Thursday a.m. Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2009 7:54 AM CDT
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Dennis Gilbert came out and made the rounds yesterday at TBIA, much as Chuck Greenberg and Jim Crane did last week.
Evan Grant looks at what the Rangers' payroll has been the past several years, and writes that whatever group ends up owning the Rangers, they need to be prepared to raise payroll to at least the league average, which would be about $80 million.
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Le Sigh...
“Of the possible 120 playoff teams (in the Wild Card era), 69 (or 57.5%) were in the top 10 in payroll. So, 40% of the time, giant payrolls were wasted money.”-EG
Really?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2009 8:12 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
To clarify:
40% of the time, playoff teams come from outside the top 10 in payroll. Assuming you wanted define wasted as the percentage of the top 10 payrolls each year that didn’t make the playoffs, it would be 1-(69/ (15*10)). Years=15, Teams=10. So, 54% ‘wasted’ their money.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Oct 29, 2009 8:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with that argument is
that if 60% of the slots are taken up with 33% of the teams, that shows a huge competitive advantage compared to 40% taken up with 66% of the teams.
It really goes a long way to proving that having a huge payroll is one of the best ways to try and secure a playoff spot.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 29, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the best way to win is to have a $ 100 million payroll
where you identify and keep a core of young players throughout their prime, make the right trades and then sign the right free agents. I think you need all three to be really competitive and any imbalance will throw you off the tracks.
It’s what the late 90’s Yankees did and same with the Red Sox & Phillies of this decade. The Angels have been very successful as well and they did all three of those things as well.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No the best way to win is to have as huge of a payroll as possible
Because then if you make a mistake, you just spend your way out of it. You have the financial flexibility to go add a top player to firm up your lineup and/or rotation. You can keep any good player you develop.
If your wanting to be a consistently good team I think 100 million well spent, is about the floor that you have to hit. More in the 120-140 range is where you need to be to be a consistent big winner. This market won’t ever support that payroll, because if they disappoint one season it would likely take 3 to recover.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 29, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this a serious comment
there are only 4 teams that are over 120M in payroll, and the Mets and Cubs didn’t even sniff the playoffs. Boston at 122 and Yankees at 200 something
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 29, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you will likely see sevreal more teams breach that level in the near future
The Halos I think will bust it this off season. The Phillies will well come close to it.
This is the first year the Mets haven’t been in the playoff hunt since 06. I think the problem with them is that they have a poor GM. The Cubs I think the issue is that their manager has too much say in buying the groceries and Pinella doesn’t believe in OBP. Payrolls retracted a little bit last year, and will probably retract a bit more this year, and then I bet they will go forward again.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 29, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels would seem to be at the crossroads this season.
Arte Moreno is a marketing guy in a big market who likes to win which is a dangerous combo platter.
I’d think they would be big players in free agency this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels are at a crossroads
They have a mature team, with 5 position players over 30, and 4 of their 9 most prolific pitchers 30 and over. (in comparison, our rangers have only 3 position players over 30, and 4 of our 11 most prolific pitchers 30 and over) They have older players like Vlad Guerrero, Bobby Abreu, John Lackey and Chone Figgins who are all free agents and will be VERY expensive to retain. They have a choice though. They could let all their free agents leave, make some stars for prospect like trades, and start over, with an eye on competing again in 2 or 3 years. but I wouldn’t recommend this. Their farm system is not very strong, and they share their division with the Rangers and A’s, who both have exceedingly strong farm systems and very young rosters. Both the Rangers and A’s will be competitive both next year and for the next 5 years after (and with relatively modest payrolls). In order to compete, they are going to have to retain some of their free agents and replace the rest, even though it will force them into a much higher payroll area. This is not sustainable. But if they can get 2 or 3 more years out of this core while building up their farm system, they can then start to shed salary while rebuilding from within and remaining competetive. In their market, they can afford to overspend, just like we can (or will once we get a fully capitalized owner in here). The phillies and red sox have the same issues, with rosters which are aging, but not over the top. The Yankees on the other hand, are once again staring old greybeard in the face, with Hideki Matsui, Johnny Damon, Jorge Posada, Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, and Mariano Rivera all needing to be replaced soon with Alex Rodriguez also getting up there as well. And their young players (like Cano, Cabrera, Joba, Hughes, and Wang) aren’t that young and aren’t that good. But the Yanks can just sustain their $200 mill salary year after year by replacing any vet that either is too ineffective to be resigned or retires with another 30 something free agent. (Though if they can get free agents before they are 30 like Tex and CC, that’s better for them). I’ve been calling for a complete Yankee collapse for some time now, but it might never happen. As long as there are young, very talented free agents who are in it (free agency, not baseball) for the money like Teixeira, the Yankees can continue to spend their way to sustained success w/ having only minimal renewal from the farm system.
