Sunday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 4, 2009 9:47 AM CDT
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Last game of the season today. Which I felt the need to mention, since some of you might not be aware of that.
Anthony Andro says Tommy Hunter was tipping his pitches last night, and the Rangers didn't catch any breaks, in losing 2-1 to Seattle.
Pudge Rodriguez, Omar Vizquel, and Andruw Jones all want to come back next season. Pudge and Vizquel, I think could well be back. Andruw, probably not.
Ray Buck has a story on Neftali Feliz, who he says is the Rangers most promising pitching phenom since David Clyde. While it may be nitpicking, I'd take issue with that, as I'm not sure either Clyde or Feliz was more promising than Eddie Correa, who, as I mentioned in the game day thread last night when Tom Grieve compared Feliz to Correa, was younger when he threw his final pitch as a major leaguer than Feliz was when he threw his first pitch as a major leaguer.
Jeff Wilson lists the needs the Rangers have to address for next year, although he indicates most of them will have to be fulfilled from within. Wilson also mentions that the Rangers may look at C.J. Wilson in the rotation next year.
And Jan Hubbard has a piece about how a solid season from the Rangers this year resulted in a lot less talk about how TBIA is keeping the team from succeeding.
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tipping pitches
Hunter says he was tipping his pitches. From someone that is not a pitcher, how is that done?
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Oct 4, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly possible
It could be something like having the glove flutter a little bit when he’s changing grips to a certain pitch or having his arm slot a little different on one pitch. They’re very subtle things, but hitter look for them all the time.
by MikeEl on Oct 4, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pitches
thanks…always something to work on.
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Oct 4, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Moving CJ into the rotation". Really?
I thought we were done with that nonsense. Is Jeff Wilson related to CJ?
by MikeEl on Oct 4, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also
Any upgrades to the rotation, or the bullpen or center field, might have to come from young players who continue to develop. Matt Harrison, Pedro Strop and Murphy, say, could be pieces who get the Rangers to the playoffs in 2010.
I really hope we’re not counting on Pedro Strop to get us to the playoffs.
by MikeEl on Oct 4, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pedro Strop
I think he’s going to be really, really good.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 4, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gave up some hits, but otherwise did a lot of really good things in his debut.
That 2011 power bullpen of Strop, Scheppers, ad CJ could be something special.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 4, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Kiker
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 4, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Madrigal could somehow get it figured out
because if he could, he’d definately be something special, but thats a big if….
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Oct 4, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second this.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can take over...
as the power RH arm in the ’pen with Feliz in the rotation next year,.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 4, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the first part
Dunno on the second…depends what the team does with him.
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 4, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened when they tried it earlier?
Or do you just think he’s in the right place as set-up man and part-time or back-up closer?
by other_shoe on Oct 4, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was back in 2005
and I’m not exactly sure how many starts he made, but it was pretty awful and he could never go deep into games. But moving him out of the bullpen and into the rotation also doesn’t make sense from a strategic standpoint. We’ve got Millwood, Feldman, McCarthy, Hunter, Holland, Harrison, Hurley, Nippert, and Feliz already vying for spots in the starting rotation. Why would we want to weaken our bullpen more to fill a non existent need for another starter?
by MikeEl on Oct 4, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that this is just CJ
unhappy with being a reliever if he’s not going to be the closer.
by MikeEl on Oct 4, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you figure?
CJ hasn’t complained about being a reliever to my knowledge.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Oct 4, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did when they first moved him to the bullpen
by MikeEl on Oct 4, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was close to four years ago.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on Oct 4, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ to the rotation
Why is that necessarily nonsense?
by Darrell McKown on Oct 4, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just dumb talk
CJ is already 28 going on 29. This talk is dumb.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 4, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Rogers did it, but I don't think see the reasoning behind it in this case.
I think a lot of guys would have to be traded to let CJ move into the rotation.
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 4, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sep at birth?
CJ Wilson and Fernando Torres?
by shroomer on Oct 4, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it.
Nice romp by Arsenal earlier.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Oct 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every one of those 6 goals was lucky ...
and a sign of just how desperate Arsenal is to find some talent to field.
by shroomer on Oct 4, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ceej is definitely interested in becoming a starter
for the sheer sake of being able to have consistent work and consistent rest. It is harder on the body to pitch 3 separate times in 36 hours than go 100 pitches every 5 days. Considering Washington’s debatable usage of the top bullpen arms like Frankie and Ceej, it is likely a matter of preserving his own health as well.
we're from Texas
CJ says "Relax"
by eclou on Oct 4, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His change isn't good enough to start.
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 4, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome, kinda like the name...
“Just look at him. That’s what his body was born to do — throw a baseball,” Rangers reliever C.J. Wilson said with a touch of fascination when discussing the teammate he calls “Senor Ciento.”
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 4, 2009 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fans suck
So does the media for perpetuating crap like this.
From today’s Letters to the Editor in the DMN….
It is unfortunate Michael Young got hurt during the stretch run. They could have used his great play and leadership during the last month of the season.
It is a shame Josh Hamilton did not step up when it mattered most as he sat out with a back strain. Only in baseball is such diva behavior tolerated.
Amador Adame, Flower Mound
What an idiot. 2 guys get hurt and miss time but one of them is a diva who didn’t step up while the other is a great leader? WTF?? I know Mike Young has reached deity status in this town but this is ridiculous. This isn’t meant to bash Mike Young but rather the morons who believe he can do nothing wrong and that includes the media hacks who portray Teixeira and ARod as douche bags for basically doing the same kinds of things as Young, ie: complaining about rebuilding, signing contracts for too much money, and being pseudo GMs.
LoneStarBall....You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by DaheelzCM on Oct 4, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I swear
MY could drop trou and literally take a dump on homeplate and fans would say he was just doing everything he can to stay out on the field.
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Oct 4, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Twins!
Wonderboy, what is the secret of your power? Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky-muck now. -- Tenacious D
by rooster on Oct 4, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where can I find a list of Rangers who are free agents, arbitration eligible, etc?
I know the main guys, but I’m not sure about guys like Grilli, Eyre, German, Benoit… info would be appreciated. Thanks.
Football=Fling... Baseball=Relationship
by Wemedge on Oct 4, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/texas-rangers.html
Remember Red, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies.
by WyoRanger on Oct 4, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good site for that stuff
http://rangers.scottlucas.com/
Thanks Scott
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 4, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way better suggestion
No offense to Scott but I keep forgetting to check in there periodically although everytime I do, there’s a bunch of great stuff.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 4, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you both...
Just what I was looking for.
Football=Fling... Baseball=Relationship
by Wemedge on Oct 4, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never thought the way the ball flies at TBIA would hold them back ...
but I do strongly suspect the heat will deny a season-x-season sustained quality of play.
by shroomer on Oct 4, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone find the OF comment concerning?
“Center field is an area that we need to address,” Daniels said. “Marlon was a very big piece for us this year. David Murphy stepped up, too. With Julio [Borbon] coming and Josh coming back and if we re-sign Marlon, it gives us options. You need more than four guys.”
Uhhhh….Nelson Cruz?
by UNTJosh on Oct 4, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he was talking about CF.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Oct 4, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was talking about guys that can play center.
by MikeEl on Oct 4, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need more than four guys that can play center???
The 2009 Texas Rangers offense: sigh...
by Kinslerhomer on Oct 4, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Gut does
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 4, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, time to go to the offseason signature
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 4, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy Fuck, thanks a-wipe.
Like today is not a tough enough day as it is…
"Back on the scene, with a gangsta lean" RW
"When you have a weapon on your shoulder like he has, you can be cool." RW on Perez
And the little bastard threw it for a swinging strike three in a 3-2 count. He’s blessed. And ballsy.
by Rodney on Oct 4, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if it was already mentioned, but JP Ricciardi finally got canned.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Oct 4, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, Michael Jackson dead at the age of 50.
