Tuesday a.m. Rangers stuff
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 10, 2009 7:57 AM CST
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Jeff Wilson writes that the Rangers' pitching depth puts them in a position to possibly move a pitcher or two for help elsewhere. Wilson suggests that Brandon McCarthy could have the most trade value, among the Rangers' back-end guys, although I have a hard time seeing him fetching all that much in return.
Wilson also mentions that the Rangers have some interest in Milton Bradley, who the Cubs are shopping.
T.R. Sullivan has a story on Elvis Andrus and the post-season awards, saying that Andrus should at least be a candidate for Rookie of the Year and for a Gold Glove.
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Over at BBTIA
David has a good comparison of 2004-05 and 2009-10.
http://www.bbtia.com/home/2009/11/10/looking-back-on-2005-looking-forward-to-2010.html
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
x
Rangers…….pitching depth………hell freezing over?
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by RangerMad on Nov 10, 2009 8:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Zach Sanders at FanGraphs on:
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
.280 with 31 dingers....I'll take that thanks!
Good help doesn't come cheap.
- Gil LeBreton
by BigGuns on Nov 10, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Zach Sanders really Adam Morris?
The analysis in that article boils down to this line with zero supporting evidence
I think that his second half numbers will transfer over into the start of 2010,
I’m glad you think that Zach. I hope you’re right.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 10, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly disagree
While I think he is capable of getting hot in short samples, for example, batting .464/.483/.643 in his last 7 games last season to skew his 2nd half numbers into respectability, I don’t confident he can maintain over a full season.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See the comment
after the story? That guy makes a good pt. Im thinking .265 range with around 30 HRs for CD
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by Michael Cave on Nov 10, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
but CD has always put up high BABIP’s
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that also because of his high strikeout rates
He doesn’t put as many balls into play so a higher percentage fall for hits?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
strictly speaking, they aren’t related stats. But for two guys with the same batting average, the one with the more strikeouts will have a higher BABIP (they are linear components to batting average).
BA = BABIP * (% ABsIP) + %HR + [0*%K]
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 10, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
put another way
if Davis had an average BABIP, he’s not a major leaguer.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 10, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
More likely though
the BABIPs will be about the same, and the BA will go downwards.
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by DJCahill on Nov 10, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had never seen Trip's pitchfx tool
that is pretty awesome.
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of Davis' biggest weaknesses was his .150
batting average when pitchers got two strikes on him. In all other situations Davis hit .409.
As a point of reference, Murphy hit .225, Andrus hit .209 and MYoung .211 whenever they had two strikes on them.
When Davis came back he did seem to be swinging early in counts, just trying to make contact and his numbers were propped up by 9-10 infield hits he received. I don’t know if he was doing everything he could to avoid getting two strikes on him or if he was being more aggressive. He only drew 7 walks in 142 plate appearances and he’s not going to be worth a damn going forward if he only gets 30 walks every season.
I think his numbers when he came back weren’t a true indication he’d recovered his 2008 production unless he has suddenly become the type of hitter who gets 40-50 infield hits every year. Up until around September 20 or so, he was the same hitter we saw in the first half (had .214 average / .263 obp) but closed with a flurry when everybody was playing kids or just trying to get the season finished.
The player we saw in 2008 was one of the most exciting young sluggers in the game and 40 bombs was a realistic goal while the player we saw in 2009 was one of the worst hitters in MLB.
Somewhere in between is probably the best hope right now and 31 HRs with a .280 batting average but as referenced above, if he doesn’t start taking walks, he’s going to be useless.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Check that on the Chris Davis .150 batting average with two strikes.
He actually hit .121 last year whenever a pitcher got two strikes on him.
Ouch.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity...
….what was it after he was recalled?
by FuturePants on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like
how the number of infield hits increases every week. By Spring Training, every one of his hits will have been an infield hit. Even the HR’s…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure what Josey is referring to
All I remember is him gettting some IF hits when he hit the ball so hard it knock an infielder on his ass and Davis was able to trot to 1B. :)
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by RangerMad on Nov 10, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Off the top of my head, there was a slithering ball in NY on his first night back that
Jeter was able to get in front of but had to eat it.
