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This is the 6th highest win total in Ranger history.

Pretty remarkable.

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I feel pretty good about that

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Oct 3, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Well done guys. 2nd place is much better than 3rd.

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

by lost in space on Oct 3, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, yeah, I forgot...

“Wah wah wah, we want to lose games and finish behind Seattle and Detroit and whoever else so we can pick 20th instead of 23rd!!!”

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 3, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I remember last time you scoffed at that thinking

we won enough to fall a few spots to draft Kiker, instead of Lincecum 2 spots higher. Late season post elimination wins are meaningless.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 3, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Concerning yourself

with a loss of 3-4 draft spots used to draft some unknown player that at best has probably a 30-40% chance of even a cup of coffee in the majors is pretty meaningless too.

by bdavison94 on Oct 3, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except

when you miss Lincecum by 2 picks to get Kiker.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 3, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or Weeks 1 pick after Smoak

Just to take a little sting off the Lincecum thing

Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law

by Keynes on Oct 3, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except Lincecum has a Cy Young

Smoak has at least been to the World Cup Of Baseball

by oc on Oct 3, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

to be fair you’ll need to find a situation where they missed out on taking some complete bust that would have cost them a couple million to sign by slipping a couple of picks. It works both ways. Which is the point and why it’s ridiculous.

Of course you’ll never know about the situation above. Hindsight doesn’t work as well in this case. Doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.

by bdavison94 on Oct 3, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

except it doesn't work both ways.

one big success makes up for a large number of busts. Thats the way the draft works. Just on Tim Lincecum can change a franchise significantly. A bust really doesn’t hurt much more than one year of a mediocre free agent.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 3, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is an unwinnable debate

But I could not disagree more with this logic.

by LiamP on Oct 3, 2009 9:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tea is closing pretty strong

and of course DAvis is too

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Oct 3, 2009 12:18 AM CDT reply actions  

It's really nice to see Davis coming on

Even if it is a bit late.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seems like it's been awhile since I could actually feel good about this club after a game

That was really nice. As a fan I needed a game like that, and you know this team did too.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:18 AM CDT reply actions  

It was a fun game--on the field and the GDT

And we needed it after the last Rays game and then the Angels’ series

by davea on Oct 3, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, that was a good GDT too

Almost like the season’s heyday.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a 2001 banner hanging behind Teagarden in the postgame interview

Is that the last time they made the playoffs? 116 wins, right?

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Oct 3, 2009 12:19 AM CDT reply actions  

And that's still 2 years better than us...sheeeeeesh.

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

by lost in space on Oct 3, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Josh Lewin's last game this season

Never thought I’d say this, but I hope he’s back next year.

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Oct 3, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep

He and TAG are a good combo. I’ll always be one to rag on announcers, but most of the time I do enjoy listening to them. Josh and Nadel are pretty much the two voices of the Rangers for me.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

is his contract up or something?

After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL

by MayurP on Oct 3, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

in fact he said he was really looking forward to next season.

But who isn’t? :)

by jdh90 on Oct 3, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

hank blalock?? :)

After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL

by MayurP on Oct 3, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ohhh

I just got a slight feeling of sadness.

Hank Blalock, the man that never was.

by jdh90 on Oct 3, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Andruw Jones?

After all the talk about Rudy “fixing him”, .207/.316/.451 isn’t really gonna be easy to translate into another gig.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

x
If the Rangers are serious about re-signing Lewin, who has already been on the job eight seasons, the right thing to do would have been to already re-up him. I talked to Lewin and he is confident that he’ll be back.

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Oct 3, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lewin has been here for 8 seasons?

Good lord, I would have never had guessed that.

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

by lost in space on Oct 3, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

After having to listen Barnett, I've really become a fan of Lewin.