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Oct 4, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the North won the Civil War
"Does this effectively hide my thunder?"
by Bob Loblaw on Oct 4, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you mean
The War of Northern Aggresion
by kevinkinsler on Oct 4, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one area they need to fill
is high OBP guys. Not sure if they will be able to find those guys internally. May need to get a hitter thats not tainted by Rudy.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 4, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What they need to do is instill in the hitters
a desire to consistently work the count. They can do it when they want to do so.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 4, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you can take a hacker
like Davis, and make him a patient hitter.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 4, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say this
Davis has a reputation for being someone who is intelligent, who has recognized what he needs to work on and has been willing to adapt, throughout his career.
Up until 2009, in fact, his career has shown him consistently improving and making adjustments at each level.
Now, his thinking too much is probably something that can be a flaw — his problems this year have been, it seems, a lot mental — but I think that given his age and given his willingness to work on things, he’s probably more likely than the average player to show some improvement in that regard.
That doesn’t mean that he’s going to be a 100 walk guy, but I do think he’s someone who can give you .330-.340 OBPs pretty consistently, which, with his power, makes him a valuable player.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 4, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him be
a 330 OBP/500 SLG, which would make him cheap and fairly average for a 1B.
However, I still doubt he is a patient hitter. I think he will always be a high K/Low BB guy.
I just don’t see this team turning into a bunch of high-OBP types with the hitters they have. Smoak, and maybe Ramirez, are the only two on the horizon who might help that.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 4, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying CD can turn into a high OBP hitter.
But with a smarter approach at the plate the Rangers could at least be a lg avg OBP team.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 4, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do suspect
that approach isn’t free though. Most likely it comes at the expense of points of SLG.
I think this team would do well to acquire a bat or 2 during the offseason. It appears to me that you can get a DH/1B or a DH/OF which would be a perfect pickup.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 4, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any names...
you could think of that might be available?
I also believe this team needs at least one more high OBP/work the count type bat to help this lineup.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 4, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can get
Bradley as cheaply as some reports indicate, due to the Cubs wanting to dump him, he would be fairly ideal.
Cheap, high OBP, can play OF in a pinch.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Oct 4, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See...
he’s the best option that I can think of too. At first I thought it would be a perfect fit (and I’d still love to see it happen), but I’m starting to doubt that he comes back to Arlington.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 4, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think OBP is more important than SLG
to a point
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
by RangerMad on Oct 4, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd really like to see feldman get to 18 wins with a sub 4 era.
Thats a pretty good combination.. just don’t drop to 4.2 or whatever with another blowup.
Anyway I wish this wasn’t at the exact same time as the cowboys.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Oct 4, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope we blow up Felix chance at the CY
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 4, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which gets me to check what greinke did
ah, 4 ER. I was wondering if a complete game shutout could have gotten him beneath 2, though I don’t think it would have.
He should still win it though regardless of what felix does today, but yeah may as well blow him up anyway heh. At least don’t give him a 19th win.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Oct 4, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the return of Pudge
How would that work? Aren’t we kinda stuck with Salty and TT next year? I don’t see anyway to carry 3 backup catchers on the roster.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 4, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On Ed Correa
He pitched one of the first games I remember seeing in person. It was ’88 I think — the year the Rangers finished second to the then California Angels. The only thing I remember about Correa is he walked the bases loaded and then struck out the next two. The next batter got a double, and Eddie was pulled. The Rangers lost.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Oct 4, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cincy is going to be good next year
Homer Bailey has been lights out lately. And Votto’s slash lines are incredible.
There is other talent there also, that team could make some noise next year.
"You can probably stick a fork in the Rangers' playoff chances for 2009." - AJM on 7/26 with the team 4.5 games out
by tricer on Oct 4, 2009 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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