He hit a ball in Game 1 of the Toronto DH that went under Overbay’s glove that Eric Nadel said was an obvious error but it went for a hit and 2 RBI. Nothing like the taste of home cookin’ from your own scorekeeper. In Game 2 of that DH he hit another ball to Overbay who was playing deep and the pitcher forgot to cover.
In Cleveland, wanna say it was Game 2 of the DH, he hit a ball to the SS (ACabrera) that was misplayed but ruled a hit because it was hit so softly.
In Arlington, second game of series with LAAA he hit a ball with funky spin misplayed by Aybar that went about 157 feet and CD somehow got a double.
Don’t specifically remember the rest but that’s 5 balls that were very softly hit.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't get :) do you?
Whine all you want about IF hits but it tends to even out when you consider LDs that were caught by IFs.
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by RangerMad on Nov 10, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
In the Josey Davis/Blalock bitch session, he kept saying that certain hits by Davis were not good enough and should not count; i.e. all of his infield hits, and discounted Davis’ average by those hits which Josey alone deemed to be not hits.
by FuturePants on Nov 10, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I just think that in a full major league season (550-600 plate appearances) that nobody should expect 40-50 infield hits from Chris Davis.I don’t think we should expect the same ratio of infield hits over the long haul of a full major league season.
I will grant that he was very good after September 20 but those games weren’t much more than glorified spring training games in late March.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Pig headed Fool
Extrapolating 2 weeks over a season borders on buffoonery. Yep, he had a high order of infield hits for a short period of time. This just in. During those same 2 weeks, he kept getting great cards in poker. Dood, things happen. Maybe due to whatever change he made to his swing(or approach), led to a temporary spike in fluky IF hits.
eom
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by Parman on Nov 10, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Note that Josey did not disagree with what I said...
….and that he does in fact think that some of Davis’ hits are not “good enough” to be inclusive of his Average.
by FuturePants on Nov 10, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Note that I'm staying out of
pissing matches with you that pollute the thread, gossip queen.
The name of Chris Davis can be mentioned in here without the thread self-destructing.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing with you.
I didn’t even address you. Further reading comprehension failure.
by FuturePants on Nov 10, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
batting average with two strikes
is such a worthless stat I can’t even begin to consider thinking about it. Obviously it is going to suck horrendously relative to less than two strikes for guys who strike out a lot. That is so incredibly meaningless that to use it on Davis is just stupid. I can’t imagine Reggie Jackson’s or Mike Schmidt’s were pretty either. And this is coming from someone pretty well established in the Davis is overrated camp.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they will trade McCarthy...
With his injury history, it just does not seem McCarthy would bring enough in return to justify trading him.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 10, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree on McCarthy
Worst case scenario if you trade him. You don’t get much for him due to injuries, however, he has talent. So you trade him and he stays healthy and becomes a serious contributor to another team in the BP or as a SP. If he fails somewhere else you still don’t have much for him so no upside anyway.
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by RangerEddie on Nov 10, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Elviis
won the SBN ROY. Congrats to him.
by ramjam36 on Nov 10, 2009 10:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good for him.
Hopefully he wins the real award later this month and I’ll gladly take some salsa with my crow, please.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You dumbass
You can’t have salsa with crow. You’re an effing dumbshit, Troll.
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 10, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right now...
McCarthy and his injury history give him little trade value. He has been a decent pitcher when he actually pitches though. I think the Rangers just need to hold onto him as depth for the starting staff.
I really haven’t heard any trade scenarios that make a lot of sense for the Rangers so far. With the exception of trading for Board Game. I just don’t know what pieces are going to be available, either through trade or FA, that would really help this team. Of course a large reason for that is the limited financial room the team has right now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Reacquiring Bradley
I imagine that frees up Cruz – offense-wise, I mean – for a pitching deal. There’s no better trade piece on the roster, especially considering his diminished playing time down the stretch.
It’s too steep a falloff after Perez, Feliz, Holland, Smoak…the system has great depth but few unambiguous attention-grabbers. Teams will demand they package around one of the blue chips.
Otherwise it’s free agency, and probably just second tier veterans at that. Not really a bumper crop this winter…
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that...
acquiring Board Game means dealing Cruz. I think the Rangers need both of them in the offense to compete in 2010.
