AFL/Winter ball Thread
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 27, 2009 2:38 PM CDT
178 comments
Here's a thread to disscuss the AFL and winterball happenings.
Stats for the AFL (11/3)
Pitchers:
Tanner Scheppers: 9IP 5H 3R 2BB 9K
Danny Gutierrez: 11IP 9H 5R 6BB 8K
Evan Reed: 5IP 6H 4ER 4BB 5K 2HR
Brennan Garr: 7.2IP 7H 4ER 2BB 5K 1HR
Matt Harrison: 3IP 4H 5R 4BB 3K
Hitters:
Mitch Moreland: .319 15-47 2-2B 2-HR 7RBI 6BB 8K 10R
Doug Hogan: .154 4-26 2B HR RBI BB10K
Marcus Lemon: .313 10-33 2B 3B 4RBI 3BB 7K 1SB
Taylor Teagarden: .286 4-14 5K BB
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OT. A's prospect Jeremy Barfield tweeted that the
“Fox Trax is the dumbest thing since ESPN’s win probability a couple years back”. I told him that the Fox Trax was the same thing as MLB’s Pitch FX and that Fangraphs had a better win probability sheet with a link to it and he said
all that crap is for people who never played. Same reason why they just invented the OPS stat. Just so wannabees stay busy
LOL
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 22, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Galloway loves this guy
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by NothinG on Oct 22, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Francouer has a challenger for most ingorant ballplayer of the decade
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 22, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might want to know that he's gonna be a wanna be if he doesn't raise his .732 OPS.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 22, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A certain cj wilson quote applies here
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Oct 22, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scheppers in for Surprise
Pitch F/X is active.
by spurdynasty on Oct 22, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Struck out first hitter with 96 MPH fastball, 97 MPH fastball, and 84 MPH curveball.
Popped out second hitter with 97 MPH fastball, 97 MPH fastball, 80 MPH curveball, 98 MPH fastball, and 97 MPH fastball.
Struck out the third hitter with 98 MPH fastball, 84 MPH curveball, and 81 MPH curveball.
by spurdynasty on Oct 22, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he pitch last night?
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 22, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. He pitched on the 20th.
98 heat to 80 yakker and back again. I’m beginning to think Scheppers > Feliz.
The only thing I dislike about Scheppers thus far is that he works up in the zone. So far, it works for him.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 22, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A quick look at his Pitch F/X profile
His curveball doesn’t have nearly the break that Gutierrez has (-6 vertical for Schepper vs -10 vertical fro Gutierrez), but he throws it a lot harder (82 MPH for Scheppers vs 75 MPH for Gutierrez). The Rangers have two of the more interesting pitchers in the AFL.
by spurdynasty on Oct 22, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive my unknowingness, but -6
is -6 inches, right?
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Magnum; Neutral Milk Hotel
by jdh90 on Oct 23, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 is plenty
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 23, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Gutierrez’s pitch would remind me of Sele a little. It is difficult for umps to call those strikes.. The catcher can catch the ball barely off the ground but where it crossed the front of the plate it would be a strike. The umps won’t call it that way though.
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by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they're both new
which is nice
by Brett Perryman on Oct 24, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insta-boner.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by lonestarJon on Oct 22, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ
holy shit.
If he continues to pitch like this, I’m going to cry if he ends up in the pen long-term.
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Magnum; Neutral Milk Hotel
by jdh90 on Oct 23, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
That’s pretty awesome. He’ll get started in Hickory probably, right?
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet he gets sent to AA
with a good showing in the AFL, considering much of the AFL is higher level talent.
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by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frisco is what I'm expecting as well.
I asked JD about that in Durrett’s chat, but uhhh, I forgot what his answer was. Probably undecided or something vague like that.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 23, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows
Todd Trice (Fort Worth)
Where do you expect Tanner Scheppers to be assigned to start 2010? What about Robbie Ross?
Jon Daniels
(1:08 PM)
A little early to say on Scheppers, but he’s impressed in a short time in Instructs. The ball comes out of his hand like it does with very few, and he’s got two legit power breaking balls. He could be a quick mover in the system, but let’s see how the AFL and spring training treat him before we announce where he’s going specifically… Ross, consistent with how we’ve handled the other HS pitchers we’ve signed recently, is probably on target to see Hickory this year.
