OT: Mavs vs. Bucks

by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 9:43 PM CST Comment 89 comments

!!!!

I shouldn't be this excited for the Mavs beating such a crappy Bucks team but that whole game was such a clusterf starting with the third quarter.

And while Drew Gooden has done much to improve his stock with me, Barea is on notice. Beaubois can't grow up fast enough.

But Dirk really is the man. This is the best I think I've seen him. When he's on, he's on.

Oh, and Brandon Jennings will be amazing but you knew that today you could get him to make some rookie mistakes. He seemed to take missing that shot a little hard.

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Mavs beating such a crappy Bucks team

Don’t agree with this, the Bucks are a decent team. Jennings is going to be good player.

But yeah as I said in the other thread, more Roddy and less JJ.

Dirk is the man as always.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Nov 16, 2009 9:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I think the Bucks are pretty decent. Definitely not coming out of the East, but not a bottom-feeder either…. Jennings is fun to watch, he might just be my new non-mavs favorite player. It was great to see Roddy shut him down though

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott

by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Nov 16, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the Bucks aren't a bottom tier team

but they are clearly inferior to the Mavs. The mavs should have put this game away by 20. I want to blame it completely on barea but I think that is a little unfair.

But the bucks are totally mediocre. No true center, very little low post scoring. They actually got lucky hitting all those threes. If they had hit a normal percentage, this game wouldn’t have been close

by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think if Bogut stays healthy

he’s going to get himself to a low-post threat. He’s started well.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Nov 16, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep...

Bogut is legit. I think he can be a 20/10 or 19/9 type guy in this league.

He may not be a dominant center and needs to work on his post game still, but he can do a lot facing the basket that most NBA centers can’t do.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 16, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

WIthout

Dampier, Marion (in the second half), and Howard, and also playing on a back end of a back to back, I doubt the Mavs are really that much superior then the Bucks.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I mean

they were up by 18 in the third. And the Bucks did shoot a ridiculous percentage from 3 point land. Seriously, I think if Carlisle plays Beaubois instead of Barea, this game ends in regulation by 10-14.

by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with that completely.

"Stats are like a woman in a fine little bikini. You can see a lot, but you can't see everything." -Dirk A. Tron

by coolaid on Nov 16, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

man

i didn’t realize there was another thread.

by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't realize

everyone feels the same about Barea. That makes me feel better. For all of the talk about Carlisle stealing games for Dallas last year (and appropriately so), his insistence on playing Barea with Kidd and Terry almost cost them the game. Losing Marion obviously left him few options, and it has to be a little scary to put Beaubois out there in key situations, but he has consistently outplayed Barea by a ton lately. And the matchup with Jennings made it especially glaring.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 16, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure how the matchups would have worked

but I would have rather had a bigger lineup in there. Humphries looked like he was playing well when he was in. take your chances with our bigger guards covering their guys.

But I’m hoping Carlisle sent a message to Barea or is starting to think that Beaubois is passing Barea on the depth chart. Playing a rookie all of OT speaks volumes.

by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For some reason playing in Wisconsin is not kind to Dallas teams

The Cowboys have only won once there and I heard Followill say on The Ticket the other day the Mavs have their worst win percentage of any road place there.

How did the Rangers do against the Brewers when we used to play them?

Oh and what a shot by Dirk at the end. Didn’t see the rest of the game but the OT Dirk was the man

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 16, 2009 9:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I just remember last season

that terrible blowout the Mavs copped, where the Bucks shot like 70% in the second and third quarters, ended up with about 130.

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Nov 16, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I watched the bucks broadcast for that

it was so annoying. they talked as if charlie villenueva was a god.

by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My theory on the Mavs lack of success there

is that they play alot of games as the 2nd night of a back to back. I’m too lazy to actually verify this so I’m just gonna throw it out there.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 16, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dirk

Will be known as one of the greatest athletes to ever play in this area. That’s really saying something.

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by Conjunction on Nov 16, 2009 9:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Awesome by Dirk yet again

I am so beaten down by Jose Barea right now. Thank goodness that Beaubois was a viable option for OT.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 16, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

But Beaubois is still a rookie

taking a reverse layup on the fast break to start OT was not advisable. Of course, I’d rather live with that then Barea, who just looks painfully short and slow. Did he actually get slower?

by ab03 on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He looks slower to me. Of course he just looks pretty terrible period to me, so I’m a little biased.

by Brett Perryman on Nov 16, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

JJB

has played just awful so far. If it continues I can’t see how Carlisle can continue to throw him out there in key situations.

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 16, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The 2009 PG class looks ridiculously good thus far

Nothing great, per say, but just quality across the board.

Tyreke Evans
Ricky Rubio
Jonny Flynn
Stephen Curry
Brandon Jennings
Jrue Holiday
Ty Lawson
Jeff Teague
Eric Maynor
Darren Collison
Rodrigue Beaubois

by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 10:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Battier?

by brettgardner on Nov 16, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

3's and FT%

I was just looking to dump Stuckey for something useful, only good for pts.

by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good A/T, as well, unlikely Stuckey

by tyd3311 on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This draft projecting out really well.

The way things are going, does it produce the number of “superstar players” you normally expect a draft to see?

Remember to retire Fin's number, Mark.

by jonthefon on Nov 17, 2009 4:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dirk is nails.

What do tigers dream of when they take a little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?

by ghtd36 on Nov 16, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Becoming

a big Humphries fan. Not a guy who will ever be an All-Star, but a guy you need to be successful. I love his offensive rebounding ability

"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 17, 2009 11:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm torn

So far, he’s been a beast on the boards—even to the point of knocking the shit out of other Mavs to get the ball—but his lapses into Stackhouse syndrome are troubling.

Overall, though, I think I agree that he’s been a very nice addition for a throw-in.

by brettgardner on Nov 17, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, nothing eats at me more than a player who doesnt play within himself

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Monta

Doesn’t think much of Golden State’s D, and apparently has never heard of Raja Bell.

by brettgardner on Nov 17, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was just putting together some Monta Ellis trade scenarios

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

To Dallas for Howard, I would love

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

To Minnesota for Brian Cardinal, Ryan Gomes, and the rights to Rubio

Can they trade Rubio’s rights, right now?

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but

That’s a lot to give up for cap space. I admit, though, that they have to do something, because they have a couple guys with just massive commitments.

by brettgardner on Nov 17, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm really curious to hear what teams are interested

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A couple of ideas

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh5nn9u

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykys34j

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjtuq3w

Varying degrees of likelihood there, I know. But I’m curious, too.

by brettgardner on Nov 17, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Those links are just taking me to the start screen for Trade Machine

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

Well, they were:

1. GS: Dunleavy and Rush
Indy: Ellis

2. GS: Harpring and Miles
Utah: Maggette

3. GS: Diaw and Ajinca
Charlotte: Ellis

It’s weird. There aren’t a whole lot of teams that would fit well with Monta.

by brettgardner on Nov 17, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunleavy, Rush

I also came up with that one. If Dunleavy could come back and play a little bit, and put up some decent numbers, it makes sense.

by tyd3311 on Nov 18, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No kidding;

I just spent 30 minutes with the trade machine and couldn’t find a single team I thought would be interested in Ellis except the Pacers and Bobcats. Maybe 76ers or the Magic (both of those are a pretty big stretch though)?

There is a remarkable crop of established or promising scoring point guards.

"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs

by BAC on Nov 18, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

On Dec. 15th

Toronto needs stronger back-court play. Hedo was never a good fit there. I’d trade him and Derozan for Monta. Pretend Hedo didn’t just sign there, it makes so much sense.

by tyd3311 on Nov 18, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hilarious.

And now, who we got now that’s going to play defense? We got me. And who else?"

Raja Bell is a good defender

"I don’t know too much about dude. I mean (pause) it’s crazy, man."

But you’re not happy?

Yeah. I just said I’m happy that he’s happy. (Laughs)

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by Chase Irwin on Nov 17, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

To Chicago for Deng

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is Golden State under Nellie ...

the same circus the Mavs woulda become under Nellie
had Cuban not come along and bought the team?

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by shroomer on Nov 17, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I have a hard time

imagining a team more dysfunctional than the Warriors right now. They are just screwed up in about every way. It would be horrible to be a GS fan.

"You'll meet them again on their long journey to the middle." -Lester Bangs

by BAC on Nov 18, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If we fire Wade, I want Jauron as our next D coordinator

Because the Bills just fired him. I would like to add him, either way.

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Great secondary coach

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, Lebron. Wow, great block on a fast break against Ellis

by tyd3311 on Nov 17, 2009 6:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Dirk

Is playing out of his mind right now.

by brettgardner on Nov 18, 2009 11:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Like an MVP

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So was Ian Kinsler

at a similar point in the baseball season.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Nov 19, 2009 8:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't see the difference?

Dirk has a few more skins on the wall, a precedence for having MVP caliber seasons

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just saying

its a little too early for MVP talk. MVP talk before the All Star game is just silly.

by DJCahill on Nov 19, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not really, not in the NBA

Because it’s most likely going to come down to 5-8 players.

Nash, Paul, Wade, Lebron, Dirk, and Kobe

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bosh is making a strong case this year.

And if the Rockets make the playoffs, I wouldn’t rule it out.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rockets?

Lol.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dirk was amazing last night

and Drew Gooden keeps doing good things (17-11).

Count me in as interested in Tim Thomas (who looked active) but the thing that keeps worrying me about the Mavs is their age and sure enough after making that strong move to the hoop and missing a dunk, Thomas was limping around the court.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Meh

Tim Thomas isn’t an injury machine, and he’s realistically the 11th man, so anything he contributes is gravy.

Gooden is impressing the shit out of me these last 3 games. He’s playing monster defense, and generally letting the offense come to him instead of forcing up dumb shots. He might pull a Diop on Dampier when he comes back.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If Gooden can stay within himself, he can be good

We’ll see how he handles success

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There has to be a reason somebody

like him has moved around this much so it’d be wise to keep our guard up but he’s done much more than I thought capable.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"

by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's never been a question of capabilities

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bosh and Melo', as well.

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can probably rule out Paul with his injury and suckiness of his team

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

x

I’m trying to gauge the value of Bargnani. It’s harder than I thought.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd hang on to him

I would have clicked accept in a heartbeat for Jennings, if not for my point guard injury situation

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably right

I have my eye on Oden.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oden is an extremely valuable asset to my team

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

No doubt about it. He good.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Just saw your deal

Why did you cancel it? I would do that trade.

I think Luke French has a lot of potential. TORP potential.-Dstar

by sprite on Nov 19, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait

Which?

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh.

Yeah, I might need Kidd.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Injuries are killing me

Bogut is out 2-4 weeks

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yikes.

If all goes right, there should be a big man out on the wire tomorrow.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Guess I'm not getting Troy

by tyd3311 on Nov 19, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Although

It’s still something I’m considering.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As I said, this percentage of time

in the MLB season, Kinsler was a 1000+ OPS wrecking machine playing great defense.

Any of the above can get foot, ankle, knee injuries, etc. Just very very silly to talk MVP about a player with an early hot streak.

by DJCahill on Nov 19, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's silly to make a campaign

But these guys we’re talking about aren’t exactly flashes in the pan.

by brettgardner on Nov 19, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dirk seems like a different player this year...

and I know Barea pulled a +14 last night (thanks to Dirk) and didn’t have just an awful game, but I don’t exactly like seeing JJB get 31 minutes to Beaubois’s 17, especially considering how Roddy looked at the beginning of the game

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott

by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Nov 19, 2009 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

As great as Dirks been it pisses me off watching him every night this season

because it makes me wonder how good he could have been the past 6 or 7 years if he had taken the summers off instead of playing year round for Germany. he seems to have a spring in his step this year that he hasn’t had in a long long time. Usually early in the season he seems slow and plods along but this year hes come out on fire. It can’t be just because that whole tranny pregnant chick thing is behind him

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 19, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs