SBN MVP Awards

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 12, 2009 10:00 AM CST Comment 76 comments

Congratulations to Joe Mauer and Albert Pujols, this year's SBN MVP Award winners. The full results:

Rk	Player	Team	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	6th	7th	8th	9th	10th	Pts
1	Joe Mauer	Minnesota Twins	24	3	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	371
2	Ben Zobrist	Tampa Bay Rays	-	10	6	2	2	1	-	1	-	-	172
3	Mark Teixeira	New York Yankees	2	3	2	4	3	2	7	1	-	-	158
4	Derek Jeter	New York Yankees	1	5	3	4	4	2	1	1	2	1	157
5	Evan Longoria	Tampa Bay Rays	-	2	4	1	2	3	2	3	2	1	106
6	Zack Greinke	Kansas City Royals	2	3	2	1	1	-	2	-	-	-	92
7	Miguel Cabrera	Detroit Tigers	-	-	3	1	2	4	-	2	-	5	74
8	Kevin Youkilis	Boston Red Sox	-	2	-	-	1	3	1	8	1	-	69
9	Chone Figgins	Los Angeles Angels	-	-	-	3	4	1	-	1	3	1	60
10	Jason Bay	Boston Red Sox	-	1	-	4	2	-	-	1	-	2	54
11	Kendry Morales	Los Angeles Angels	-	-	4	-	-	1	-	-	1	-	39
12	Ichiro Suzuki	Seattle Mariners	-	-	1	-	2	-	1	2	2	3	37
13	Franklin Gutierrez	Seattle Mariners	-	-	-	1	1	1	3	-	1	2	34
14	Justin Verlander	Detroit Tigers	-	-	-	2	1	1	1	-	1	1	32
15	Felix Hernandez	Seattle Mariners	-	-	-	2	-	-	1	3	2	-	31
16	Jason Bartlett	Tampa Bay Rays	-	-	1	1	1	-	-	-	-	1	22
17	Alex Rodriguez	New York Yankees	-	-	1	-	1	-	1	-	-	-	18
18	Roy Halladay	Toronto Blue Jays	-	-	-	1	-	1	1	-	-	-	16
19	Adam Lind	Toronto Blue Jays	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	-	1	4	16
20	Dustin Pedroia	Boston Red Sox	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	4	1	13
21	Bobby Abreu	Los Angeles Angels	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	1	1	-	12
22	Aaron Hill	Toronto Blue Jays	-	-	-	-	-	1	1	1	-	-	12
23	Mariano Rivera	New York Yankees	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	1	1	9
24	Torii Hunter	Los Angeles Angels	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	8
25	Brian Roberts	Baltimore Orioles	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1	-	-	7
26	CC Sabathia	New York Yankees	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	1	-	6
27	Carl Crawford	Tampa Bay Rays	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1	1	6
28	J.D. Drew	Boston Red Sox	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	5
29	Jon Lester	Boston Red Sox	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	5
30	Jonathan Papelbon	Boston Red Sox	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	5
31	Robinson Cano	New York Yankees	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	5
32	Victor Martinez	Boston Red Sox	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	5
33	Michael Cuddyer	Minnesota Twins	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	4
34	Shin-Soo Choo	Cleveland Indians	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	4
35	Michael Young	Texas Rangers	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1	3
36	Jacoby Ellsbury	Boston Red Sox	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	2
37	Jason Kubel	Minnesota Twins	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	2
38	Alex Gonzalez	Boston Red Sox	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1
39	Nick Markakis	Baltimore Orioles	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1