I just don’t understand why everyone wants to use Nellie as the trade bait. I get that he isn’t 22 and may have some value. However he has value because he’s a plus defensive RFer who hits well. When the Rangers biggest need is offense they shouldn’t be willing to trade that. Especially when he’s under control for the next few years for a relatively cheap salary. Keep Nellie.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers apparently have one means of talent acquisition this year - trades.
Ownership is murky (thank god that greedy incompetent sonofabitch has to sell) and the supposed number one farm system has nobody ready to make a splash in The Show in 2010 so the only means of acquisition is via trade and Nelson Cruz is the most marketable player we have.
It has to be for the right package, meaning players/pitchers who can contribute at the major league level in 2010 otherwise keep him.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one cares what you think...
and the farm system does have someone ready to make an impact in 2010. His name is Justin Smoak. Perhaps you’ve heard of him. I believe he was drafted (along with many other great draft picks) by JD.
Now go away troll, adults are trying to have a conversation here.
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by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Smoak struggled in AAA last year and only a fool
would depend on him to have an impact in The Show in 2010.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying you’d rather deal Smoak than Cruz?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no...
I’m saying I don’t want to deal either of them.
Cruz isn’t going to bring you back a TORP. That’s the only thing you could consider dealing him for. There are only a handful of TORP available out there and Nellie isn’t going to get you one of them. If I’m wrong, and he can bring back a TORP then fine, deal him. I just don’t see that happening though. He’s far more valuable to the Rangers in their lineup than being used as a trade chip.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"He's far more valuable to the Rangers than in their lineup than being
used as a trade chip."
How the hell do you know this until you see the package?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz isn’t going to bring you back a TORP.
Well, Cruz with minors talent gets you in the conversation for a front-end pitcher.
And Cruz for Vazquez heads up is actually sane and doable. Actually it’s sell high on both ends, and I’d speculate Atlanta wins that deal. All they’d have to do is play Cruz more than Texas did in 2009.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vazquez...
is not a TORP, especially in the AL imo, and I certainly don’t want to give up 3 or 4 years (can’t remember how long the team controls Nellie for) of Nellie for 1 year of Vazquez.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All they’d have to do is play Cruz more than Texas did in 2009
Ugh this statement really irritates me. Some of yall act like Nellie only played 90 games or so. Do yall realize that had he not gotten injured he would have played 140+ games? He only had 2 days off in the first half of the season. Hes played baseball practically year round for the past several years now. Giving him a few extra days off in the second half is not that big a deal. Yes we could have spread his days off out a bit but in the end, Cruz playing (or would have played) 140 games or so is a very nice number of games.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So would you deal Cruz for Vazquez?
If so, why?
Dealing a 30 year old productive OFer because he may decline even though he’s under team control for a few years with a cheap salary doesn’t make much sense to me. Especially if you are dealing him for a 33 year old starter who, although he had a great season this year, only has 1 year left on his contract. He also wasn’t quite as good in the AL when he was younger.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it doesn't have to be freaking Vasquez. In fact, I don't make THAT deal.
I’m thinking more along the lines of what Tampa received for Young.
A starting pitcher and every day player who impacts your line-up, preferably young.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No I don't
I don’t think Vazquez would be nearly as good in the AL. I think we have to get rid of Millwood before adding another veteran to the rotation. Either that or trade some of our young pitchers for a veteran.
And Vazquez isn’t enough of an upgrade in the pitching department IMO to deal Nellie.
I wouldn’t mind exploring what Tampa would be asking for Carl Crawford personally. Hes a FA after this year which means Tampa probably is going to look into trading him. Trading Crawford for Cruz would allow them to play Desmond Jennings in LF and also upgrade their RF situation with Cruz replacing Gross and Kapler.
It would allow us to take a little extra time making a decision on Borbon. Either sign a Mike Cameron or resign Byrd to play CF, Murphy is your 4th OF, and Borbon goes back to OKC to start the year. If we resign Crawford next winter great. If we fall out of the race this year we can trade him at the deadline. If we can’t resign him we get picks back.
As for what it would take i don’t know. Maybe Cruz + Main + a lower level high upside arm? I don’t really know to be honest but i think we should kick the tires on it
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For Cruz, I'm asking Tampa to kick in another high quality
arm to go along with Crawford.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
That's pretty funny
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a high price for a "dumbshit" player
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford...
is a great player, I’d love to have him. However I couldn’t give up Cruz for him since he will be a FA after 2010. I certainly wouldn’t throw in a guy like Main either.
