Friday morning Rangers things
by Adam J. Morris on Nov 27, 2009 9:16 AM CST
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Not really anything in the way of news out there. I guess that, if your team can't spend any money or make any moves because the ownership situation hasn't been resolved, there's not a lot of news that is going to be generated.
BBTiA has a very salient question about this:
Texas Rangers team president Nolan Ryan reassuring a rightly skeptical audience during the ballclub's season-ending press conference on Tuesday, October 6th: "I feel our budget will be close to, if not the same as, what it was last year [$68 million]."
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Since Ryan's payroll-related declaration nearly two months ago, assorted media sources have cast bits and pieces of revelatory light on the actual seriousness of the Rangers' financial situation, and now, most recently, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News has characterized Texas as a franchise with "no money to do anything."* * *
If these chilling reports are indeed accurate and the Rangers seriously cannot afford to even marginally upgrade their payroll, then there's a very simple question to be asked: what on earth transpired in the last two months that warranted snatching $10-plus million out of management's hands and effectively crippling the ballclub's limited, but still-existing market maneuverability?
But according to Tom Hicks, it is "business as usual" at TBIA.
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Hey Tom Hicks
Get on with it, man. Come on. Get this shit….
!!!!!!
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Nov 27, 2009 9:39 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
wow....
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by GhostofSteveFoucault on Nov 27, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is that a GNR shirt she's wearing?
or Motley Crue…
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Nov 27, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
X
Good help doesn't come cheap.
- Gil LeBreton
by BigGuns on Nov 27, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
where'd you get that?
new desktop for me…thanks.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 27, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL that's a good idea...google images
Good help doesn't come cheap.
- Gil LeBreton
by BigGuns on Nov 27, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We may be broke and not have any money to sign anybody
but it’s still pretty early in the offseason and few teams have signed anyone yet, so it might be a little early to get a good grumble on about this.
by swampdonkey on Nov 27, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tom Hicks will not ruin my off-season...
I’m over him.
If Byrd leaves, what about Coco Crisp?
And what about signing Ron Mahay again? He’s 39. Perhaps a cheap leftie?
by 3Bagger on Nov 27, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You may be over hicks
But Hicks is not done screwing you, a humble Rangers fan.
by Black Francis on Nov 27, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saw this, thought of you
LINK – kinda reminds me of that big abandoned building on the south side of Sherman.
by shroomer on Nov 27, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Nov 27, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I don’t really do that kind of photography that much anymore. If you like that, you should check out a site called ‘desolate metropolis’. That guy is very good.
by Black Francis on Nov 27, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I viewed some of your site
And like the visual perspective of your photography. It’s like “It’s there …. you can see why”.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Nov 27, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Read the Murray Chass article
As Adam pointed out, that pretty much explains everything. I don’t know that Chass is as well connected as he was when he was with the Times, but I have a feeling that his anonymous source in the article is Nolan Ryan. Chass has probably known Ryan for a long time (dating to Ryan’s New York days), and who else in Rangers’ management is going to feel comfortable talking to Chass?
In which case, the numbers are spot on and there is no money until the team is sold.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
by 3744nsheffield on Nov 27, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think
it’s simply that they aren’t going to make any contractual commitments until the sale is complete. It’s not that the “lost the $10MM” it’s that when you’re selling a book of business you don’t change the book once all the parties have put in their bid.
by bdavison94 on Nov 27, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or
maybe Hicks just doesn’t want to spend any money now that he knows he won’t keep the team. No reason to spend his own cash on signing bonuses and everything when he can let someone else do it a couple of weeks from now.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course it's business as usual
Tom Hicks is still deep-dicking Rangers fans. Nothing’s changed.
by ElMerkoMuffley on Nov 27, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
@SI_JonHeyman jermaine dye may be decent alternative to miltie or vladdy as righty bat for #rangers. hearing he’d like to go "west.’’
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 27, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not bad...
now if the Rangers can just convince him to play for free.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 27, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and convince him Arlington, Tx is in the western US.
by Panorama on Nov 27, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just cause we happen to be like directly in line with the center of the US
and just because we happen to be in the Central time zone does not mean we’re not part of the western community.
I'm just goofin' new boot goofin'
by iorange555 on Nov 27, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as someone who lives in Cali
I can assure you, Texas is most definitely NOT the West Coast
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 27, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+no shit
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by lonestarJon on Nov 27, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
it’s west of New York and Boston
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 27, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Chicago
And Atlanta.
And most of the teams’ cities in MLB
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Nov 27, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bleah.