Rk	Player	Team	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	6th	7th	8th	9th	10th	Pts
1	Albert Pujols	St. Louis Cardinals	31	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	434
2	Hanley Ramirez	Florida Marlins	-	6	8	11	2	1	2	-	-	-	220
3	Chase Utley	Philadelphia Phillies	-	7	11	2	3	1	-	1	-	1	192
4	Prince Fielder	Milwaukee Brewers	-	5	4	4	7	7	1	-	-	-	186
5	Troy Tulowitzki	Colorado Rockies	-	4	1	5	2	3	3	4	1	2	134
6	Tim Lincecum	San Francisco Giants	-	4	1	-	1	2	2	3	1	-	79
7	Ryan Howard	Philadelphia Phillies	-	4	-	1	4	1	-	-	3	1	79
8	Ryan Zimmerman	Washington Nationals	-	-	1	3	3	3	3	1	-	2	79
9	Adrian Gonzalez	San Diego Padres	-	-	1	-	3	3	2	4	3	4	71
10	Pablo Sandoval	San Francisco Giants	-	-	-	1	2	2	2	3	4	3	57
11	Matt Kemp	Los Angeles Dodgers	-	-	1	1	1	1	5	3	-	1	56
12	Ryan Braun	Milwaukee Brewers	-	-	2	-	-	2	2	1	1	-	39
13	Chris Carpenter	St. Louis Cardinals	-	-	-	-	2	1	1	-	1	2	25
14	Derrek Lee	Chicago Cubs	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	1	3	2	25
15	Andre Ethier	Los Angeles Dodgers	-	-	-	-	1	2	2	-	-	-	24
16	Adam Wainwright	St. Louis Cardinals	-	-	-	1	-	-	1	1	4	1	23
17	Javier Vazquez	Atlanta Braves	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	2	1	16
18	Matt Holliday	St. Louis Cardinals	-	-	1	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	12
19	Joey Votto	Cincinnati Reds	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	11
20	Mark Reynolds	Arizona Diamondbacks	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	2	10
21	Todd Helton	Colorado Rockies	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	7
22	Jayson Werth	Philadelphia Phillies	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1	1	6
23	Adam Dunn	Washington Nationals	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	3	5
24	Juan Pierre	Los Angeles Dodgers	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	4
25	Justin Upton	Arizona Diamondbacks	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	1	4
26	Raul Ibanez	Philadelphia Phillies	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	1	4
27	Ubaldo Jimenez	Colorado Rockies	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	1	4
28	Brian McCann	Atlanta Braves	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	4
29	Dan Haren	Arizona Diamondbacks	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	4
30	Michael Bourn	Houston Astros	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	3
31	Yadier Molina	St. Louis Cardinals	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	3
32	Nyjer Morgan	Washington Nationals	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1
33	Yunel Escobar	Atlanta Braves	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1

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i'd wanna know the 1 guy

who didn’t have Mauer in his top 3.

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by NothinG on Nov 12, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

or top 10 for that matter

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by NothinG on Nov 12, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Evan Grant?

by Randy Richardson on Nov 12, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

24+3+1=28

looks like everyone had him in the top 3.

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by RangerMad on Nov 12, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

there are 29 votes

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by NothinG on Nov 12, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wanna know...

who the 5 guys were that didn’t vote for Mauer as the MVP.

Voting for Teix, Jeter or Greinke ahead of him is hilarious.

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by slc ranger on Nov 12, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see how voting Greinke ahead of him is hilarious.

I’d vote for Mauer, but I could easily switch.

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by philkid3 on Nov 13, 2009 1:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My ballot

Joe Mauer
Evan Longoria
Derek Jeter
Zack Greinke
Ben Zobrist
Justin Verlander
Mark Teixeira
Kevin Youkilis
Felix Hernandez
Michael Young

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Texeira 8th!??!

Do you have a personal dislike of him?

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by Josey Wales on Nov 12, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

x

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by ghtd36 on Nov 12, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's so freaking awesome

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by WestTxAg06 on Nov 12, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

See, I was thinking that was high...

For example (not that WAR is the end all), AL WAR:

Zobrist: 8.6
Mauer: 8.2
Jeter: 7.4
Longoria: 7.2
Figgins: 6.1
Gutierrez: 5.9
Youklis: 5.6
Crawford: 5.5
Cabrera: 5.4
Pedroia: 5.2
Teixeira: 5.1

That’s 10 position players you could argue were more valuable. There’s also 7 pitchers (Greinke, Verlander, Halladay, Hernandez, Lester, Sabathia, Beckett). Again, I’m not saying we should vote on these simply by WAR, but as a general reference, I’d say he’s being too kind, not too harsh.

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by GhettoBear04 on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny how there are two Rays in the top 5

(Will C, note that Carl Crawford checks in at 27) and that team won 84 games but there are no Rangers in the top 34 yet the Rangers won 87 games.

Hmmmm, 3 Mariners in the top 15?

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by Josey Wales on Nov 12, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait...

…so it takes more than 3 players to win games? Man, I’ve been going about my theoretical roster construction all wrong….

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by GhettoBear04 on Nov 12, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would have thought that Michael Young

Scooter Feldman and Nelson Cruz would have rated somewhere within the top 34 most valuable players in the AL this past season.

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by Josey Wales on Nov 12, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

All of that you just posted

is meaningless.

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by t ball on Nov 12, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously, dude...

…the Josey theme really helps. Promise.

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by ghtd36 on Nov 12, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're trying too hard to get on the LSB radar, ghtd36.

See if you can dazzle people with content.