Don’t sell low on prospects like Main.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not selling low on Main
I think Crawford is a great player who would command more than Nellie since Crawford is much more of a sure thing than Nellie.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not necessarily wanting to trade Nellie
Just realizing that he is probably our best non-starting pitcher trade bait that is a logical choice to get traded. Sure Elvis and probably Kinsler and Josh have more trade value but none of those guys are likely to get traded. Same as Smoak more due to the unpredictability with Davis. And if the goal is to trade a player at their absolute highest value its perfectly reasonable to think that that time is now for Nellie. he finally showed what we’ve all been told was his promise for the last few years. He is not a young player you can build around but he is under control for several more years at a low cost to an organization. All those factors add up to him being very valuable in trade. And since people around here don’t want to give up pitching simply because we’ve done that in thaq past and its bitten us in the ass then who else are you going to trade to potentially improve this club?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See...
I disagree with you on Cruz. I understand he’s not the young guy to build the organization around, but he doesn’t have to be that guy to be a key part of this team for the next couple years. Some of you act like he’s 37 years old and only has a year or two of declining productivity left. He’s 29 years old.
I want the Rangers to win in 2010 and 2011. We all do. Imo Nellie should be a big part of that. I still think Nellie has 3 or 4 years left doing what he did this season. If the Rangers are going to try and compete in those 3 or 4 years then they really need his bat and defense in RF.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Nellie could help us win over the next couple years
But I think his impact and how much he factors into that will be greatly diminished IF Hamilton bounces back, Davis finds a rhythm, and Smoak develops as planned. All those are big ifs no doubt. I personally believe all three will happen. I think Hamilton bounces back and has a huge year next year. I think Davis settles into somewhere around a .260 hitter with 30+ homeruns. And I think Smoak progresses like we’ve believed he will and becomes a very very valuable player in this organization. With all those things happening I believe it makes Cruz expendable and thus using his trade value could help shore up another aspect of our team that is weaker. Whether it be a young positional prospect, a established starter, or who knows what.
I think some here have kneejerked way way too hard over our offenses decline this past season.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If all those things happen...
that’s great. You can deal Nellie at this time next year. He will still have value then too. However I think the odds are much more likely that Nellie puts up #’s next year similar to what he did this year than all 3 things happening that you are counting on. It would be nice if we were both right.
If those 3 things don’t happen and you deal Cruz now then you are looking at an even worse offense than what we saw this year. If that happens the Rangers will be nowhere close competing in the West.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree........
Since being recalled from AAA late in 2008, Cruz has been a valuable part of this lineup. I get that his trade value may be at its highest right now. But his value to this team is at its highest, as well.
by Hard8 on Nov 10, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t understand why everyone wants to use Nellie as the trade bait.
Because he’s the only trade bait. If you want value back, he’s about it.
Plus the FO seems uncommitted to him. So it’s partly speculation based on that, too.
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Nov 10, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How much better is Cruz going to be than he was in 2009?
He’s a good player but he’s going to be 30 years old next year (July 1) and has had exactly one good year in The Show.
It’s much better to trade a player one year early than one year late.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
This isn’t a great comp but look at our catchers right now. Last offseason it was thought they had pretty good value. Im not going to cite any of the rumors we made on here but there were several reports that our catchers could be involved as big pieces or even the centerpiece of a trade for a good player. Granted alot of that had to do with their age. But look now. I highly doubt you could find much out there interested in our young catchers as the centerpiece or a big part of a trade for a really good player.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
that’s a bad comp.
None of our catchers ever put up a .260 / .332 / .524 line over a full season in the bigs.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats where their age comes in
their age made up the majority of their value. Their potential was also part of it. now that they’ve both had a full season in the majors and have sucked they are a year older and its skeptical on their potential.
With Nellie he realized most of his offensive potential but his age is a big negative in terms of a team trading for him. Basically his age makes his amount of team control almost a moot point. By the time he becomes a FA he most likely won’t get a long term deal anyway.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
his age is as big of a negative as you’re making it out to be.
Especially since the Rangers or whoever they dealt him to would control him for a few years.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Age
he most likely is going to hit FA on the downside of his career. Which means he probably isn’t going to get a big FA deal. Maybe a 2 or 3 year deal.