If just spending a ton of money bred success, then the Mets would be perennial contenders as well, instead of also rans.
by iblum on Oct 29, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tl;dr
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Oct 29, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paragraphs
are fun.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 29, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insert Monty Python Quote here
“I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second-hand electric donkey bottom biters.”
by iblum on Oct 30, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the halos are getting a TON of money off their books
i don’t see them increasing salary. they may add abreu back, but what other moves do they do? sign holliday which would still put them under this year
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 29, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be
But I think you also have about 6-10 million in raises for players hitting their first arbitration raise. Saunders and Weaver I would imagine are both going to get somewhere around 1-2 million in a raise, assuming no long term is signed. Mathis and Aybar probably add up to a million in raises.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see them try and keep Figgins, figure a 3-5 million per year raise there. Abreu I suspect gets a 3+ million raise.
Kazmir comes very close to equalling Lackey’s salary from last year. The big one I had forgotten about was the fact that Escobar’s contract comes off the books.
You very well might be right that they will hold even, but if they do they will be a lesser team with the same salary demands and not an improved one.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels won't break 120 this winter
They have alot of salary coming off the books. Right now they have 68 million committed to next year. If they resign Abreu and Oliver that will probably bring them to around 80-82 million (Abreu is in line for a pretty decent raise from the 5 mil he made this year). They have a few arbitration guys but not that many. And I don’t see many big name FAs that they might target. If they cut GMJ or trade him and eat most of his contract I guess they could get close to 120 million technically but their actual roster won’t exceed 120 million next year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing but I think the Phillies are
at $ 113 million and that the Angels are in the same ballpark. I think the Dodgers are at $ 95 million and so are the Cardinals.
Just spending money, see the early 2000 Rangers or this year’s Mets & Astros is not the answer.
You have to be strategic and all three channels of talent acquisition need to be operating well to have a consistently good team.
I also believe the most important asset any team can have is to draw from their own well of talent.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we actually do agree on how you build a team
But you fail to see that the first step, the growing your own, takes the longest and so when you are at point like the Rangers are right now the payrolls aren’t going to be very high unless you forsake the development of your own and supplement that with older veteran FAs.
When Daniels got here you are right he did have AGon in the minors. But he also had , as you put it, a future Hall of Famer in front of him at 1B who had (at the time) 3 years before becoming a FA. Trading AGon wasn’t the problem. That was a perfectly rational thing to do. The problem was how AGon was valued and how he was traded. As a piece to a bigger trade. Chris Young sucks ok lets clear that up real quick. AGon should have been a completely separate trade.
You are also right he had Kinsler coming up. Soriano was a year from FA and while hindsight is always 20/20 at the time the Wilkerson trade wasn’t all that bad.
CJ hasn’t been traded last time I checked, Volquez netted us Hamilton, and Danks for McCarthy has turned out bad although again at the time it wasn’t that bad an idea. Trade one young prospect pitcher for another one (one who is higher rated by the way) who has already gone through the growing pains of a young guy in a season we are trying to compete in (at least that was the owners view in 2007).
But now we are on the right path. We have grown our own. This winter I honestly don’t see any FA we can say is a key guy we need to target. The SP you may target all have health issues. I believe we are well on our way to becoming like the 90s Braves or Yankees or the current day Phillies or Angels. This past season was a blast and it only looks to get better from here on out.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Essentially, every year 5 slots go to a top 10 and 3 slots to a lower 20.
5/10 = 50% chance of making it
3/20 = 15% chance of making it
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 29, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dirty little secret about payroll is what it
does to the attendance of a team.
Teams have a marginal chance of making the playoffs with a small market payroll (Minnesota, Oakland) but their attendance is still likely to lag.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 8:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oakland is a terrible, terrible argument.
They could go to the World Series and their attendance would lag. Try again.
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong, dumbass.
The ‘89 Oakland A’s won the World Series and finished second in AL attendance.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was 20 years ago dumbass
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 9:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And what was their attendance rank the last year they won the West?
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland's payroll in 1989
was one of the higher payrolls in MLB at the time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want to try to answer my question this time?
Or just continue to ignore?
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
is what I said above -
“Teams have a marginal chance of making the playoffs with a small market payroll (Minnesota, Oakland) but their attendance is still likely to lag.”