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by lonestarJon on Nov 27, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fotf could just exchange his salary for part ownership of the team ala mario lemuix and the penguins...
Nobody is perfect, i am nobody, therefore, i am perfect
by 34express on Nov 27, 2009 12:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately the Rangers are worth more than the 30 mil
Mario Lemieux was trying to recover
by UNTJosh on Nov 27, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Elvis 0-4
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 27, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
so what's the earliest we could expect ownership to be resolved?
and what’s the earliest, once it is resolved, the new ownership can open up the check accounts again?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Nov 27, 2009 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very end of December?
Probably around draft time.
"I was going to say, 'You’re gay for Elvis.' But then I realized that I, too, am gay for Elvis." ~Adam J. Morris.
by Kinslerhomer on Nov 27, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BREAKING NEWS>>> Tiger Woods seriously injured in car accident
Good help doesn't come cheap.
- Gil LeBreton
by BigGuns on Nov 27, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
was just about to post that...
one car accident outside his home\
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 27, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
charges are pending....it was only him they say so far
Good help doesn't come cheap.
- Gil LeBreton
by BigGuns on Nov 27, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was backing out of his driveway at 2:25 am.....hmm
whatever the deal is I hope he’s alright.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 27, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fox News is the only station i've seen with coverage..
anyone else have it?
by tyd3311 on Nov 27, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That link is for local news in Orlando.
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 27, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shades of Ben Hogan
I’ve heard no details yet – have to wonder how you can be hurt hitting a hydrant and tree coming out of your dirveway. Hope he isn’t too messed up.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912) also -
"Telephone, n. An invention of the devil which abrogates some of the advantages of making a disagreeable person keep his distance."
~Ambrose Bierce
by Ed Coffin on Nov 27, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been released, just has some facial lacerations.
Man I love playing gossip queen, where’s futurepants?
"Sometimes you just want to sit back and watch somebody throw 100." - Jeff Passan on Neftali Feliz
by Ryin A on Nov 27, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If things were as dire as the media says
I would expect to hear rumors of the Rangers trying to trade some of their more expensive players or those about to get big raises in arbitration, a la the Marlins. I think the truth is somewhere between no cash at all and $10M to spend.
This market looks to be shaping up a bit like last year, in that some bargains may be available late in the offseason. The top players are going to be either overpaid, or very disappointed as the market drags on and their price comes down. There is simply zero reason to hurry. The Rangers will not make any big contract news this winter, and I suspect they are far more hamstrung than usual in money terms, but signing people is far from the only option and may not even be the best one.
Yeah, I’m pissed, but this is not necessarily a disaster or reason to panic. If the Rangers were flush with cash I’d probably be nervous they’d overspend on someone who’s not really worth it. Looking at the long term, with all the talent on hand, it may not be such a bad thing not to make any large contract commitements right now.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
by t ball on Nov 27, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
that the only players the Rangers could resonably trade for salary relief are too valuable for what they cost. You would have to look at Kinsler and Cruz mostly, and even Cruz is likely to be cheap for another year.
Young is probably not movable without taking money back or giving up a mid tier prospect in the deal. You could probably move Millwood but would likely get something back for him worth less than he is to the team. We really have very little dead payroll to shed.
And as you pointed out we haven’t even seen the market setters seriously talked about in negotations yet. Holliday and Lackey have yet to have any serious rumors about them. Until one or both of them sign I bet it will be rather boring, barring a Halladay trade/contract which would set the pitching market.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 27, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So are things with Young's contract as we see them also how they're viewed
across the baseball world? Considering that most of us think that contract is untradeable…are there teams out there that see his production and would want to add him to their roster and think the cost isn’t prohibitive? Or is it a slam dunk that even if we were willing to trade him, that there would be absolutely no way we’d find somebody willing to take on that full contract?
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Nov 27, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only way Young is likely tradeable is if the Rangers absorb some of his salary and/or agree to
take back another team’s bad paper.
by swampdonkey on Nov 27, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Young's contract was ever going to be tradeable
This is the time for it. He’s coming off a great year offensively and has shown that he can “play” 3B, SS, or 2B as a starter. I wouldn’t expect a great return if we traded him now, but you could probably trade him for an established player who is at least in his arbitration years without having to eat any of the contract.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
"I am one of the biggest Texas Ranger fans out there but I'm also one of the smartest. Deal with it."
