I'm in favor of getting all the calls correct, whatever it takes. I don't see how [commissioner Bud Selig] can get away with not [introducing instant replay]. It makes no sense not to. There's nothing better than getting every call right.
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t know who this Don Denkinger is…….but I like him!!
Make him the new instant replay supervisor and put him in charge of quality control over these idiot umpires.
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Oct 22, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anarchy, Anarhcy
I dont know what that is, but i love it
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by Michael Cave on Oct 22, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I don’t know who this Don Denkinger is…….
Really?
He’s the umpire involved in one of the most famous blown calls in World Series history, that cost the Cardinals a World Series.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 22, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit, I didn't recognize that was him by name.
I’m not too savvy about baseball’s past…..but that’s why I love it here at LSB.
I’m here to talk about baseball (what little I know) and learn from you know-it-all’s.
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Oct 22, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just seeing the name "Denkinger" hurts.......
……..In the 24 years since then, I’ve come to grips with the fact that if Jack Clark could have caught a foul ball and a few other things had been done differently, the Redbirds would have found a way to win that Series in 6, despite that call.
But Denkinger will always be the bane of my existence.
by Hard8 on Oct 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've met him
And Don is a standup guy. His call in that series has to haunt him even today. He is from Cedar Falls, Iowa and was just breaking into umpiring when I was leaving Iowa for a job with the airline, first to Tulsa then later to DFW. He went from ISHAA to collegate pretty fast, and I don’t know his minor league to major league track.
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by Ed Coffin on Oct 22, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen interviews with the guy.....
…he seems like a decent enough fellow, and at least he’s owned up to the fact that he blew the call. And certainly did NOT deserve the death threats and all that crap that he had to endure.
But I was 10 years old when that call happened, and at that time my sports heart was broken and, even if it was faulty thinking, Don Denkinger was the cause.
by Hard8 on Oct 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as they put a 30 second time limit on it
i’d be okay with it. if you can’t tell after 30 seconds, play stands.
by SteveP on Oct 22, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Instant replay
If used to make sure every call is correct, the average baseball game length will be as long as a cricket match.
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep.t
Maybe they should just eliminate the field umps, call balls and strikes electronically and call all plays from the replay booth.
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by DJCahill on Oct 22, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it would seem weird.....
but we easily have the technology in place to do this right now. Just flash up on the jumbotron whether the runner was safe or out.
….but it would be weird.
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Oct 22, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think
once you go to replay and start second guessing the guys on the field all the time, you might as well just get rid of them.
The only problem with that right now is that amount of cameras on a game is dependent on who is covering it. The obvious solution to standardizing that is to take away all the local broadcasting rights and blackout rules away, and give the broadcasting to MLB. This would also help to level the revenue playing field between teams.
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by DJCahill on Oct 22, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can pry YES and NESN out of their cold, dead hands
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feared second guessing might start happening in the NFL with challenges.....
…but now I think it helps them in knowing that they have a system in place to get it right. I watch NFL games now and automatically assume the coach will just challenge the call (if the blown call is important enough)….instead of just thinking, ah crap!!, this game is rigged. With challenges, you at least feel more like a game can’t be “fixed” or a game decided on one blown call now. Especially with every play looked at inside of 2 minutes.
The challenge system has just become an automatic part of the game now in the NFL. I’m sure most people don’t really see it as a stop down, or a dealying of the game, or a taking away of the human element as much as they did in the beginning.
Baseball should at least have a challenge system in place so the manager can decide whether the bad call is important enough to stop the game down. Maybe 2 times a game.
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Oct 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I hate replay, and I hate it in baseball, but I have to admit the NFL challenge system works pretty well. Basically because it severely limits replay.
But I like Cowlishaw’s take, if you like replay in baseball great, but be aware theres no bigger judgment call than balls and strikes, and if you want to start replaying every 3rd strike and 4th ball too, fine, enjoy your five hour games.
I thought baseball was supposed to be “pure” and the one sport above all this crap, right.
I like how AJM picks a qoute that bashes Selig of course too. Like it’s Selig’s decision. You know, of course the Umpires Union, the group with the real power, has nothing to do with it, since you know, labor unions are wonderful to liberals.
Of course in reality, it’s the Ump union not Selig preventing it, just like it was the players union preventing steroid testing all those years, and it all gets blamed on Selig by tortured liberal logic.
by Sharky on Oct 22, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the end of the day though...
