Putting Elvis Andrus's Rookie Season in Perspective
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 22, 2009 2:00 PM CST
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One of the things we've talked about is how Elvis Andrus was a particularly special player simply because of what he did this year...very few players spend a full season in the major leagues at age 20, as an every day player, and perform like he did.
In an effort to put this in perspective, I went to Baseball Reference and did a search of their database. I asked B-R to list every season since 1901 where a player, age 20 or less, got at least 400 plate appearances in the majors, and was a second baseman or shortstop.
There were only 19 season, which was less than I expected. And two of those seasons were by Robin Yount, so you have a total of 18 players who have done, in terms of playing time, what Elvis did in 2009.
Elvis had the 12th highest OPS+ out of those 19th seasons, just ahead of Gary Sheffield (and yes, for you young 'uns, Sheffield used to be a shortstop). He also finished ahead of Robin Yount's age 20 season.
The guys ahead of him are, in order:
Arky Vaughan
Roberto Alomar
Travis Jackson
Whitey Witt
Bill Mazeroski
Frankie Gustine
Robin Yount
Alan Trammell
Bobby Doerr
So that is four Hall of Famers, two guys who will be in the Hall once they are eligible (although Robbie is probably not a first ballot guy), a couple of guys who probably deserve to be in the Hall but aren't (Trammell and Doerr), and three guys who went on to be decent, but not great, players.
Think about that for a moment. Think about how exceptional what Elvis Andrus did last year was, and the company it puts him in.
(Incidentally, Alex Rodriguez's age 20 season is probably the greatest age 20 season by any positional player, ever. He had a 160 OPS+ and an OPS of over 1000. No one else on the list had an OPS better than 787. Arky Vaughan, one of the three or four best shortstops of all time, had a 113 OPS+, and no one else was better than 105).
Elvis also had the most steals of anyone on that least, had the 6th highest number of walks, and was tied for the 6th highest number of homers.
Bump it up a year, and look at 21 year old shortstops, and there are only 22 who had a better OPS+ in 400+ PAs than Andrus had in 2009.
And again, you see a lot of HOFers or future HOFers (ARod, Vaughan, Rogers Hornsby, Young, Jackson, Cal Ripken, Joe Tinker, Rabbit Maranville), along with quite a few very, very good players (Trammell, Vern Stephens, Jim Fregosi, Dick Bartell) and guys who had long, solid careers (Frankie Crosetti, Alfredo Griffin, Zoilo Versalles, Donie Bush, Garry Templeton), with just a couple of clunkers (Mike Caruso, Joe Cassidy) mixed in.
Elvis had a special, special season in 2009. I mean, we as Rangers fans, I think, getting to watch him every day, I think have a good sense for how good he is, particularly with the glove...but until I went and looked at the data, I didn't realize how exceptional it was for a middle infielder to be a major league regular this young, and hit as well as he did.
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I was trying to use this approach
to the fans on minorleagueball to explain how absurd Adrus’ season was last year. I really think just because of the historical comps involved he automatically gets down graded just because most people refuse to accept it is possible that any player could fit into that list of names, therefore Andrus doesn’t stand a chance….
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Yeah i saw your
post over there. I cant believe he was voted, what, 9th or something in that poll?
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Nov 22, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
We're gay for Elvis!
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 22, 2009 2:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
ne w LSB headline?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Better than making a banner out of a Galloway quote
by oc on Nov 22, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
That sort of marginal improvement...
…is what I was hoping we would be moving past as an organization. I want only high QOGU (Quality Over Grandpa Urine) replacements please.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Nov 22, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be interested in going in to Rally's database and looking at what it thinks of all those seasons. . .
. . . and the careers after them.
And, yeah, Elvis seems like he’s extremely likely at this point to at least be a regularly above average shortstop for a long time, which is a much bigger perk than it sounds. I’d say he’s probably more likely than not to be a regular All-Star caliber guy.
If he can push that to being an MVP candidate a few times and one day making the Hall of Fame, doing it as a Ranger, we don’t even need Feliz or Salty to work out for the Tex deal to be a good one. And we all know Feliz is going to work out. . .
Importance of Age
I love Elvis, I love the analysis.
But.
