Jon Daniels and the Mets
Jeff Miller wonders whether Jon Daniels could end up taking over as g.m. for the Mets after the 2010 season.
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Adam J. Morris
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Why would he leave just as his team is getting good?
Especially to go to that mess up there? I didn’t know Jeff Miller was getting into fiction writing. As far as his first futuristic story goes, I give it two thumbs down.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 29, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Money and prestige?
I would imagine that the Mets pay more than the Rangers and that if you win with the Mets you will get talked about a lot more.
Don’t think it happens, but its not fully unreasonable.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Oct 29, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
You’ve got a team in the country’s biggest market — which is also where he’s from — and that has much, much more in the way of resources that it give to the g.m.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've seen JD with a win-now plan
it results in Adam Eaton and Brandon McCarthy. This is just wild, sports radio-type speculation. For one, I don’t think JD is a hot enough commodity to worry about someone stealing him away. The only way he leaves is if the Rangers tank and he’s fired. And then he’s even less a hot commodity.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 29, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that was his first year as the GM
If you really think JD would make those same deals now you are blind to how much hes changed and how much better the Rangers have gotten in his tenure
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Oct 29, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beginning with the off-season before 2007 (his 3rd as GM of the team so the learning curve should have been over)
he spent nearly 1/3 of his allotted small market payroll during those three years – $ 70 million – on VPadilla, Frankie Cat, Lofton, Gagne, JJennings and Broussard.
Remember, the Rangers spent somewhere close to $ 200 million in payroll from 2007-2009.
How did that work out? Lots of mediocre performances but we still have a 4th OF in Murphy and a couple of fading minor league prospects the best I can tell.
Then you add in all the ill-fated trades/long-term consequences, one year of winning baseball, the way the fans turned their back on the team en masse along with the hiring of Ron Washington and I think you’re going to have a difficult time convincing anybody that this is one of the good young GMs in MLB muchless ready for the spotlight and pressure of NYC.
I know it’s a slow news day for Ranger fans but trust me, we have much more pressing issues to worry about than losing JD to the NY Mets.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy am I glad he got Gagne and Lofton.
How great did that work out for us?!!!! Nice work, JD.
by FuturePants on Oct 29, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beginning with the off-season before 2007 (his 3rd as GM of the team so the learning curve should have been over)
Simply in the interest of accuracy, in light of the fact that Daniels became the Rangers GM in Oct of 2005, wouldn’t it be more accurate to report that in the off-season BEFORE 2007, that Daniels had just completed his FIRST year as the GM? If you agree, that would seem to render the reference to it being his 3rd as GM, as an inaccurate statement.
by twinkilling on Oct 29, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with most of this post
I don’t think JD’s resume would bowl over a large market team at this point.
I feel like he is doing a good job here, but the positive bullet points on his resume right now, probably aren’t the things that a team like the Mets would be looking for.
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"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
by tricer on Oct 29, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That just makes his case for staying here all the stronger
He’s built it up, why wouldn’t he want to see it through? I’m sure he could get more money out of the Mets, but he’d pretty much have to start all over, with an impatient owner again. It would be a go-buy-us-a-team situation, which isn’t his M.O. It’s been a slow build, but it’s starting to bear fruit.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 29, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJM
Do you really believe that JD is viewed as an up n’ comer hot rising star by the inner circle of major league front offices?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he's viewed as a good young g.m.
I don’t know that you can call anyone who has pretty much reached the top job in his profession “an up n’ comer hot rising star.”
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What has JD specifically done that
would qualify him as a “good young GM” in the eyes of other major league FO’s?
I would have viewed Billy Beane circa ‘99, Theo ’03 and I can’t remember the Dallas kid (Freedman/Silverberg) who runs Tampa as “up n comer rising stars.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what has JD specifically done to be
viewed as a “good young GM” in the eyes of other major league FO’s?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing
I was lying. He’s viewed as a clown, and when Nolan comes to his senses and fires him, he’ll be back making donuts the rest of his life.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why don't you answer the question seriously?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He made a decent haul when he traded Tex
but he had to give up a Hall of Fame player in his prime with 1.5 years left on his contract and find a GM who didn’t care about the long-term future to do so.
The Rangers became the number one minor league system (something that’s voted on) on his watch but he also took over a team with AG, Kinsler, Danks, CJ and Eddy V in the cupboard and knocking on the major league door.
I was honestly wondering what other teams would have seen him accomplish in Texas that would make him such a hot commodity.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you ask Jeff Miller?
He’s the one who wrote that piece.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I promise to do nothing but say thank you for your answer
will you write exactly why you think other major league front offices view JD as “a good young GM”?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should he respond to you?
you already know the answer to your stupid troll-baiting question.
You simply refuse to accept that answer. It’s been given to you numerous times here by many different posters.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 29, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find the irony of you trying to pin Adam down..
the perfect medicine for a sick day.
if I had a dollar for every time someone vainly asked over and over for you to answer a question….
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by bking on Oct 29, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I simply asked him a question and told him I wouldn't
comment on his answer other than to say thank you.
I seriously wonder exactly why other teams would view Daniels “as a good young GM.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
x
The Rangers became the number one minor league system (something that’s voted on) on his watch but he also took over a team with AG, Kinsler, Danks, CJ and Eddy V in the cupboard and knocking on the major league door.
I don’t see the relationship between those two.
by brettgardner on Oct 29, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Other GM point
is really moot if you think about it. So he found a GM that didn’t particularly care about the future of that franchise. Good deal, are you expecting him to go to war with Brian Cashman, Theo Epstein (done that) or Ned Colletti just to say he’s done it? Regardless of who the counterpart is, the goal is to come out better as an organization than the other guy.
To lump the good moves together and “blame” them on a crappy counter-GM yet point out the bad moves name by name (that are over 3 years old now) is pretty pointed and subjective. How’s Edinson Volquez doing lately anyway? About as good as Hamilton? Not sure that holding JD over the coals for that is all too valid.
"if daniels was fired today, he would almost be sure to get another shot somewhere else as a GM
i dont know if you can say the same thing abotu RW" - knockoutking
by hillcrest on Oct 29, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's the point?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because there's not much point
I could list some things, and you’ll talk about Danks and Soriano and Gonzalez and Young and a pile of garbage on someone’s front lawn and dogshit on someone’s cleats and money spent on Ben Broussard and Nolan Ryan implementing massive change, and I’m not interested in going through all that again.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you
If only some others around here had your same restraint.
Favorite bumper sticker of all time, seen on a VW bus:
"Gas, Grass, or Ass. Nobody rides for free"
by tricer on Oct 29, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJM likes arguing with Josey
that’s got to be the only reason he hasn’t been banned.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Oct 30, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would anybody get banned
for asking why ajm believes the rest of MLB views JD as “a good young GM”?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 30, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No banning
But this is an illustrative example of what happens when you’re a dickbag 99% of the time. Time to gather the spade and bucket and head home.
by brettgardner on Oct 31, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should anyone take your questions seriously?
You don’t answer questions from other people. Therefore, you do not deserve to have your questions answered.
by cstorm15 on Oct 29, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And some people
really enjoy big challenges and the building process.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 29, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But the building isn’t finished here.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 29, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And won't be...
…until we have ownership in place that is willing to spend the money necessary to field a long-term winner.
by JDT217 on Oct 29, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who says the team will perform to the level that will motivate the owners to extend JDs contract?
But even if the team does really well, maybe the Mets can pay him double, and, besides, JD is from that area.
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Oct 29, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i believe he's a Mets fan
if you had a chance to GM the team u grew up watching…hard to pass on that.
i
usa
by Longhorn on Oct 29, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is a difference between
not liking a story and not liking what it has to say. Sometimes baseball teams with legitimate owners in giant markets come in and swipe talent from also rans partially owned my MLB.
Brace yourself.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Oct 29, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he leaves until this team goes into a down ward spirial!
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by NYTXFAN on Oct 29, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only way it happens
is if Nolan gets tired of carrying his sorry butt and gives him one swift cattle kick to the rear that sends him flying all the way to NY…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
Hello Win Column!!!
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Oct 29, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JD's contract
Through 2010 or 2011? Cots isn’t clear.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Oct 29, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Through 2011
He signed a 2 year extension in 02/08 he already had a 1 year extension to cover 2009.
You just don't sit in a rocking chair, when you've built a revolution.
by Escher on Oct 29, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't be the first time the mets raided this franchise of Talent
Gil Hodges – 1968
by SanDiegoKev on Oct 29, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Minaya worked for the Rangers
way back when. Scouted Sosa and others.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Oct 29, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We also sent them TAG
and Ken Henderson for Jon Matlack in the same trade that brought us Al Oliver.
We picked up Willie Montanez for Ed Lynch and Mike Jorgensen.
And we also sent them Ron Darling & Walt Terrell for Lee Mazzilli (ouch).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Oct 29, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't figure out how Oliver factored in so I went to look it up and ... WOW what a crazy deal
December 8, 1977: Traded as part of a 4-team trade by the Pittsburgh Pirates with Nelson Norman to the Texas Rangers. The Atlanta Braves sent Willie Montanez to the New York Mets. The Texas Rangers sent Tommy Boggs, Adrian Devine and Eddie Miller to the Atlanta Braves. The Texas Rangers sent a player to be named later and Tom Grieve to the New York Mets. The Texas Rangers sent Bert Blyleven to the Pittsburgh Pirates. The New York Mets sent Jon Matlack to the Texas Rangers. The New York Mets sent John Milner to the Pittsburgh Pirates. The Texas Rangers sent Ken Henderson (March 15, 1978) to the New York Mets to complete the trade.
by robert_d_wilfong on Oct 29, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See
This is why we keep the EGS around … 911 GM.
by shroomer on Oct 29, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Talk about making something out of nothing.
"Clearly, the season is over. Fire Daniels, fire Washington, fire Maddux, burn down TBIA." - AJM
by aggierangerfan00 on Oct 29, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kinda my thoughts, as well
Daniels is under contract to the Rangers for two more years. That would seem to make this a non-topic for at least another year, maybe two.
by twinkilling on Oct 29, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd like to know where this story came from
Because this seems more like a giant whacked out ball of speculation that just fell out of a portal to a bizzaro dimension than an actual story.
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN
by lonestarJon on Oct 29, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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