Let’s (slowly) take the next step….the A’s won the AL West and made the playoffs in 2006 but their attendance still lagged (26th in MLB).
Was that too much for your little brain to absorb at once?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is most definitely NOT what you said above.
You really have a huge problem reading, don’t you.
Still, thanks for the attendance info.
And to say that a “lagging” attendance landed them 26 out of 30 is a nice way of putting things. That’s an attendance disaster for a playoff team.
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's absolutely a disaster.
Fans have difficulty getting behind teams with small payrolls no matter how much they win.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans don't care about payroll when the team wins
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 29, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which team with a low payroll that wins
has very good attendance?
Tampa Bay went to the World Series in 2008 and were 26th in attendance.
They rode last year’s momentum to 23rd in attendance this year.
Fans do care about payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans care about winning
A team like Tampa Bay that has never won before and is located in an area where baseball is far down on the to-do list is going to have to win for a while before building up a strong fan base. With the team being relatively new, they also lack the long time fans that other teams get through the decades. And you also failed to see/mention how the Rays raised attendance by 500K from 07 to 08. That’s a pretty significant improvement.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampa doesn't care about the Rays
Clearly this area cares about winning. Winning correlates to a huge spike in TV and attendance this season.
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many teams with "low" attendance have won playoff berths.
Playoff teams outside the top 10 in attendance:
1998: Chicago Cubs, Padres, Astros, Red Sox
1999: Houston, NY Mets, Texas, Red Sox
2000: White Sox, Mets, Oakland
2001: Oakland, Arizona, Atlanta
2002: Oakland, Atlanta, Anaheim, Minnesota
2003: Atlanta, Oakland, Florida, Minnesota
2004: Boston, Atlanta, Minnesota
2005: White Sox, Atlanta
2006: Minnesota, Detroit, Oakland, San Diego
2007: Boston, Cleveland, Arizona, Colorado
2008: Tampa Bay, White Sox
2009: Colorado, Minnesota
Oakland we know about. Boston had a constraint in that they were sold out all the time, but their stadium doesn’t hold that many.
The rest have no excuse. The fact that Atlanta shows up 5 straight years simply says that good play can become addictive.
What, the Braves won again? Ho hum……
by iblum on Oct 29, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a past resident, I can say without pause
“You are wrong.” Attendance sucks there due to shitty ownership, shitty stadium & shitty location. Ownership and the stadium are obvious. Location has to do with the team being located in Oakland. Generally speaking the per capita income is low, the demographic gravitates towards football, and across the bay, there is a much hipper, intriguing product with a brand new Stadium(that is well thought out and perfectly located).
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by Parman on Oct 29, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Oakland-Alameda
Stadium was also shitty from 1989-92 and located in the same place but those A’s teams were near the top in AL attendance.
Can you tell me of a small market payroll team that consistently has a top 10-15 attendance mark?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me why
you think the average fan has any idea what the team’s payroll or the salaries of any individual player is.
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by t ball on Oct 29, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing that fans of small market teams don't like seeing their own young stars
leaving for big market teams. Oakland & Minnesota have had times where they were very competitive but the fans were largely non-plussed by how their teams did in the standings.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
There were people on this very board that didn’t realize that $68 million was below average. The normal fan has no clue.
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong again.
The stadium remodel was done so the football team would return from LA. The remodel worsened the baseball experience. The attendance has been pretty awful since the change. The team needs a new stadium or ownership. I don’t think it will happen though because of the politics.
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by Parman on Oct 29, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
While in business school at Berkley, my sister, along with a few others, did a study on the Oakland stadium and how to increase attendance. Their conclusion: build a new stadium because the current configuration is unworkable and unattractive to baseball fans.
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did your sister say why their attendance
was so good compared to the rest of the AL from ’89-92?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The remodel
Parman speaks of above was in ‘96, you goat-kissing mouth breather. From the wikipedia entry:
Then, in 1995, a deal was struck whereby the Raiders would move back to Oakland for the 1995 season. The agreement called for the expansion of the Coliseum to 63,026 seats. The bucolic view of the Oakland foothills that baseball spectators enjoyed was replaced with a jarring view of an outfield grandstand contemptuously referred to as “Mount Davis” after Raiders’ owner Al Davis. Because construction was not finished by the start of the 1996 season, the Athletics were forced to play their first six-game homestand at 9,300-seat Cashman Field in Las Vegas.
