couple of years older than him and can talk about how the Rangers took him from a nobody draft and follow to one of the top, young LH pitchers in baseball. You don’t need him to lead, just to talk about how great his experiences have been with the Rangers over the past couple of years.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he might have been the only guy that wanted to go to Japan.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
highly unlikely
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holland in Japan
seems like just the kind of quiet, unassuming workaday type Japanese might like. Their culture is very different from ours, a more outspoken guy might not make as favorable an impression.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 19, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is an awesome effort the Rangers are putting in on Kikuchi.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know nothing about Kikuchi
scouting report I can borrow?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
minormoosings has been following him closely.
http://minormoosings.blogspot.com/2009/10/kikuchi-kikuchi_14.html
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NPB tracker
is where almost all of the material discussed here has come from, and Goyo is getting his stuff there, too for the most part. NPBT has been really on top of things.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops. wrong video.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the video of the pitcher in the link
topped out at 79 or 80 mph.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of kikuchi
have you all seen this documentary on high school baseball in Japan?
link to documentary on hulu.com
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not reading Goyodumbasses site
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by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NBP has one
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by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh... NPB
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by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichabod didn't deserve an effin' C
Is that meme still relative? I may be a few behind, as I don’t read all the comic stylings here…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 19, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I always thought
tack a beard and a top hat on him and you’ve got Abe Lincoln…
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen him called Honest Abe
by commenters on other blogs.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
by txhc on Oct 19, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"of course, only after the powers that be figured out that they'd screwed up by relegating him to the bullpen to make room for Kris Benson"
I think you meant to use the phrase “when positive changes were made.” It’s more succinct.
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on Oct 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't have a problem with giving Benson a shot.
The teams starting situation to open the season was still speculative and under similar situations, many teams try to get lucky with a NRI veteran. To their credit, they pulled the plug on Benson pretty quick.
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem was giving Benson a shot at the expense of Feldman
who arguably was the most consistent starter the season before last.
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that cost the team
what, exactly? 1 Game, tops?
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a couple of losses
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers were 1-1 in Benson's two starts
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about his relief outings?
sorry, I know this is a “Benson starting for Feldman” argument but I’d like to see what happened if we eradicated all of his performance for this team; and add in the 9 runs in 6 innings Feldman gave up as a reliever because he was bummed about being so dominant in ST and still not gaining a starting spot.
Look at the big picture, if you will.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about his relief outings?
The discussion has been about the team impact regarding Benson’s 2 starts instead of Feldman. If we’re going to look at the “big picture”, Feldman also sucked in the pen and nearly all of benson’s relief appearances came after the game had already been decided.
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else questioning Millwood's grade?
Prior to the season if someone would say Milly would pitch 198.2 innings and have a 3.67 ERA I would have given him an automatic A+. Now I understand there were some less than perfect situations/results as Evan points out but not enought to pull him down to a C+ which is slightly above average.
by Bigfan16 on Oct 19, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I'd give Milly a B
I’m not going to penalize him for his injury and to his credit, when he had mechanical issues, he was able to work them out. He ought to get a B just for finishing with the 7th best ERA in the league. Who was the last Texas pitcher to make that claim?
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
loses points for tanking it big time down the stretch
when the team needed him most. Still I might be convinced of a B-, but nothing more than that.
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the Rangers apparently needed to do with Millwood was probably skip a turn in
late August or the September start at Baltimore where he was rocking a crisp 86 mph fast ball.
In late September v Oakland & LAAA, Millwood (after having a start skipped) had his velocity back up to the low 90s.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 19, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're going to deduct points from Millwood
what about Feldman’s final 5 starts where he posted a 7.68 ERA?
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of those came after the Rangers were all but down
and before that he was still something like 5-0 in August to even keep the team in contention, which I’d consider as performing down the stretch.
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the purpose of grading, why does it matter when he had his problems?
Unless you are implying that Millwood tanked on purpose, I really don’t see much of a difference.
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not implying that Millwood tanked on purpose
I’m just pointing out that the Rangers could count on Feldman more than Millwood for a very important part of the season. Shouldn’t that count for something?