Hickory is probably too low. They might want him to just skip Bakersfield all together. Maybe Frisco it is.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Oct 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, don't bring up Todd Trice to Tricer. He fuckin' hates that guy. He slept with his wife.
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Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Oct 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Hickory or Bakersfield to start if they want to bring him along slowly as they stretch him out.
Gradually increasing his workload would be easier at those levels I’d think.
But, saying that, Frisco’d be my bet, too.
As long as they keep him as a starter I could care less where we start him, though.
Good lord am I pumped about this sexy little broseph.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Oct 23, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Cole
Leaning towards ranking TS above MPer and Smoak off early reports.
by shroomer on Oct 23, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is bold
i still put Perez, who is 5 years younger than Scheppers and at the same level if Scheppers is put in AA.. Perez is only going to get better.
Smoak was drafted last year, so it would be a toss up. Both players fell to us, thank goodness. I take Smoak because he is closer to the Majors, but possibly only by a month or two.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im hoping Frisco
For selfish reasons
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Oct 23, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 23, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
i’m in McKinney, and I would definitely go see Scheppers as soon as he pitchers. I am looking forward to seeing Martin Perez as well. Next year can be a really good year with our entire ballclub. majors especially. I’m getting off track but this offseason is crucial.
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by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 MM!!!!!!
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, and me Hickory ;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Oct 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get Martin Perez.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Oct 23, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get Braden Tullis.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 23, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Kukichi?
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Tomas Telis
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you already got Martin
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
I think I love him already
"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs
by BAC on Oct 23, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland goes yard.
Rangers, represent!
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 22, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
@Jason_Grey: Tanner Scheppers = Nasty McFilthy
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 22, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland just went yard.
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Oct 22, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone in the Rangers' FO
commented on why Lemon is playing CF?
Also, I think Moreland’s foot is OK.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Oct 22, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
increase his versatility probably
He is blocked at the major league level and so the more versatile they can get him the more likely he could stick as a utility guy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 23, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max went 2-4 with a bomb and a BB
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law Chat Yesterday:
Ryan (Chicago)
What can you tell me about Mitchell Moreland? His numbers are real good, but I have not really heard any hype about the guy. Thanks Klaw.
Klaw
(1:33 PM)
Liked the swing, fluid, repeats it, good approach, above average raw power. Better prospect than I thought he was before the trip.
"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs
by BAC on Oct 23, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Harrison fans:
Tell me why I should be excited about him.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beautifully phrased guitar solo
on Something, and his humanitarian work was certainly laudable.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed the fugitive
but most of the excitement should probably come from his trilogies – Indiana Jones and Star Wars.
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by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, exactly
the kid can bring gas sometimes (sometimes he’s just a soft tossing lefty)… Im not really sure what to expect of him though, he’s so stinking inconsistent
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
by blalock84 on Oct 23, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a LOOGY
his mid-nineties heat would look pretty good
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Oct 23, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's his afraid mindset
If he could get of his mental fear of the MLB then I could see him being a Joe Saunders clone.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tanner
could be our Joba.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sick
of Joba being compared to any Ranger pitcher. Joba was great as a reliever, but hasn’t quite transitioned successfully to the starting role. We’ll see what he does next year. J
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by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tanner >>> Joba
Joba didn’t have the secondary stuff Tanner is showing.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 23, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not trying to set a ceiling...
The only parallel I was really referring two was that they both slipped due to injury concerns and then showed top five stuff upon making their debuts in winter ball. I agree that IF he stays healthy, he could easily have the higher upside.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Oct 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose the way they were drafted is a similar comparison
but my reaction also stems from the Yankees wanting to rule everything, much like on Feliz’s wikipedia page, and a Yankee fan keeps trying to edit it to put a comparison of Joba and the use of “Joba rules” in the description. ridiculous
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by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was pretty good as a starter in 2008
This year was just ok it wasn’t really good or bad. Next year is big for him I think to see if he bounces back toward 2008 levels or slides even further downward
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 23, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Joba is better as a bullpen guy
and that Phil would be a better starter.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do too
But to say Joba hasn’t transitioned that well to a starter isn’t entirely true. He had a decent year this past year by most standards but compared to his 2008 as a starter it was a big dropoff. How he bounces back next year will tell more on how he will be long term.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 23, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too... except that there's actually a pretty good parallel between Joba and Tanner.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
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by thedirkatron on Oct 23, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you get my email for basketball?
by tyd3311 on Oct 23, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
It included the league name and password, but I didn’t see the ID number, so it hasn’t let me sign up. I still want to, so if there’s still space, try and send it again.
Thanks!
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit, my bad
i forgot that was a requirement, i need to resend a few emails then.
by tyd3311 on Oct 23, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw your email explaining that
It somehow ended up in my spam folder
by tyd3311 on Oct 23, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The similarities
are striking at this point
by Brett Perryman on Oct 24, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is Michael Torrealba?
I saw him listed as a 19 year old on MaxRam’s winter team roster and that he isn’t affiliated with a big league team, which is rare in winter ball for a young player.
His stats are pretty eye opening so far, although he is listed as a 5’11" RHP who weighs 150 lbs. Still, some team would have to be tempted to take a shot, right?
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Oct 23, 2009 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In the Tigers system, apparently
out of Venezuela.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=torrea001mic
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 23, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
i wish i could delete posts, because i realized that shortly after posting. I don’t know why they didn’t list his affiliation on the roster like they do with the other players.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the mlb and milb sites leave much to be desired
and not linking to another page with his overall minor league stats is just one way they’re lame, or just simply listing them all on one page with the option to hide/show this or that season. Only showing stats for their most recent minor league team is also stupid and annoying.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 23, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
@BBrownAFL Ranger fans……get to know the name Tanner Scheppers!
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ok, I'm starting to get excited...
…was trying to temper the enthusiasm due to obvious concerns, but it’s over…
I’m full on board.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If BBrown wants to tout Scheppers, that's his prerogative!
It just so happens to be mine as well.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 23, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheppers.... He's a ghostbuster, and he's in control.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 23, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheppers.... He's a ghostbuster, and he's in control.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 23, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does Scheppers compare to Verlander?
Just from hearing the reports on his fastball velocity and that hard curve makes me think of Verlander
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scheppers >>>>>>>>>> Verlander
;)
It is a great thing to know the season for speech and the season for silence.
--Seneca
by bioaggie on Oct 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just ejaculated a little.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
by txhc on Oct 31, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to pitch f/x, the fastball/combo of Scheppers most closely aligns with Verlander of all ML pitchers.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 31, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Feliz, Holland, Scheppers, Perez
Need to be starters. Perez, I would think would be another full year away, but Scheppers could get the call this year. In a year or two our rotation could be filled with TORP or close to it plus a whole slew of other pitchers in our system that can be used for the bullpen. Our rotation is gonna get crowded fast. I can’t remember this type of pitching talent in our system…EVER! This is getting me excited. I think i’ll explode before opening day next year if Scheppers and Gutierrez continue to pitch this well and Perez has a great showing in the VWL. Literally EXPLODE!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And just think if Main bounces back
by BrentTaylor21 on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
He was a top 5 in the system following 2008, so WOW!!!
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Oct 24, 2009 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if somebody we're not expecting breaks out and shows TORP potential a la Holland in 2008
"Feldman and Feliz and and pray for…infectious disease?"--TheJeezus on Sep 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KABOOOOOOOM
Im pumped, it seriously is a good time to be a Ranger’s fan. I love having Perez, Schepps, and Gutz all around the AA level with a host of solid 4/5 canidates at the AAA/MLB level now.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
by blalock84 on Oct 23, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But seriously, I now see why a lot of scouts.....
have commented that the Ranger’s minor league system, specifically the pitching is “SICK”!
Not sure anyone has had this many/much exciting young pitching…..WTF, the Ranger’s are becoming the 90’s Braves!
by tklawless on Oct 23, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except better
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Oct 23, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
People have told me, “oh this is just like DVD, these guys aren’t going to pan out.” Not like it at all. The prospect gurus were cautioning excitement on DVD saying they weren’t all TORPs like we thought. Now, the prospect gurus are as excited, if not moreso, than we are about our guys.
This potential is just sick.
"Feldman and Feliz and and pray for…infectious disease?"--TheJeezus on Sep 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Oct 30, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
in the past, i’ve been used to prospects being hyped inside the organization, but when you look outside the organization, those prospects aren’t looked on as highly. It is completely different this time around, and we have way more depth in pitching than, i would venture to say, we’ve EVER had.
Feliz = Mr. ‘makes-me-oh-so’ Happy
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by NothinG on Oct 30, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He came back early
@Jason_Grey Matt Harrison must be feeling healthy again – touching 94 in short AFL stint #Rangers
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Harrison back healthy is really good news
It will allow us to either keep Feliz in OKC for a little while to manage his innings or put him in the bullpen next year from the get go.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 23, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So where does the system rank this year?
I doubt their number #1 again with all the graduations, but how the team has reloaded makes me think a top 3 for sure.
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by Parman on Oct 23, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Cle and ATL are better?
They are the only two I can think of.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atl?
I don’t think so. Too shallow.
Oakland, Cleveland and maybe Boston.
by LiamP on Oct 23, 2009 8:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot Tampa
I think Cleveland is 1 though.
by LiamP on Oct 23, 2009 8:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think the A's still have to be up there
with their trade of Holliday etc. They are close. Either way, we have a great system, and for me it doesn’t seem weaker than last year at all even with the Borbon, Feliz and Holland promotions. Although, Feliz still counts as a prospect because of his Rookie status, so we are definitely top 3.
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by NothinG on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland would be 2 for me
Cleveland is just fucking loaded.
by LiamP on Oct 23, 2009 9:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Who is at the top of Cleveland's system?
I know LaPorta and Santana but I’m drawing a blank on the rest right now.
"Feldman and Feliz and and pray for…infectious disease?"--TheJeezus on Sep 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Oct 30, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rondon, Chisenhall and Weglarz
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 30, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White, Knapp, Carrasco
LaPorta isn’t a prospect any more, though.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 30, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White is nice
Knapp’s arm blew up already and as K-Law said Carlos “the human panic attack” Carrasco will never get the most out of his tools.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 31, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a good thing they are loaded
considering their fans had to watch their two former pitchers go head to head in the first game of the world series. I could see that being traumatic for fans.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Oct 30, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably too shallow but Heyward is so good he can make up for some lack of depth
"Feldman and Feliz and and pray for…infectious disease?"--TheJeezus on Sep 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Oct 30, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to be at least considered for #1
I think it would be relatively safe to say that no team is going to have as much firepower at the top of the system. Feliz is a top 5, Smoak probably in the top 20, and Perez and Scheppers might have enough helium to be considered for the top 50. Not sure there is another team with that much top end, near ready talent. Then there is a ton of solid depth behind those 4.
Maybe I’m being a homer, but I think Texas deserves at least serious consideration for the top spot again.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 23, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe top 15
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 23, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez is pretty much a lock for most top 25's as well
Say Feliz in the 4-8 range. Smoak at 10-15, Perez at or around 25, Scheppers in the 50-75 range. Then don’t forget Kiker, Moreland, Font, Medonca , Ross, Main, and MaxRam all have a chance to be sprinkeld in the 80-150 range.
If Texas adds Kukichi…. Wow.. We might push back to #1
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Oct 23, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Kukichi decided on Japan?
Also, maybe we should tap the breaks a bit on Medonca, eh?
Still, it’s hard to be cynical about it. Hopefully some of these guys will be more like Jered Weaver when they start pitching as starters for the Rangers instead of Holland’s past year. It’s nice to finally be at the point of graduating talent to the majors, now I’m ready for them to start reaching their major league potential (more consistently).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 27, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully some of these guys will be more like Jered Weaver when they start pitching as starters for the Rangers instead of Holland’s past year.
Like Tommy Hunter?
by Brett Perryman on Oct 27, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...let's see:
Weaver: 123 IP, 11-2, 2.56 ERA, 3.99 tRA, 3.90 FIP, with a 7.7 K/9 and 2.4 BB/9
Hunter: 112 IP, 9-6, 4.10 ERA, 5.27 tRA, 4.40 FIP with a 5.1 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9
Hunter was certainly a very pleasant surprise, but I don’t think you can compare it to the excitement that Weaver’s rookie season would have elicited. To be fair, Weaver ended up looking better than he was with a .246 BABIP and a 86.2 LOB% and suffered some regression the next year. Hunter, at .284 BABIP and 71.7 LOB%, probably suffers less regression due to luck next year.
Granted, if the highly regarded rookies put up Hunter numbers instead of Holland numbers in their first starting seasons on their way to establishing their MLB quality (be it ceiling or average projection), that would make this team a lot more competitive as far as building from within while competing.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 27, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you want
some rookie Cy Youngs.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 27, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only area where I would disagree with you guys
is in the group after Feliz, Smoak, Perez, Scheppers. With Borbon exhausting his prospect status and Purke not signing, I think that there will be what is viewed as a big gap before the next group of guys. A lot of us had high hopes for Main going in, and Font made progress, but neither of them, nor any of Kiker, Beavan, etc. distinguished himself as close to a top 100 player. Some of the strong systems will probably be viewed as noticeably stronger than Texas in, say, the 5-8 range. Texas, of course, still has great depth, and that top foursome can stack up against most anyone’s. One guy who may help is Guttierrez if much stock is put in the stuff he’s shown late in the season, rather than his issues.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 27, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about people like
Robbie Ross and Max Ramirez? Doesn’t that help out in that range some?
I guess I’m saying a 5-9 of say Guttierez, Font, Ramirez, Main and Ross doesn’t seem that bad to me.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 27, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean I guess it depends on how you look at it
but from a national perspective, no, it’s not a real strong 5-9. The top systems, like Texas, Florida and Oakland last year, have guys in all of those spots who are definite top 100s and then good cases for top 100s. None of those guys is very close to that, no. I think that Main, for example, could be as good as some guys in that range, but to argue that he’s as strong as the equivalent in top systems, you’re getting into homerism and myopia.
by Brett Perryman on Oct 27, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha.
I wasn’t trying to suggest that it was one of the best, but thank you for the clarification.
Also, to what were talking about above, I agree with what you are saying. I fully expect rookie pitchers to go through struggles. I’m just pointing out that for as much as I/we are for building through the farm system, it’s frustrating to think about the growing pains of rookie pitchers hurting the Rangers chances at the playoffs. Obviously, long-term it’s necessary. Hopefully, Holland’s results next year are closer to some of his peripherals and round out a consistent starting 4 pitchers (with Millwood, Feldman, and Hunter).
Having the 5th rotation spot be more variable/less effective is not as much of a concern, but it seems like it would be difficult to carry 2 struggling rookies for a whole year and still challenge for the playoffs. Thus, my comment about how it would be nice if one of these guys came in and lit it up from the get go (a la Weaver, Liriano, etc). They are highly rated enough when they are making their debuts and there’s enough of them, I hope it can happen.
Obviously though, you’d take what Hunter gave you this year from any rookie (or almost any starter). I’m not trying to be a homer, just ready for the Rangers to make that final push.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison today:
2IP 1H 2ER 1BB 2K
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 27, 2009 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gutierrez today:
2IP 3H 2ER 1BB 4K 1HR
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 27, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hay Tanner
a mid-90’s fastball is great and all but you need to starting getting that fucking thing down. Up in the zone and getting hammered.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 27, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3 singles into CF and double down the line LF will do it to you
who is playing SS and what range does he have…
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Oct 27, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is some ratty hair
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 27, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has "feral kid from 'Mad Max'" hair
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 28, 2009 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tanner Pan
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 31, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely befitting of a Tanner.
BTW, I can’t wait for NoName to break down his mechanics.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 28, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garr today:
1IP 0H 0R 0BB 1K
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 28, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pretty decent showing
by our collective pitchers so far. I’d love to see Schep and Gute bounce back with strong outings next time out.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Oct 28, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really liked the K's from Danny
He just made a bad pitch that got hit out. Which happens a ton in the AFL. Tanner just needs to get the ball down and he’ll go back to being a badass.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 28, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
location location location
it sure helps. so do we have a nickname for Schepp yet or do we settle for McFilthy
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 28, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AFL today:
Moreland: 2-3 BB RBI K
Teagarden: 0-4 2K
Lemon: 1-4 3B R
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 29, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's understandable
TT would be a little rusty playing for the first time in a long time.
Does Moreland start in AA or AAA next year? I would think AA then promoted quickly to AAA. Thinking about it, should we package him in a deal with a couple pitching prospects to try to get a frontline starter.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 29, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say AA...
then promote him to OKC when Smoak goes to Arlington.
Although as you said, Moreland could be an interesting trade chip. He won’t bring back a frontline starter though unless those pitching prospects you speak of include one of Holland/Feliz/Perez. Who knows.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In that article, sounds like JD....
is thinking OKC……A bit funny he (understatedly) said the guy he faced that day (Strasberg) had the best stuff he’d seen out there……probably won’t see too many Strasberg types at OKC…..probably not ’til he gets to the Bigs.
by tklawless on Oct 30, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
is MaxRam going to start at catcher in OKC then? Will they stick Moreland in the OF?
I suppose you could have Smoak at 1B. Split MaxRam at C/DH and Moreland at OF/DH.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland's good showing in the AFL
means that he will probably start the 2010 season in Oklahoma. Hopefully, the presence of Smoak and Moreland will help revive MaxRam’s bat. Ramirez was a terror in 2008 when he was hitting in a line-up with other productive sluggers (Davis, Harrison, Majewski, and Murphy were all great for Frisco in ’08) but struggled when he was the primary power hitter in Oklahoma at the end of ’08 and in ’09.
by spurdynasty on Oct 31, 2009 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
The Arizona Fall League’s Rising Star game is going to be on the MLB Network on Saturday. Does anyone know where you can find a roster of who will be playing in that?
by GregoryM on Nov 2, 2009 8:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
what happened to Matt Harrison today?
Yikes.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Nov 2, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
0IP 2H 3ER 3BB 0K.
Gutierrez 3IP 4H 3R 3ER 1BB 1K 0HR
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 2, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Matty
Being Matty.
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN
by lonestarJon on Nov 2, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt is going to be one of our best pitchers next year
mark my words
by tyd3311 on Nov 2, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the bullpen maybe
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN
by lonestarJon on Nov 2, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
errrrr
He’ll be better than Big Game Hunter
by tyd3311 on Nov 2, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have that kind of command.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Big Game isn’t as good as he was this year in 2010, but I don’t see Harrison surpassing him.
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN
by lonestarJon on Nov 2, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was referring to Gutierrez
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 2, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well screw me
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 2, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see what you believe in?
he doesn’t miss bats. end of story
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 3, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what do you believe in?
his ability to hit opposing bats because he sure doesn’t miss any bats
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy!
"Feldman and Feliz and and pray for…infectious disease?"--TheJeezus on Sep 9, 2009 1:01 PM PDT
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 3, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Gut's defense
he looked filthy the first two innings. the wheels didn’t come off until the third.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tanner Scheppers is a bad bad man
His curveball is sick.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 2, 2009 3:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Scheppers and Gutierrez's curveballs
are they now the best 2 curveballs in the system. Gutierrez has the most break and Scheppers throws his harder with nice late break.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IIR, NeRa has a good one.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Nov 3, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NeRa sucks
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. He must really like it there.
Tanner Scheppers knows he’ll be in Surprise, Ariz., when the Rangers open Spring Training next February because he just bought his first house there. He can’t be certain he’ll be in Major League camp.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 2, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they mean he actually bought a house in Surprise
or if they mean somewhere out there in Phoenix, cuz if he bought one in Surprise he’s gonna be neighbors with alot of purple haired grandmas
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 2, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
2. Mitch Moreland, a Texas Rangers outfielder, has turned some heads here. Some scouts have put a big grade on him on the 20-80 scale, but there are others who are concerned his bat might be a little too slow, despite his understanding of the strike zone. I’ll have a more comprehensive scouting report on him in the near future.
by GregoryM on Nov 2, 2009 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gutierrez and Scheppers in AFL Rising Stars game.
Moreland is not on the roster.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Grant Desme of Oakland
looks like a freakin’ beast. I don’t like that one bit
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 3, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a bit old
an injury derailed his first season, so he only played in high a last year. he had a really hot first ten games and has cooled off a bit. I don’t think he’s a stud.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he got drafted out of college
and was injured. He hasn’t gotten above high-A, but the guy did hit 30 HRs and steal 40 bases last year while only being caught 5 times. He was 23 last season in his first full season in the minors. If he was in the Rangers’ system, plenty of people would be drooling over that.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 3, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cal league
And they say he’s not that fast. hell, Hank Blalock stole like 30 bags one year.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 3, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
It’s the AFL.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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