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Nov 27, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is the time for it, if we were going to do it
I just don’t think we likely find a team to take it all. There was one thing out of whack last year for Young and that was his HR rate. It does look like he was trying to lift the ball more last year, but I just wonder if you have someone trade for him thinking 900 OPS as opposed to low 800 OPS. I guess the test case to see if Young’s salary is still high is going to be what does Beltre get. Beltre is a better glove but right now a slightly weaker bat, if he gets 12 million then the deal likely is movable, if not then it probably isn’t.
I don’t think the team is likely to trade him anyway without a ready replacement.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 27, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Beltre will get 12 million?
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Nov 27, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
but I’m just saying that Beltre is probably in the same value range as Young should be now. Of course I could be wrong with that idea, but it seems like a pretty good comp based on over all value.
I’d probably bet that Beltre gets more around 8 a year this time.
What do voluntary mean?
by JKolar on Nov 28, 2009 5:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100% with this post
There is no reason too hurry and rush into this market. Whatever the Rangers issues are now, there is no guarantee that they won’t improve in the next couple of months.
Besides, this is just what happens when teams are being sold. I’d rather it be happening at the beginning of the offseason unlike the Cubs and Padres which seemed to really take over the club at the beginning of the season.
Go Rice Owls!
by JBImaknee on Nov 27, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'Bama sucks...
they got lucky and pulled it out against Auburn today. TCU would beat them by 3 TD’s.
I’ll be cheering hard for Pitt and Nebraska next week. I want BCS turmoil.
And fuck Nick Saban. That is all.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 27, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I honestly think any team is beatable
I wish TCU, Cincy or Boise could represent in the title game. or that the polls had a split national champ declared when it’s all said and done. but I doubt that happens.
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Nov 27, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree F Nick Saban.
Florida better beat them. And if Texas gets lucky you will just see a repeat of last year.
I still believe!
by Ranger121032 on Nov 27, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
another MWC team that should have been playing for the NC get screwed.
And since ESPN has the BCS for the next 4 years not a damn thing is gonna change.
So fuck ESPN too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 27, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BCS
Which MWC team should be playing for the national championship over Florida, Alabama or Texas?
by Darrell McKown on Nov 27, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TCU is better than Alabama, for sure.
They’re probably neck and neck with the other two, from my view.
"Nothing we do here has a point" - Czar Morris
by Chase Irwin on Nov 27, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's funny
for some odd reason, I think Texas beats Florida but not Alabama….
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Nov 28, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TCU can beat anybody ahead of them
But I really want to see Texas vs. Florida, for selfish reasons.
Jimmy Johnson for GM.
by txhc on Nov 27, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, is there a date set as to when the new orwner will be determined?
I understand they have to do all the legal shit… i’m just asking if anyone’s heard a prospective date
by oc on Nov 27, 2009 6:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would like to know...
if anyone has an answer to this question as well.
Does anyone know any kind of time frame at all?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Nov 27, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If someone gives you a time frame
I’d add at least two months to it.
by Black Francis on Nov 27, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming everyone got their play-off ticket refunds since it's almost December....
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/10/15/texas-rangers-withholding-playoff-ticket-refunds-until-november/
So that's how Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories a day!
by BigGuns on Nov 27, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oh shit Evan says the refunds haven't been issued yet...
“The longer this drags on, the more the rumors are going to pile on. Already, I’ve heard from three different parties who purchased playoff tickets and as of the start of this week they didn’t have refunds. In another market, there would simply be frustration. But when you are dealing with a club that has taken a loan from Major League Baseball, is up for sale and is in default on a $525 million loan, frustration is turning to anger. The public perception only seems to be growing worse by the day. "
Lets see last year Hicks pisses off season ticket holders by throwing some of them out of their seats that they have had for years patiently waiting for the promised moment. This year he pisses off even more holding onto refunds wayyy longer than he should have. I hope they get them back before the ship goes down.
So that's how Michael Phelps can eat 10,000 calories a day!
by BigGuns on Nov 27, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hicks
Exactly which free agent have the Rangers not signed, or trade have they not completed, in the past 12-18 due to Tom Hicks?
Juan Cruz?
by Darrell McKown on Nov 27, 2009 10:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Abreu
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Nov 28, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that was more due to our decision to retain the services of one Hank F. Blalock
I failed my LSB ethics test.
"It's kind of a new stat that's in vogue" - Joe Buck on OPS
by lonestarJon on Nov 28, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
but I’ve got to blame somebody, and I don’t want it to be J.D. – I’ll blame myself and Tom Hicks for that call
"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"
by Walter Sobchak on Nov 29, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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