Does it really matter that someone is 20 versus say 23-24? You still have the player for about 6 or 7 years? So, he’s a free agent at 27 or so, versus something more typical like Age 30? I’m just curious if there’s been some form of analysis to show how those extra-years really work out.
I think you miss the point.
The point is that being this good at 20 is an indication of better things to come than being this good at 23 or 24 usually. And it means more seasons of contribution at the Major League level (and likely at a high level beyond that).
The hope, of course, is that he has those seasons with us. But, yes, it does matter if he’s 20 as opposed to 23-24. In the scheme of projections, those years are huge.
Regardless of when they come up, players almost always hit their peak at about 27.
And almost always fall from their peak after about 30. That doesn’t mean their done after 30, it means they start to regress notably.
So the more years you can get from a player before that point, the better in a historical context he is going to be (not that this is more important than team control, of course). And if a player is an All-Star talent at 20, it means you could get a full decade of that (and likely better) before he hits what is typically the point of decline. So, the odds are, for Elvis Andrus, there’s no where but up from here for the next 7-10 years, and he was one of the best shortstops in baseball this year.
Young SS's...
Seattle had him from 1994-2000. Ages 19-25 or 26.
So, here’s my consideration. If being so good at 19 or 20 shows how good you are, that’s a great piece of info. But does the timeline 22-29 differ much than 20-27?
A-Rod took steroids and all, but, Elvis lives on speed and quickness, so, maybe his youth is very important to his age.
I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, a player who is average-to-all-star caliber at 20 is usually going to have a better career than a player who does the same at 22. So I think the answer is yes, but I’m not really understanding what you’re asking or why.
Your list below...
is awesome. That is exactly the sort of data I wanted to look at, thanks!
I wanted to see this type of thing…how “old” are these SS’s during their best or peak performance years.
So, Alomar’s was age 31. Trammel’s 29. Renteria’s Age 27. But, most were before 27.
Thanks for the data.
the list is meaningless
because Jeter isn’t on it.
/yankees fan
Because
Putz:
at age 20, Jeter spent half the year in the Florida State League posting an .808 OPS in A-ball. He did however get called up to AA and then AAA that year.
at age 21, Jeter started the year in AAA, and spent the season there, with a cup of coffee with the 1995 Yankee team that got spanked by 19 year old Alex Rodriguez, Cy Young winner Randy Johnson, and the rest of the Seattle Mariners.
Importance of Age
From a developmental standpoint, Age is extreemly important. Think of it in terms of prospects. A 19 year old who struggles at AA is worth far more than a 21 year old who pounds the crap out of Short season ball.
Now, performance is important too, but context allows one to place that performance in perspective.
Also:
I’m pretty sure Gary Sheffield was playing shortstop in one of the first Rangers games I ever went to.
Danny Ainge
Played 3rd base in one of the first games I ever went to.
by shroomer on Nov 22, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes because...
1. He’s still one of the best players ever.
2. The pitchers were on PED’s also.
3. His accomplishments are superior.
4. How do you not include the youngest player to 500 HR’s?
5. How can you not include a SB/HR player who played SS and performed in various locations?
He’s a sure thing.
So it's cool to cheat your way to the top?
He’s definitely a talented baseball player, but allowing him in the Hall of Fame shows that it’s ok to cheat as long as you win. There has to be some kind of punishment for cheating or it will never stop. Youngest player to 500 HR’s…how many of those home runs were because he was juiced? If he goes to the Hall all of these commercials telling kids to stay away from steroids and the testing in high schools now…it’s all a fucking waste of time. The way it sounds A-Rod has been on roids since he was a teenager and is probably still on something they haven’t created a test for.
Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."
+1
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Question
Should Gaylord Perry and Whitey Ford be in the HOF?
What about Babe Ruth (who apparently used a corked bat)?
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 22, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Probably not
I see where you’re going but I just think it’s a fucking joke. I guess if you’re not gonna do anything about it and reward players for cheating our Congress shouldn’t be wasting their time with these drawn out hearings and investigations. Let everyone run around the clubhouse with needles hanging out of their asses bouncing their hormone induced bitch tits. Do you think Clemens get’s in the HOF? What about Bonds? My guess is they do…So why go through the motions and act like you’re doing something, it’s a pointless act if no one get’s the screws put to them.
Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."
Baseball players should take and/or do
whatever makes them better baseball players. I don’t care about morals or whatever. I just want my team to win.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 22, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
"our Congress shouldn’t be wasting their time with these drawn out hearings and investigations."
Are you seriously of the opinion that they’re not wasting everyone’s goddamn time looking into things like this?
Really?
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Nov 22, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Nothings being done..so yeah.
Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."
by Section 339 on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm...wait..what?
It’s a waste of time = “yes” IF HOF for offenders =“yes”
Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."
by Section 339 on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
I'm saying it annoyed the living hell out of me that Congress felt this was such a high pri issue that they needed to hold hearings on it
Those grandstanding blowhards have much bigger fish to fry.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Nov 23, 2009 6:47 AM CST up reply actions
Congress wasting time
I’m all for Congress wasting as much time as possible. Anything that keeps them from spending our hard earned tax dollars on stupidity is a good things.
x
wasn’t it said, when Gaylord Perry got his 300th win that, “300 wins is nothing to spit at.”
I soloed in the Mile High Club!
Corked bat?
Did i miss this? Where i can find this story?
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Nov 22, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
small link
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1347&dat=19870823&id=xLUSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4fsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4327,3654473
interesting thing googlei s doing
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
To answer your FB question
blindside is excellent. Some really funny parts ha
"More than likely JW never played sports above the youth level. It amazes me that he seems to have no concept on the common reactions of an adult athlete or their normal interactions between each other." - laxonto
by Michael Cave on Nov 22, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
come on
its not like he went from damon buford to babe ruth/hank aaron overnight…
equally, will you please link me to the study that says that taking steroids make talent go up 1000%?
what % better do you think that MLB players are b/c of steriods? 1% better? 5%? 90%?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Steroids
Can give you extra strength, but one of the greatest advantages is bat speed. The generated bat speed and power are very significant in adding to the success of a hitter, not just in the added strength to hit the ball farther but in the enhanced ability to get the bat head out in front of the plate to meet the ball. People think it’s all about the homers. The homer records are what garner the most recognition with Sosa, McGwire, and Bonds. I think it has more to do with assisting in a player’s ability to succeed. This doesn’t even take into account the added ability to recover quicker from an injury, so said player can be on the field more often.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by NothinG on Nov 23, 2009 12:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hall of Fame
We’re talking about the Hall of FAME. It’s not the: Hall of Morality.
I don’t buy into the argument that so many great players (Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod) are not worthy. Ty Cobb spiked people to get an edge. Is that cheating? Pitchers used PED’s every bit as much as A-Rod, especially the modestly talented ones. In my opinion, I’m all for the HOF being exclusive, but not morally exclusive, instead, I want the best performers to be included.
that includes/doesnt include pete rose?
…just asking
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Pete Rose
If I answer this one, I’m afraid for my life! Too many people can’t handle the truth.
I will say this. If I saw proof that the MLB had massive gambling taking place, then I’d be for Rose. PED’s were rampant. We all know why the MLB denies it.
I like Fire Joe Morgan's take on Rose v. steroid users
The league’s regulation of steroids were poorly written and ill-enforced. Pete Rose, meanwhile, did the one thing that is posted in every clubhouse in the league that will ABSOLUTELY GET YOU BANNED FOR LIFE.
The consequences of what Rose did were a whole lot more clear than the consequences of PEDs.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
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by WestTxAg06 on Nov 23, 2009 6:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Death be not denied.
You are wrong. Rose is not banned for life. Rose is banned PERMANENTLY. Leo Durocher was not elected to the HOF until after he died. Many said it was because he consorted with gamblers. Joe Jackson has been dead for decades and is still not eligable. Pete Rose will never be a HOFer unless baseball decides to reinstate him, and IMO, that ain’t happening ever.
Excellent point, there is a load of difference between "for life" and "permanently"
There is a train of thought that says Rose should be elected to the HOF after his death: that way his accomplishments are properly enshrined without him personally receiving the joy of being inducted.
I don’t necessarily disagree with that, but there is no way Rose could ever be put in the Hall, dead or living, so long as Shoeless Joe remains on the outside looking in.
"Dying ain't hard. It’s living in the wake of a thorough public humiliation that’s hard.--JDT217
Internet greatness http://www.lonestarball.com/2009/11/10/1125340/will-carroll-calls-out-josey-wales
Pete Rose
Betting on baseball has been against the rules since 1876. PED’s were against the rules in 2004. A-rod admitted to using PED’s in 2003. Rose betted on baseball in 1970-1985 or so, therefor, A-Rod has not broken the rules, and Rose has.
The bigger question is, would you vote for Manny Ramirez for the HOF?
Look I don't disagree with your argument
I just think the MLB and media should STFU if Barry Bonds and A-ROD and Clemens make it into the HOF. There’s always going to be a way to get an edge and there’s always going to be players taking advantage of that. I mean at this point don’t bother trying to stop it….encourage it …I want to see 600 foot homeruns, I’m poor and I want to be entertained…6 dollar tickets and 600 foot homeruns will make me happy and make me forget about being shit canned for some under payed dude in the Philippines that now has my job. What? Angry? Me? No? Look am I crazy? Probably? But if they let those guys in they’re condoning cheating. It’s that simple, or is it? At this point I’m not even sure WTF I’m talking about.
Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."
Frustration is natural...
Breathe in. Breathe out.
A-Rod and the MLB are entertainment. But, the Hall of Fame will never cure cancer or fix the justice system. It’s not an economic system either. It’s a marketing tool most of all.
The media especially should shut the fuck up
Almost all of the same writers that are sanctimoniously tooting their ethical horns today were on the job in the 90s, and to a lesser extent the 80s and 70s. Where were they then??
What, they really just now put 2 and 2 together? There are only 2 plausible answers to that question. They were either incompetent boobs, or they were complicit liars.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Nov 22, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
I hope some roided up fuck smacks one into orbit.
Fuck it, it’s obvious fans don’t really give a shit anymore. Score more points make awesome plays, and hope the fuck your body doesn’t start failing from roid abuse.
It’s the wave of the future…tiny testicles and flabby bitch tits. Maybe they’ll start sprinkling HGH on my fucking Wheaties. As long as your team wins who cares how they do it?
Scott Feldman – "The greatest Hawaiian-born Jewish baseball player to ever set foot on the mound."
by Section 339 on Nov 23, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I've never given a shit
I agree with Mark Cuban that they should be able to take as many steroids and growth hormones as they want, as long as they are being administered by a licensed physician, and they are being given out in accordance with our drug laws.
"I don't condone steroids or any other type of growth hormones or anything else, but I could care less, and, for the most part, I don't think the fans give a (bleep). The people that care about it are the people that probably don't like baseball," - Jim Leyland
Agree 100%
They should be striving to be better baseball players — and if that’s what it takes, then great.
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 23, 2009 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure what this had to do with the point I was making
But yeah, I really don’t see the need to sweat somebody else’s bitch tits. These are grown men, if they want to pump every possible chemical enhancer into their system, so be it.
I fail to see how dudes doing steroids today is any bigger of a deal than Hank Aaron and his peers doing speed in the 60’s and 70’s. I’m also skeptical that, since we now know that pitchers were just as frequently guilty of steroid use as the hitters, that all the numbers are all that tainted.
Neftali Feliz says sit your 5 dollar ass down before he makes change...
Hi, Keith. Is this the year Edinson Volquez finally wins RoY?
by Brian Thomas on Nov 23, 2009 6:44 AM CST up reply actions
Cheaters in the HOF
Last I looked, it still says “HOF” next to Gaylord Perry’s name. How many games would he have won without the spitball?
YES
And so does Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Ken Griffey Jr, and even possibly Rafael Palmeiro and other lesser lights. 20 years from now people are going to look at the Steroids issue and wonder what the big deal was all about.
I'm going to look at Rally's WAR numbers using Adam's list to distract me from how much the Cowboys suck.
Elvis Andrus
Age 20: 3.0
Alex Rodriguez
Age 20: 9.4
Career: 95.2
Best Season: 11.0 (24)
Arky Vaughan
Age 20: 3.6
Career: 75.6
Best Season: 9.1 (23)
Robbie Alomar
Age 20: 3.8
Career: 63.6
Best Season: 7.9 (31)
Edgar Renteria
Age 20: 3.0
Career: 31.4
Best Season: 6.5 (27)
Travis Jackson
Age 20: 3.8
Career: 43.3
Best Season: 6.9 (25)
Bill Mazeroski
Age 20: 2.6
Career: 27.0
Best Season: 4.5 (21)
Frankie Gustine
Age 20: 1.0
Career: 8.6
Best Season: 2.8 (27)
Robin Yount
Age 19: 0.1
Age 20: 1.0
Career: 76.8
Best Season: 11.5 (26)
Alan Trammell
Age 20: 2.2
Career: 66.8
Best Season: 8.9 (29)
Bobby Doerr
Age 20: 1.0
Career: 48.0
Best Season: 6.4 (26)
Age Matters
Thanks for this.
Since it is obvious that age matters - How can the Yankees (Cashman) not consider this stuff and still sign A-Rod in 2007 (at age 32) to a fresh 10 year, $275 deal?
And because they want to make absolutely certain the all-time home run record is broken by a Yankee.
what is the % of that contract "failing" one way or another?
i mean seriously, unless he goes all griffey jr and gets hurthurthurt, its not like his talent just is going to go poof…
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet they overpaid him by quite a bit.
That’s paying him to be close to an All-Star caliber player for the next 10 years, right? And a smart front office can get that talent without having to pay market price for those wins, too.
He doesn’t have to go all Griffey to make it an over-the-top contract. But, they’re the Yankees, so it doesn’t really matter.
yea at the end of the day
say they overpaid by 50 mil…in the long run that really isnt that big of a thing to the yankees lol
oh for that kind of ownership :(
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
They overpaid
but will get a lot of money back when it comes time to him breaking the HR record. A-Rod’s going to be popular again then
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
The thing is
The difference for most players between their age 20 and, say, age 25 seasons-is power. Does Elvis really have any projectable power?
Disclaimer: Please don’t tar or feather me, I do acknowledge Tiny E as the king.
If he just stays this same player for the next decade it will still be awesome.
Power or not, I’ll bet he doesn’t merely stay that good.
Nail on head
Even if he never got better we’d have a pretty nice player, but we can be pretty sure he’ll have some better seasons over the next few years.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Yes, I absolutely think there is power in his bat
how much more, Im not sure, but Id be willing to bet that he gets 18-20 HRs at least a couple times in his career if he plays a long time
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
ted williams and arods
20 year old seasons are damn near identical
adam, do you believe alomars a 1st ballot guy? or do you just think the voters wont put him in the 1st time?
yes
i was just tryin to find seasons close to arods statistically, both had 160 ops+
by studcrackers on Nov 22, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Of course if he did he could hire a whole slew of blackwater guys
to follow him around everywhere…
...
i do not know what this “blackwater” you speak of is…
maybe you meant these guys?
i
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Nov 22, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Bobby Doerr IS in the HOF
not sure how you missed that tidbit
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Rangers have interest in B.J. Upton
Not sure if this has been posted yet but
According to an industry source, the Rangers and White Sox have shown interest in CF B.J. Upton
Boy do I love this time of year
since no one has any idea what JD has in mind, the names’ll start flying!
Go Rice Owls!
Rays need to adress Bullpen, catcher
Finally, a team interested in Taylor Teagarden!
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"...he wasn’t a good hitter, just a good middle of the order bat that hit a lot of homers." - NYTXFAN on Mark McGwire
by lonestarJon on Nov 23, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
as a bullpen catcher?
I could see it…
"He will not coddle them. Nolan Ryan doesn’t coddle." - Jeff Passan
by Dirk Diggler on Nov 23, 2009 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
Mike Lowell?
DH, backup corner infielder?
The Red Sox are shopping third baseman Mike Lowell and are willing to eat half of his $12MM salary for next season, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. However, a rival executive says that he would be surprised if another club would even be willing to pay Lowell $6MM.
Only if they eat about 10 million of his contract
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Ricky Williams 100+ doobies with 100 dreadlocks in 21 minutes
HOF career right there.
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