Nothing matters more than getting calls right…it is ultimately that simple
balls and strikes should never be open to replay though
Fuck Mike Estabrook
by Horns130 on Oct 23, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and thats the way I likes it!
The game just wouldnt be the same with computer umpires. The mob would hire hackers to rig the games!!
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't care
I want to make sure every call is correct.
by Anonymous New Guy on Oct 22, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you're fine with a game that takes an entire day?
Heck even in college football replay is making the games much longer than they should be. Last weekends texas/ou game for example. They were going to the replay booth for every little thing.
After a while reviewing everything just gets silly.
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In football there's a lot more going on
Control of football, kneww down, spot of the ball, etc. In baseball the calls are:
- beat the throw
- fair or foul
- trap or catch
- tagged up
- HBP
That’s pretty much it.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home run or double
But yeah, seriously. How long could it take? Do it like the NFL, give each team 2 or 3 challenges per game. Have somebody that just sits in the booth and watches replays, and call it down to the manager on whether or not to challenge. Crew chief then goes over to the replay booth, reviews the call, and makes a decision. No more than a couple of minutes and you have the piece of mind of knowing that they got the call right. I’m totally in favor of it, how could you not be? Selig is an idiot.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
by txhc on Oct 22, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're an idiot
For pretending like it’s Seligs call. It’s the ump unions call. So call the umps idiots.
You’ll probably blame GW Bush next, hey, he’s conservative/rich too, it must be his fault also.
by Sharky on Oct 22, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
explain how the game would take an entire day? because I doubt you can
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously im exaggerating
but reviewing every single play would take extra time and the game would be longer.
there is no need to review every foul ball, etc.
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many close plays are there in a game?
Most SBs are close and tagging up is always a close play. Almost all others are clear.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just about every single ball/strike call
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Oct 22, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ball/strike
that’s a whole different animal. Eventually, I would like automated calls but that can be completely divorced from a replay system. You could still have replay systems for close calls at the plate
Also, I’m not sure instantaneous ball/strike calls are here yet, which is the only way it would work.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone has suggested review of that
It seems that people are pretty unanimous that replay wouldn’t be used for that, which I’m fine with. It seems that plate umps are consistent to both teams.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long does it take to review every play?
and how fast is this game? this isn’t basketball. people scratch their nuts for 2 minutes between every play routinely. i think we could get in an extra look between nut scratching time
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could do like in football
Take away all the plays because “the games take too long”, then introduce replay to really make them long.
I guess we’d get calls to cut baseball games to 7 innings after a while.
by Sharky on Oct 22, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
It’s a scientific fact that 95% of the calls are routine matters.* It’s the 5% that are bitched about that you review. Manager comes out and by the time his fat ass is halfway to the ump it’s already been reviewed. Instant replay would speed up the games because you wouldn’t have managers whining for 5 minutes about a call that’s never going to be changed no matter what they say. Instead, the ump will either say “nope” or “we’ll change the call” based on whatever the replay ump says.
- (not a scientific fact)
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id be perfectly fine with that
only review the small amount of real questionable calls.
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of what I'm thinking...
The manager is going to come out and bitch anyway on close calls. If you’ve got a guy in the booth dedicated to this already, he’s seen the replay 3 or 4 times before the manager is done arguing.
by Bandire on Oct 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely not true
you don’t need a convoluted flag system. you just need an ump watching the game upstairs and going over the replays – relaying down to the guys down there that the guy was safe.
and i’m pretty sure that extra 30 seconds wouldnt’ be a big deal. or did you forget that this is baseball and pitchers take 2 and a half minutes between batters? or that managers routinely come out onto the field for no apparent reason because they never get a call reversed? or that umpires conference on close calls anyway but since the other umpire is 80 ft away it probably won’t matter?
no offense, but this is the stupidest argument for not having instant replay
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, its an exaggeration
obviously it wouldnt make the game last an entire day, but no review system is perfect and I used football as an example. In the college game it has lengthened the play time of the game.
And theres a rule against how long pitchers are supposed to take it just doesn’t get enforced enough.
If you have a dedicated ump in a booth making all the calls why have anyone on the field?
And no, worrying about a long game being longer isn’t the stupidest argument every against instant replay.
The dumbest argument is the old timer who says it just aint right having computers call the game and they prefer the human element.
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in order
-football is the worst implementation of instant replay
-doesn’t matter that the rule doesn’t get enforced, the games wouldn’t be any longer; especially considering how much longer the time between plays are for disputed calls
-who cares
-thinking that instant replay will make a game longer is a stupid argument
-coming up with a stupider argument doesn’t really do much for me
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The initial implementation
of football instant replay was even worse than the current version.
There were no challenges, and a guy in the booth would replay whatever he saw fit to replay. I went to a cowboy Dolphin game that had 14 replays, none of them were important plays, and it stretched out the game an hours.
The challenge system is much better than that steaming pile of shit was.
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by DJCahill on Oct 22, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's still not good
but
1) football is a very different game. it is actually fast paced (compared to baseball), especially on game ending drives and there is a tempo aspect to the game you don’t want to mess with. the offense should control the tempo, not the refs. in baseball, the pitcher barely controls the tempo, especially true between batters
2) that archaic instant replay doesn’t have the benefit of digital video technology. and instant replay should be instantaneous and the results should be communicated instantaneously.
Why does a football ref have to go that camera box?
Why is that camera box so effing far away?
why can’t the guy upstairs just decide?
Why can’t the guy upstairs, once he decides, just tell the ref by ear piece? or a phone? or a walkie talkie? or just broadcast it over the PA?
I dont’ really fault the NFL because they make use of the 10 on field cameras to get the best angle and that takes time. But they have a system where they only have 4-5 replays a game and they can take that extra tme. For baseball, just use one camera replay (on the bag, or the one pointed at the foul pole, etc.) and that’s it. communicator to the umpire’s ear – safe, out – and move on.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how would it NOT make it longer?
saying it wont make it any longer seems even dumber to me. sure it could eventually get to a point that its seamless but that would take time.
And I don’t give a shit if coming up with a stupider argument does much for you or not. your argument doesn’t do much for me either.
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it won't take so much longer
it won’t last a day, or even an hour longer, or even 30 minutes longer. at most, it would add maybe 5 -10 minutes. maybe.
and at the point you concede it would eventually be seamless, then this is a stupid argument. i don’t care if the game takes longer for a year as long as we don’t have terrible calls in 5
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im just going to stop replying
when you retort with “its stupid” all the time.
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that’s clearly all i said. i characterized the argument, not you. pointless, would have worked just as well
but sorry i hurt your feelings
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you didnt
I just fail to see how instant replay is going to be quick and successful and worth that much effort.
You think it would be. But to call someones opinion stupid is just… stupid. It’s not like saying replay would lengthen the game is some off the wall old school randy galloway idea where I call stat heads nerds who live in their moms basements.
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by rentz on Oct 22, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no guaranteee that instant replay would lengthen the game
You’re talking about it like it’s a foregone conclusion which it isn’t. Think about how many times you’ve watched a game, seen a replay showing X even before the next pitch is thrown. Think about the long arguments by managers and you sitting at home know whether he’s right wrong.
Here’s a three minute argument that could be averted (although that would be a damn shame given how funny it is).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl-4FSRYagc
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't sound like an opinion to me
“he average baseball game length will be as long as a cricket match.”
sounds like a hyperbolized fact. but what is stupid about it is people who continue to advance this theory about why baseball shouldn’t adopt instant replay because it for the most part is wrong and has very little foundation in fact. it assumes a really bloated and inefficient replay system to reject the whole idea, which isn’t a very productive way to think about it.
it can’t be true that all replay systems will make the game considerably longer. the issue is can mlb implement a system that won’t make the game that much longer and I could easily see a system that wouldn’t.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replay
I think one way to satisfy all parties would be to expand the umpire crew to have one more spot in the rotation for a replay umpire. If the guy in the press box is an actual umpire, you don’t run into the fraternity bullshit. The umpires would hopefully go for it without a fight because it creates more jobs and basically gives them a day off in the rotation. You also don’t have to stop down and take the whole crew off the field to the video room, so it should be much faster than what they do on home run reviews.
The cost of the extra salary is a drawback, but they have to do something at this point. Maybe they only do this for the post season , but there’s no excuse for letting bad calls affect the outcome of series anymore.
by Bandire on Oct 22, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Use the challenge system
Give each manager 2 or 3 challenges per game with the final inning or two left to the discretion of the "replay: booth.