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad Millwood couldn't have picked a better time to pull a butt muscle
but I don’t think you penalize him for it. Instead of grading him down for the negative, you could also give him credit for all the innings he pitched earlier. Without those innings, nothing down the stretch would have mattered much.
by twinkilling on Oct 19, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like he was harsh on Harrison with a D
The guy did have a fair number of pretty good starts mixed in with the bad, and it could be argued that some of his bad starts were a result of his injury. Is it his fault he ended up with TOS? I thought that was a Ranger’s right of passage…
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Future Rangers starter Neftali Feliz
At some point he starts, whether it is at the beginning of 2010 or 2011 who knows. But why does Neftali Feliz’ wikipedia page mention the Yankees almost as much as the Rangers? I remember when we LSB members changed it after his first few dominating performances with all the strikeouts to start his career. But some Yankees fan deleted that. And now they add info about the Yankees on his page. Since I am barred from posting there anymore, someone go delete the info about the Yankees on
I hate the Yankees.
by Mark from OC on Oct 19, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll go take a look...
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by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the edit
Now my day will got better ha.
by Mark from OC on Oct 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF? They don't let you get to that part
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by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh
somebody must have got there before me.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is the deal
we didn’t institute stupid ‘Joba’ rules, and the Yankees can go to hell
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While you're at it could you add in the part where
someone quotes him as saying he can throw 100 whenever he wants?
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hah - why'd you get banned?
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by Walter Sobchak on Oct 19, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might have been Feliz' page
Now you are making me check. Nope, just checked the history, and it was a wikipedia editor with Yankees in their name but some other Rangers page that I removed Yankees references to. Kept unding what he typed about Yankees on non-Yankee pages and got banned.
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by Mark from OC on Oct 19, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenji Johjima opts out of his contract
with the Mariners. It saves them on avg 8M/yr.
he’s going back to Japan.
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a windfall for the Mariners...
I wonder if we could convince Millwood to opt out of his contract and go to Japan too?
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
doubt it...
There aren’t too many buffets that have chicken fried steak over there. They eat too healthy for his tastes.
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by BigGuns on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, good for all involved, I guess.
He was struggling over here (64 and 86 OPS+ the past two season), and I can’t imagine that he was particularly enjoying his time underachieving in a strange land.
And I’m sure the Mariners are thrilled to clear that salary.
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by ghtd36 on Oct 19, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fucling lucky M's
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 19, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they'll use the money to sign Hank Blalock...
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't surprise me
I was shocked enough when Donuts wasted the money picking up his option last year. Once he couldn’t play 3B, he definitely wasn’t worth that much money.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selective use of FIP
FIP can bust dozens of pitchers to being overrated, be used in discussing Feldman being traded…. but Feldmans 5.35 FIP last year, 5.96 the year before, and sucking in spring training meant that he just had to be in the rotation instead of giving a veteran who was better than those numbers when healthy a couple starts?
I just don’t see what was so terrible about that situation. The NRI failed and feldman ended up taking a big step forward, thats great. No harm done and I don’t think the decision at the time can really be acttacked THAT strongly.
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by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
you are dead on. Its not like they got a veteran, and had him start the entire year while he was sucking. As bad moves, putting Benson in for 2 starts probably doesn’t make the top 10 on the list for last year.
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by DJCahill on Oct 19, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not top 10 in how much it hurt the team
But it was an incredibly stupid move to put Benson in the rotation and expect to do anything but struggle. He looked like Jennings did in 07 when he was clearly not ready and the Rangers just hoped that he would pick things up as the season started. Given the extreme changes Feldman made as a pitcher in 07, I don’t see how it wasn’t anything but a brain dead move to plug him into the bullpen so we could make sure to keep Benson.
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by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listing someone as the rangers 6th starter is hardly condemning them to the bullpen
For the entire year. It was inevitable he would get into the rotation and get his shot.
Coming into the year the rotation consisted of a bunch of people who had 5+ eras last year and were predicted to suck this year. Feldman would have been one of them. It wasn’t inconceivable that benson would be one of the 5 best SP before we called up some minor leaguers later in the year. Not exactly strong praise, but possible nonetheless.
Meanwhlie Feldman only threw 150 ip last year so probably couldn’t start all year anyway, had sucked outright in spring training, had pretty much sucked in his major league career despite a run of success last year, etc….. when people around here listed their 2010/2011 rotations I don’t remember a lot of 1) Feldman’s.
I don’t think anyone was wrong to strongly prefer Feldman just out of outright distrust in Benson and wanting to go with the young guy, but to call it this brain dead completely idiotic move? I just don’t see it.
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by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was inconceivable
When you are throwing 86-87 mph fastballs and 83-84 mph change-ups with poor command, there is no reason to expect that pitcher to put up anything less than a 6 ERA in the rotation.
Feldman threw 150 IP last year. If you follow the rule of thumb that says you can pitch 30 more innings than you did the year before, he’s at 180 which is right were Millwood left off with 31 starts. Again, dumb. And the reason people didn’t expect Feldman in the 2010/2011 rotations (more left him off 2011 than 2010) was because of Feliz, Holland, and Main were/are the guys expected to anchor that rotation (again, mostly talking about 2011) with guys like Harrison, Hurley, Hunter, and even McCarthy being behind them. It was more that we had a good few pitchers who had the potential of being a number 3 at least than anything that Feldman did or didn’t do.
Brain dead, completely idiotic. The only way to describe starting Benson in the rotation over Feldman.
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by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on with the overdramatics.
- His average fastball this year was 88.7 and changeup 81.5. Not good but not as 100% hopeless as your 3 mph split would imply.
- Millwod had 198 2/3 innings. Feldman had 189 2/3 even with being in the pen for weeks.
- Yeah, so if guys with a #3 potential were ranked ahead of him people thought feldman was back end. And most people did, at best.
Setting a guy you think might be a back end rotation guy aside for a couple weeks to avoid losing a vet you think might be able to be one of your 5 best starters ended up looking stupid, and may have been somewhat stupid. But come on, brain dead, completely idiotic, worst decision in years as someone else said, worthy of mentioning constantly throughout the season by AJM.
I’m not saying anyone who thought it was a bad decision at the time was wrong and got lucky, its a very justifiable opinion that turned out to be right. But it had almost zero impact on the season, zero impact on the rangers future, and has at least some logic behind it for a team with very few quality starting options to begin the season. They wanted to keep one more open.
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by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, one more option anyway
not quality, heh.
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by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His avg might have been better, but many times he didn't even have that miserable differential
between his fastball and change-up. In his first 2 starts, his fastball was between (approximately) 85 and 90 mph . His change-up was between 74 and 87. There were clearly times during those games when the difference between his offspeed stuff and his fastball was nothing more than a few mph.
I guess I was looking at someone else for Millwood’s season total, but the point is still the same, Feldman could have lasted through those 2 more starts. This is the guy that went from 69 IP in 07 to 162 Major League IP in 08 (combining Minor League time with Major League time). I think adding an extra 40 innings to that wouldn’t have broken him if the IP jump from 07-08 had no negative impact on him.
Those that were optimistic about Feldman saw a number 3 starts while others saw innings eater back of the rotation guy. Either way, what you thought Feldman was and where he would be in 2011 really doesn’t justify a thing in Benson being here. Where exactly was Benson going to be in 2011 and where was the 2009 team expected to be?
The impact on the season doesn’t matter to me when describing the intelligence (or lack thereof) behind a move. Rangers trade Superstar A for Scrub B. Superstar A has a season ending injury and Scrub B performs as poorly as expected. What impact does that have on the Rangers season? Their player would have been out for the season anyways? Would you think it was still anything but a horrible move.
The bigger problem is also that the Rangers seem to have a thing for crappy veterans and letting them stick around rather than risk losing them even if that means starting them on the 25 man roster. Keeping a below replacement level veteran just isn’t important and should especially never come at the expense of someone who is capable of filling that position like Feldman was.
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by Gdawg on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you are putting enough consideration into the situation at the time
1. The rangers starters were coming off an outright terrible year. Various guys had major health issues, and Hurley was outright done for the year in ST.
2. In 2008 the bullpen got completely torched by the starters not being able to go any innings, and the lack of depth of starters who could go even 5 innings into a game just made it worse as the season went on. Starting depth was effecting the entire team.
3. I believe the situation was Benson could opt out, and at the time had had some decent ST stats at least and had a chance of being able to sign somewhere else.
Given those points, the Rangers (and there were quotes to this effect) placed emphasis on maintaining whatever depth and options they could.
So they ended ST, and after some bad performances by Feldman he and Benson were pretty close on the “help in 2009” list.
Benson had never relieved, Feldman had spent most of his career doing it.
They have full control of Feldman and know very well they can put him in the bullpen and then let him start when someone went down or was ineffective, which was a near 100% certainty with the Rangers situation. Putting him in the pen to start the year doesn’t mean that was their plan for the whole year and it got busted when he had to be put in the rotation.
You are really telling me as the situation stood on April 1st or whatever, that the logic is completely idiotic? Literally makes no sense? Absurd?
I can easily see disagreeing with it, I didn’t even really agree with it I said I didn’t care either way.. but I still don’t understand how so many of you guys can think its this idiotic moment of the decade. Theres got to be a certain amount of consideration given, you can’t just flatly say no matter what no veterans all young guys, that will give its share of awful results too.
The only problem in signing these veterans is when you do it to block major prospects that are ready (feldman wasn’t a major one..) or when you stick with them despite poor performance. The rangers have done that on occasion, but this wasn’t such a case. He sucked, they got rid of him.
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by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benson couldn't opt out until May 1st I believe
And what would have happened had Benson not got hurt? Was his performance, and subsequently Feldmans relief performance, enough to warrant making the switch? Had Benson not got hurt, I believe theres a very good chance Feldman would have been given the axe. He was out of options so he couldn’t be just sent down. Can you imagine the shitstorm around here had we lost Feldman to a waiver claim and he went on to win 17 games for some other team with a 4 ERA because we wanted to keep Kris freaking Benson!!
Before spring training started Feldman had a spot in the rotation and Benson was brought in on a NRI. Feldman did nothing to lose that spot and Benson did nothing to outright win the spot. Given the circumstances Benson should have been sent to OKC and if his performance warranted a callup by May 1st then you make that decision then. Luckily for us everything worked out and Feldman is still here but it was an idiotic decision when it was made.
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by bigsteve on Oct 20, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only in favor of Benson because it would have been nice to have his wife around the ball park to ogle at. :)
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by horsedooty on Oct 20, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feldman in 2008 is a huge reason I believe stats can't be looked at in a vacuum
What stat takes into account the fact the guy had been switched from reliever (which is what he had done for what…6 season with the Rangers organization) to starter at the end of spring training. Had less than a months worth of starts in AA before being called up. Had switched from a sidearming reliever to a 3/4 starter. And was hurt by his managers lack of intuition as to when to remove him from games.
Feldman in 2008 was pretty damn good given the circumstances and I , along with Adam and many others, were in disbelief when they decided to go with Benson over Feldman, especially given Feldmans solid spring. I know at the end of 08 I said I wouldn’t be suprised to see Feldman put up 180 IP and a ERA around 4.5 given a full winter of rest and knowing going into 2009 he was a starter from day 1 and seeing Feldman beat my prediction made me very happy.
Starting Benson over Feldman was one of the dumbest things I have seen this organization do over the last several years and to argue against that is very hard IMO.
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by bigsteve on Oct 19, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd think the dumbest decision in years would have more than 0 impact on the rangers future.
In fact I’m pretty sure on that one.
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by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could have if they didn't realize their mistake as soon as they did
or if Benson didn’t get injured when he did. Imagine if Feldman was left in the bullpen and continued to be ineffective, does he get sent down to the minors or released?
by MikeEl on Oct 19, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the threads at the time
I just did some back searching and read the main threads when the decision was made.
Lots of “they are both meh but its better to go with the young guy”, but not a lot of “completely idiotic horrible worst decision ever” by anyone.
What I said: “I really don’t care about this at all. Feldman didn’t earn a rotation spot(in ST), he had it by default. If they want him 5th thats fine, but if they want him in the bullpen and benson 5th thats fine too. If benson sucks feldman will be back in the rotation in a month.”
Sounds familiar.
Followed by lots of feldman sucks comments when he got lit up relieving =p
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by DSheppard on Oct 19, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one obsesses over the Rangers
except a 300 comment thread in what is already our offseason.
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by NothinG on Oct 19, 2009 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was my first thought when I saw this thread.
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by GhettoBear04 on Oct 19, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“just a bunch of mouthy local and not so local geeks” is all I can say. Can anyone direct me to the clubhouse?
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by horsedooty on Oct 19, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
playoffs
Didn’t los Rangers have a winning record this year against the NYY’s and LAAAAAAAA’s red team? After watching these playoff games, it looks to me like these teams are made up of FULL grown men and the Rangers are playing with kids.
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by horsedooty on Oct 19, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why are so many people in this thread saying that BMac is a better pitcher than Nippert?
What are you guys basing this on? Nippert has better stuff and better peripherals, he’s a much better pitcher.
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by tricer on Oct 19, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He might be
and he was bought at a very cheap price from the DBacks, too.
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by t ball on Oct 19, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit better control and a better offspeed pitch?
Nippert’s career whip is 1.57 to McCarthy’s 1.36.
I really liked acquiring Nippert, but he was just so incredibly bad in 08 its hard to get past it. Can’t deny he had a pretty good run in much of 09 though.
I can’t put any faith in either right now though.
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