Im looking at his peak years. Just because a team will control him for 4 more years doesn’t mean hes gonna be producing all 4 years.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless that one player
is only entering his age 30 season, is in excellent physical shape, had only a .280 BaBIP last season and in no other way shows his season was a fluke, rated very highly on defense, and is cheap. And is a RH bat on a team that thinks it needs a RH bat.
You just don’t trade this guy unless the return is stellar. Fangraphs had his value at $16M last season and I see absolutely no reason to think he’ll be worse next year. We’re not talking about a 35 yr. old guy here.
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Presently built, This Thing isn't much more than
a .500 team and if you don’t make subtle improvements on the weaknesses via trade acquisitions and simply hope we improve internally, you’re not going to win 90-95 games (which is what it is going to take to win the AL West).
One of the biggest reasons we fell short this year is because the GM hoped we’d improve internally down the stretch while our opponents upgraded their rosters with key trades.
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by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a template
You’re just mailing it in now. Even though I know I’ll get no response other than the name Nick Johnson who missed half of August and part of September, did you ever consider the fact that there wasn’t a good trade out there?
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were several good trades out there
and Philadelphia (Lee), Boston (VMartinez) and LAAA (Kazmir) made them.
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by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kazmir, the guy whose always on the verge of falling apart?
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 10, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ignoring the financial aspects of it
None of those trades singularly would have pushed this team into the playoffs. And it would have taken pieces of the future away that do figure to take us to the playoffs.
Had we traded for any of those players your mantra would now have been “See what JD traded away for nothing since we didn’t get to the playoffs”
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by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lee
has historically tanked in RBIA. Kazmir is the 5 and fly 120 pitch poster child for what the Rangers are trying to get away from. Martinez I like, but there is no way they could have added his salary. You can’t hold Hicks financial problems over JD’s head and say he did a bad job not finding a trade. That’s childish.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Victor Martinez trade is a big reason their offense
improved immensely and one of the biggest reasons they made the playoffs.
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by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the newsflash
which is why I put, I like Martinez, but we could not have afforded him. I would have loved to add Martinez. He did make the Red Sox better. No one is arguing that. I am saying it was not financially feasible for the Rangers to make that deal. That is not JD’s fault.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe Nolan didn't want to trade for him?
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JD actually brought some great trade-deadline deals to Nolan
But Nolan vetoed them.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 10, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't have improved us enough to single handedly push us into the playoffs
Not to mention the fact we couldn’t afford him.
Maybe if Nolan had done more to get fans in the game we would have had more money to throw around. 17,000 fans on a Monday night in June is unacceptable Nolan. You need to do your job better.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't know what the addition of those players
would have meant to the Rangers.
We do know that Victor Martinez is a big reason the Red Sox made it to the playoffs.
We also know that JD’s trade deadline plan of hope didn’t work (Rangers went 29-32 after July 31) and was cloaked in failure.
Not making any additions before 2010 and simply hoping This Thing will get better by improving internally is a proven failed option.
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by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Red Sox were 1.5 games up on the Rangers on July 31st
Just like the Phillies were leading their division and the Angels were leading theirs.
Those teams made moves for the playoffs.
Had we made a move we would have been hoping just to get to the playoffs. VMart wouldn’t have been enough im sorry. Would he have helped…sure. But he wouldn’t have pushed us over the Red Sox. Just like Cliff Lee alone wouldn’t have or Scott Kazmir alone wouldnt have.
And had we made the moves you wanted us to make then not made the playoffs like was going to happen you would just revert to your normal “JD doesn’t know what hes doing” mantra and now we would be without several young players that figure into our future
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And what do we need right now, bigsteve?
A big time hitter who gets on base, you know, somebody like Victor Martinez.
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by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who only costs a few million dollars
Last I checked VMarts 7 million dollar figure was too much for us
And if Hamilton doesn’t bounce back and Davis doesn’t improve, we could have Barry Bonds in the lineup and still be screwed
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you understand
what the reply button is for? What did your post have to do with my observations about Cruz?
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody on board
with the rumblings of trying to trade Hamilton? Would he fetch more than Cruz? Would you guys be upset if he was traded? Cruz and Hamilton are only 2 years apart and Cruz isn’t dealing with the black cloud of how much did the drugs really effect him. If Hamilton could get more, I say deal Hamilton and keep Cruz.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton's trade value is way down. Same with Ichabod, CDavis and Salty.
