Sunday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 15, 2009 9:32 AM CST
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Another quiet Sunday, early in the offseason.
Jeff Wilson has a story up that says that the Rangers can't afford John Lackey or Milton Bradley or Roy Halladay or anyone else who would be good and expensive, so stop talking about them, and maybe, if the stars align and we're real lucky, the Rangers can find enough change under the team sofa cushion to sign Vlad Guerrero or Marlon Byrd or Jermaine Dye. But don't count on it.
Wilson also has a short Q&A with Josh Hamilton up.
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Anybody else still think 2010 is our year
if we don’t get a new owner in place soon?
Is Jamey still very pleased with the way Tom Hicks spends his money on This Thing? That was quite a diatribe he had last spring.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you've come around to this
way of thinking.
I was all by myself walking point on this very issue after the 2004 season.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
That’s crap.
I’ve been saying Tom Hicks sucks since the ARod trade.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 15, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If so
you were quite the church mouse, ajm.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You of all people?
Really? Why would you even bother?
by bdavison94 on Nov 15, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've hated the man since he SIGNED A-Rod
He just wanted his name to be tagged with the largest sports contract ever signed. That’s all it ever was
by oc on Nov 15, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's all my money go?
I’ve spent a lot of money on Ranger merchandise, tickets and beer. I live in downtown Dallas so I only see a few games a year but when I do go I buy premium seats; even sat in that front row behind home you see on TV.
What the fuck has Hicks done with my money?
by Evil Monkey on Nov 15, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably all the profits from your expenditures
paid for something like 3 innings of a Millwood start, if that much.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 15, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man...
this is depressing. Not that wasting money on albatross contracts is a blast or anything but damn, this sucks. It would be nice if the Rangers could get a couple of pieces here while the window is being cracked open for the first time in a decade.
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 15, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we don't capitalize on this opportunity then come 2013 or so you're looking at JW v2.0
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 15, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we can't afford Boardgame, but we can afford Byrd??
we wouldn’t take MB’s full contract. the cubs have no real bargaining power on this. They are being forced to trade MB. Byrd would be more expensive over more years, block young players, and honestly being on the decline, he won’t be worth whatever he gets.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 15, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
and Lackey won't be good, he'd just be expensive
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 15, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be the best starting pitcher we've seen since Kenny Rogers
by tyd3311 on Nov 15, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lackey is Millwood
Lackey hasn’t pitched 180 innings the last two years. His numbers are on the decline. He’s becoming injury prone. Over the long term he’ll be Millwood v2
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 15, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be Scott Feldman
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 15, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
that article gives very little reason why marlon byrd would come back here – almost implies that the most likely reason would be a home town discount.
by ab03 on Nov 15, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Marlon Byrd back.
He has that fat gene (remember when Josh said he once ballooned to 305 lbs?) and he’s going to be paid for what he did the previous three years instead of what he’s going to give us.
Move on, let’s see if Brandon Boggs can play.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but I don’t see where Boggs fits in without an injury. He’d be the first guy called up.
LF – Hamilton
CF – Borbon
RF – Cruz
OF – Murphy
AAA- Boggs/Golson/Moreland
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 15, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is your DH?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if our manager had any sense
than that would be the obvious case. Cruz has a terrific arm for right field and there’s no need to move him over to left. But in any case, I would be more than happy with the lineup NothinG has up there.
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Nov 15, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*meant as a relpy to ab03
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
by hinduplaya on Nov 15, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't have a viable DH on our team right now
unless you start to consider Smoak/MaxRam for later in the year.
I think that is a hole we need to fill via trade/FA signing (if money is available)
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 15, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Without thinking it all thru
would you deal Cruz for Dunn & Lannan?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who else you gonna include to get that deal done?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 15, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the Ranger side?
Nobody.
I don’t have to trade Cruz. He’s mine for the next four years.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then you aren't getting Dunn
Much less Dunnn AND Lannan
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 15, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Dunn walks after this year.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't wanna deal Cruz
I would however deal prospects to get Dunn here. Cruz has alot of defensive value and Dunn has ZERO, so I don’t think his value is as high as the Nationals may hold it up. He hurts them as much as he helps them since he has to play in the field. Dunn is a DH with 1 year left on his contract.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 15, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz only has defensive value to us if hes going to play the field
The Rangers made it very public when they said they are moving Hamilton from CF to RF permanently. Why won’t they make it known what they plan on doing with Cruz? They only played him out there for two games last year. The rest of the time that Hamilton played RF and Cruz was in the game Cruz was the DH. Thats what I believe they are going to do with Cruz next year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 15, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz isn't going to be the DH
that would be beyond monumentally stupid
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair,
the FO and Wash seem to be a little monumentally stupid when it comes to Cruz.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Nov 15, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The FO doesn't
Some people in the FO and the coaches/manager seem to be down on Cruz, but if the important decision makers in the FO didn’t like him, he’d be gone by now
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 15, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have your opinion and I have mine
The Rangers had plenty of chances last year to play both Cruz and Hamilton in the corners together and only did it twice. Couple that with the managers statements about his view of Cruz’s defense and its not that big a stretch to think only one of them will play the field at a time next year if they are both on the team
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 15, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton in left
is anybody really considering that? I’d be surprised if that is the case
by ab03 on Nov 15, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Hamilton as a full time DH
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Nov 15, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna happen
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 15, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at least not next year
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 15, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I check out
the marketability of Cruz.
IF bowled over with a trade offer, I consider trading him.
You could have an OF with Borbon in CF, Hamilton in RF with Murphy & Boggs splitting time in LF. Maybe Cruz brings you back a DH / or high quality arm (or both).
If not, I keep Cruz.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
alot of people are saying it
Except the Rangers who have said Hamilton is moving to RF and Nelson Cruz only played 2 games in LF last year. Until they start saying or playing both of them in the corners together I have to believe Hamilton will be the RFer and Cruz the DH
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 15, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The alternative is Cruz in LF.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 15, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, if we're going to rely on Brandon Boggs in 2010 then we've got problems.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 15, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a 4th OF?
If you’re going to rely on building from within, you gotta let your kids fail and learn at the major league level.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 15, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then stop bitching about the payroll
building from within means cheap young players.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 15, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think Boggs is any good.
Good defender, meh bat….if he gets 350-400 abs then we’re going to blow next year.
I know we don’t have any cash, which pisses me off bc we’re probably going to have to rely on BB getting 350-400 abs.
But it is what it is, I’m going to start drinking now. Go Cowboys.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 15, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude posted a league average OBP in 283 AB's in the Majors
after a grand total of 18 AB’s above AA.
380 OBP in AAA this year despite both his shoulders creaking like a Victorian-era home in need of floor repair.
Plus he can actually hit the ball sometimes when it’s thrown by a guy who uses his left hand to pitch.
If he gets 350-400 PAs next year (if his shoulders are right, which is the Scheppers-like footnote he’ll have applied to him for two or three more years) then we’ll be Kenny Loggins, man. Don’t nobody worry ’bout us.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Nov 15, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wheter I agree with it or not...
…I’ll always rec a post involving Kenny Loggins.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 15, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's the righty part of a left field platoon...
…then he’s a solid option.
If I had confidence that Hamilton and Davis were going to bounce back in 2010, I’d be more comfortable with moving Cruz and going with a Murphy/Boggs platoon in LF, which was what, last offseason, I wanted to see going into 2010.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 15, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's getting ab's ONLY vs lefties then I'm fine with that.
Murph has an OPS over 830 v. Righties and BB has an OPS over 830 v. Lefties.
I’m real leery about him missing most of 09…..I hope he can shake that rust off and hit the ground running…
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 15, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had about 400 PAs in the minors last year
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 15, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
screw me.
Did he battle the shoulder all year and finally decide to have surgery? Or did he just shred the shoulder towards the end of the year and then shut it down?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 15, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
He separated one kinda early on in the year, then at the end had surgery on the other one that he hurt years ago playing football.
Look at the comments under Jeff Wilson's blog post on dallasnews.com. What a bunch of rocket scientists.- Keith Law
by Keynes on Nov 15, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't really shut it down
He was put on the 60 day d.l. because the Rangers needed a 40 man roster spot.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 15, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mariners re-sign Jack Wilson. 2yrs/10mil
This is old news but haven’t seen it discussed here. Seems like a solid move. The offseason is young, but I’m curious about Zduriencik’s plan to score more runs. The M’s scored 640 runs last year and now have 3 of their 14 position player spots (Griffey, Wilson, Hall) committed to awful hitters.
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by Randy Richardson on Nov 15, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
best defense in baseball
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 15, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and yet
on defense alone he’ll likely be worth that contract.
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by t ball on Nov 15, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The contract is but a piece of the puzzle
Does Wilson, value and all, get them close to a championship?
No. Shortstop has to hit better than that
by oc on Nov 17, 2009 2:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he can certainly
play a part in getting them there. Their defense is very strong all around, and run prevention is more than half the battle in winning. In pythag-win terms, you have to score about 1.15 runs for every run you allow to gain a win. Yes, they need some offense, but SS is certainly a place you can stress run prevention over a bat, especially for a reasonable contract.
They have taken care of an important defensive position with a good value contract. This allows the club to allocate other resources to fill other needs.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 17, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 17, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They've committed to Bill Hall as a starting player?
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 15, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz for Vazquez
sign Vlad.
that is what I would to increase next year’s PPF.
I LOVE THE RANGERS!!!
by dstar442005 on Nov 15, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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