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

by lost in space on Oct 3, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barnett really makes you appreciate the work Victor Rojas did when he was here

He was the perfect partner for Nadel, IMO.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vince Cotroneo was a great partner for Nadel

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Oct 3, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I liked Vince more than Rojas

"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.

by Rodney on Oct 3, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to steal your thunder

But that inning didn’t get good until I posted rally SMG. ;)

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

anybody else catch

JD saying the Angel’s were “well coached” in the pre-game interview? Interesting.

by jcAustin on Oct 3, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, and a veiled shot at the offensive approach too

It’s gotta be the end of Rudy’s stay here in Arlington this winter.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

hope so....

it’s going to ruffle a lot of feathers but hope JD and Nolan have the balls to do it.

by jcAustin on Oct 3, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ron Roenicke wants a manager's job

Hmm, maybe JD is thinking of stealing him from LAA?

by davea on Oct 3, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

How did

Borbon look in center?

Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room

by red shoe ranger on Oct 3, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

good to me.

One throw was a little weak, but he seemed to get good reads.

by jcAustin on Oct 3, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

one throw was VERY weak

he charged a grounder, fielded it in shallow CF, and uncorked a lollipop that was offline and barely made it past the pitchers mound. If Teagarden wouldn’t have come from the plate to catch it, I think it would have just landed there and stayed, like a really nice pitching wedge shot.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Oct 3, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looked fine to me

His reads looked fine, and his closing speed is insane. Don’t understand what all the hoopla about him not being able to play center was.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

noodle arm?

"BIg whoop, wanna fight about it?"

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

by lost in space on Oct 3, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think his arm is as bad as it's made out to be

It’s probably weak, yeah, but it’s not THAT bad.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's that bad.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Oct 3, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

if Wash

has a bad opinion of the kid wouldn’t it have to be based on reports from scouts or minor league coaches? Wash certainly hadn’t seen enough to make his own evaluation.

Didn't anybody tell you how to gracefully disappear in a room

by red shoe ranger on Oct 3, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's a combination of Wash fixating on his throwing reputation or something

And the fact that he thinks Marlon Byrd is some kind of superhuman CF. He’s been acting like playing Borbon in CF would cost the pitchers 5 runs per game or something.

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

He sees him a lot in non-game situations

I imagine.

That's why they call them business sox

by egriffey on Oct 3, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

OT

MLB Network is playing the bottom of the 9th inning in Dodgerland (live). Rockies 4, Dodgers 3. No outs. Nobody on base. Vin Scully behind the mic.

It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin

by txranger7 on Oct 3, 2009 12:47 AM CDT reply actions  

So apparently TexasDawg now posts on TR's blog
What a racist thing to say. Growing up, Washington likely did not have the same opportunities as you. That’s not his fault. I’m 100% sure with effort he could re-learn English, but as an adult it would be like learning a foreign language. I’m also sure he has better things to do. Your assumptions about his grammar and intelligence show extreme prejudice. You question whether anyone’s angry? Yes. At you.

Washington is a well-respected manager, both by other managers and his own players. He’s in the running for Manager of the Year. With the sole exception of his liking for Andruw Jones, I’ve not had a problem with any of his decisions. After all, it’s ultimately up to the guys on the field to execute the plays. And through it all, the Rangers hung in there until the very last week of the season in what was just supposed to be a transition year.

Is it possible to suppress comments from individual posters? I’d just as soon never read anything you have to say again.
By commenter25 on October 3, 2009 1:16 AM

lulz. Also, TR has some stuff up about Rudy – not much to read, really, just everyone saying the right things.

http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/10/jaramillos_status_uncertain_am.html

Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock

by LSJ on Oct 3, 2009 1:42 AM CDT reply actions  

x

wtf?

Washington said he didn’t even ask Cruz if he was healthy enough to play. The right fielder hurt his left ankle Wednesday and Washington said he didn’t look for him to be ready to play before the season ended.

"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz

by Ryin A on Oct 3, 2009 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

If we can get a solid offer for Cruz

should we trade him?

I like Cruz a lot and would rather keep him on the team. The only problem is that Wash is our manager and will be our manager for at least 2 more years (unless we totally implode next year). I just can’t understand what Cruz did to get Wash to look down on him so much.

