Mike Scioscia wins A.L. Manager of the Year Award
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 18, 2009 1:50 PM CST
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PrintMike Scioscia has been named the A.L. Manager of the Year, finishing with 15 of 28 first place votes.
Ron Gardenhire and Joe Girardi were second and third, respectively, and Don Wakamatsu and Ron Washington tied for fourth place, with Jim Leyland being the only other manager named (getting two third place votes).
Washington and Wakamatsu finishing that far back is a surprise, as the two of them headed up teams that were viewed as the big "surprise" teams for 2009, and the manager of the year award generally seems to be given to the manager of the team that exceeds expectations the most. Girardi, Scioscia and Gardenhire all made the playoffs with teams that were seen as playoff-caliber teams prior ot the season.
Of course, maybe we should be happy that Washington didn't win. The last time the Ranger manager won the manager of the year award, the team had a disappointing follow up season that resulted in the g.m. being fired, and then another bad season that resulted in the manager being fired, and then a disastrous season after that.
So maybe it is better the Ranger manager didn't win it this year.
Jim Tracy won the N.L. Award.
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weird that Scoscia won. He was the best manager because he took the best team in the division and made the playoffs…What a feat. Girardi is even worse. With that roster and payroll, he should get no recognition for winning the A.L. East.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 18, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions
Are any of us surprised
That a Ranger or anyone remotely associated to the Texas Rangers failed to be recognized?
Andrus….. Wash…..
The Angels were picked to win the division…. and met expectations. Why wouldn’t a manager with an over-sized salary team not win an award meant for a manager that took a team and exceeded expectations. Scioscia was a shoe in….. Jobbed again by Baseball Writers of America.
Been on the bandwagon for 35 years... when do we get our parade?
by GMCM in Memphis on Nov 18, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
I think Scoscia makes sense
All we heard before this season was how pathetic the AL West was, and how the winner would likely have less than 90 wins. It wasn’t as if the Angels were loaded and an obvious 97 win team; they had substantial weaknesses and obviously played far above their heads all season (as well as horrendous injuries in the pitching staff to start the season). Supposing that manager of the year means the manager who gets the most out of a limited amount of talent, then Scoscia is the guy.
Add in the Adenhart story, an event which I’d argue actually demands good managerial leadership to get through, and you have what I see as the obvious Manager of the Year. It’s a stupid award that I generally don’t care about, but they got this one right (though any votes for Joe Girardi were stupid, that is obviously indefensible).
Go Rice Owls!
Point taken
I don’t have an alternate candidate really. I will stick with my 2nd point that a trained chimp could have gotten the Yankees to the playoffs
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 18, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
I'll agree with that
the Yankees chances largely hinged on things like injuries and the luck/skill of Boston and Tampa, not managing moves.
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This is about the most irrelevant award
Giarardi’s team dropped 1/2 billion on new contracts last offseason. Angels can pay $11-$12 MM/year on a 4th outfielder.
I completely forgot that Scoscia is signed through 2018!! I’m 36 and think it’s even money I’ll be dead by then.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
This is an injustice.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Nov 18, 2009 2:24 PM CST reply actions
Coaching A High Payroll Team Means...
You probably win Coach of the Year!
Tired of hearing about it already, but, 2009 was a lop-sided year.
that is unless the team underperforms
and misses the playoffs. Then you get fired. The Astros had a 100+million in payroll and sucked ass. That gets your manager fired.
I wonder what Clint Hurdle thinks about this?
Guy that replaces him 1) gets manager of the year (deservedly); and 2) gets a new, three year contract today.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Wakamatsu was robbed today.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Why?
Because whatever logic you spew out will apply equally to Wash.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Wakamatsu took over a team that lost 101 games.
Ron Washington’s team went from 79 to 87 wins.
I would imagine that there haven’t been 10 teams in the last 75 years that have finished above .500 the year after losing 100+ games.
Billy Martin did it a couple of times with Texas & Oakland and Wakamatsu this year but I don’t know of anybody else.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Wakamatsu also took over a team
that got rid of Richie Sexson and Jose Vidro. Felix’s ERA dropped 1, Washburn’s 2 and the team ERA dropped almost 1 run.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
There were more changes to the M's between 08 and 09 than there were to the Rangers.
Particularly defensively. The M’s got a whole lot better defensively. The Rays got better defensively and went to the World Series in 2008 (with the same manager as in 2007). the M’s got better defensively and although they didn’t go to the playoffs, they improved their record a lot (with a manager change).
I dunno if he deserved to win, but...
he definitely deserved better than a tie for fourth place. Although I don’t buy into a lot of the team chemistry stuff, I think he probably did a lot of good work in fixing what was supposedly a very toxic clubhouse at the end of last year. Griffey’s return helped, to be sure, but he also had to handle appropriately using an aging star in such a way as to not irritate the team, the fanbase, the intelligent fanbase, and the player.
So, yeah. I think JB’s points about Scioscia are perfectly valid, though.
Gardenhire
his teams are always great defensively, they do all the little things on offense, and they don’t really have an ace, and they’re always in contention.
Wash didn’t deserve this award. He was sporadic in his handling of the pen, he wrote the most head-scratching lineups in mlb, and fell in love with Andrew Jones. And his team fell apart at the end of the season. I’m not even sure he’s middle of the pack.
That's why they call them business sox
LMFAO
they do all the little things
See any of the playoffs???? LOL
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 18, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Well, sometimes
they do the little things right, and sometimes they do them wrong, but they’re always doing them.
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Not nearly as much now with
Mauer, Morneau, Kubel, Cuddyer, Hardy and Young aren’t exactly “little things” guys.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 18, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, sure, next you're going to tell me
the Rangers don’t have bats up the wazoo, play terrible defense, and aren’t starved for pitching prospects.
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They sure did
against the Rangers this year. Glad you LYFAO, there was a lot of two-out hitting, moving runners, stealing bases, scoring runners on third with less than two outs, and turning double plays in the games in Texas.
That's why they call them business sox
I dunno
I always thought Johan Santana was pretty good. You could even call him an “ace.”
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
I'm well aware of that
they don’t really have an ace, and they’re always in contention.
So are you talking about this year or when they’re “always” in contention under Gardenhire? You also mention at the beginning that “his teams are always great defensively”. Again, “always.”
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
I'm too lazy to quantify or research anything
but I’ll stubbornly stand by what I said, regardless of how inprecisely or thoughtlessly I worded it.
But seriously…the Twins are a good team, but there not in a very good market, and don’t have a very high payroll. They seemed to me — the past couple of seasons — to be a fundamentally sound team with a lot of players who have a good approach. There are of course exceptions, and they do have now, and have had in the past players who make a lot of money and players who do not have a great offensive approach. But under Gardenhire, they have put together more teams that contend for a playoff spot than not; and they do it with a relatively small payroll.
There.
That's why they call them business sox
I wouldn't have minded seeing Don Wak win
But Scoscia deserves it as much as anyone. And it’s a joke of an award anyway.
I’m just glad we won’t have to listen to the “Ron Wash is the bestest manager evar because he won manager of the year!!” bullshit that would’ve come with him winning.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
Based on the "Hey your team wasn't nearly as bad as we thought it would be!" principle
That is the basis behind this BS, maybe.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
No Jon...
I’m screwing with you.
I just wanted to see if your head would explode after reading that.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Meh
It’s a lame, mostly subjective award that provides no criteria or evaluation beyond basic W/L records.
The thing that gets me is that people have actually given it significance.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
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