Wilson: Rangers have "more than a passing interest" in Milton Bradley
Jeff Wilson says the Rangers have been talking to the Chicago Cubs about dealing for Milton Bradley, and suggests that the Cubs eating half Bradley's salary -- which would mean Texas would owe Bradley $5 million each of the next two years -- could be workable.
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Bradley, though, said during spring training that he didn’t play as hard as he could have in 2008 as he tried to protect his stats with free agency on the horizon. That didn’t sit well with some Rangers decision-makers and even some players, and Bradley might have some PR work to do if he were to land back in Arlington.
I think this is the first time I’ve seen it pointed out that some players were pissed off about it, which I would be too.
I get the OBP skills and all, but you sure you want him back ?
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by Ryin A on Nov 10, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I tend to think yes
Very high OBP and very high OPS/OPS+ tend to have a positive effect even when the hitter badmouths the world at large. There is really no substitute for genuinely good production, plus what athlete hasn’t at some time pooh-poohed his accomplishments in a “there’s more where that came from” attitude.
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by Ed Coffin on Nov 10, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't somebody in here arguing with me about some Ranger players
not being happy with Bradley when he was here within the last couple of weeks?
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by Josey Wales on Nov 10, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Figure it out yourself
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by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we could send them Kiker and maybe Mike E
that would be a coup..
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by Chase Irwin on Nov 10, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't know that
but if you could get Milton Bradley for me, I’m ok with that. I’d just get released and end up back over here eventually…
by MikeEl on Nov 10, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we do that?
If they want anything of substance for him, count me out. Maybe they could pick up some of the money we still owe A-Rod (or is that finally over?) lol.
by rclarkjd10 on Nov 10, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It ended when he opted out and took the new contract
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by WestTxAg06 on Nov 10, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually... it didn't
We’d deferred some of the owed money, so even after he opted out, we still owed him like 9 million spread over 3 years.
by venturafearsnolan on Nov 10, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, well I stand corrected then
Did not know that.
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by WestTxAg06 on Nov 10, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
David murpy for Bradley straight up?
I’m with the rest of ya, kiker even seems too much.
I can't help it. I’m an asshole.
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by Jayslick on Nov 10, 2009 9:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is good
but he isn’t going to play everyday. he’ll get hurt or want days off. I wouldn’t want to give anything of value for him.
If i’m giving up good prospects, I’m going after Dunn which is who I think we should go after.
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by NothinG on Nov 10, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get this.
You’d have to give up much better players for Dunn than you would for MB, and the 12mm you’d have to pay for 1 year of Dunn (can this team afford to have a 12mm DH?) would be more than the 10mm left for 2 years of MB.
by LiamP on Nov 10, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn gets On Base at the same clip
and will play everyday, hit you 40 HRs and drive in 100 RBIs then return you two 1st round draft picks next season. I don’t see the problem.
We caught lightning in a bottle once with Bradley. The odds of it happening again are very slim. VERY slim
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by NothinG on Nov 10, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Dunn gets On Base at the same clip and will play everyday,hit you 40 HRs and drive in 100 RBIs thenreturn you two 1st round draft picks next season. I don’t see the problem.
That’s almost exactly what the Reds said to the D’backs and looked how that one ended
by chrisR on Nov 10, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Moreland?
Plus filler?
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no thanks
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh c'mon.
One of Moreland and Davis is expendable, and we keep getting conflicting reports about Moreland’s bat.
Still gotta give value to get value, even in this situation, and if we expect the Cubs to eat contract we can’t expect to stiff them.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
People who think Bradley can be had for free – Cubs paying all his contract and us not giving up anything – are dreaming. Why wouldn’t the Cubs just release him then?
Moreland + some other minor league low ceiling talent would be the type of thing I can see happening.
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by JBImaknee on Nov 10, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moreland + Garr or Tatusko
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And yet
I have no doubt that unless they get the Cubs to pay at least half of his salary while taking only a lesser prospect in return a few here will say they gave up too much. If the Cubs pay half of his contract the Rangers are going to have to give up someone we like.
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They could trade Boscan for Pujols
and there would be people here screaming at the top of their lungs that the Rangers got hosed. Few things are as certain in life as LSBers being bitter at the mere thought of trading a prospect
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by JBImaknee on Nov 10, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only downside of getting all excited over following your minor leaguers
Is getting too attached to the mid-tier ones. Those of us that follow the farm are all guilty of that, in my estimation, myself included.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is true
and sometimes we overvalue players, but my problem with Bradley is only partially related to the prospects we would give up. I have a problem with trading for a guy that we can’t count on. We have enough question marks on this team offensively. I think because Bradley had a good year offensively here in ’08 people forget the type of player and person he is. His motivation while here was getting a payday in Free Agency. He has gotten paid. What is his motivation now? The extra cost in prospects and money is worth it to me to get a guy like Dunn you can count on.
