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I wouldn't sign an extension with Toronto either
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2009 7:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Uh...
We would like to sign him, he is an original Blue Jay and we have never had a pitcher as good as him
Roger Clemens would beg to differ.
by LiamP on Nov 21, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Blue Jays are gonna want a pitcher back; who do you lose - Feldman or Hunter
by oc on Nov 21, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Halladay already refuse a trade to Texas?
by swampdonkey on Nov 21, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OC likes his pitchers unattainable
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jake Peavy refused a trade to the south side before being traded to the south side.
by tyd3311 on Nov 21, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Jake Peavy had a cushy NL pitchers park he wanted to stay in.
The Roy Toy doesn’t particularly want to be in Toronto and he still supposedly didn’t fancy coming here.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I find it amusing.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 21, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Nov 21, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's pretty terrible
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 22, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay
Something tells me that Feldman vs. Hunter wouldn’t be the biggest decision to make in a Halladay deal…..
by Darrell McKown on Nov 21, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing Smoak isn't as deadly as losing Holland,
by oc on Nov 21, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This line of thinking is really starting to tick me the fuck off.
It’s so short-sighted it’s not even funny.
We found out in 2009 that this team doesn’t have anyone on it’s major league roster who can get on base consistently. Trading the only player you have in your entire minor league system who looks like he might be able to add that extremely important dimension to your ballclub for the next 6 years is incredibly stupid.
What we do have however, is young pitching coming out of our ass, nose and ears. In fact, that’s pretty much all this farm system has (well, that and raw latin shortstops). Which is great, don’t get me wrong. Not knocking the farm system for that. But that’s your position of strength. That’s the pool you can deal a really good young player from and not say “gee, trading him killed us” a year or two down the line. Kinda like the Braves lost Neftali Feliz to us but they’ve still got Tommy Hanson.
That principle goes double considering the only thing we should be trading any of our top prospects for is another quality arm. I don’t know why there’s still people who don’t get this, but trading one of our quality arms for another, more established quality arm hurts us a lot less than trading our only quality bat for another quality arm.
And don’t give me this “we’re the Rangers, we’ll always be able to acquire offensive talent” bullshit that ESPN feeds the masses. Being the Texas Rangers doesn’t automatically mean we’re going to score a ton of runs every season for the rest of our existence. You still have to have offensive talent to score those runs, and nearly all our offensive talent is already at the big league level, failing to score runs.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 22, 2009 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Owned by LSJ
I’ll concede, as long as you adhere to these two little bullet points :
- you can never have too much pitching (for crying out loud, IT’S THE RANGERS)
- the free agent pool in 2011 is looking beeeeuuutiful

by oc on Nov 22, 2009 5:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering this last year
Seattle was the best team in Runs Allowed
White Sox were 2nd.
Detroit was 4th
and Texas was 5th,
They may disagree that you can have too much pitching at the expense of hitting.
The top 4 teams in Runs Scored?
Yankees
Angels
Boston
Minnesota.
I agree 100% with LSJ. Smoak brings something to this team that it doesn’t have on the major league roster. The ability to force walks out of the pitcher, and right now, our minors are deeper in pitchers than hitters.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
by DJCahill on Nov 22, 2009 5:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I want to know is
When we gon’ get sum pitchin’ in heer?
"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."
- Wails
by RCCook on Nov 22, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Historically
Ok, how many Rangers teams have led the AL in ERA? R/G?
Hoy many Rangers teams have lead the AL in batting? HR? Runs scored per game?
anyone? beuler?
by iblum on Nov 23, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just to go out on a limb
but Pujols will never be a Ranger. Sad to face that truth, but I’m pretty resolved to it.
Lance, on the other hand, would be awesome to see in a Rangers uniform. In fact, I don’t see the harm in trying to make a play for him right now, given that Houston’s organization is in pretty bad shape at the moment and the Rangers could give them a Tex style return without missing a beat. Smoak/Davis + Holland + a couple of B arms for Berkman? I’d drive them to Houston myself.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
it big steep isn’t it? That’s the package that can get you J Johnson easily.
I’d be very happyt if we can swing a Berkman deal that does NOT involve the big 5.
Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee
by Baseball North on Nov 22, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you would do that deal in a heartbeat if it were available.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Nov 22, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither would I.
Dude’s going to turn 34 next year.
by LiamP on Nov 22, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad for a guy with a ~.900 OPS or greater the last five years
by oc on Nov 22, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
except last year
was probably the worst year of his career offensively and he’s talked about retiring at the end of his contract if he can’t get any better.
by MikeEl on Nov 23, 2009 4:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
and Lance Berkman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Johnson
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
He’s only under contract for two more years, and at $15 million per, he’s a lot more expensive than Johnson is.
I like Berkman, but I wouldn’t give up that package to get him.
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 22, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
I guess it depends on how close you think this team is to winning big.
I think you add Berkman into this lineup/roster; you have a team that is instantly the AL West favorite and a contender for the league title. The marginal improvement of Berkman over whoever is at first is far greater than the marginal improvement of Johnson over whoever he is replacing.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
said another way
people were willing to make that same deal for Halladay. And this team needs a Berkman far more than it needs a Roy Halladay.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Debatable
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by t ball on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
most things are debatable.
Maybe I should say, in 2009, the Rangers would have benefited from Berkman over Davis more than Halladay over Holland. But who knows about 2010…
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 23, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, in 2009
that might have been true, sadly. But trading for Berkman pre-2009 betting on that wouldn’t have been the correct move even so.
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by t ball on Nov 23, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Roy Halladay won't sign an extension with Toronto"
Duh.
by TheCrow471 on Nov 22, 2009 4:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
exactly my reaction
was this ever in doubt?
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by t ball on Nov 22, 2009 5:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay...
is just counting down the days ’til he can sign with the Yanks or BoSox. All he wants to do is win, which I can understand, but would it mean the same to do it with the Yanks or BoSox?
What I’d be interested to know is whether or not these players feel like winning with either one of those teams would be the same as winning with a team like the Blue Jays or Rangers. Does it mean as much to lead the Yanks or BoSox to a WS as it would to do the same with a smaller market team? Of course, it would be hard to get a straight answer from anyone on that question.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 22, 2009 11:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would think it depends...
For someone like Tex, it seems like the goal was always to join a team that can afford huge contracts. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the Mets offered the most money though.
It’s hard to fault a guy like Halladay who has tried for so long but seems like he’s up against an impossible task…they can’t even make the postseason. Ichiro and Greinke could theoretically fall in the same group. It’s more interesting to consider people like Berkman, Oswalt, Fielder, Hanley Ramirez, etc. Good players on teams that haven’t been completely awful, but whose teams are farther away from contending for an actual world series. That list is just off the top of my head and I’m sure there are more/better examples.
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JD: Eddie Guardado.
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