Buster Olney and the ROY balloting
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 5, 2009 11:12 AM CDT
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PrintBuster Olney offers his ballots on the major awards today, and the ROY balloting is, of course, the most compelling to me as a Ranger fan:
AL Rookie of the Year:
My gut feeling is that that is how the top three will end up going -- Andrus will win, followed by Porcello and Bailey. Porcello has just gotten a lot more buzz than the other rookie starting pitchers, and is viewed as a key part of a playoff team. Bailey has the gaudy ERA and save numbers, but relievers generally don't get a ton of support in these votes.
So I'll be mildly surprised if Elvis doesn't end up the winner.
I was just going to leave it at that, but I wanted to comment as well about Olney's other ballots. Olney has Justin Verlander and Mariano Rivera as the 9th and 10th place vote-getters on his MVP ballot...which wouldn't be all that remarkable, except neither is in the top 3 in his Cy Young balloting. His top three on the Cy Young are Greinke, King Felix, and Sabathia, none of whom appear on his MVP ballot.
Why? No explanation, although I assume that we'd get the usual b.s. about just because you're the best pitcher doesn't mean you're the most valuable, blah blah blah.
Which is stupid, but whatever. We go through this every year. I should be inured to it by now.
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Can't link to it
but on the ESPN Dallas site http://espn.go.com/dallas/ it says JD is going to be doing a chat on Thursday at 11 AM
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
I'd say...
AL Rookie of the Year:
Elvis Andrus
Gordon Becjham
Rick Porcello
2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015?
oops *beckham
you damn spell cops
My picks are Andrus and Beckham
2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015?
I can buy the argument
that relievers like Rivera deserve MVP votes before they get Cy Young votes.
Of course, I don’t see any argument for Verlander above Sabathia for MVP. Even Sabathia has the “pitched for a playoff team” argument working for him too (whereas Grienke and Feliz don’t). Maybe his argument is that Sabathia could have been 50% the pitcher he was and the Yankees still make the playoffs, whereas Verlander has been the “difference” between the Tigers making this far it and not. Of course, the only problem with that logic is that it is stupid…
Go Rice Owls!
You guys are obviously following this race closely, so...
Any thoughts on why Brett Anderson isn’t getting more love. Simply ERA and W/L record? His peripherals are better than any of the other rookie hurler (Porcello, who’s been extremely overrated, Romero, Niemann, etc.)
FWIW, I voted Anderson, Elvis, Niemann.
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He started off terribly...
…and his team fell off the map early. I think that resulted in everyone just ignoring him and forgetting about him.
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 5, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Anderson, Elvis, Niemann
would be a reasonable top 3. Porcello has gotten alot of hype this year for the jump he made, and it must be Anderson’s record holding him back. Saying that, Anderson was the best rookie pitcher and the award should be between him and Andrus. I have a bias towards Andrus, but Anderson is just as deserving.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
That is my top 3
Though I think I’d suffle the order. I have no idea why Porcello is getting attention when he really is no better than the 5th best rookie in the AL (and probably far lower).
Go Rice Owls!
Has to be
ERA and W-L tradition. A lot of voters “haven’t grown up yet” or never will in terms of performance assessment.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Oct 5, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I will be surprised if Elvis wins ROY.
He only outstanding offensive stat is SBs which voters will probably view less important than a pitchers wins or saves toatals.
Elvis Andrus - 2009 AL Rookie of the Year
Mitch Moreland -Tom Grieve Rangers Minor League Player of the Year
Martin Perez - Nolan Ryan Rangers Minor League Pitcher of the Year
wins are overrated
and defense is just not an important stat to most voters. sad, but true
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Disagree
I’m sure voters will look at errors, which will probably lead to Elvis getting fewer votes.
by LiamP on Oct 5, 2009 12:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
That’s how the uninformed still quantify defense, so there ain’t no way Elvis is gonna win ROY on his defensive merits.
Which basically means he has no shot at all.
Hank is 7 runs below a zombie replacement at first base. Do you realize how terrible that is? Zombie’s can’t think, they’re slow, and they’re often ejected from the game for eating opposing baserunners’ brains. - Ben quantifies Hank Blalock
by LSJ on Oct 5, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Porcello is the wild card
If he pitches well tomorrow that might do it for him. Voters seem to just remember the last thing they saw.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
I think ballots have to be in before then
by Adam J. Morris on Oct 5, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
It’s a regular season game so I figured it would have to be considered. However, I’m sure they created deadlines for balloting before the season started and didn’t consider this game or the fact it would be pushed back a day for NFL.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Yeah
They have already awarded Comeback Players of the Year; I have to imagine that means all complete ballots are in.
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