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by NothinG on Nov 10, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because if they release him they're on the hook for his entire salary.
by rclarkjd10 on Nov 10, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
but when people say that the Cubs will pay 95% of his salary and only ask for a bucket of balls in return, that is unrealistic. The Cubs don’t have much room to work with, but they have enough to ask for at least a mid-tier prospect.
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by JBImaknee on Nov 10, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the problem
with giving up a mid tier prospect.
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by DJCahill on Nov 11, 2009 3:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 4:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
those that want him back
will be expecting a line of .321 .436 .563 (2008) but will likely get .277 .371 .450 (career)
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by RangerMad on Nov 10, 2009 5:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What kind of asshat is going to expect a 999 OPS?
by LiamP on Nov 10, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer it
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 10, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd sell my butt sex to rich Russian men one night at a time over a period of several non-consecutive months for it.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
non-consecutive
you are wise to allow time for healing and counseling.
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that over what any of our offensive players put up this season.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Can’t be worse than the big bag of suck our offense put up this year.
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by Maximilian on Nov 10, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Because a player who has spent most of his career in pitcher’s parks is going to put up the same line here in Texas.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
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by Gdawg on Nov 10, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about this.
The dude is brittle and is four hundred years old. If they eat half his salary they probably won’t have to give up too much talent to get him, but whoever it is will be too much.
He’s fucking hurt all the time. You guys aren’t sick of players like that? Spend more, get more.
by Black Francis on Nov 10, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
All of the likely options
have flaws, you have to pick your poison.
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get more what?
Our best options for filling our needs DH this offseason (our needs being a player who can fucking walk) are probably Bradley, Nick Johnson and Troy Glaus. All three are injury prone and brittle.
The other option is sending a gift basket of prospects to the Nats for 1 year, 12 million of Adam Dunn.
Now, if the Nats would sell reasonably low on Dunn I’d be in agreeance with you, but there’s absolutely no reason for them to be doing so.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 10, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he's been hurt every year
he didn’t go on the DL with the Rangers, and I’m pretty sure that was his first year to accomplish that feat.
he’s not getting any younger and a body as hurt as his ages faster…ie Ben Sheets etc. Guys with a history of injury do not stop getting injured.
We already have Kinsler and Hamilton who are almost guaranteed to spend time on the DL. We need another bat that can stay in the lineup at DH. I have my doubts that Bradley can even come close to being that guy. If we don’t pursue someone like Dunn, I would definitely rather take my chances on a guy like Nick Johnson, who will get hurt, but who would most likely be here on a 1 or 2 year deal comparable to what we would pay for Bradley and we wouldn’t give up the prospects.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 10, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is reasonable.
Very reasonable. I’d rather give up more for Dunn. The Rangers could go a long way next year, and he’s the best available player.
by Black Francis on Nov 10, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Money. Money, money, money, money.
I’d rather have Bradley + 7-12million worth of something else (like a starter) next year than Dunn + 0-5million worth of something else.
And that doesn’t even take into account the fact that we’d have to send some real actual genuine talent to Washington to get Dunn, whereas the idea behind this trade is that we wouldn’t really have to give up our shit-stained underpants to get MOB.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing to me
that folks don’t understand this.
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by DJCahill on Nov 11, 2009 4:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you'd have to send talent
But I don’t think he’d cost the farm. I’m not sure what kind of pitcher that sort of money would get in the FA market, but the Rangers have done pretty well growing their own lately. They’ve never been any good at signing guys.
My main problem with Bradley is that he gets hurt all the damn time, and the Rangers already have some players like that. I really don’t think bringing another on board is the best option. Will he hit when healthy? Yeah. Do I like the guy as a player? Absolutely. I was one of his biggest fans when he was here. Loved his approach. But in the second half when the team really needs him and he’s not playing, what good is that? You may as well not have this guy at all because he is not going to take you to the playoffs. Either forget about it or go after someone else. I’d like to see Dunn. I know he’s expensive and it’s unlikely but he’d improve the team a lot.
Anyway, that’s my opinion on it. I do understand the situation (directed at Cahill) but I just don’t believe they should be looking for guys who are likely to get hurt for significant stretches throughout a season.
And there seems to be a lot of people who look at him like some kind of hitting savior. Like he alone is going to get the rest of the team to modify their approach. I don’t buy it. I know it looks like that happened while he was here before, but I cannot accept that it was all his doing. To me that sounds crazy.
by Black Francis on Nov 11, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look,
if Dunn cost the same as Bradley, I’ll take Dunn.
