Rangers: Best tools
by Jamey Newberg on Nov 13, 2009 1:13 PM CST
110 comments
Adding a new feature to this year's book (as I put the finishing touches on things.....all top 72 prospect features are finished) -- a BA-like rundown of the system's best tools. But I want to go beyond what BA does. What other categories do you want me to add besides the following?
Best Hitter for Average
Best Power Hitter
Best Strike-Zone Discipline
Best Bat Control
Fastest Baserunner
Best Baserunner
Best Athlete
Best Fastball
Best Curveball
Best Slider
Best Changeup
Best Control
(should I have separate category for Best *Command*?)
Best Life
Best Defensive Catcher
Best Defensive 1B
Best Defensive 2B
Best Defensive SS
Best Defensive 3B
Best Infield Arm
Best Defensive Outfielder
Best Outfield Arm
Most Exciting Player
Best Manager Prospect
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I'm not sure control matters without command
unless you’re trying to figure out a way to say best BB/9. If that is the case, then I do think you should have both. If not, then I would prefer to see only Best Command.
Would you consider having Best Range for infield and outfield? Or would that be covered in one of the categories you already have?
Can’t wait for the book.
That's why they call them business sox
by egriffey on Nov 13, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Most likely to...
…do a season-long diary for the Newberg Report.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Nov 13, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Spike Lundberg, John Hudgins, C.J. Wilson, Jason Andrew, Michael Schlact, Ryan Tatusko.
With one exception, they do sort of fit a similar profile.
by Jamey Newberg on Nov 13, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I nominate
Beau Jones to do the diary for 2010.
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Nov 13, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I nominate
Beau Vaughan
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Nov 13, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be so ridiculously awesome
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 13, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is such greatness
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Nov 13, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost certainly won't be in the Rangers' system next year
minor league free agent.
by JasonCole on Nov 13, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's start a collection to get him resigned then
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Nov 13, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tomas Telis
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 13, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whenever Jason Cole convinces a player to do a diary ...
they immediately get traded to the Royals.
by shroomer on Nov 13, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've got a player lined up for the 2010 season
I’ve warned him of what happened to the previous two [Tim Smith and Chris Dennis], and he still seems eager.
by JasonCole on Nov 13, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better not be
Matrin Perez. :)
|Space for Rent|
by RangerMad on Nov 14, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a candidate in mind, Fin.
by Jamey Newberg on Nov 13, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you do
I couldn’t have thrown you a bigger softball. Thanks for living up to the hype.
by Finnerty.Fan on Nov 13, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll lend you some hype, if you'd like. I don't deserve mine.
by Jamey Newberg on Nov 13, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Out-damn-standing exchange
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 13, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Nov 13, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss you
"Support the Dutch Oven"
by RangerFloppy on Nov 13, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could you go ahead and post an analysis of Scheppers on Crops?
I’d love to hear your thoughts.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 13, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know
he’s not the first to criticize jamey but I don’t see how he criticizes jamey when the last thing he posted was from august…and it sucked as usual.
say something smart. I’ll give you a dollar (2 if it isn’t some lame attempt at a comeback)
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and really
i don’t understand why he criticizes jamey either. MJH had the interesting but controversial predictions on prospects. Jamey just gives us the positives on everybody and generally only aggregates stats and scouting reports while giving us personal bios that he’s able to obtain with his access.
just a bizarre little man that fin is.
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't understand the nature of criticism
Weak argument. Try again.
by Finnerty.Fan on Nov 13, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the nature of criticism in general?
yeah, that sounds about right because I actually don’t criticize anybody ever.
I don’t understand the nature of your criticism. Explain it to me. And try not to be act like a pariah while doing it (you know – no need to cite family emergencies). nobody likes a sad face.
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll make a deal with you
I’ll explain my critique of Newberg if you can tell me what it was like to play “Corky” on the show Life Goes On. Deal?
by Finnerty.Fan on Nov 13, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha
damn that’s funny. I’m a mentally challenged person from an early 90’s tv show.
wait. it’s not really that clever. Me calling you a dumbass is probably just as clever. my pariah comment was more clever (if not just apt).
so how about i just say, “deal” and you try to say something else clever
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No need
And you are right, that was damn funny.
by Finnerty.Fan on Nov 13, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You've clearly been outwitted, ab03.
You said that his comment was “not really that clever,” to which he replied that it was “damn funny.”
Checkmate. That’s what you get for testing the awesome power of Finnerty’s mind.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
by ghtd36 on Nov 13, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
you do win. but please, do explain your problem with jamey. i seriously can’t remember what it is and i’m sure the new people are dying to know what it is you don’t like about him.
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never had a problem with Newberg
I read his blog and I get his emails. It was when he started running his mouth about Crops that pissed me off. I get it, people didn’t like the site and I know why. It just wasn’t that good. It could and should have much better.
That said, Newberg made the decision to poke at me and I decided to poke back. I know where I stand in this community and that is fine. However, I don’t have a problem calling out people who like to talk shit. I’m not a punching bag just because you don’t like my site or my opinions.
by Finnerty.Fan on Nov 13, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben's revelation (on the best first baseman thread) that Fin is a bit makes this all the more entertaining
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 13, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bits are FUN.
/Norm
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
by ghtd36 on Nov 13, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it is a bit as in
jamey is using his email to do it? or ben or adam?
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap, I think the exchange got deleted, because I can't find it in the archives
The suggestion was that it’s not Jamey, but it’s a regular poster who is generally viewed as knowledgeable about prospects.
I vote Scott Lucas. He would be the perfect candidate to pick fights with The Newberg.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 13, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben refused to tell, but you were both prime suggestions
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 13, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOD IT'S ALL OF THEM.
THEY’RE ALL ONE PERSON.
Mother of God.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
by ghtd36 on Nov 13, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm creeped out
but I’m not also MikeE so I don’t know why you’re creeped out
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too.
It was an exchange between Lsj and Ben. I want to believe it’s a bit.
Our community is above DMN line of thinking (with a couple of exceptions)
/puffs chest.
by chrisR on Nov 13, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What he hell...
Are Jason Parks and Jason Cole he same person too?
What the fuck is going on around here?
I demand everyone identify themselves immediately.
I’ll start, my real name is Enormous Johnson.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 13, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If only I had the musical talent
that Parks had.
by JasonCole on Nov 13, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I had his stache
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 14, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could definitely see that
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 13, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Is it me?"
I am honored by your guess, WestTxAg06, but Finn ain’t me. I do wish I’d come up with this, though: “How close is Poveda to the majors? Close. Frisco is only 45 minutes away from Arlington.”
Now THAT’s analysis.
"It's not a good strategy, but it's my strategy." -- Courtney Lucas
by Lucas on Nov 13, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
x
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 13, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His profile
Email is jimmyfinnerty@yahoo.com
by tyd3311 on Nov 13, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bits
I thought Shark was Adam’s nom-de-wank.
by Neftali's arm on Nov 13, 2009 5:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Who is Ben? What did he say?
by Finnerty.Fan on Nov 13, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben
Is a tribal consigliore in the Morris gang. He has a vendetta for Irish wannabees.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Nov 13, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Morris family consigliere is an outstanding description of Ben
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 14, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Player - Manager Prospect
What current player is most likely to be a coach/manager one day? For example I always hear Adam Fox will be a good manager.
Maybe that is what you have in mind for Best Manager Prospect?
I like this edition to the Newberg Report.
by peachygbc_1 on Nov 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about "looks the least like a pro athlete"...
…or “looks the least like a baseball player”.
I have no objection to man walking on the moon.
by Chad Crudup on Nov 13, 2009 2:37 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Best 5 tool player
Best Hitting Prospect (overall)
Best Pitching Prospect (overall)
Best Chance to Overachieve (not really identifying a talent – maybe mental makeup or something)
Best Speed – somewhat covered by a few of them but I really want to know who has the fastest 40 time.
I wonder if you’d be able to name all of these awards. (Best Defensive Catcher – Pudge Rodriguez award).
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Best Interview
Best blogger (are there enough?)
Some stuff that maybe only I want to know
Strongest
Tallest
Skinniest
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best opposite field hitter
Best opposite field power
Best bunter
Best pickoff move
Best at turning a double play
Best fielding pitcher
Best catcher arm
by cstorm15 on Nov 13, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 on the pickoff move.
And the catcher arm.
What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?
by ghtd36 on Nov 13, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Macumba, hands down.
And the catcher arm.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 13, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
best catcher pop times
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 14, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best...
Bunter
Basestealer (not really same as runner)
Leader (might as well evaluate, since it appears to be a key reason to resign players — just kidding, I actually like Byrd).
Jack Daddy
by Jack Daddy on Nov 13, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Best Grullon
That way we know how to compare Juan and Geuris.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 13, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Juan
would be the one with pitchability…
by Goyogringo on Nov 13, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about highest ceiling?
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 13, 2009 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Best thread?
The Newberg-Fin exchange right here.
by FuturePants on Nov 13, 2009 4:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Josey defending himself
in the Will Carroll thread. Nothing can beat that.
by chrisR on Nov 13, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best infield range
Best outfield range (although that may just be the fastest outfielder).
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 13, 2009 4:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Best Face
(reference to Buck’s “good face,” not franchise face)
by ab03 on Nov 13, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Moreland drew 3 BBs
Teagarden – 0/5 with el sombrero del oro
Scheppers – ouch
Gutierriez – yay
Harrison – yay
by shroomer on Nov 13, 2009 4:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
¡Ay, caramba!
¡No me gusta el sombrero de oro!
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Nov 13, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Forever ...
I’ve held me tongue. I’ve always been waiting for that moment when a sustained successful avg in the bigs proves all those Tea-doubters wrong. But, alas, it isn’t looking like my Tea-riumphalism wiill ever come to pass. Just doesn’t look like the dude will ever hit.
sigh – so our hopes lie with Salty to come thru … sigh
by shroomer on Nov 13, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best poster child for a terrible new poster
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 13, 2009 4:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ben
He was trying to make people think finnerty was mjh, which is why I deleted all those posts.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 13, 2009 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't particularly enjoy being lied to by a moderator sir
by oc on Nov 13, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to change your user name...
…to “The Hills.”
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 13, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The question still remains: is Finnerty Fan a sock-puppet?
by oc on Nov 13, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"The anointed"
/Mike E
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 13, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone speak fucking English around here?
by oc on Nov 13, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly not Sammy Sosa
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 13, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bud Dwyer'd
"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel
by jdh90 on Nov 13, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what I got from that at all
For whatever that’s worth. Maybe I missed something new this morning, but last night it seemed to me like Ben was just enjoying watching me guess.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 13, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought it was Ben just entertaining himself by keeping us wondering
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best Scout
Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.
by rooster on Nov 13, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Best Catholic
Best Protestant
Best Muslim
Best Non-BCS religion
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 14, 2009 12:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
A few ideas...
Best ground ball pitcher
Best mix of pitches
Best infield range
Best outfield range
Go Rangers! Go Cowboys! Go FSU!
by tdi1985 on Nov 14, 2009 8:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Latin Wind
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
by WestTxAg06 on Nov 14, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly likely
to get an email from his mother
Jeeez, the players JD picked up in the Tex trade have barely made any kind of meaningful contributions to the Rangers in The Show, but the pro-JD crowd is still running around shouting "I told ya so."
by red3biggs on Nov 14, 2009 6:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all the suggestions
The list of 23 categories is now 33.
by Jamey Newberg on Nov 17, 2009 7:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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