Although “official” capacity was stated to be 43,662 for baseball, seats were sometimes sold in Mount Davis as well, pushing “real” capacity to the area of 60,000. The ready availability of tickets on game day made season tickets a tough sell, while crowds as high as 30,000 often seemed sparse in such a venue. On December 21, 2005, the Athletics announced that seats in the Coliseum’s third deck would not be sold for the 2006 season, but would instead be covered with a tarp, and that tickets would no longer be sold in Mount Davis under any circumstances. That effectively reduced capacity to 34,077, making the Coliseum the smallest stadium in Major League Baseball.
You really should stop simply looking for things that confirm your preconceived notions.
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by t ball on Oct 29, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might earn some respect if you admitted you are wrong.
Just an idea…
by cstorm15 on Oct 29, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees are an outlier and should probably be left off when coming up with the average payroll
by tyd3311 on Oct 29, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess by 80 million, he meant median payroll
the average w/o the yanks is $84,435,838.28
by tyd3311 on Oct 29, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm feeding Josey here
but it’s a legitimate question….and one that I’m ashamed to ask bc I should know.
We’re under the freaking league average in payroll?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course
We have been since 2004.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew we had a low payroll given our market, but not below league average.
That kinda makes me sick.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were something like $ 11 million in payroll below the Oakland A's
in 2007.
We’ve consistently been in the Minnesota, Cincy, Milwaukee, KC range for payroll over the last 4-5 years yet Jamey will tell you he’s happy with the way this organization has been spending their money. Made a big deal of it in here and over at his place after the Jim Reeves column discussing how the Rangers were going to slash their payroll another $ 20 million.
And we’re in the number 5 media market in a sports crazy place that would routinely pour 34,000-38,000+ in TBiA from ’96-2001.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from the random shot at Jamey...
…something rational. Wow. I hate you a tiny bit less today, Jay.
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet you continue to complain about spending money on Broussard, etc
People need to realize that a team consisting of mostly young pre-arb players is going to have a low payroll. That will rise simply due to guys hitting arbitration.
Now before 2008 there is an argument that we didn’t spend enough but it’s not like we haven’t tried. We were in on guys like Dice-K and Zito but didn’t get them. Hicks had a 100+ million dollar payroll at the beginning of the decade and it got him nowhere.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Josey what do you think of the pre-JD GMs?
The ones who were afforded a more luxurious payroll?
Just curious.
Keep it to them, everyone (including Jesus) knows your stance on JD.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Melvin did a very good job of assessing what the major league team needed
to be successful and was pretty good at it. He was a GM that could make a trade that actually helped the major league team win. This team not having a good minor league system in the late 90’s was a black mark but he built Milwaukee from scratch so he definitely has the ability to do so.
Upon further review, John Hart was so-so but not nearly as bad as portrayed and the victim of several circumstances. Because of the owner’s behavior, he gets an incomplete but he left a cupboard full of quality major league talent in the minor league system when he left. See AG, Kinsler, Danks, CJ, Young, Volquez.
If you’re asking, yes, I’d rather have Melvin or Hart than Little Boy Donuts.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...you don't like JD?
Got it.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You asked, smartass.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I asked how you felt about the pre-JD GMs...
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Josey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK4fJhbRL1g
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
by boomer1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melvin did not build Milwaukee from scratch
Most of that young talent was already in their system when he took over.
And I love how you say JD hasn’t made any moves to help the major league team win. Iguess Elvis, Feliz, Murphy, Hamilton, Cruz, Salty, and Oday had nothingto do with us winning last year huh?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 9:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
JD took over
a young team 13 months removed from winning 89 games with a minor league system stocked with high quality major league talent to be and received a very nice bump in payroll.
For some reason, namely the dumbass trades, we had to undergo another rebuild and have yet to match the 89 wins.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
13 months removed?
Well he’ll why don’t we just say he was 7 years removed from a playoff team. The fact is the team JD inherited was coming off a 79 win season not 89.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 10:57 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
bigsteve
Who was gone from the 2004 season when JD took over the team?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big one honestly
was Ryan Drese turning back into a pumpkin. Drese was one of the major reasons that team won 89 games, and had shown major signs of regression during that season. 2005 was the start of the great Hank Blalock disaster, where a promising young player turned into a below average major league player. Gary Matthews had a lesser year. Even RA had an acceptable season.
Basically several people had career years in 2004, which made the team look better than it was in all honesty.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 29, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you'll recall
the 2005 team started out something like 30-20 so there was more than 200 games of very good play by this bunch.
With the right add-ons in the off-season and without the Rogers/ownership dust up that team could have been much better.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the right addtion was what?
Ted Lilly of the below average in the AL, and who wasn’t available until after 2006 anyway?
THe problem is that we had 3 starting pitchers that were garbage. Most of the lineup was garbage.
The 2004 season was a mirage.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 29, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The right addition after 2004?
I don’t have that year’s free agency list in front of me but Carlos Beltran would have fit very well on that team.
I do know that Pedro Astacio & Richard Hidalgo were not the right moves and said so at the time.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Beltran?
You seriously think we would have had a shot at Carlos Beltran? Give me a break. Sure he would have looked good here. He would have looked good anywhere. That doesn’t mean that all 30 teams had a realistic shot at signing him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They weren't "in" on those guys.
It was strictly PR meant to appease the fans to make them look like they were trying.
When Tom Hicks really wanted a free agent, he usually got his man.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you know this how?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 9:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
"When Tom Hicks really wanted a free agent, he usually got his man."
By wildly and inappropriately overbidding. Thank God JD has been there to reel his offers in. Can you imagine if we had ended up with Zito, for Chrissakes?!
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I’ll complain about spending money on Broussard & JJennings. I don’t want JD wasting money on crap when payroll was such a precious commodity.
The reason JD was castrated is because of how spent his payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then tell us oh wise one who would you have spent money on instead
It’s the offseason before the 2008 season and you need a stop gap 1B and a back of the rotation starter for 9 million dollars. Who ya gonna get?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 9:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What happened before the 2008 season were the
consequences of JD’s incompetence before the 2006-2007 seasons. He was in that terrible position because he was deep into what is kindly referred to by many in here as his “learning curve.”
He was looking for a stop-gap 1B and more pitching before 2008 because the dumbass traded a borderline superstar (AG) and #2-3 starter for a bag of shit before 2006.
Another reason he was looking for more pitching in 2008 is because he didn’t sign Ted Lilly before 2007. If he signs Lilly, he doesn’t feel compelled to trade for somebody he’s deemed more major league ready than John Danks.
If you don’t trade AG & Young and then sign Lilly and don’t trade Danks, This Thing would have been in much better shape in 2008 and for that matter, 2010.
Thank gawd Nolan got here when he did.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss the Ted Lilly argument.
That was a gem.
Keep it up, this thread is turning into a Josey’s Greatest Hits collection.
by cstorm15 on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Philly
looks like The Shit.
They’ve been dominant all the way thru and when required to find a way to win late (v the Rox and Dodgers), they’ve done it. Knocking out CC like that at Yankee Stadium was a definite statement. They’re not the early 70s A’s or the Big Red Machine but they’re pretty salty.
A core of young excellent players in their prime with some nice add ons. Excellent, excellent work by their GM Amaro. The Philadelphia Phillies and not the freaking Colorado Rockies are the organization the Texas Rangers should be modeling themselves after.
Hard to believe but the Yanks look like a team with a bunch of players who were just happy to make it to the World Series. There are only a few holdovers from their ‘96-2003 reign of terror and Damon made it with the Sawx but most of the team hasn’t been to the World Series.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think we aren't modeling ourselves after Philly
You know how they were built? With a group of good young homegrown players and then once they were grown and competitve the front office started making trades and nice FA signings. I could see us being in the same spot as them here in a couple years
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 9:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to say who we are modeling ourselves after
at this point is just silly. We have no idea until we get a new owner. For all we know he will be as tightfisted as the Marlins. Or he may open up the payroll 50 million.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 29, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've heard all kinds of
bullshit from Little Boy Donuts who we are modeling ourselves after in the past.
With a new owner, we need to model ourselves after the Philadelphia Phillies.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're funny.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
by ghtd36 on Oct 29, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
When has JD told us who is modeling the team after?
Oh, and links would be helpful.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the Fuck?
Josey’s last post was at 3:36 – four hours and fifty minutes after my question yet he never answers? I’m dumbfounded.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have time...
for us losers in Wyoming or Utah. Didn’t you know that Wyo?
That and the fact that he avoids anyone when they prove him wrong.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But to be fair, I wasn’t looking to prove him wrong just make him prove himself right. You’d think he’d jump at that chance. Unless …. oh god… maybe he couldn’t prove his point!
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 30, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never saw your question, Cowboy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 30, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Crane, if he was looking to buy the Cubs, I assume he was looking to win
To spend to win. I want him.
by tyd3311 on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The model might change with a new owner, but I also think that the Rangers haven't truly modeled themselves
after one organization. Teams like the Phillies and Rays built their playoff teams using a lot of homegrown talent like Texas is doing, but I don’t think they are that similar past that fact.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 29, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tapping the brakes.
George Dunham this morning on The Ticket suggested that Cliff Lee’s performance last night was the greatest by a pitcher in World Series history.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
by ghtd36 on Oct 29, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WAIT
They talk sports on the Dunham and Miller show? Huh. I thought it was all current events and making themselves laugh.
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and Raul Ibanez is one of the greatest free agent signings in history too
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN
by lonestarJon on Oct 29, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest performance in World series history:
For my money, its Howard Ehmke, opening game, 1929 World Series versus the Chicago Cubs. link to it here The story goes as follows. the 35 year old Ehmke went to Connie Mack and said the following. It looks like we’re going to win the AL Pennant, and it also looks like the Cubs are going to win the NL pennant. How about you and me cook us up a suprise for them when we get to the world series? Mack agreed and Ehmke set off and attended every Cubs game through the end of the year, and scouted all the hitters, learning their strengths and weaknesses. Then, when the World Series opened, the media was all a-twitter as Connie Mack tapped the veteran Howard Ehmke to start game one over Ace Lefty Grove (20 game winner) and George Earnshaw (24 game winner). Ehmke, powered by his personal scouting, dazzled the Cubs and pitched a game much like Lee’s, going the distance and allowing 8 hits and one unearned run (scored in the 9th), he walked one, and struck out a then record 13 cubs. Ehmke would pitch only 4 more times in the majors after that memorable game (including his game 5 start)
by iblum on Oct 30, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Miller on JD and the Mets
Might JD’s tenure time out around when the Wilpons tire of Minaya?
<a href=“http:// ”http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/2009/10/28/an-indirect-rangers-world-series-scenario-to-ponder" target="_blank">http://insidecorner.dmagazine.com/2009/10/28/an-indirect-rangers-world-series-scenario-to-ponder" >Pretty interesting read.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Oct 29, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was good to see Josey Wells expanding his reading and commenting on how JD would deal with the NY media!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
by thad728 on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD would get killed by the NY media.
He already has rabbit ears when it comes to RG (from the little ol’ FWST). They don’t have patience for “learning curves” in NYC.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOT EVERY BAD THING IN THE WORLD IS THE RESULT OF JON DANIELS.
NOT EVERY GOOD THING IN THE WORLD IS THE RESULT OF NOLAN RYAN.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
by ghtd36 on Oct 29, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My world-view has just been shaken to the core...
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
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by WhipSmart on Oct 29, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yo Adam
What happened to Josey having his own thread to talk to himself in?
"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron
by coolaid on Oct 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen, brother.
It’s so disappointing to sign on to ole LSB and see a morning thread frothing with 80+ comments and thinking that “ooh, this should be fun”, only to discover it’s 80% Joseyness.
What a beating.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Oct 29, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second this
a tremendous beating.
there’s a stack of dead horses that Josey just can’t let go of
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 29, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring something to the table to discuss
instead of bitching about what others are talking about.
AJM linked EG’s story on payroll. The merits of payroll are being discussed and it appears that teams with low payrolls not only have difficulty making the playoffs but they also have difficulty putting butts in seats (even if they win).
Now say something either entertaining or witty where others will want to join in or just STFU until you find an opening to contribute.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a sad, sad day...
…when Josey Wales, troll extraordinaire, is giving lessons on how to post on LSB.
And by sad, I mean hilariously ironic.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
by ghtd36 on Oct 29, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not bringing anything new to discuss.
We’ve heard all of this before and proven you wrong, yet you continue to keep arguing the same points over and over again. And when someone challenges you, you ignore them and pretend like you’ve never been challenged.
You’re not here to have a discussion. You’re here to throw a tantrum.
by cstorm15 on Oct 29, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
once I start seeing all the josey baiting and arguing I skip right past a HUGE chunk of posts and find maybe 15-20 posts that are actually anything other than arguing.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Oct 29, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strasburg AFL videos
Include at-bats vs. Moreland and Lemon.
http://www.projectprospect.com/article/2009/10/28/video-from-strasburgs-1027-start
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
by TheBZA on Oct 29, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless you spend money well
There is no point in raising payroll for the sake in raising payroll. Take last offseason:
If your added dollars are in a premier starting pitcher (someone like Sabathia), then obviously they have an impact. If your added dollars are in a premier position player (someone like Teixeira), then obviously they have an impact.
But those are $15-20 million/year players. When you’re talking about adding a few $5-10 million/year players, you’re talking about adding old guys who were good are in their decline (Abreu), guys with big question marks in their game (Dunn, Bradley), or guys with injury concerns (Bradley, Sheets, Wood).