With Wash not liking Cruz as much as us, should we trade him for something good?

by Coolbean04 on Oct 3, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I wonder what the Giants would give us for Cruz?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 3, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

no, "we" should convince the manager that Cruz is a top 20 OF in all of baseball

and that if his name isn’t on the lineup card 6 days a week, then said manager won’t be filling out the lineup card in the future.

Trading an impact COF with power, speed, and good defense because the manager doesn’t like him is stupid. If you have to seriously consider that scenario, you should also seriously consider shit-canning the manager.

"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out

by tricer on Oct 3, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd shit-can the manager regardless of his feelings towards Cruz.

Cruz can’t hit LH pitching and turns 30 years old next year. I go back and forth on his defense. The range and arm are legendary but he does a lot of really stupid shit in the OF once he gets to the ball.

 If he was a monster v. LH pitching, I’d probably keep him but the core future of this team lies with Josh, Borbon, Davis, Murphy (maybe) and we need somebody who can torch LH pitching.

He has a lot of value right now and teams (SFO, NY Mets – 12 HR’s led their team) that are starved for offense would probably give you a nice package.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 3, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

A guy who was actually waivered, who adjusted on advice from Servais, who league managers and coaches consider an AllStar, whose RH power is unusual even for a ‘power hitter’, ought to bring a bucket of goodness. I simply cannot fathom how or whyt he may be crosswise with Wash, but if he isn’t gong to be used, cash him in for chips.

Arcane theory: it’s all on Rudy. Wash being a loyalist may have bought that Cruz is not responsive to Rudy’s advice. Maybe way off, but it wouldn’t surprise me. JW once said Cruz gets my admiration because he’s my favorite player. My POV is that I don’t have favorites, but I follow and defend guys who I think are simply better than generally perceived. And I don’t want to see the Rangers become a “fits our clubhouse” clique. You call that stuff “Happy Losers”

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Oct 3, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

If it wasn't for the fact

that the ownership is in default on their current debt, I would recommend making a move for a bat. However, it doesn’t appear as if the money exists for that.

I have a bad feeling we will go into next year with
C Salty
1B Davis
2B Kinsler
SS Andrus
3B MY
RF Cruz
CF Borbon/Hamilton
LF Murphy/Borbon
DH Hamilton/Smoak

I think that lineup will also struggle to top 800 runs. I look at our players, and I think we are just gonna be OBP deficient without an outside bat.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Oct 3, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

x
Cruz can’t hit LH pitching

He hit lefties last year, and he hit them in the minors throughout his career.

http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=443558

I don’t think his performance against lefties this year allows you to definitively say that he “can’t hit LH pitching.”

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 3, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

He hit LH pitching in September of last year

but hasn’t hit in 3 of his other 4 years in The Show.

This year wasn’t the aberration. 2008 was the aberration.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 3, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't hit LHP or RHP prior to 2008

He struggled against them equally.

Looking at his career as a whole, the year where he had a significant reverse platoon split — 2009 — was the aberration.

I don’t think there’s overwhelming evidence out there to suggest that he can’t hit LHPs, and to believe that he’s going to crush RHPs and struggle against LHPs in 2010.

by Adam J. Morris on Oct 3, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only evidence that he can hit LH pitching

are the 37 ab’s he had in The Show during 2008.

The overwhelming evidence is that he can’t hit LH pitching in The Show.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Oct 3, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

How has he done vs LHP

since he changed his stance?

Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year

by RangerMad on Oct 3, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that well

At least per his splits. It almost makes me think he shoud stay open against RHP, and close back down some against LHP. At least, the pitch geometry and field of vision would be somewhat compensated.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -

"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce

by Ed Coffin on Oct 3, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

What you say is all nice but we have no say.

To say, “If Wash doesn’t use Cruz in the lineup 6 days a week, he won’t be filling out a card in the future” is pointless. The point is Wash is most likely here at least 2 years if the Rangers don’t implode. Cruz has a lot of value so if Wash is going to waste Cruz’s talent, we need to think about trading him.

by Coolbean04 on Oct 3, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

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