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Scheppers makes up a bit for the loss of Purke, whom the Rangers couldn't bring in because of financial issues, and the overall class has pitching depth. It may take a while for any position players other than Mendonca to make an impact.

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Still skeptical on Mendonca

but I like the early returns on guys like Tullis, DiFazio, and Erlin.

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by t ball on Oct 26, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and Doyle.

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by RangerMad on Oct 26, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

O, he rules!

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by Chase Irwin on Oct 26, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Purke out, I think of this draft in three main segments

1. The first four picks, Scheppers, Mendonca, Erlin and Doyle, all of whom should move pretty fast and constitute most of the promise at this point. Scheppers obviously seems to be what this draft will be tied to.

2. The young pitchers, several of whom they spent above slot for: McBride, Tullis, Bell, Strong, Blackwell. Tullis and Bell look to have the best opportunity to make a quick impact, but the other three are projectable HS arms, the kinds of guys I like to see picked in the middle rounds – and signed. I’m also tempted to put Keith Campbell in this group based on his draft capsule:

After having Tommy John surgery and missing his senior year of high school, he rehabbed at a facility in sleepy Monroe, Wash., and got to know Everett head coach Levi Lacey. Campbell has shown he is healthy now by flashing an 89-93 mph fastball, along with a power slider and plus curveball. At 6-foot-2, 195 pounds, Campbell is a good athlete who runs a 6.9-second 60 and can dunk a basketball. He’s also a fierce competitor who wants the ball in big-game situations. Coming from an over-the-top arm slot, Campbell’s fastball shows good life. He repeats his arm slot when he throws his slider, and at 80 mph it looks like a fastball for the first 50 feet before taking a hard, sharp turn. He’s working on his fastball command and developing a better changeup. Campbell has just six college starts under his belt, but he has already shown good velocity with tight breaking pitches and has room to improve.

He struggled in his starts and generally with his control in his debut, but that sounds like an intriguing guy.

3. The athletic outfielders: Sierra, Lane and Cooper – none of them look like they can hit.

You could add a category for hard throwing relief types (Gunter, Jamison, Brown, Castner), and DiFazio had a nice enough debut to have some attention paid to him, but those first two groups in particular look like what will define this draft’s successes, should there be any.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 26, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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the other three are projectable HS arms, the kinds of guys I like to see picked in the middle rounds – and signed.

In this draft category alone, can you name non-signees that have bothered you more at the time they were not signed than the 2007 trio of John Gast, Anthony Ranaudo, and Drew Pomeranz? Any this year?

I seem to recall not so happy things said about not signing any of those three, but I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, so if I may be overstating it by calling it bothersome.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Oct 26, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well both

Pomeranz and Ranaudo were going to collage no mater what. Ranaudo didn’t even want to talk money.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 26, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right that

that was the most hurtful (at the time) cluster missed signings in a while. He’s not a pitcher, but I add Garrett Nash in there. I don’t think that we really knew how resolute Pomeranz and Ranaudo were about going to college, since there were reports that they were close to getting them done. And for that matter, I don’t think that you can take public comments too literally. Guys like Brody Colvin (another LSU signee) were saying the same sort of thing this year right up to the day they signed.

There was some hope about Armstrong last year, and I remember disappointment about Demel in I think ’05.

But other than not getting Purke in, those were the toughest ones, when you looked at them all together.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 26, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is an article from this summer with some of what Armstrong is hoping for himself:
"Sometimes during the college season, when I wasn’t pitching, I’d think what if I went pro, what would be happening there? Then I’d think, things happen for a reason. I think I’m in a good place at Vanderbilt. I love my school, love my coaches. Yuh, I’m not pitching as much as I want to pitch, but I’m just going to work more and in the future things are going to work out here. Three years in a row they’ve had a top-10 pick. They know what they’re doing."

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Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Oct 26, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is he the Mormon

from today’s report, or was that someone else?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Oct 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's Mormon.

Was on a mission last time I heard anything. Left after his freshman year at Oregon State.

by Andy Seiler on Oct 27, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Story said he’ll be back in 2011, but I heard a few weeks ago he may be done.

by Jamey Newberg on Oct 27, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's really early to say that about Sierra Jr.

Especially with the reports that he looked alot better at instructs.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 26, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And even if he does hit

hit might take a a good 5-6 years. A Carlos Gonzalez type.

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 26, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

missed preview. It might take a good….

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 26, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see Sierra at instructs

but watching the video that was available, he has a long way to go.

Also, Gonzalez seems like quite a stretch to me. Sierra is toolsy, but Gonzalez has been a premium prospect since he was 18. Sierra is going to start next season at age 19. When Gonzalez was 19 he was the most dominant player in the MWL and was one of the best prospects in baseball. It’s taken him until this year to become a quality major leaguer, but there is a huge gap in what he and Sierra are at Sierra’s current age.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 26, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you go to instructs?

AIf so are you going to have a report? BTW, are you still at DMN?

The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...

by Kinslerhomer on Oct 26, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t go. Hoping to be at ST though.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 26, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hard throwing relief types (Gunter, Jamison, Brown, Castner)

Sam Brown looked interesting in the Boise vids. Decent K/9, lotsa GO’s, tall guy whose stuff might enjoy the lifting and long toss program.

by shroomer on Oct 26, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cooper

Will he be eligible for the NFL draft too?

by GregoryM on Oct 27, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doyle and Erlin

Are these two somewhat reminiscent of Hunter and Ross, respectively?

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Oct 26, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doyle - meh

Evan Reed and Tim Murphy beat up the NWL, too. Doyle’s no Tommy Hunter.

by shroomer on Oct 26, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Evan Reed and Tim Murphy beat up the NWL, too.

The Jeremy Cleveland Rule.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate that name..

Cleveland and Sinisi taught me a lot about not getting too exited about position guys too soon.

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Oct 27, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danny Gutierrez named co-AFL pitcher of the week

Cool to see…

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JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Oct 26, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

very nice

we gave up little for a very promising arm. The early rewards from Scheppers’ and Gutierrez’s AFL outings get my juices flowin’

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had to remind myself twice who we trade for to get Gutierrez.

We gave up organizational spares to land the kid.

by Too Legit To quit on Oct 26, 2009 6:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't go so far as to call them organizational spares

Tim Smith, in particular, was generating some buzz this year.

But they are fringy prospects, guys who, if they make it, seem like their ceiling is as future role players. Part of the advantage of having the depth that we have in our system is that we can convert a couple of interesting C/C+ guys into an intriguing higher ceiling B- guy.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 26, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're also guys...

that could have caused a little bit more of a roster crunch before 2011 I believe. Decisions were going to have to be made with them.

The Gutierrez deal may have gotten little attention at the time, but it’s exactly the kind of deal that JD needs to make with all the talent in the farm system and all the decisions that will have to be made in the next couple years imo.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 26, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Royals sold low on a decent prospect

whether JD had the foresight about a roster crunch, I’m not sure. I think they probably realized that Pina was a backup at best and Smith is blocked by a bunch of other players ahead of him along with players quick on his heels. I agree JD has to make more deals like this. If we can deal from a strength to fill a weakness, that is a successful trade. I would love to pull off a trade to pick up Nolasco. He is another guy that you can buy low on, and the closer he gets to arbitration the more likelihood that the Marlins are willing to make a deal.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.

by NothinG on Oct 26, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we're all disappointed we didn't sign Purke

but with that in mind, is this draft a failure at this juncture? I can’t imagine it’s a failure in 4 years if Scheppers alone is a top 3 starter in the majors alone. And I think we can hope/expect for that to be the baseline of production (health intact) we get when taking the other picks into account.

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by Walter Sobchak on Oct 26, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We got to good of returns from some of the others to call it a failure so far

Scheppers cements it to be a 10-15 class. If Mendonca and Vin DiFazio pan out like I hope, this class could really jump up the charts by the midpoint of next year. To me those are the 2 most bats most likely to produce quickly. And lets also not forget that Riley Cooper is a pretty good tools prospect in his own right.

If we signed Purke I would call it a top 8 or so draft, but there is enough talent currently to do be an excellent draft is some of these tools guys make the leap from being an athlete to a baseball player

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Oct 26, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you hope Mendonca will pan out to be?

I’m so back and forth on him at the moment. I love the fact that he’s willing to learn and get better, but I also think it won’t matter too much.

"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Magnum; Neutral Milk Hotel

by jdh90 on Oct 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me he almost seems like a discount version of an

Adrian Beltre starter kit…. Stellar D at 3B with power with an .330 to .340 OBP

Good role player that can anchor the back half of a lineup. It might be the fact that his willingness to work and change his approach gives me hope that his OBP will stay high enough to make it to the majors.

JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook

by laxtonto on Oct 26, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about him

is anything like Emerson Frostad? Is he Canadian?

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Oct 27, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've only seen Mendonca play one game of defense

but the only area where I suspect that he has much of a chance of ever matching Beltre is in raw power, and there is still the matter of translating that to actual HRs. But I’m still very much one of his doubters.

by Brett Perryman on Oct 26, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mendonca v. Beltre

It got me thinking…

Mendonca turned 21 in April, 2009, and was drafted a couple of months later, going on to have a nice performance in the NWL.

Beltre turned 21 in April, 2000, at the start of his third season as a major leaguer, a year in which he put up a .290/.360/.475 line and hit 20 homers.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except for the part where Beltre only has a career 17% K rate and Mendonca looks like Chris Davis lite maybe.

"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN

by lonestarJon on Oct 26, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking more along the lines

of that Astros 3B from a few years ago who had a couple monster years and then disappeared.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs


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