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by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't sell low on Josh right now...
he’s still the most talented baseball player on this team.
Just have to hope he stays healthy and returns to what he did last year.
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by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think his value
is that low. I think you could swing him for more than Cruz based on name buzz and the one big year he had. This is the year you have to sell him if you are seriously worried that the issues will always linger. If you wait another year and he tanks again, no one will touch him.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But hes still young enough that if you trade him now and he doesn't tank
he could have 4 or 5 more very high quality years ahead of him
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Butler...
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 10, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has nothing to do with what I'm talking about!
by oc on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a DH!
he could have 4 or 5 more very high quality years ahead of him
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 10, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can play that game
with anybody his age. I agree with you though, which is why it better be a damn good haul you get in return. I’m not saying trade him for garbage. I’m saying we call a team with a particular target in mind. We offer Cruz and whatever else. They say, change Cruz to Hamilton and it’s a yes. I think you have to seriously consider doing that.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd tend to agree
But I don’t really want to put either on the trade block right now.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretend we had the money to lock him lock term
Would you trade Justin Smoak and Martin Perez/Derek Holland for Prince Fielder?
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2009 1:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
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by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
too many ego issues for my liking.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that he gives a shit
I really liked how he handled Manny Parra
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His body is shit
and he can’t field. I think Smoak will have as much value as him then throw in the pitcher.
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's still young, his body won't be an issue for a while
I mean, he’s a vegetarian for christ sake. And like I said above, he does give a shit, unlike Cabrera. How long will it take Smoak to become a better defender? I think you underestimate the man.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Old body players go out like that...
And he just became a dumbass vegetarian so thats not going to help much if all.
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's stupid
Vegetarians aren’t frail…they just don’t eat meat. They still get nutrients.
by UNTJosh on Nov 10, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You said he just became a vegetarian so that won't help his body
which doesn’t make any sense.
by UNTJosh on Nov 10, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't say it won't help at all
but it won’t make much of a differance on his really bad body.
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Smoak is already a better defender
I know Fielder is a badass hitter but he is in the NL and he’s going to start making big bucks too.
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck no
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"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the Mets won't be asking us about Chris Davis...
Do they have anything of interest to us?
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oliver Perez!!!
Seriously though, CD would be another guy you would be selling low on. I’d rather not explore the option of dealing him ’til Smoak is ready.
Perhaps at the trade deadline.
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by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you be selling low, though? I'm not so sure.
by tyd3311 on Nov 10, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still a believer in CD.
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by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A shock to no one
Texas also is planning to move Josh Hamilton from center to right field/DH in an attempt to protect his fragile body.
One of three things will happen this offseason:
1. We’ll bring in a DH and start Hamilton/Cruz at the corners.
2. We’ll bring in a DH and trade Cruz.
3. We’ll move Hamilton to DH, start Murphy in LF, and keep the offense in tact.
Option #1 is the best. Options #2 and #3 will not substantially improve the offense.
Given our financial situation, I’m not holding my breath for #1…
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or
We could alternate DH between Hamilton and Cruz with the other playing the field. Murphy can play LF. and either siign a stopgap CF (Cameron) or give it to Borbon for good
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just say no to starting Murphy in LF everyday
I like the Cameron idea (and that is a fourth option if we have the money), but a 2010 outfield/DH alignment of Murphy/Borbon/Hamilton/Cruz will not substantially improve the offense.
Plus, starting Murphy and Borbon means having two players who can’t hit lefties. That’s a bad idea.
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BigSteve can't help it
he and alot of other peolpe really love their scrappy, gritty and lovable white lunchpail OF’s.
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hes really really good against RHP
Fine start him only against RHP. That still means probably 100-115 starts a season
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's good idea but the problem is
that Wash can’t help himself as he has to play him everyday.
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK thats a whole different issue
But Murphy can be my LF everyday against RHP and that doesn’t bother me one bit
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That means you have to keep a RHB on your roster to platoon with Murphy
In 2009, Murphy had an .833 OPS against righties. That’s not good enough to justify wasting two roster spots on LF.
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
If you are keeping 13 roster spots for positional players you have 2 catchers, 5 IF, 5 OF, and one wild card. Hamilton, Borbon, Cruz, Murphy, Boggs, can be your 5 OF and still have a WC.
Im fine with a LF platoon of Boggs and Murphy
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the offensive improvement over 2009?
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
Well I personally believe we will improve simply by having Hamilton and Davis bounce back and im hoping Kinsler becomes a more all around hitter rather than swing for the fences.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're relying solely on internal improvement.
I suppose that if everything goes perfectly and three of our main hitters substantially outperform their 2009 numbers, then sure we could score more runs.
However, that’s a really weak offseason plan…
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
When those three had such amazingly low numbers its not a big stretch to think they will improve on them.
I would agree with you if I was saying I expected Michael Young to improve on his numbers but to expect a guy who hit around .200 a majority of the season to improve isn’t a big deal to me. Neither is expecting a guy who hit .300 and 30+ HRs in 2008 and dropped like a rock in 2009 while being injured so much to bounce back isn’t a huge deal.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
improved lineup
Borbon CF – learn on the job
Young
Hamilton
Bradley
Kinsler
Cruz
Davis
TT/Salty/Pudge
Elvis
by Topgun22 on Nov 10, 2009 5:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what bigsteve is proposing.
I agree that adding Bradley would improve the lineup.
by cstorm15 on Nov 11, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He starts against RHP fine
That means hes the primary starter
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we've had this conversation before.
Build a 13-man offensive roster with Murphy and Borbon only starting against righties.
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Borbon only start vs. RHP?
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The BABIP helps mitigate, but still...
Career (minors):
LHP: .268/.333/.342, .295 BABIP (310 ab)
RHP: .322/.375/.424, .364 BABIP (684 ab)
I don’t see any reason that Borbon shouldn’t be able to hit well against lefties, but he hasn’t so far.
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does Borbon have to sit against LHP?
In the minors he actually walked a decent amount vs lefties. And with him just getting on base is good enough. I might move him down in the order but I wouldn’t take him out completely.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See above.
For the record, I have absolutely no problem with starting Borbon everyday just as long as we can improve the offense elsewhere.
by cstorm15 on Nov 10, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 million
This organization has waaay to much love for David Murphy.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll raise you another million, sir +1M
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by NothinG on Nov 11, 2009 7:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell do they seem to think that Josh can't play LF?
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get that either...
leave Cruz in RF and put Josh in LF. It makes too much sense.
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by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. With Cruz
If it ain’t broke don’t fuck it up.
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ron's gut believes
it is broke and fucked up.
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by RangerMad on Nov 10, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
This means we’re either going to have to choose between Cruz or accquiring the high-OBP DH this offense needs right now.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's funny
that so many people on here want to make a trade, but the minute you mention any name, no one wants to trade him. We are going to have to give somebody up in a trade. That’s why it is called a trade. This site has become full of people over estimating the value and talent of a team that hasn’t been that good in awhile.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The only trade...
I want to see this team to make is for Board Game. He shouldn’t cost much.
I’m okay with a rotation of Millwood / Feldman / Hunter / Holland and one of Feiz / McCarthy / Harrison / Nippert.
They also need to add another LH arm in the ‘pen which shouldn’t cost too much via FA.
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by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're drastically misreading the posts in this and other threads.
People are arguing about the merits of trading such and such player, and rightly so. Most of the guys you could trade have serious question marks about their value. Cruz, for example, might be more valuable to the Rangers than he is perceived to be in a trade discussion. So you don’t trade him unless the return is good.
The people on this thread do sometimes overrate Ranger players or prospects, but every guy the Rangers could trade right now has some real ups and downs either staying or going away in trade. It’s not a simple equation.
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although, I agree with your point
about being ready to actually give up someone in a trade. Fans most everywhere expect their GM to obviously “win” a trade. That’s just not realistic, and should not really be the goal of a trade.
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See heres our biggest problem
For one thing we don’t have the financial means to go out and just straight sign someone to help us out. Thanks Hicks
But we also as fans don’t want to trade away young pitching (which is our surplus right now) because…well we are the Rangers and we’ve been bitten by that snake too many times in the past.
We also don’t want to sell low on any of our offensive guys which this winter happens to be most of the team.
Realistically under those set of constraints Cruz is one of only a handful of guys that are tradeable and of those handful he is the most valuable.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 10, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That was my point
from above post. You stated it better.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 10, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up, commie.
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