Elvis Andrus finishes 2nd in ROY balloting
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 16, 2009 1:36 PM CST
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So the announcement is out, and Elvis Andrus finished second in the Rookie of the Year balloting, finishing behind Andrew Bailey, who came in first place, and ahead of third place finisher Rick Porcello.
Disappointing that Andrus didn't win, but Bailey is a worthy choice as well, and it is impressive that Andrus finished as high as he did, given that his offensive numbers weren't overwhelming...it is good to know that folks did pay attention to his sterling defense this year.
UPDATE -- The full results.
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No he wasn't
Andrew Bailey wasn’t even the most valuable rookie on his own team.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Concur...
Bailey had a good year, but Anderson was more deserving than he was imo too.
I just can’t see giving the ROY award to a relief pitcher.
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by slc ranger on Nov 16, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kindof like giving MVP to a reliever
doesn’t make much sense, but Bailey got more props for being in high profile situations as a closer. Of course, Andrus played a premiere position at SS as a 20 yr old. oh well
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by NothinG on Nov 16, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
his “high profile” situations were closing for a team that was never in contention too. Like Wyo said, if he pitches the 8th instead of the 9th I’ll bet he doesn’t even get 5th place votes with all the good rookies to choose from this year. The save is very overrated.
Oh well, Bailey had a good year, does no good to sit here and bitch about it.
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by slc ranger on Nov 16, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey
I’m not saying he should have won the award, he is certainly a worthy choice. Forget the saves, 83 innings of 238 OPS+ pitching is very valuable.
by Darrell McKown on Nov 16, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
83 innings is the key stat there...
valuable, yes. Worthy of ROY with many other very good players, no.
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by slc ranger on Nov 16, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck.
I don’t understand how you can award a reliever over someone who started most games. Fuck that. Andrus put in waaaay more time, and I think our team benefited more significantly by his presence than the A’s did by Bailey’s.
by JBP on Nov 16, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's like giving an NFL ROY award
to a field goal kicker, I’m not going to get too upset about it – he was very good at what he did – but, he’s a reliever.
I looked it up last week when the SBN Award came out, hitters had 2 PA’s against Bailey the “second time through the order” all year. Like Kinslerhomer says, he wasn’t even the best rookie pitcher on his team.
by Randy Richardson on Nov 16, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In no way
is this more ridiculous than Jeter winning a Gold Glove. So I’m not even that upset.
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by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 16, 2009 2:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Strangely
Jeter as a GG SS this year is a defensible decision. However, the previous awards, not so much.
But still, I concur with the sentiment.
by Outworlder47 on Nov 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its more defensable
Its still not defensible. He was probably the 4th or so best short stop in his league. That doesn’t sound like the best glove to me.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 16, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too heartbroken about it
But here’s my thing – say Bailey put up the exact same performance but in the 8th inning. Does he even enter ROY debate? No.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 16, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
The overvaluation of the closer continues.
I would’ve been prefectly at peace with the award going to Brett Anderson, or even Jeff Niemann. But Bailey?
by Conjunction on Nov 16, 2009 2:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well
Fiddlesticks.
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by rangerdanger on Nov 16, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bailey
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009…ds.picks/2.html
Tom Verducci: Andrew Bailey, A’s.
I really like what Elvis Andrus did at shortstop for the Rangers, but it’s tough to get past that OPS+ of 82. Bailey of Oakland gets the call for a phenomenal, if overlooked, season. In the DH era, only two pitchers ever posted a lower WHIP when pitching as many innings as Bailey did: Pedro Martinez (2000) and Jeff Zimmerman (1991). And Bailey is only the league’s sixth closer in the DH era to get 25 saves (he had 26) with an ERA 1.84 or better and at least 80 innings pitched — the first to do it in 19 years. Major league hitters batted .167 against him, including .081 with two outs and runners in scoring position.
by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 16, 2009 2:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No one here cares about Verducci - should have used Joe Po.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 16, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Zimmerman?
Either there have been two Jeff Zimmerman’s in MLB or the year is a typo.
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by hillcrest on Nov 16, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
New Rangers Fan?
<a href="http://Jeff Zhttp://www.lonestarball.com/story/2006/1/18/181639/695" >Jeff Zimmerman, the Ranger
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by Oddibee on Nov 16, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but apparently
I am new to posting….
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by Oddibee on Nov 16, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming he's referring to Juan Guzman.
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by cmkelly29 on Nov 16, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i forgot how awesome zimmerman was
and for two seasons
by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also think it is interesting that Zim finished 3rd to Beltran and Garcia
Beltran isn’t that surprising but Garcia vote suggests that Porcello would have won it if those ’99 voters had voted this year – though Garcia had a slightly better ERA+ and a gaudier win total
by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT. Borbon played his first winter ball agme this year
1-4 2B 2SB played CF.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
game*
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did he have a walk also
Or did he steal 3rd and home?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
Just read Jason’s writeup.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
he did say he walked so he must have reached on an error.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn preview is f'ed up
didn’t*
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, more likely, a fielder's choice
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 16, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he had 5 plate appearances
reached three times (double, HBP and fielders choice).
If you want some slack, bring your own rope.
by rangerfaninva on Nov 16, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See? FC. Told ya'
Of course, if I had continued reading the thread before replying above, I could have saved all these keystrokes.
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 16, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Given that
Andrus was 2nd in the AL in errors and hit 267, I am unsurprised that he didn’t win a writers poll.
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by DJCahill on Nov 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He must have scored lower on the grit scale too...
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by cmkelly29 on Nov 16, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Who cares, he'll be coaching next year anyways.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4659441
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by cmkelly29 on Nov 16, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My boy Coghlan got NL Rookie Of The Year
by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
400 AB span to end the season
.344/.400/.493
by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With a millon BABIP
and he sucked a huge dick in the OF.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably but
You can make a good case for Greinke.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His BABIP was 11 points higher than Coghlan
by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
He career BABIP is high as Coghlan’s MiLB BABIP is average
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his*
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
decent recovery
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 16, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a much better hitter right now than he was 2 years ago
by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yawn...
he has no power
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Coghlan will be one of the best 2nd baseman in the league for years to come
While Brett Carroll will fade out of memory
by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with that
Might want to look at the other 2B that are going to be around for awhile
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is a good laugh
btw.. has Uggla been traded or gotten moved off of 2B?
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by NothinG on Nov 16, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what kind of package do you think he fetches?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Nov 16, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McCutchen should have won NL ROY
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 16, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is
As I sit down and look at the numbers, it’s pretty close although I still take McCutchen. Coghlan’s OBP was greatly inflated by his BA. McCutchen has more power, speed and more walks in fewer games.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 16, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just a Coghlan homer
He did big things for my fantasy team.
by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
Chase made me an offer I couldn’t refuse.
by brettgardner on Nov 16, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit
might veto it
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Nov 16, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Before you do
At least keep in mind that Jax is coming to town, and Wallace’s production will likely suffer; additionally, he’s got the injury bug badly.
That’s my case, anyway.
by brettgardner on Nov 16, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright then
Wallace and Kaman cancel each other out, that leaves Arenas for Dahntay Jones…..Come on
I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar
by sprite on Nov 16, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He sure as hell had alot more power projection in his body than Coghlan does.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great setup
and wait for him to walk into it
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
by WyoRanger on Nov 16, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
High BABIP
are nothing but win when it comes to awards.
Awards are given for the best results. If luck helped your results, it also helps your chances to win an award.
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by DJCahill on Nov 16, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
crappity crap crap on a crap cracker
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by WhipSmart on Nov 16, 2009 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Elvis got screwed over by an ignorant collection of voters
by BuckyB on Nov 16, 2009 5:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brett Anderson got screwed far worse.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
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by lonestarJon on Nov 16, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least it wasn't Porcello.
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by lonestarJon on Nov 16, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing, but it is just an award. Id rather the rangers have elvis or the next 5 years and no hardware than have bailey and his ROY.
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Nov 16, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way
The less hardware he acquires, the cheaper he’ll be during arbitration years.
I’ve always been a glass half full kind of guy when it comes to the Rangers
/sarcasm
"What ... 92 miles per hour?" Feldman scoffed. "That's not gas. Feliz throws gas."
by NorCalRangersFan on Nov 16, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Though I don't necessarily agree with the pick
I’m pleased to see Elvis finished second. I personally would of have Elvis first (biased, blah blah) then Anderson then Bailey.
Congrats to Bailey nonetheless.
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How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
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by jdh90 on Nov 16, 2009 7:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ROY
Surprisingly, “Skigurl” and “Baseballgirl” love this result.
by Black Francis on Nov 16, 2009 7:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OT:
Am I the last one to find out that Roddy Beaubois is black?
by Randy Richardson on Nov 16, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yup
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 16, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think i ever thought he was white
roddy beaubois? I guess there was rowdy roddy piper but there have been lots of roddy’s since him that are all black
by ab03 on Nov 17, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
To be fair, I don’t think I heard “Roddy” until the press conference.
by brettgardner on Nov 17, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
whats crazy to me
is how many ballots all of these guys were left off. looks like across both league, the only one to make it on all 32 ballots is ja happ.
by Fireal20 on Nov 16, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OT
Why do I get the feeling that there will be a lot of unqualified women as second bananas on the announcing teams of ESPNs 24 Hour College Hoops Orgy?
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by Josey Wales on Nov 16, 2009 11:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Christina Karl
Voted for Elvis.
Of course, she didn’t even consider Brett Anderson, so her judgement is somewhat flawed, but… yay!
by Conjunction on Nov 17, 2009 8:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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