Now, if those medium investments work out, like Abreu did, you look like a genius, but there is a big risk associated with them. The odds any one of those guys is going to push you over the top is low, and when you start accumulating multiple high-risk players, like the Rangers did early this decade, you tend to see their value cancel out (start adding random numbers from 0-1, pretty soon they’ll average out to 0.5), with the further expense of playing time for young players and prospects used to acquire some of these older, riskier players.
Whining that payroll is low is a lazy intellectual baseball argument. Obviously you’d like to have more flexibility. But figuring out how to spend it correctly is the real challenge. This past year, not spending was very likely the right move, regardless of how deep/shallow Hicks’ pockets were.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 29, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It also depends on who is available, where your team is in development
and what your team needs.
That’s why I threw such a huge shit fit when this team spent $ 14 million on Lofton & Gagne. That was a complete waste of money for a team on a small market payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get a Josey thread
for the Lofton/Gagne arguments?
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Oct 29, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
A payroll next year of ~$65M is fine when viewed within the context of ownership and the construction of the team. But going into 2011 it will probably need to be ~$80M or more.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Oct 29, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I think payrolls naturally will rise
if you have a team of mostly young pre-arb players, when they start hitting arbitration things will start going up.
At that point, we don’t want JD to have to trade or non-tender Salty simply because he can’t afford his $3 million / year arbitration salary.
But this team is very, very young. When 50% of your roster are guys less than 2 years out of the minors, you’re going to have a cheap payroll. Pointing to that in horror is just silly and bait for the sky is falling crowd; it isn’t as if the team is 50% replacement players. It just means that if they are good, they are going to be a lot more expensive in not too long.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Ranger team is now in a prime position
to take on payroll for the right player(s) via free agency or trade.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
I doubt they sign a FA this winter due to the ownership situation. But next July they had better be willing to trade some magic beans for someone elses FA to be.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Oct 29, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the problem is trying to identify who the next
Cleveland is on the horizon.
The Cliff Lee & Victor Martinez pick-ups helped decide what happened this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the reason we don't sign a FA this winter is because its a weak FA class
All the SP have serious question marks to them
And we are pretty set at positions long term so if you are going to continue on the build from within approach signing a guy to a long term deal to block a prospect doesn’t make sense. Thats how teams start being forced to spend in FA. You have a prospect half a year to a year away from being ML ready and you go sign someone to a 3 year deal. Then you trade that prospect most likely for another prospect or a veteran player. Soon enough your roster is averaging close to 30 years old and your farm system is either very thin or extremely bottom heavy (meaning guys in A ball or lower which means no immediate help).
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, wait a second...
What’s the big “question mark” in Adam Dunn’s game?
by JDT217 on Oct 29, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn
Worth -95.3 UZR runs in his career as an outfielder.
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN
by lonestarJon on Oct 29, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn is best suited as a DH
he is a great power hitter who gets on base. He’s alot like McGwire in that aspect. 260 hitter – 390 OBP and a 900+ OPS.
He is terrible in the field. He reminds me of a boulder that won’t budge
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 30, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly
Dunn doesn’t want to DH. He also doesn’t want to work hard defensively.
In fact of the 18 games the Nationals played against the AL, Dunn was DH in only 6 of them.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 30, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go for it Josey
Josey, give them hell, most of the idiots in here wouldnt know what to do, if the Rangers had a real GM. Little Johnny is, always has been over his head, his trades of Soriano, Gonzalez, Danks, has set this franchise back at leat 3 years, anyone who tries to defend is a idiot. Lets hope the 1st move the new owner does, is tell Johnny boy to hit the road.
by Big Tex on Oct 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for your weekly visit.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My cat's breath smells like catfood.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you get paid by the comma?
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
You get a rec for that.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 29, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread blows.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’m starting to get tired of LSB because of all the trolling that is let happen here.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 29, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree but at the same time,
there are blogs that are too controlling and you cannot express the way you feel without feeling like you are offending someone and gonna get banned for it.
Just put these people on your grease monkey script and filter them out..
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Oct 29, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
AJM doesn’t ban people for saying offensive stuff. HH has dropped n bombs in the past and he’s not banned. Sharky’s been on the whole minorities can’t manage in baseball thing for a while and he’s not banned. The people he has banned (steal home, Texas_Dawg, Habib) were banned for being consistently annoying as shit. I’m really curious to know how any one of those guys are any different to Josey?
by LiamP on Oct 29, 2009 11:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Is bitching about me the best thing you have to offer for discussion, Liam?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't like the conversation being presented, bring something else to the table, Liam.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josey telling someone else to vary up their comments.
Oh, the ironing.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Oct 29, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you ever called upon to do any actual work at your job?
You just go on and on and on saying the same crap over and over day after day.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Oct 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scarlet Letter
You’re like the reverend what’s-his-name in the Scarlet Letter, preaching about the sins of others while pretending your own don’t exist. Please burn a scarlet O on your chest for obstinacy.
Hey, come to think of it, at the end of the book the reverend publicly proclaims his sin and falls over dead. I like that ending.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 29, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yankees strategy
I think their pitching staff is incredible. They sign every seemingly “can’t-miss” SP off FA. They then plug all their young studs into the bullpen (where they are very likely to succeed).
Imagine the Rangers with 5 $15M+ quality starters and a bullpen of Holland, Feliz, Perez, Kiker, Franky, CJ in 2 years…
Here’s to signing Sheets, Webb, Harden, and Halladay at some point in the next 2 seasons
by BuckyB on Oct 29, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheets, Webb and Harden all might very well be done.
Halladay, though. I like him.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Oct 29, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you got
Jerry Hairston Jr and fast Freddy Guzman on your bench.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Oct 29, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, when I saw Fast Freddy come out to pinch run in the ALCS I almost fell of my couch laughing.
I had less than zero idea that he was on their playoff roster.
I didn’t even think the dude was still in baseball.
I bet watching that FF in the World Series is making our current FF a little extra douchey right about now.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
Beware 2011: The Fortypocalypse is Nigh...
by thedirkatron on Oct 29, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
Keit Law Chat at 12:00
Send in your Ranger related questions…
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Oct 29, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...umm that didn't work...
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Oct 29, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New ownership does not equal higher payroll per San Diego
Padres have new ownership that has cut the payroll to 40 million a year for the forseeable future because they are paying off what they owe on the team. This says, MLB owners et al don’t care if a team has the payroll to competite or not.
by SanDiegoKev on Oct 29, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This thread sucks Donkey Dick.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Oct 29, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
KLAW RANGERS RELATED CHAT STUFF
R.Gil (Verona,NJ)
It sems like alot of talent has left the AFL and it also seems like the talent level is not as high as previous years. What level of the minors compares the AFL ?
Klaw
(1:12 PM)
And the reason the stats there aren’t meaningful is that the level of competition is really broad. You have top-flight guys (Strasburg, Scheppers, Cashner) and you have non-prospects. Even within one game, a hitter might see four pitchers all across the talent spectrum.
Patrick (Somerville, MA)
So, the Rangers are now interviewing candidates for their hitting instructor vacancy. I am wondering if you comment on some conceptions I have about hitting instructors? 1) There is not a radical difference between what one hitting instructor stresses and another. 2) Communication is the greatest determining factor towards the success of a hitting instructor. Lastly, since the hitting instructor’s job takes place mostly out of the public eye, how does one determine if Candidate A would be a good hitting instructor?
Klaw
(1:23 PM)
Point 1 is not true. There are differences. Point 2 is not necessarily true, as there are coaches who are primarily mechanical, and some who are more psychological in approach. Point 3 is absolutely true. I think it’s very hard for fans to judge hitting coaches. It’s extremely hard for me to judge those guys without getting insight from someone in a relevant front office.
Bizzaro Klaw (over there)
Klaw like Crow or Scheppers? Bizzaro Klaw need answer or Bizzaro Klaw go read T.V. Guide and watch soaps.
Klaw
(1:37 PM)
Um, Scheppers.
Eric (Ft. Worth)
Everything I’ve read from the AFL has raved about Tanner Scheppers so far. Do you see anything with his delivery that concerns you, and are there any other pitchers you’d slot him behind in that system other than Feliz and Perez?
Klaw
(1:38 PM)
Arm works fine. Just concerned about the known injury to his shoulder, but if he’s throwing great and not reporting pain or soreness, then there isn’t much point in worrying about him since he’s already under control.
James (ATL)
Who would you pick, and why? Martin Perez, Casey Kelly or Teheran?
Klaw
(1:47 PM)
Right now? Perez.
Zak (Jersey)
Davis/Smoak/Alonso. What order would you rate them?
Klaw
(1:49 PM)
Ike Davis? Then Smoak, Alonso, Davis.
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Oct 29, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Bizzaro Klaw need answer or Bizzaro Klaw go read T.V. Guide and watch soaps."
This made me laugh a lot more than it should have.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Dykstra has all the money!
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by WhipSmart on Oct 29, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No "Josey" impersonations from Rodney
today?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's working on it
I hear he’s visiting a mule farm today to get some ideas.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 29, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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