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by Josey Wales on Nov 12, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Benny Hill>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Josey

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by t ball on Nov 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Irrelevant.

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by FuturePants on Nov 12, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Question

WAR means wins about replacement correct? So would a team full of 0.0 WAR players finish 81-81? Serious question as i am def showing my ignorance in this saber category.

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by Michael Cave on Nov 12, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

above*

by Michael Cave on Nov 12, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A team of replacement players

would win about 50 games, IIRC. I can’t remember the details, but it’s pretty poor.

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by t ball on Nov 12, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh okay so that is about the baseline then?

So for example if you looked at every Rangers’ value this yr it should total a positive WAR of 37 (if 50 is the baseline)?

by Michael Cave on Nov 12, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

baseline

that’s probably a good way to think of it.

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by t ball on Nov 12, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Rangers total WAR this year

was 40.5 (22 offense, 18.5 pitching). FWIW

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by Gdawg on Nov 12, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay so

if we go by Joey’s 48 below and the total of 40.5 for the players that means the Rangers should have won 1-2 more games. They obviously didnt. Is this attributable to luck? Game mgmt? Something else?

by Michael Cave on Nov 12, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whats the usual variance among teams?

Is one or two games normal? Do some teams underperform their WAR or overperform?

Without looking it up I would imagine the Rangers being 1-2 wins off their WAR is pretty damn good

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by bigsteve on Nov 12, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Part of it could be luck, game management, or w/e

My money though would just be on UZR not being perfect yet on figuring out what happened (mainly throws) and that the pitching is based on FIP which I’ve said here many times why I’m not a fan of basing WAR over it.

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by Gdawg on Nov 12, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's actually closer to 48

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by Joey Matschulat on Nov 12, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How can you put Greinke and Zobrist after Jeter???

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Because these are subjective votes

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by t ball on Nov 12, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pujols and Mauer

they deserve it.

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by coolaid on Nov 12, 2009 10:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

How does anyone give Tex, Jeter, or Greinke a 1st place vote over Mauer?

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by Gdawg on Nov 12, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Zobrist

Is anyone else absolutely amazed that Zobrist got 2nd?

by Heebs on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

No

He was that good

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

im right there with you. i mean really? 2nd?! can some explain to me?

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by 34express on Nov 12, 2009 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Zobrist was a beast.

Problem is, he doesn’t really have a position, which I think hurts him from the periphery.

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by ghtd36 on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No position? dude is a badass at 2B and

Led all MLB hitters in WAR

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Only because...

…catcher defense doesn’t have a great metric yet.

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by GhettoBear04 on Nov 12, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm saying that he is talented at a variety of positions...

…that I think a lot of people view him as a “utility guy”, which hurts him.

Fair or not, I think that’s true.

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by ghtd36 on Nov 12, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He had a great season

but not top 3 MVP voting worthy.

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by aggierangerfan00 on Nov 12, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why not?

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Zobrist:

Avg/OBP/SLG/OPS: .297/.405/.543/.948
wOBA: .408

Plus he was a great defender…

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by GhettoBear04 on Nov 12, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but is he really MVP beast

sure, he had a good year and was deserving of his All-star spot, but I don’t think he is top 3 in MVP. He isn’t even top on his team. I’d take Crawford and Longoria before Zobrist, and don’t get me wrong Zobrist was really good, but not that good.

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by NothinG on Nov 12, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He was the best this year

and that’s what matters.

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Per Fangraphs

he was worth $38.5M this year.

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and cmon that's a little ridiculous don't you think?

he wasn’t worth that much in any situation. offensively he was good across the board, helped out by his .330 BABIP which will definitely regress, but he wasn’t great. Didn’t hit 30 HRs, didn’t hit .300, didn’t get 100 RBIs or Rs. He stole 17 bases but got caught 6 times. he was good, not great and definitely not worth that money or top 3 MVP imo. Fangraphs dollar values are always seem based in a fantasy world.

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by NothinG on Nov 12, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh....

Homeruns and RBI’s…

Fangraphs dollar values are always seem based in a fantasy world.

That is if you don’t count defense

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MVP is an offensive award

it is historically given to the most productive offensive player, so yeah I don’t take his great UZR etc into account. Then the award is also swayed into if their team made the playoffs, which I don’t agree with but its true.

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by NothinG on Nov 12, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pedroia

won in part because of his defense — wasnt the best offensive player on his team at all imho

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by knockoutking on Nov 12, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

as Evan Grant will tell you

Pedroia clearly shouldn’t have won the MVP though

by MikeEl on Nov 12, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait, so you don't think positional value or defensive contributions should factor in to determining who the most valuable player is?!

