Three way deal only works if...

by pbpsean on Nov 20, 2009 4:04 PM CST

Rangers receive: Bradley, Tom Gorzelanny and $5 million from Cubs

Rangers receive: John Maine and $5 million from Mets

Mets receive: Kevin Millwood and a player that we will expose in Rule 5 anyway

Cubs receive: Luis Castillo and a player we will expose in Rule 5 anyway

We get two serviceable pitchers to let Maddux try and re-discover, plus our RH bat for $10 million over two years.

If Bradley behaves for two years and gives 100%, I would rather do this deal and lose Byrd.

I know the teams are saying the original rumor isn't happening, but maybe there is a combination out there like this to make a deal better for the Rangers.

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i don't think

the Cubs trade Bradley, Gorzellany and 5 million just to take on Castillo’s negative value and a middling prospect from our system.

This deal definitely favors us on paper, but even if it did go through, it sort of “clogs” up our 40 with risky pitchers when we really need help elsewhere.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Nov 20, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions

The Mariners had a strange series of events. Back in July they traded OF Wlademir Balienten to the Reds for reliever (and Houston Bellaire alum) Robert Manuel. Manuel’s a guy whose results had always exceded his stuff, so scouts were skeptical of the trade, but he actually performed pretty well in limited action this year for the Reds and Mariners. Well today, the M’s just gave him away, DFAing him and allowing the Red Sox to claim him (granted, if he made it to the Red Sox, that means a lot of teams passed). It seems like an odd thing for the M’s to do, though, seeing enough in him to target him in a prospect for prospect trade back in July and then giving up on him a mere three months later.

What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.

by clark on Nov 20, 2009 4:27 PM CST reply actions

Possibly trying to slip him through waivers right now

All the teams had to add their rule 5 guys so some teams were possibly full is the only thing I can think of

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Nov 20, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions

except

teams were also making sure they had room to add players via Rule 5 and Manuel is probably better than most Rule 5 candidates, and you get some added flexibility

by ab03 on Nov 20, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions

Gorzellany intrigues me

Had that one good year with the Pirates, then basically stunk it up for the past 2 seasons. I’d definately be intrigued to see what Maddux could do with him because theres definitely been signs of potential.

After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL

by MayurP on Nov 20, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions

Meh

I know theres a little more potential there, but if either of those guys hit their peak they are, at least hopefully for us, soon back of the rotation guys or somewhere in the BP.

I wouldn’t want to give up Millwood to get either of them, as I do think we are still looking at next year as a year to actually do some winning and I think Millwood would help more than those guys would.

I still expect Bradley, if he gets traded to be a simple trade, Bradley + money for a mediocre prospect or three.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Nov 20, 2009 5:35 PM CST reply actions

sheesh

You really think Millwood plus 2 non-prospects is worth Bradley, Gorzellany, Maine and $10M?

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by RangerMad on Nov 20, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions

I'd bet the Rangers wouldn't pull that trade

In my mind the question is would Millwood be worth Gorzellany and Main. And for us next year I think Millwood is worth more than the two of them in all likelihood.

What do voluntary mean?

by JKolar on Nov 20, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions

I keep bouncing back and forth on Milly

Part of me thinks that he can be as productive as he was in the first half of the year, part of me thinks he’ll revert to is 08 form.

However, the less people blocking Feliz = the happier I am. But that doesn’t matter too much.

"Blister please, with those wings in your spine.
Love to be with a brother of mine.
How he'd love to find your tongue in his teeth,
In a struggle to find secret songs that you keep,
Wrapped in boxes so tight, sounding only at night as you sleep." ~Jeff Mangum; Neutral Milk Hotel

by jdh90 on Nov 21, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions