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I wouldn't sign an extension with Toronto either

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire

by LSJ on Nov 21, 2009 7:01 PM CST reply actions  

Uh...
We would like to sign him, he is an original Blue Jay and we have never had a pitcher as good as him

Roger Clemens would beg to differ.

by LiamP on Nov 21, 2009 7:11 PM CST reply actions  

clean?

didn’t Clemens shower after every start just like other pitchers?

by iblum on Nov 23, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

OC likes his pitchers unattainable

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire

by LSJ on Nov 21, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Jake Peavy had a cushy NL pitchers park he wanted to stay in.

The Roy Toy doesn’t particularly want to be in Toronto and he still supposedly didn’t fancy coming here.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire

by LSJ on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I find it amusing.

"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS

"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire

by LSJ on Nov 21, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah.

"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris

by inactive lsb user on Nov 21, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

it's pretty terrible

"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan

by Dirk Diggler on Nov 22, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Halladay

Something tells me that Feldman vs. Hunter wouldn’t be the biggest decision to make in a Halladay deal…..

by Darrell McKown on Nov 21, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Owned by LSJ

I’ll concede, as long as you adhere to these two little bullet points :

  • you can never have too much pitching (for crying out loud, IT’S THE RANGERS)
  • the free agent pool in 2011 is looking beeeeuuutiful

by oc on Nov 22, 2009 5:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Considering this last year

Seattle was the best team in Runs Allowed
White Sox were 2nd.
Detroit was 4th
and Texas was 5th,

They may disagree that you can have too much pitching at the expense of hitting.

The top 4 teams in Runs Scored?
Yankees
Angels
Boston
Minnesota.

I agree 100% with LSJ. Smoak brings something to this team that it doesn’t have on the major league roster. The ability to force walks out of the pitcher, and right now, our minors are deeper in pitchers than hitters.

"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland

by DJCahill on Nov 22, 2009 5:58 AM CST up reply actions  

What I want to know is

When we gon’ get sum pitchin’ in heer?

"I cannot believe how fucking off base I was about Tiny E before this season. The Kid is great and is going to become a star."

- Wails

by RCCook on Nov 22, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Historically

Ok, how many Rangers teams have led the AL in ERA? R/G?

Hoy many Rangers teams have lead the AL in batting? HR? Runs scored per game?

anyone? beuler?

by iblum on Nov 23, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Just to go out on a limb

but Pujols will never be a Ranger. Sad to face that truth, but I’m pretty resolved to it.

Lance, on the other hand, would be awesome to see in a Rangers uniform. In fact, I don’t see the harm in trying to make a play for him right now, given that Houston’s organization is in pretty bad shape at the moment and the Rangers could give them a Tex style return without missing a beat. Smoak/Davis + Holland + a couple of B arms for Berkman? I’d drive them to Houston myself.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

it big steep isn’t it? That’s the package that can get you J Johnson easily.

I’d be very happyt if we can swing a Berkman deal that does NOT involve the big 5.

Must kill Moe. Weeeeeeeee

by Baseball North on Nov 22, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither would I.

Dude’s going to turn 34 next year.

by LiamP on Nov 22, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

except last year

was probably the worst year of his career offensively and he’s talked about retiring at the end of his contract if he can’t get any better.

by MikeEl on Nov 23, 2009 4:27 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah

and Lance Berkman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Johnson

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

He’s only under contract for two more years, and at $15 million per, he’s a lot more expensive than Johnson is.

I like Berkman, but I wouldn’t give up that package to get him.

by Adam J. Morris on Nov 22, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

well

I guess it depends on how close you think this team is to winning big.

I think you add Berkman into this lineup/roster; you have a team that is instantly the AL West favorite and a contender for the league title. The marginal improvement of Berkman over whoever is at first is far greater than the marginal improvement of Johnson over whoever he is replacing.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

said another way

people were willing to make that same deal for Halladay. And this team needs a Berkman far more than it needs a Roy Halladay.

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Nov 22, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Debatable

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 23, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

sure

most things are debatable.

Maybe I should say, in 2009, the Rangers would have benefited from Berkman over Davis more than Halladay over Holland. But who knows about 2010…

Go Rice Owls!

by JBImaknee on Nov 23, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh, in 2009

that might have been true, sadly. But trading for Berkman pre-2009 betting on that wouldn’t have been the correct move even so.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Nov 23, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Halladay...

is just counting down the days ’til he can sign with the Yanks or BoSox. All he wants to do is win, which I can understand, but would it mean the same to do it with the Yanks or BoSox?

What I’d be interested to know is whether or not these players feel like winning with either one of those teams would be the same as winning with a team like the Blue Jays or Rangers. Does it mean as much to lead the Yanks or BoSox to a WS as it would to do the same with a smaller market team? Of course, it would be hard to get a straight answer from anyone on that question.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 22, 2009 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

I would think it depends...

For someone like Tex, it seems like the goal was always to join a team that can afford huge contracts. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the Mets offered the most money though.

It’s hard to fault a guy like Halladay who has tried for so long but seems like he’s up against an impossible task…they can’t even make the postseason. Ichiro and Greinke could theoretically fall in the same group. It’s more interesting to consider people like Berkman, Oswalt, Fielder, Hanley Ramirez, etc. Good players on teams that haven’t been completely awful, but whose teams are farther away from contending for an actual world series. That list is just off the top of my head and I’m sure there are more/better examples.

If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.

by GhettoBear04 on Nov 22, 2009 11:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

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