Thursday morning Rangers things
by Brett Perryman on Nov 19, 2009 9:06 AM CST
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The big Rangers story this morning is still Tom Hicks attempting to hang onto the Rangers by constructing a new local ownership group. His favorite buzz word here appears to be "local." Evan Grant lays out Hicks' thought process, and one of Hicks' comments here is that he has been working on this for a while:
"I have initiated my own process," Hicks said Wednesday. "I want to have other local prominent families involved in a group that would own the team and sizable commitments have been made. This would allow us to have continuity on the plan that we started five years ago. This process has never been about wanting to sell the Rangers. It has been about finding a way to monetize our assets to retire most, if not all, of the debt."
Richard Durrett considers the question of why Hicks is going through the process of collecting bids if he intends to keep the club after all. I have to think that he'd be doing it for the benefit of MLB owners.
Gil Lebreton discusses that angle as well and suspects that other owners aren't going to see Hicks as a great candidate moving foward.
T.R. Sullivan discusses the start of free agency tonight and looks at what the Rangers might do if they lose Marlon Byrd, as well as their approach on the pitching front.
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Mike Cameron
Would he cost a first-rounder? Is it up in the air whether he gets arbed?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
Yeah
It doesn’t matter if he’s a Type A or B, the Brewers are not gonna offer him arb after trading for Carlos Gomez.
However if you sign him before the deadline to offer they get the draft pick no matter what
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
So
Is he Type A or B?
"[Font} doesn't turn 19 until the end of May and his heater can already hit 99 on the gun. That's baseball porn." - Jason Parks
by hightowersmith on Nov 19, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know
Unless another team is after him hard I would wait until after the deadline so the Brewers don’t get an extra pick. It may not seem like much but that one pick could mean the difference between a guy like Scheppers or whoever it was picked after him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Im not concerned about it no
Just if theres no reason to sign him right away go ahead and wait.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
The only risk you take in signing early
is over estimating the market.
What do voluntary mean?
And thats a pretty big risk also
Look at last year. Had we known the market was going to tank the way it did we probably don’t pick up Blalocks option and we could go after Abreau possibly.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Scheppers isn't exactly your traditional supplemental pick
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No I know
My point is why give away draft picks (I know we wouldn’t physically be giving away but adding one into the draft) when theres no need doesn’t make sense.
if there are two or three teams after Cameron and you want him bad and do what it takes to get him signed then fine but if nobody is really after him just wait.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
This could only happen with the Ding Dong Rangers (kudos
to Danny Balis for that description).
Imagine if LA Clipper fans could get rid of Donald Sterling….this is the MLB equivalent and one of the most important windows of time in the history and future of the organization
This Thing is not going anywhere until that lying, incompetent, arrogant sack of shit is no longer the owner. Once in a while you may see a year like 2004 or 2009 but we’re not going anywhere significant until we get an owner that prioritizes winning.
Predictably, Jamey (one of the more influential baseball voices in the area) wants Tom Hicks to retain ownership citing the potential involvement of Roger Staubach with the new group Hicks is putting together.
Jamey, you are obviously a smart person on a variety of subjects but how can you be that fucking naive!?!??
Please stop carrying the water for this prick. No perks or inside access the team gives you can be worth that.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
He did not say he wanted Hicks specifically
“I’m not about to suggest I know anything about the various candidates reported to have interest in the sale of the Rangers, or what kind of owners they would make, but I’d be lying if I said the idea of Staubach being involved, even in a minority role, didn’t excite me a bit.”
He simply said having Staubach piques his interest, as Staubach is a local icon and a proven winner
He says that having Staubach involved in the Hicks ownership
group “excites” him which is much more than having interest piqued.
I’m a little shocked Staubach would allow himself to be used like this. I absolutely hated the Dallas Cowboys when he was the QB (and still don’t like the team to this day) but I have complete respect for him as a player, businessman, family man and all around good dude.
Staubach is a genuine hero that kids should emulate which is exactly why I can’t understand how he would get involved with a lying sack of shit who doesn’t care about winning.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
DIAF Josey Wales
The fact that you are also a Cowboys hater cements my intense dislike for you.
You should go off and join your true fan-base: the Fans of the New York Yankees.
I grew up in So Cal and
was a fan of both the Rams & Raiders growing up. The rest of the country mostly hates the Cowboys and I never got over what the Cowboys did to the Rams in the 70s.
I am a big fan of the Stars, Rangers & Mavericks (but also like the Lakers & Dodgers).
Can you imagine my personal hell? Four of my favorite sports teams are owned by Tom Hicks, Al Davis and the dumpster fire known as the McCourts.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
None of us can possibly fathom your personal hell, Josey.
by JDT217 on Nov 19, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Thank God...
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
But hey, at least you've got one owner who posed in Playboy
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Who cares?
It shouldn’t matter if Tom Landry rose from the grave to financially back Hicks. Hicks has proven he shouldn’t be the majority owner.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
I am confused how Hicks could bid on his own team.
And very very troubled that it all seems to basically be a scheme to get Staubach, Ryan, and whomever else to pay for his Liverpool leveraging. I clearly don’t understand what’s going on – either that, or the investors are crazy.
What it sounds like to me
And please correct me if im wrong, but it sounds like Hicks is trying to use his personal money, along with other “investors”, to buy the team from his own corporation (Hicks Sports Group)
Is that in the ballpark of whats going on?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah that could be right.
Maybe he’s adding the investors for credibility and not just cash? We all know he has been trying to sell 49% or less of the team for a year or so… Still seems like he is suckering someone into handing over money and not being able to make any decisions to me.
That's my impression.
How much fun do you think it would be to have the number 5 media market rocking a $ 40 million payroll while the team languishes in the 74-84 win range every year?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
From what ive heard
Hicks personally is fine cash-wise. Its Hicks Sports Group that is so broke.
I don’t think if he and his investors were using own personal funds our payroll would be that low. The Rangers have been a somewhat profitable franchise so they should be able to set decent budgets. I don’t know if we are talking 100 million dollar level just yet but again, with this team structure the way it is we are a few years away from needing a 100 million dollar payroll to be competitive
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
"The Rangers have been a somewhat profitable franchise..."
This is off the top of my head but I think the numbers are correct (I have complete faith one of my Elephant Boys will correct me if wrong) but in 1999, the Texas Rangers had an $ 81 million payroll, their total expenses were $ 126 million (wanna say they lost $ 9 million).
For several years now, the Rangers payroll has been $ 65-70 million yet their revenue has been in the $ 165-170 million range.
Where’s that extra $ 100 million been going?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
It may be right, but where are you getting these figures?
by FuturePants on Nov 19, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
The internet is a wonderful thing, Gossip Queen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
So give us a link.
Otherwise we all think you are just making shit up.
by FuturePants on Nov 19, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
I don't really give a
shat what the Gossip Queen thinks.
GOYA and make a name for yourself in LSB by definitively proving me wrong.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
I don't want to go to the trouble of looking
it up because I’m comfortable with what I’ve written (I’ve had the payroll argument more than once).
Think I’m lying? Prove it.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Everyone else here
is comfortable with what they’ve written, so I guess you’ll have to accept that.
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Ok,
so you don’t have to back up your posts with facts, but anyone who questions you needs to do so. Got it.
You know, no one doubts Hicks is an ass and everyone would be happy if he went away, but he’s not some 2-dimensional bad guy with a mustache and black cape cackling evilly about how he’s bilking honest people out of their baby’s shoe money.
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They why is it
“off the top of your head?” and not accurately pulled from a reliable source on the internet?
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Because payroll arguments have been a constant
since the 2004 season ended and all that “financial flexibility” went to Richard Hidalgo & Pedro Astacio.
Go look it up yourself.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Yet you still have no links for figures.
Huh.
by FuturePants on Nov 19, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
According to Forbes in April of '09
Rangers revenue was 176 million
Operating Expenses: 17.4 million
Player expenses: 91 million
Gate receipts: 36 million
Not going to lie and say I understand accounting but that seems like a profit of at least 60 something million dollars.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd bet Tom Hicks is paying himself
and his spare sons a lot more money than he’s giving to Ye Olde Latin American Program or the Pacific Rim Job.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
The $17.4 is operating income, not expenses.
Another way to say that is to call it gross profit, but that doesn’t include taxes, depreciation, etc. In other words, there could be a big difference between gross profit and net profit.
by swampdonkey on Nov 19, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Burn about 35% in taxes
plus a large portion of that interest on a 400M loan
I would not be surprised to see a profit in the 6 to 8 M range if not even less
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Well
if their total expenses in ‘99 were $45M over their payroll, and they’ve been spending liberally on the draft on internationally lately, that “total expenses” part probably takes care of half of that extra $100M.
Does your payroll figure include the additional amounts the Rangers have been paying Arod? I don’t know how accurate your total revenue figure is, but if Hicks was making something like $50M a year in profits, A) buyers would be lining up around the block to buy the team, B) he probably wouldn’t have any trouble refinancing the debt. He isn’t making that kind of money every year for the last decade, obviously, or the current situation probably doesn’t exist.
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Why do you think Hicks is so desperate
to keep the team?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Could be any of several reasons
Pride, he likes owning them, he still thinks they are a good long term investment and wants to be around when they start contending. Why is that hard to imagine?
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"Pride"
LOL!!!
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
You don't think
guys who own sports team buy them at least in part so they can brag about owning one? And you don’t think a man who so publicly has his finances exposed and looked down on would want a way to redeem himself out of pride?
I’m not talking about like civic pride, or some kind of virtue here, idiot.
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I think Mark Cuban and Jerry Jones
have a ton of pride and care deeply about the product they present.
Nobody could ever question their desires to win.
Tom Hicks is right there with the worst owners in professional sport and ceased caring about the product with his name on it a long time ago.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, he's a terrible owner
that doesn’t mean he has no pride or doesn’t want to win. Many horrible decisions have been made out of pride.
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How much pride did Tom Hicks have
when he used all his new found “financial flexibility” to sign Richard Hidalgo & Pedro Astacio to help the 2005 team?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Probably as much as Al Davis
and his revolving door of coaches and fantastic history impact first round picks.
Someone can be both dumb and proud … take a look in the mirror.
by robert_d_wilfong on Nov 19, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks for the tilde
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Nov 19, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Does the revenue figure include TV, luxury tax, merchandising profit sharing, cash for 2nd place, etc.?
by FuturePants on Nov 19, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Sometimes
National TV deals – Yes. However, I read a Zimbalist book not too long ago and he stated that is quite normal to have an owner purchase a local TV station (I believe Hicks bought Channel 27, but it has been several years since I last lived in DFW) and set it up in a separate company. Then the team “sells” broadcast rights to this station at a price well below market value. The books show that the team is taking a loss on the deal, but the owner is still making money. The same can be said of parking.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Nov 19, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Or any other scams that we never hear about, really.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Nov 19, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
And again its not Hicks thats making the money or losing the money
Its Hicks Sports Group which also has expenses we don’t know about
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Just a quick look from Forbes
2009 numbers
2008 numbers
2007 numbers
Im sure you could go back further those are just what immediately popped up. And we don’t know all the expenses a franchise incurs. The spring training complex in Suprise, the expenses for all their minor league teams, scouting, etc.
I believe they are profitable but how much is up in the air
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Here are the 1999 payroll numbers...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/salary/99teams.htm
Whaddya know?
The Texas Ranger payroll in 1999 was $ 80, 801, 598.
Attendance was at 34,000+ but I’m sure that number was totally unrelated to the size of the payroll / sarcasm.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
OMG
You actually backed up your statement. Well, fucking hell, congrats man. I didn’t think you had it in you.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
Oh hey look at 2002 and 2003
2002 attendance: 2.352 mil
2002 payroll: 105.7 mil
2003 attendance: 2.094 mil
2003 payroll: 103.5 mil
They obviously go hand in hand
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
bigsteve,
If you have a bad product (in 2003 the Rangers were in the throes of their 4th straight losing season and were 20 games under .500 in late June) the fans are eventually their back on you no matter what your payroll is.
If you have a low payroll and win, your attendance is going to languish in the Land of Mediocrity.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Oh ok
So if you lose people won’t come but if you win it depends on how big your payroll is as to whether they come or not?
Sorta like if a move is bad its JDs fault but if its a good move it is Nolans work?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I'm only making observations, bigsteve.
I don’t know of a major league team that has top 10 attendance with a lower-middle or small market payroll even if they win.
There have been several teams recently (Houston & Detroit 2008) with upper-range payrolls and losing records who still drew 3 million in attendance.
If those teams continue to have losing records, it only stands to reason that their attendance will fall (that’s happening to Houston right now).
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
You are making "observations" that support your ideology
When faced with evidence of the contrary you scuttlebutt your way into a new ideology.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Let's make it simple.
Teams with high payrolls and win consistently are probably going to have good attendance.
Teams with low payrolls are going to have mediocre attendance no matter what their record is.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Fine
In 2005:
Tigers – 5th highest payroll, 21st in attendance.
Padres: – 29th in payroll, 7th in attendance
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Also, the Rockies led in attendance from 1995 - 2000
Regardless of their payroll or performance.
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
In 2003, the Tigers were getting less than 17,000
per game in attendance.
Now they’re getting nearly 40,000 per and have gone over 3 million in attendance thee years in a row.
Really bad example for you to use, Cowboy.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Winning overrides all things
Win attendance goes up. Lose it goes down. There are exceptions, but for 24 clubs, it is the unmitigated truth.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
Look at Oakland and Minnesota.
Small market payrolls with a nice history of going to the playoffs this past decade but mediocre attendance.
I don’t know of a small market payroll team that’s been in the top 10 in attendance any time recently no matter if they’ve won or lost.
I do know of a small market team with a good payroll that’s almost always in the top 10 and that’s St.Louis.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
OAKLAND ISN"T SMALL
You twit! Oakland shares one of the largest media markets in the country. Oakland attendence sucks for one reason: Al Davis and the monstrosity that was done to the Oakland Alameda Colloseum. Imagine if they had moved the Dodgers from Chavez Ravine to the LA Colleseum. That’s what they did to the Oakland A’s.
I HATE that people point and say, “there’s a small market team” when they mention teams like Oakland, Miami, Anaheim (that one burns the hottest), or Houston. Then talk about Large market teams like St Louis and Cincinnati. READ A CENSUS first!!!!!!!!
grrrrrrrrrrrrr (third rail for me)..
I've told him all this before (about the Coliseum)
What I wrote is the truth, I just didn’t have time to spoon feed the logic to Josey. I thought the line “but for 24 clubs” would have led to Josey realizing there are exceptions. Yankees, Bo Sox & Cubs will always have high payrolls due to multiple factors from storied histories to huge independent TV contracts. There are several teams who will not ever (at least with current ownerships and paradigms) have big payrolls. However, there are about 24 teams where attendance is directly related to the product on the field.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
Well then you prove your fucking point
It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone. You count on it, rely on it to buffer the passage of time, to keep the memory of sunshine and high skies alive, and then just when the days are all twilight, when you need it most, it stops.
Doesn't HSG also own the Stars
And hockey is about as profitable as your average Y2K internet start up. I’m guessing that he’s been using the Rangers Profits to prop up the Stars, and he’s finally just run out of credit to do so.
Some to
the Florida Marlins.
F-them. How dare they prove that teams can win with a super low payroll!
You can definitely win with a small payroll
but your attendance is going to languish in mediocrity.
I think attendance used to be much more connected to winning (see Oakland & Minnesota in the late 80s) but is now more connected to payroll.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
So hilariously wrong
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
Tom Hicks has already shown himself to be a
master of bidding against himself.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 19, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I can see it now...
Reporter: “Mr Hicks, how will your recent acquisition of the team affect the team’s payroll?”
Tom Hicks: “Well, as you know, we had several bids and since I had to pay so much to buy the team from myself, we are not going to be able to increase the payroll but I am confident in our coaches and players that they can produce a winning product despite the monetary constrains placed upon them…I mean, look at what we did last year”
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 19, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I feel slightly retarded
after reading the comments section after TR’s article.
And Gary Sheffield? Really? I don’t want to see that prick anywhere near the Ranger clubhouse. Just to put his age in perspective, he was drafted when I was in 8th grade, my 20 year highschool reunion is next year.
More than any other local sportswriter
TR Sullivan needs the “Old Yeller treatment.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Jamey is a shill for the organization (or maybe it's just Tom Hicks) as well
but at least he’s a good writer.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
It's as though TR
goes to the Ranger marketing and takes dictation.
Then he shakes his ass and sits down in front of his computer telling the world exactly what the Rangers want him to.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
x
whew, thought I was leading the league as the TWIT OF THE YEAR. Congrats, JW!
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
by horsedooty on Nov 19, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
x
I understand completely. :)
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Ross Perot Jr.
is in the trust tree as one of the worst owners this city has ever seen.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
Ross didn't buy the Mavericks because he wanted to be a sports owner
He bought them as an means to fuel the AAC/Victory Park development and once he got that in place, he sold them. They were a short-term asset purchase, nothing more.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
I know that, Aggie.
But that time period that he was the owner (‘94-99?) was an awful time to be a fan of the team because Perot Jr. put in a bare minimum effort and (like Hicks) didn’t give a damn about winning.
The presentation of the franchise at all levels screamed “Uptight White Guys Who Don’t Know What They’re Doing.”
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree
I just wanted to point out that he bought the Mavericks for a slightly different reason than other bad owners purchase their teams. Some buy a team and just flat suck at ownership. Others buy a team and operate it solely for the purpose of turning a profit, winning being irrelevant. He bought the team for neither reason, he bought it because he needed it to land the Victory Park deal.
While it was a bad deal from the standpoint of Mavericks fandom, it was a pretty slick and ingenious business deal. Of course, he’s got a history of sharp moves like that. In the interest of full disclosure, I’m not a Mavs fan (or an NBA fan at all), so I fully realize I might look at this different if I were a fan.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Perot Jr took ownership and then sold the team at the right
time to the right person.
Great for him personally but terrible for the fans during his ownership.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Mark Cuban
Is what happens when that beer swilling, abuse hurling, redneck fanatic who always sits behind the bench and screams at the players buys a team. Oddly enough he’s been the best owner not only in franchise history, but in the entire city, and in the top ten in all of sports.
An anecdote that I heard from when he bought the team goes as follows: “Soon after the purchase of the Mavericks, Mark Cuban went into the locker room to introduce himself to the team. When he did, several members of the team said, ‘Hey! I recognize you! you’re the one who’s been shouting at us from behind the bench all these years.’ And Mark replied, ‘Yep, that was me’.” Its like Zonk buying the Rangers. :)
I just can't imagine...
MLB would accept a proposal from Hicks knowing the situation they’re already in with him…
This really is grasping at straws in a hail mary to keep the team, isn’t it?
Again Hicks and Hicks Sports Group are different animals
Hicks from all accounts has plenty of cash. His corporation doesn’t. Im sure there are laws or rules against putting personal money into a corporation. It seems like the corporation that owns the team is struggling badly but if hicks personally owned the team along with other personal investors then it may be completely different even though the figurehead remains the same
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
But there is an unwritten law of big business
“NEVER SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY. Even if you go bankrupt, NEVER SPEND YOUR OWN MONEY.”
Clayton Williams once told an Ag Economics class of mine at A&M that the key to success in business was "using other people's money"
As long as you don’t get too leveraged and get yourself in a bind, he has a point.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
This is what ol' Marlon Byrd will be doing when he signs for many more millions than the Rangers will offer...
by ghostofErikThompson on Nov 19, 2009 10:37 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
yeh he'll forget about the "stepping stone" Rangers so efffn fast
Good help doesn't come cheap.
- Gil LeBreton
This organization ridding itself of Tom Hicks
is THE single most important development that could happen to the future of the team.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Yep...
this thread has been shat over all by the king clown.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
To take this in a different direction
From JD in TR’s article
…we’re also confident going with Julio and Josh. We know we have center field covered.
Not only does he mention Julio as an option for CF, he also mentions him first. Seems to me, JD isn’t the resistance in the FO to Borbon playing CF. I know I’ve been on Borbon for the weak ass arm, but I do like his overall skill set. As prototypical leadoff hitter that can flash on the pads, one has to assume his speed will lesson the impact of the arm. It’s all possible that Julio has a better arm, and he was hurt somehow last season.
And not to bait anyone, but I really like the approach JD uses for putting together the roster.
They could go the usual route for starting pitching — although they are not in the John Lackey chase — or they could move Neftali Feliz and/or C.J. Wilson into the rotation. That would mean focusing their free agency attention on rebuilding the bullpen. The Rangers continue to monitor Ben Sheets in his recovery from elbow surgery and remain interested. … “We have a pretty flexible roster,” Daniels said. “We just want to find the right fit, whether it’s starter or reliever.”
Since ‘07, I’ve agreed with almost every move by the FO.
BTW, notice how CJ continues to come up as a possible rotation piece. I wonder, is this TR’s thing or is JD really thinking of moving him?
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
You were on board with The Sosa
getting 315 plate appearances v RH pitching and hitting 4th or 5th in the line-up?
Spending $ 14 million on Gagne & Lofton?
Giving $ 13 million to Frankie Cat?
Spending $ 9 million on Broussard & JJennings?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Again what were the alternatives
We could have saved that money and won probably just as many games but then you would be bitching about how low our payroll is.
With the exception of Cat I have no problem with any of those signings you mention. And the only reason cat bothered me was giving up the 1st round pick for him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Umm, first I said almost every move
but let me address your reply.
Sosa was servicable. I didn’t like it, but he did manage to hit somewhat. Last time I checked, Wash makes out the line up. I don’t like Wash as a tactician or strategy manager. I guess he does well with the players as many sing his praises. Gagne and Lofton turned into Mad Max, Murph and Beltre, and we got the best of the performances while they played in Texas. Cat was previous to ‘07. We don’t talk about ThunderThighs or Blowhard.
I do like the change in focus to building from within. This idea came from JD and prolly Theo prior to the annoited one’s arrival. Turning Tex into a fucking bonanza, signing Oday off waivers, etc., etc. etc. Way more to be pleased about. Yep. I stand by my statement.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
Sosa move
was terrible. That was a purely business decision to try and put butts in the seat. Same as earlier in the decade when Ruben Sierra got way too heavy of play down the stretch of another losing season.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Sosa would have been fine had they simply platooned him.
Instead, Wash hit him against RHP and LHP, almost every day.
by FuturePants on Nov 19, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
But see
I get the signing for the very reason you say. The team was NOT going to win. HSG obviously was beginning to struggle so it brought some revenue to the team. I wanted to play the young ones too, but there were no options within the realm of reality. Ugly yes, effective yes (holding my nose as I answer). In other words, a win overall.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
I gave JD a one year honeymoon in 2006 but that
immediately came to an end when I saw what he was doing the following off-season.
He actually thought the moves he was making were going to help the team win in 2007.
“I expected us to compete for a division title, but after the hole we dug the odds are clearly stacked against us,” Daniels concedes while perusing the menu of undercooked, overpriced Asian delicacies. “I’ll take my share of the blame. I deserve it.” They would criticize. But they don’t recognize.
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2007-07-12/news/boy-blunder/
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Did you bother to read the article?
It pretty much highlights the very reasons I like JD.
he does possess two qualities vital in leading the Rangers out of eternal mediocrity: Perspective. Patience.
Your 2009 Snow Monkey Ambassador
Sosa only cost $500 thousand
He earned that by just showing up.
by swampdonkey on Nov 19, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Rudy gave his unfettered endorsement to Sosa as well
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Nov 19, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Gagne and Lofton?
Gagne and Lofton were awesome! not just for their presence, but Gagne brought us Kason Gabbard, David Murphy, and Engel Beltre. And Lofton brought us Max Ramirez.
Can’t argue that there was no value there, pinhead.
Cat, Broussard, and Jennings, however, can be thrown into a sack and dumped into the trinity river bottoms for all I care. (though Cat was a fan fave).
CJ was told by the org that he would have a shot at the rotation in spring training
at least that’s what he’s said.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 19, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think CJ, in the words of Tom Hicks
“is a good businessman” and wants to hit free agency as a hard throwing LH starter after 2011.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
He's said many times he wants to either close or start
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that those are the 2 highest paying roles for a pitcher.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 19, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Why do you still want Tom Hicks
to be owner of the team?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
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by Jamey Newberg on Nov 19, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 13 recs
Rec!
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
UP!
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by inactive lsb user on Nov 19, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
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by Jamey Newberg on Nov 19, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
He won't answer
Ive tried before:
http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/10/29/1105941/thursday-a-m-rangers-things#23544254
He did tell me once he is in “sales.” Hard to imagine he’s selling much of whatever it is.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Nov 19, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
The only thing...
king clown sells is bs.
I’m guessing he’s retired from whatever it was he did.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
He is a grumpy troll
He has no job outside of bitching about JD.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
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by Jamey Newberg on Nov 19, 2009 12:15 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
Are you afraid of change or that JD
might lose his job if things don’t go well in 2010?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Why do I get the feeling
neither person is giong to actually answer the other’s question…
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
One has cred one does not
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
And yet
like I said, neither answered the other’s question. I am much more interested personally in why Jamey would be okay with Hicks staying on as owner as opposed to what Josey does for a living. Personally, I don’t care one bit what Josey does for a living, but his question to Jamey had some real merit.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Here's the deal...
At times like this, you have to reassure Jamey how much we appreciate what he does and how lucky we are to have him.
I honestly feel that way, he’s passionate and competent. Apparently a very good lawyer who does this on the side…how lucky are we that he not only informs the fans about the team but the future in the pipeline as well? On top of all that, he’s a good writer.
The flip side to all this is that he is a very influential opinion-maker in this town and what he says is important because most readers of NMLR & LSB are dumbasses who need guidance when it comes to forming an opinion on the Texas Rangers.
Boiled down, most of you need somebody to tell you how to think.
So when he comes out and says how excited he is to have Roger Staubach a part of the “new” ownership group even if that means retaining that lying sack of shit Tom Hicks, somebody needs to call him on it because most of the dumbasses in LSB and NMLR will go along with him.
Maybe this is political and he has to do that to cover his bases and keep his perks/access but is doing all that for Tom Hicks when he loves this team as much as he does really worth it?
Jamey has to know that Tom Hicks is one of the worst owners in MLB and has been a complete embarrassment to our area. Yeah, there’s a chance JD may be shown the door if there is new ownership and the team scuffles but having the bar raised usually brings out the best in everybody.
If JD is as good as Jamey thinks he is, he’ll survive.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
"Business as usual." - Tom Hicks on the Ranger off-season 11/19/09
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
Are you afraid to praise JD
When he does something right?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
Not at all.
Getting O’Day for free was an excellent move.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
The Tex trade?
Moving MY to 3b? Moving Elvis into the starting line up?
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
You boys can hash out the JD issue...
the standings don’t lie.
The pressing concern that trumps all is the current ownership.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
by Josey Wales on Nov 19, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Second place two years in a row. MUCH better than most of the league. Thanks, JD!
by FuturePants on Nov 19, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Way to skip out
When you are called out with facts.
2009 Texas Rangers: Why The Hell Not Us?--ghtd36 on May 13, 2009
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
He still bashes not signing Teixeira.
Which is so many shades of absurd, it hurts.
by FuturePants on Nov 19, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
I really don't get why everyone responds to all of Josey's JD stuff...
He hates JD, so what? I couldn’t care less about what Josey likes/dislikes. He won’t convince anyone to believe the crazy shit he believes and no one will convince him. It’s like a ghost trying to masterbate, incredibly pointless…And almost every thread is like this these days…
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Nov 19, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
They just can't
help themselves. It frustrates many of us.
Are you "excited" about the possibility of Tom Hicks retaining ownership
of the Rangers, bdavison?
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
"Ranger players, especially veterans, weren’t surprised that Daniels couldn’t find a deal"
I'm starting to think
that Adam pays you to drive traffic. I’m sure you are very good for business.
I find the daily arguments that you and others devolve into to be a pain. It actually keeps me away from the comments a lot of the time because I know that petty name calling (on both sides) and a lot of talking past one another is going on. I don’t have time for that.
I’m sure I miss a lot of good discussion because of you and the people that fall (all the damn time) for your bait.
He drives traffic?
He increases total comments but those are generally pissing contests between him and the bait group. I seriously doubt he’s causing an increase in hits, unique hits or prompting new users to register at a faster pace.
by LiamP on Nov 19, 2009 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hold the people responding to him
just as responsible for derailing posts just as much as I do Josey. Just completely ignore him and he’ll go away, I mean everyone in my life uses that strategy against me and it works pretty well for them…
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Nov 19, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
He drives noise
and lowers the signal to noise ratio in here.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Added to the list of the things I admire, if not envy, about you is that whatever it is that you do allows you the time to post 31 times between the hours of 9:23 and 12:11 on a weekday morning. And I haven't checked any other threads. Awesomeness.
by Jamey Newberg on Nov 19, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
WRECK IT!
NO SERIOUSLY, GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE FULLSPEED INTO THE FUCKING COMMENT
by oc on Nov 19, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
not a chance in hell
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 19, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bascik doesn't know jack about any of the other sports
LSB is his escape when Norm trails off into brackets and horsies
by oc on Nov 19, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you think Bascik worships Galloway?
No way
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 19, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
You might have a point
I don’t read enough Josey to know that he’s a staunch Galloway rimjob
by oc on Nov 19, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
he most definitely is
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 20, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions
SO MUCH GREEN
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
Well I was going to read all of this,
but it looks like a huge waste of time. Sorry if this was already addressed though, but even if Hicks finds enough funds to buy this club, how is that going to change the financial situation of the club if he does? It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the payroll stayed near the bottom.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott
by ReallyCreativeScreenName on Nov 19, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions
Interesting article on FoxSports on the "economy" of baseball.
Mind you that the information is from Scott Boras and his fights with Rob Manfred, baseball’s chief of labor relations. I know Boras is trying to set a precendent where he can ask for more money for his clients and visa versa with Manfred, who does work for the owners.
The most interesting part of the article comes from Boras claiming that ALL teams come away with about $35M from Baseball’s Central Fund.
I dont know near enough about any of this but it as the least, pretty interesting and a good debating topic. however, you are always going to have those who represent the players say baseball makes plenty, and the owners say they are loosing all kinds of money. It is what it is!!
Elvis has "shook up" Arlington!!
K-Law
• Our own Richard Durrett has the latest on the bidding for the Rangers, with Tom Hicks trying to put together a new ownership group to, um, buy the team from himself, and Roger Staubach also involved in a would-be ownership group. Ownership doesn’t matter as much as the front office here, and whoever takes over needs to retain GM Jon Daniels and his staff, who have overseen an impressive and ongoing rebuilding program Meanwhile, Daniels told the Star-Telegram that he’d consider trading a pitcher if that’s what’s needed to put the club over the top, although he’s not looking to do so. The same piece also mentions that the Rangers hired former Padres cross-checker Scott Littlefield (brother of Dave) as a special assistant; I’ve known Scott for a few years and will always associate him with a game we saw in Torrington, Conn. We were sitting next to each other when a fan a few rows in front of us stood up … and his pants didn’t stand up with him. (The starting pitcher for Torrington that day was some kid named Steven Strasburg.)
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
Meh
same name wrong spelling.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 19, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Bob Nightengale's twitter
Keep and eye on developing three-way trade talk with Tigers and Mariners and mystery team involving M’s Brandon Morrow and Dets Jackson
about 1 hour ago from web
OT: Angels might pursue Bay,
but not Holliday, says their owner, according to FOX, hat tip mlbtraderumors. I’m all for the Angels overpaying Bay instead of Holliday.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/Lj5KP8OgZVk/R-mCmiiZQ6I/AAAAAAAABt4/eU8bibhKFY/s400/warning_sign.jpg
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I doubt Bay leaves Boston
The Angels may drive up his price but I don’t see the Red Sox letting him walk
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Right, but committing
too much money for too many years to an aging player with little defensive value is not a good idea.
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yeah
they might spend a lot but they don’t seem to be busting their budget. don’t really remember them being unable to keep someone good around because of those contracts.
No shit...
how many millions have they spent on their OF in the last couple years?
GMJ, Torii Hunter, Juan Rivera, Bobby Abreu and now they may go after Jason Bay.
Must be nice to have that much payroll flexibility.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Their budget is not unlimited
if they sign Bay it might keep them from signing something else they need, and his defense might cost them some in terms of runs allowed.
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I'd rather they re-sign Lackey for 80 - 90 mil.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'd rather
they just traded Kazmir for Dontrelle Willis but they’re probably not gonna do that.
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Going along with MLB Trade Rumor info
Rays are now considered the clear cut front runners for Milton Bradley.
Nick Swisher is on the trade market.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2009 1:13 PM CST reply actions
I know hes a douche but if the price in prospects was right I would look into Swisher
DH who can play the corners and backup 1B. Wonder what NY is going to ask for in return?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
OK
That doesn’t really answer my question
What would NY ask for in trade? If we wanted NY to pick up some or most of his contract what would that cost in trade?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
I don't know
if the Yankees really value prospects like most teams. They are an exception to the rule based on their outlandish payroll. They might want everyday players or pitchers close to or in the bigs.
"calmer than you are dude" Walter (Big Lebowski)
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Nov 19, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Because its Swisher or because you don't think hes a good player?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Yeah
Switch hitting OFer who’s put up UZR/150’s of 5.6 and 6.0 in LF and RF for his career, walks a lot and has a decent amount of power.
As for the contract thing he’s owed just 6.75 mil next year. Doesn’t get really expensive till 2011 (9 mil) and 2012 (10.25), but the ‘12 year is an option with a 1 mil buyout and we’ll hopefully have our money issues handled by 2011.
I might extremely interested depending on the price in prospects they’re asking.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
If Swisher is so damn good
why are the Yankees looking to dump him while also seeking to acquire a corner outfielder?
Dunno
Might not want to pay him after 2010 and are trying to sell high after his career season in their new bandbox.
But he is a good hitter – .353 career wOBA and .360+ wOBA’s in 3 out of his last 4 seasons. He might not duplicate his .498 slugging from this season unless he lands in a park like the RBiA, but he still walks at a pretty good rate and he’s versatile.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
Yeah, just because a team is shopping a guy doesn't mean A) he's not good and B) he wouldn't improve another team
Good businessmen know how to value their assets. They understand that all assets should be expendable at the right price and there’s almost always room to upgrade. Swisher is a good corner outfielder, but coming off a career year they’d be foolish not to at least see what they could net in a trade for him. Plus, there are better corner outfielders who might be available.
Feldman strikes me as a Rangers corollary this winter—yeah he could be great for the team in the future, but the club would be foolish to not see what his market price is because there are upgrades available at some price. Truth is, how many players in baseball are there not upgrades for? Less than ten, I’d say. Those guys are untouchable assets, but everyone else should be available at some price.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Good businessmen also know how to dump assets at the top of their value curve
and before others have figured out that the maintainence costs exceed the production value.
I couldn't take
looking at him every day for 6+ months.
by Brett Perryman on Nov 19, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
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