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by philkid3 on Nov 13, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It really is to some degree...

…because nobody is going to pay Albert Pujols what he’s ‘valued’ at. But that, I don’t think, is the point. The point is not to say Pujols should be getting $38 million dollars this year, but to say that if you paid Pujols for his value on a linear scale at the same rate that you would an average player, that’s what he would be worth. I think everyone realizes that you can’t actually pay him that much.

I suppose what they could do is say the most valuable player should get paid $x dollars ($30 million?), and then adjust everyone’s else’s theoretical worth based on that. But that gives less separation down amongst the average players, where it is needed more.

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by GhettoBear04 on Nov 12, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was.

Quick question, does his WAR based purely on 2B replacements? In other words would it be lower if taking into account the time he spent in the outfield or 3B?

by MikeEl on Nov 12, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

He was also really good in the OF.

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also funny to see the division breakdown (bias) on this list:

AL East:
Yankees 6 (Teixeira, Jeter, ARod, Rivera, Sabathia, Cano)
Red Sox 9 (Youkilis, Bay, Pedroia, Drew, Lester, Papelbon, VMartinez, Ellsbury, Gonzalez)
Rays 4 (Zobrist, Longoria, Bartlett, Crawford)
Orioles 2 (Roberts, Markakis)
Blue Jays 3 (Halladay, Lind, Hill)

That makes 24 for the East

AL Central 7 (Mauer, Greinke, Cabrera, Verlander, Cuddyer, Choo, Kubel)
AL West 8 (Figgins, Morales, Ichiro, Gutierrez, King Felix, Abreau, Hunter, Young)

by Heebs on Nov 12, 2009 11:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

that's nuts

there are more nominees from the Sawx than the total from the Central or West.

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by WhipSmart on Nov 12, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Alex Gonzalez got a vote

that’s just plain stupid.

Nellie Cruz and MY should probably be higher on the list, but that’s the way it goes.

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by NothinG on Nov 12, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This entire list is pretty laughable

on several levels.

Internet blogger types shouldn’t bitch about the real process and actual awards because this list proves they aren’t any better.

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by Josey Wales on Nov 12, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i disagree with some things

but that will be the case with any list.

They got the winners right and that is the most important thing really. I think it’s ridiculous that Alex Gonzalez and Shin Soo Choo are on the list, but that’s near the bottom. I’d probably swap Longoria and Zobrist, but obviously there are definitely polarizing opinions of Zobrist. Perhaps he doesn’t have a big enough name for me. There still seems to be the east coast bias but that will be the same in the real vote, so I don’t see the issue.

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by NothinG on Nov 12, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No it's not

it’s ridiculous that Shin Soo Choo is on the list

He was a better hitter than Jeter.

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hell, their almost tied in wOBA

.389 Choo .390 Jeter

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by Kinslerhomer on Nov 12, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think choo has a place on there

doesnt contribute much defensively but all those walks and steals shore up his value nicely. i do agree though that it’s a pretty good list. You can argue that it’s not perfect, and therefore the sports blogs should lay off their criticism of the actual voters for their flawed results, but let’s see where they put zobrist.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 12, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what about Kinsler

he had a 30/30 season…

by MikeEl on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

gonzo should be way higher, i mean if you take him away from that club, theyre pretty much a pile of crap. he carried them for most of the season, especially when peavy was out

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by 34express on Nov 12, 2009 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

i mean adrian sigh

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by 34express on Nov 12, 2009 3:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

Someone voted for Alex Gonzalez?

by nivarsity on Nov 12, 2009 11:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm Ron Burgundy?

by Heebs on Nov 12, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a real shame

that Mauer won’t win the real MVP award

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Nov 12, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

he might

by MikeEl on Nov 12, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think Mauer is a slam-dunk to

win the real MVP.

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by Josey Wales on Nov 12, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

if somehow he doesnt, this will be one of the biggest mvp slights in modern times.

by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 12, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

guttierez got more votes than feliz hernandez?

impressive

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Nov 12, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Michael Bourn got a vote?!?!

That has to be a homer pick

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by hinduplaya on Nov 12, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Gold Glove centerfielder

that lead the league in stolen bases and was basically the only consistently good player on his team. I’ve got no problem giving him a few 8th or 9th place votes. Especially not when Juan Pierre, Nyjer Morgan, and Yadier Molina are also on that list in the NL. Or Ellsbury, Choo, Markakis, Alex Gonzalez, JD Drew, or Jason Kubel are on the list in the AL.

by MikeEl on Nov 12, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs