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I've got to post this, and may not be around long to do so.  This is an old guy, old jock, old baseball fans view (Adam if you don't want this here, I understand e.g all posts can be deleted)

So an old fan of the game, following it for over 60 years, takes a fairly active part in baseball blogs and helps with a fansite forum.  The first thing that jumps out at any uniformed reader is the concatenation of schisms.  Between mainstream media and bloggers.  Between people who played the game and (well, everybody else including) men and women from other sports, people who love the game but have never been athletic enought to participate at organized levels, people who follow the game analytically to enjoy the ongoing performance evaluation and discussion/debates about players, teams, management, and other fans.  And I guess robust discussion is a good part of life in general - you can agree to agree, agree to disagree, and occasionally disagree that there is disagreement.  

Here are a couple of old guy observations.  These might calm some of the waters, yet might irritate those who really have disdain for contrary points of view.  

First, I've learned more about the analysis of baseball performance in the past 10 years than in the collective 50+ years before this decade.  And I've learned it from not only Adam and the contingent here on LSB, but from following links to really intelligent analytical formulations, suppositions, calculations, and their graphical representation.  This from a three sport jock of half a century ago who never let go of his love for the game, and the play on the field.  I also have to credit my daughter, degreed in excercise physiology with advanced work in metrics, helping me understand how the body works in achieving high levels of performance.  So anyone with a competitive sports background ought to give thanks for those who have explored, expanded, and expounded sabrmetrics.  What Verne McMillan started in 1954 was not universally notable - but he was a minor league owner who decided to get input from an Indianapolis saber society group, both to better analyze his Class B team's league performance, and to understand his own role in keeping, selling, or shutting down his franchise.  That counts as an important step.  We all take important steps, sometimes when we don't realize how important they are.  

Second, and more personally, there is no reason for a jock or past jock to deride people who didn't achieve or take part in the play of the game.  Actions on the field and transactions off the field are facts.  Those facts are represented by data.  The accumulation of data, and intelligent analysis of the data, can lead to conclusions the eyeball and the muscle memory might miss.  It is unfair and poor treatment of others to demean them because they have never run the high hurdles in under 15 seconds, made college varsity or AAU or traveling military teams, much less professional teams.  People, it's largely a matter of physiology and training.  Lots of people have been born with genetic characteristics short of those of the elite athlete.  They did not choose this outcome, in fact had nothing to do with it.  I would hope, and I suspect, the sabermetric attuned baseball fan who never played the game (and even the few who may have at one time lived in a female relative's basement) is probably more forgiving of differences of opinion than the experience only current or former athlete.  I don't know, that's merely an assumption from tens of thousands of posts read.      

So if I drop away for personal and family reasons in the next couple of months, what I'd wish for LSB (and NMLR and anyplace else we patronize) is a little more acceptance of where a poster is coming from, a little more appreciation of the posters' humor, a little more awareness of background and generational differences, and a LOT of support and respect for the Rangers' organization and team, and what they are trying to get done.

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So can I call MJH names in this thread?

"Blalock in the cleanup spot makes gives me agita." - Dustin

by benmor78 on Oct 20, 2009 6:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I certainly hope so

that is at the heart of what makes the internet a special, special, place.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 20, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ed

is everything okay?

You just don't sit in a rocking chair, when you've built a revolution.

by Escher on Oct 20, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly

I’m OK, but have family issues and travel, and a relationship to path out.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Oct 20, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hang in there.

We’ll be here whenever you get back, probably complaining about more inane things. Be well.

What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?

by ghtd36 on Oct 20, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best of luck.

Any day without you here is lesser for it, Ed, and I’m sure we all hope everything turns out well quickly for you. Godspeed.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Oct 20, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What this man said.

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Oct 20, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Godspeed and good luck.

I hope everything turns out well for you.

I’m sure when you come back there will still be people arguing with Josey and Agreen and Brian Thomas will still be in love.

You just don't sit in a rocking chair, when you've built a revolution.

by Escher on Oct 20, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck, Ed.

Obviously real life and close relationships take precedence over more frivolous activities, like posting on baseball-related fora.

Hope everything turns out for the best.

by jwiscarson on Oct 20, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, stay well and good luck Ed

Whatever your pursuits may be.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by lonestarJon on Oct 20, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best of luck...

I’ll miss your contributions, especially the earnestness.

by 3Bagger on Oct 20, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concur with the other's .....Godspeed

to one of LSB’s finest…..even when I’m only trolling (lately), Ed is Da Man!

by tklawless on Oct 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck. Looking forward to having you back.

Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D

by rooster on Oct 20, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put

and good luck

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Oct 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said Ed. Good luck.

there is no reason for a jock or past jock to deride people who didn’t achieve or take part in the play of the game.

Otherwise known as “wufdoging”.

Of course, this would only apply If the term “past jock” includes spare double-A guy from multiple generations past.

by Whiskey in my Whiskey on Oct 20, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh

Actually, I thought “wufdoging” would be completely ignoring any point which you couldn’t respond to and rebut successfully and continue attacking the points where you might have a possibility of being “right.”

But I haven’t kept up with the Newberg boards.

R

by Requiem on Oct 20, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have another name for that here...

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Oct 21, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edward

i love you buddy…

Ed, you can email me anytime or call me if you need to talk. email me i’ll give u my phone number.

it wont be to long before we win a world series… i hope and pray you and i will get to see this in the next few years.

2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015?

by hurlerhurley on Oct 20, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Best of luck to you Ed

I’ve have enjoyed and been enriched by your commentary on the Rangers, baseball, and life in general over the past many years.

Hopefully, you’ll come back to us sometime in the future.

But if not, I hope you have an enriching and fruitful life.

R

by Requiem on Oct 20, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cheers Ed.

Quality read.

Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, such as hot-oil wrestling, foxy boxing, and such-and-such.

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by Maximilian on Oct 20, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Be well EC

Your demeanor on these boards is one that others should look to as example to follow. Thanks for classing up the place.
A. Stephens

by poster formerly known as ncrangerman on Oct 21, 2009 7:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

with ncrangerman. Ed is synonymous with class.

T

by Trosey on Oct 21, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why did you change your name?

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

screen name

When ncrangerFan signed on I changed to avoid our posts being confused for each others. Pretty much post using my own name anymore, don’t recall why the ultra long handle used here, I just don’t post here very often so I haven’t fixed that yet.
A. Stephens

by poster formerly known as ncrangerman on Oct 22, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Ed you will be missed...

I hope you come back soon, if not I’ve already written you in on the first ballot LSB Hall of Fame.

HH is that a sock in your puppet or are you happy to see me?

by BigGuns on Oct 21, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stay in touch you tough old bastard

Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...

Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?

by Brian Thomas on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

100% agree

you need anything Ed, you know where to find us

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Oct 23, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus one

 I wish nothing but the best to you Ed. Hope you’re able to stick around the digital water cooler here at LSB.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Oct 23, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said sir

I am in total agreement about the bias against those who havent played/coached/etc. in giving assessments. If anything I think there might be a tendency for ex-players to be less accurate in their analysis of their former sport, not because I think athletes are inherently stupid, but just for the fact that being so intimately involved in a sport for a good portion of one’s life sacrifices some of the objectivity that an outside party has. There are some exceptions, but there are also plenty of examples of ex-players/coaches whose opinion is given far too high regard by media outlets or the fans getting their news from those outlets.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Oct 22, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Would this also apply

if the topic was law and if so, would a group of retired lawyers be less informative than a bunch of non-lawyers? How about if the subject was flying an airplane, would the opinions of the ticket-buying public be more valuable than a group of experienced pilots?

by twinkilling on Oct 23, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it would not apply

Those situations are not analogous to what is being discussed here.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 2, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If anything

…there’s a bias here in favor of the geeky stuff.

by Black Francis on Oct 29, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a preference for it? Yes

I think LSB readers are by and large fairly baseball literate fans. So I think we give more credence to analyses that employ sound logic that to analyses whose appeal is primarily based on the (often misapplied) authority of the person giving them.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 2, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

All the best old friend...

now go out there and you finish the filming of “Lemon Party 2: Boop Boop ba Doo!.”

by cmkelly29 on Oct 27, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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