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by Parman on Oct 22, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
* "replay"
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by Parman on Oct 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda defeats the purpose of trying to get "every call" right
Besides, if you’ve already to a replay booth ump then use him. There’s maybe 3-4 questionable calls a game. Reviewing those and getting them right takes less time than a manager and ump arguing about the call.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
take the challenge system and burn it and then force everyone in this country to forget it ever existed.
the challenge system is the most nonsensical thing that has ever happened to instant replay.
right down to the stupid flag.
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wholeheartedly disagree
Fuck Mike Estabrook
by Horns130 on Oct 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see how things could get slowed down
Right now, managers only have so much credibility with the umps and they won’t spend it unless they really think a call’s been blown. With a replay ump I could see managers wandering out on lots of close plays even if they think they’re wrong saying to themself “what the hell – maybe he snuck a hand in under the tag” or “looked fair but might as well double check it.” Still, as quick as instant replay is just on TV I don’t see a real problem.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you shouldn't have it manager initiated
i dont’ see why the nfl or mlb would think you would need that check. umpires don’t want to be lambasted after a game for getting a call wrong. they would be the ones that would initiate the check anyway.
but you wouldn’t need anybody initiating the check. get good cameras and have a replay analyzed within 30 seconds. if it looks close, just guess. we only care about egregious calls. the process shouldn’t take that long and would be maybe used a maximum of 10 times in a game.
but managers are dumb and would come out onto the field regardless (they also have other reasons for doing that – which I tend to think are usually dumb)
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying the manager "initiates" it
I think there should be ongoing review by a replay ump. However, if a manager thinks a call on the field was wrong he’s going to go out there to make sure the guy upstairs has enough time to double check the call on the field. Once the manager is informed yea or nay he leaves. But the point remains – managers might have more incentive to argue calls he thinks are probably correct just on the off chance the replay ump sees something that was missed on the field.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that makes sense
i don’t really like it but I guess you would probably end up needing that. It would be nicer if an umpire had enough awareness to realize that a play was too close too much to ask for
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is every call at 1B going to be reviewable?
Many times from the replay you cannot tell if the runner beat the throw.
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by RangerMad on Oct 22, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if you can't, then you can't
and if you can’t , then nobody can so who cares. you take a look, if you can’t tell, the umpire’s ruling stands.
people don’t (usually) get that mad about calls that are so close that replay can’t tell. we get mad about calls that replays CLEARLY SHOW was wrong
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
by ab03 on Oct 22, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Similar to the undisputable evidence standard used in football. If you can’t see enough to overturn a call then you don’t do it. Nothing’s ever going to stop fans of one team seeing things one way versus fans from the opposing team. But replay can eliminate the obvious screwups.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 22, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they are going to review a call at 1B
about once an inning or two?
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Oct 22, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think replays would be somewhat like football
where you have a limited number. and instead of a red challenge flag, they’ll throw out a bag of peanuts or sunflower seeds.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 22, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there arent that many close calls in a game
and as some said…most of them can be looked at in 30 seconds
Fuck Mike Estabrook
by Horns130 on Oct 23, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Denkinger, and from my point of view
it’s all about avoiding that terrible feeling you get as a fan when your team is hosed. I even feel bad when the Rangers are on the ‘got away with one’ end of a bad call. I’ll gladly take a little delay to get the calls right. And I could be wrong but I bet it would create more parity in MLB, especially if they used a strike zone machine. If they used every means to get calls right, we’d finally see if they really do ‘all even out.’
by jcAustin on Oct 22, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh hey look here
The umps union chief saying no to replay, Oct 21
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aCHm7rcEG1ps
But you know, it’s all Selig’s doing…of course. Ask AJM.
by Sharky on Oct 22, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because you know
Liberals like AJM cant attack Unions. It just has to be Selig’s fault.
by Sharky on Oct 22, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Sharky
He made it all the way around from El Paso to Orange to Marshall to Wichita Falls to Odessa then back through Abilene and Waco to Austin in a pink Volvo with a “ban guns” sticker on the bumper …. there is no evidence he’s a liberal.
/cracking up
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 22, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think
Sharky is one of those damn liberals.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 23, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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