But they don’t cost the same. Dunn doesn’t even appear to be affordable with public statements about the team finances, I really doubt we are gonna pay $12 million for him, and I don’t think that the Expos are going to eat any of his salary, so saying “I want Dunn” is about the same as me saying “I want Megan Fox”.
To me, the folks advocating it are not being particularly realistic.
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by DJCahill on Nov 11, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, then I advocate doing nothing
Or next to nothing. Forget about both Bradley and Dunn. Seek other options, maybe.
Looks to me like if they did spend the $12 million on Dunn, it’s a gamble that has a much better shot at winning. He may very well be the key to getting this team into the playoffs. That means the team makes a lot more money. Of course if they miss and attendance doesn’t go up and they don’t get any of that big post-season TV money, it wouldn’t have been worth it.
But if it’s not going to happen it’s not going to happen. We all know they’re not going to go to the playoffs unless they add somebody who can hit. Hopefully they’ll come up with somebody cheaper.
by Black Francis on Nov 11, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This offense can't afford to do nothing...
and try to win the West next season. Something has to be done, and the Rangers FO knows this.
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by slc ranger on Nov 11, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is the only gossip for this offseason,
I’ll just come back in March, thank you.
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by aggierangerfan00 on Nov 10, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Bradley's a bargain at $5 million a year for two years
The offense will get a shot in the arm. but pretty sure he’ll sit out his usual 40 games or so
by oc on Nov 10, 2009 7:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
gagree
still a bargain
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by Dirk Diggler on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think 130 games is the ceiling for bradley
with a reasonable possibility that he misses more time than that. im not too gung-ho about bringing him back but considering we cant spend much money and would prefer not to trade any really good prospects, he may be our best chance to really improve our offense. id say go for it if we can get them to pay most of his contract and have some depth as a back-up plan.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 10, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
per MLBTR
Edwin Jackson possibly on the block. JD better see what this will take.
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by NothinG on Nov 10, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Meh
He’s not that good
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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 10, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't buy high on that dude.
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by thedirkatron on Nov 10, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither
The chances of him maintaining a sub 3 BB/9 and sub-.300 BABIP are probably slim and none.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 11, 2009 1:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit...
would certainly be selling high on him.
The guy had some pretty bad seasons before this year. He basically has had one really good half of baseball. I’d stay away from him too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is reasonable
there are reports that Cincinnati has to reduce payroll as well and is willing to trade Harang/Arroyo. I think it is a safe assumption that the market is not going to improve this year with many teams having to cut payroll. The drop in attendance by many teams is definitely hurting them.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 11, 2009 7:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
with our team on the cusp, there are going to be alot of opportunities
to make advantageous deals. Votto is also rumored to be available, if a bad contract is taken. The Rangers can look as one of the few teams that attendance has risen and if the team performs as expected will continue to rise.
It’s really bad timing with our ownership situation. When was that suspected of being resolved? Are we going to be lucky enough to have it resolved sooner than later? Let’s hope so.
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by NothinG on Nov 11, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously doubt Votto is available.
He’s still a young player and can’t cost too much. I saw something the other day saying that Selig thought MLB would approve a sale of the Rangers by as early as Thanksgiving.
by MikeEl on Nov 11, 2009 7:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If it truly happens by Thanksgiving
2 weeks from now – that would be perfect. The winter meetings would follow 2 weeks later and with tax breaks etc our new owner would hopefully have the resources to impact this offseason in a positive way. I hate that on the verge of being a winner our hands are tied. We have to turn the corner. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Angels sign Bay or Holliday, or any other big FA this year.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 11, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I predict they don't trade him
after seeing what teams are willing to offer. Everyone knows they’d be trying to sell high.
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by t ball on Nov 10, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
after their experience with Galarraga
I bet they are trying to sell high on his ass.
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by clark on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im all about this deal
and after seeing the drastic need for someone just to get on base consistently in this teams offense, we need Milton back. His best possible location is in Texas, he has his type of manager, and he is exactly the player we missed last season.
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by blalock84 on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty please, let this happen.
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by slc ranger on Nov 10, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Make it happen.
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by Walter Sobchak on Nov 10, 2009 11:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Come back home Uncle Milty!!!
I don’t think they care too much for ya there..
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by BigGuns on Nov 10, 2009 11:57 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I bet you the two players the Cubs are targeting
Kevin Millwood
or Nelson Cruz
by oc on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i have been thinking
Millwood for a discounted Bradley makes a lot of sense. But then I have no faith in KM.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
by clark on Nov 11, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Please......
…don’t bring back this bitter, racist piece of shit!! I have always hated, and will always hate this mother fucker!!
…….however, we really do need to improve our offense and our window of opportunity will not be around forever…..crap!!
Wash is an idiot!!
by bspate on Nov 11, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
less
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